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Post by SweetieBugs on Jun 26, 2023 22:01:57 GMT
The situation is:
--self driving (no ride share like Uber/Lyft available) --only staying at restaurant for about 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 hours --some will be driving just themselves and others one to three coworkers --no clients present, only staff
If there is only time to stay for 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 hours, is that enough time to have a drink or two and be safe to drive??
I am not a drinker so I don't have to contemplate this question in my normal life, however, there will be a work dinner coming up where I'm certain there will be people that have 1, 2 or even 3 drinks. I'm certainly going to drive myself, but think it is a risk for my company. Maybe I'm being too sensitive but the few coworkers I've briefly mentioned this to act like it's no big deal.
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Jun 26, 2023 22:03:53 GMT
Since it is a short dinner, I wouldn't be surprised if a few folks had one drink.
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Post by peaname on Jun 26, 2023 22:06:51 GMT
Who is paying? I would expect there to be some drinking because that’s what I’ve seen at work events especially if the company is paying.
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Post by Zee on Jun 26, 2023 22:07:49 GMT
I think most might have a glass of wine or a beer or cocktail. I wouldn't expect people driving themselves to have more than that, but maybe they have someone driving them?
Is there a reason you're concerned about company liability over a dinner?
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Post by littlemama on Jun 26, 2023 22:09:25 GMT
I would think there will be some drinking. A company I used to work for would cover 2 drinks and anything else was up to the individual (this was a work Christmas party, so more like 4-5 hours long. I wouldnt bat an eye at someone having one drink in the amount of time you stated.
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Post by ~summer~ on Jun 26, 2023 22:16:06 GMT
Yes I would expect drinking. One drink for myself would be fine.
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Post by deekaye on Jun 26, 2023 22:16:23 GMT
I would assume that some would order a drink. We have a policy that alcohol is not allowed to be included in an expense account (during a work dinner, if an employee is out of town for a business trip, etc.). I have been to work functions where dinner is paid for by our workplace but the employees will order drinks and pay for them separately.
I'm not much of a drinker so would probably never order a drink but I don't see it as a huge deal.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 26, 2023 22:17:17 GMT
We recently had a work event and they provided transportation so that anyone who wanted could have a drink. But honestly I don't think I really saw anyone have more than 1 maybe 2 and we were there (at my bosses house) for about 3 hours and had a meal.
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Post by deekaye on Jun 26, 2023 22:17:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 22:22:24 GMT
I would be comfortable having 2 drinks in that timeframe WITH dinner. If the company is concerned with liability, they should be asking their employees to drink and drive responsibly for this event or make plans for a ride home if they need one. My co-workers are a mix of drinkers and non-drinkers and we made plans for non-drinkers to be the sober driver for those of us that live around each other a couple of times (golf events or client outings). In reality, we mostly nixed our department after-hours drinking events as a number of us drive company cars, and it was a bigger liability concern. That was totally fine with me and I understand it, even though I'm a social drinker.
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Post by hopechest on Jun 26, 2023 22:23:51 GMT
I would assume some if not most will have at least 1 drink. However, I would also assume some will have none. Myself (I don't drink too much) would have one, nurse it, and probably not even finish it.
I'm curious though why you're worried about the liability of the company. Are you worried about a particular co-worker with a drinking problem?
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Post by littlemama on Jun 26, 2023 22:25:04 GMT
Also, unless you own the company or are their corporate coumsel, you dont need to be worried about what the company allows
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Post by librarylady on Jun 26, 2023 22:29:56 GMT
An infamous lawsuit in Texas = company party, someone got drunk, had car wreck on way home and someone was killed. The company was held responsible. After that, most companies quit offering alcohol at parties.
In your example--I MIGHT have a glass of wine with my meal. It would depend upon the menu.
Back when I was working and the company had some lengthy social hours and then the dinner---my rule for myself was 1 wine or alcoholic drink, then one 1 beverage with no alcohol, repeat as needed. I never wanted to have too much at a company function or be in a mess to drive home.
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Post by SweetieBugs on Jun 26, 2023 22:34:47 GMT
The company will be paying the full bill and it will really be up to each employee how much they want to order/drink. I just thought with the short time period (verses a party that may last 3 hours), maybe more than 1 drink would be a bit too much. I guess I'm approaching this as someone that doesn't have much tolerance for alcohol and very much against drunk driving.
littlemama, I am an executive and do have a vested interest in understanding / identifying the liability involved.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 26, 2023 22:42:20 GMT
An infamous lawsuit in Texas = company party, someone got drunk, had car wreck on way home and someone was killed. The company was held responsible. After that, most companies quit offering alcohol at parties. In your example--I MIGHT have a glass of wine with my meal. It would depend upon the menu. Back when I was working and the company had some lengthy social hours and then the dinner---my rule for myself was 1 wine or alcoholic drink, then one 1 beverage with no alcohol, repeat as needed. I never wanted to have too much at a company function or be in a mess to drive home. Not sure about "most" companies. Every company I've ever worked for, or my husband for that matter, offered alcohol at parties. Maybe in Texas it's usual. At a work dinner, I would expect many to order a glass of wine or beer.
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Post by snyder on Jun 26, 2023 23:07:27 GMT
I would be leery to have alcohol at any company function. Sister's work had company pic-nic, they paid for the alcohol. Employee drove home, accidnet, killed and lawsuit. With that, I always wondered how companies can do that knowing its a big risk for a lawsuit.
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Post by Lexica on Jun 26, 2023 23:10:40 GMT
Would it be considered weird to put a one drink limit on the dinner?
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Post by ~summer~ on Jun 26, 2023 23:12:09 GMT
An infamous lawsuit in Texas = company party, someone got drunk, had car wreck on way home and someone was killed. The company was held responsible. After that, most companies quit offering alcohol at parties. In your example--I MIGHT have a glass of wine with my meal. It would depend upon the menu. Back when I was working and the company had some lengthy social hours and then the dinner---my rule for myself was 1 wine or alcoholic drink, then one 1 beverage with no alcohol, repeat as needed. I never wanted to have too much at a company function or be in a mess to drive home. can you post a link for this case?
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Post by tampascrapper on Jun 26, 2023 23:15:53 GMT
An infamous lawsuit in Texas = company party, someone got drunk, had car wreck on way home and someone was killed. The company was held responsible. After that, most companies quit offering alcohol at parties. After that lawsuit I thought more companies would stop offering alcohol or allowing employees to order alcohol at a company dinner. Still seems to be the norm that people drink though.
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Post by SweetieBugs on Jun 26, 2023 23:18:56 GMT
Yes, the last few years I was in public accounting in the mid 1990's, our firm and several others that I know of, were transition to no alcohol dinners/parties policies. Drinking was rampant at my company for years before this and I heard many stories of people parking their cars in their lawn or worse after coming home from a client dinner or employee dinner.
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Post by scrapngranny on Jun 26, 2023 23:23:38 GMT
You have no control over what other people do. Since you don’t drink, you know you’re covered. The best you can do is offer a ride home if someone has had too much th drink. If they say no, you’ve done the best you could.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 26, 2023 23:43:15 GMT
Yes, the last few years I was in public accounting in the mid 1990's, our firm and several others that I know of, were transition to no alcohol dinners/parties policies. Drinking was rampant at my company for years before this and I heard many stories of people parking their cars in their lawn or worse after coming home from a client dinner or employee dinner. I worked at a bank for 8 years between the mid 80’s and early 90’s where they always had an open bar for at least a couple hours during their award night banquets and after that it would be a cash bar. Some people would just get trashed. At some point that all suddenly changed and they started giving everyone two drink tickets each for those events. I never used mine, I would always just give them away to whoever wanted them. They’d always hold these events at some country club place on the far flung side of the metro area an hour or more away from where I lived. I didn’t even like to have to drive home in the dark from an unfamiliar place in the dead of night sober, much less after tipping a few especially in the days before GPS and cell phones. I always thought any drinking under those circumstances was a very bad idea.
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Post by cmpeter on Jun 27, 2023 0:00:25 GMT
I would expect some to have a drink or two and some would abstain.
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Post by ameslou on Jun 27, 2023 0:32:53 GMT
I would expect some to have a drink or two and some would abstain. This exactly.
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Post by lisae on Jun 27, 2023 12:13:44 GMT
I personally would not drink. It takes very little alcohol for me to be affected and why take the chance? Leave your drinking to times when you have a driver.
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Post by kitkath on Jun 27, 2023 12:29:05 GMT
I would have a glass of wine or possibly 2.
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Post by gramasue on Jun 27, 2023 12:37:42 GMT
I wouldn't have an alcoholic drink at a work function. I've seen too many of these situations go off the rails, especially when the company is paying.
I can always have a cocktail when I get home.
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Post by hop2 on Jun 27, 2023 12:38:11 GMT
Your question asks ‘would’ there be drinking as opposed to ‘should’ there be drinking. Your company needs to realize that they have to address wether they allow it or not because there are some who will if not told not to.
If your company doesn’t say no there will be drinking ( in my experience ) If your company pays for the drinks it definitely adds to their liability. If it is a required function and an employees only way to get there is carpool then you’ve increased your culpability there as well if the driver drinks.
Can ‘some’ people have 1 glass of wine safely with dinner - yes, depending on various factors: gender, height, weight, metabolism, timing, etc, but not all people can. And how do you tell the difference?
If it were my company I’d say there will not be drinking at this event.
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Post by smartypants71 on Jun 27, 2023 13:00:06 GMT
Would it be considered weird to put a one drink limit on the dinner? Every company I've ever worked for has always done the drink ticket route, where everyone gets two, so I don't think it would be weird to do one. Frankly, I don't know why anyone would drink more than that around co-workers anyway. My former company hosted a fancy holiday party every year. They provided us two drink tickets, but there was always a cash bar as well. There was always one person at every party who tanked their career by getting drunk and doing something stupid at the party.
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Post by scrappychick on Jun 27, 2023 16:45:51 GMT
I could easily have a couple drinks with dinner and be fine. You don’t list a state, but 3rd party liability falls on the bar/restaurant to stop serving dunk individuals where I live.
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