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Post by onelasttime on Sept 26, 2023 21:35:44 GMT
trump has so many problems with the law it’s hard to keep track of them. It seems NY was suing trump for being less than honest with the value of his properties. Today it appears a judge ruled as shown below and in the link. If trump does have to dissolve his businesses in NY. That is kind of a big deal Andrew Feinberg…. “NEW: If I am reading this right, Judge Engoron has found that Donald Trump committed fraud and has ordered the cancellation of all of his New York business certificates and the dissolution of the Trump Organization.” x.com/andrewfeinberg/status/1706767627723681850?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw |
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 26, 2023 21:39:40 GMT
Here is some more from AP…. link”NEW YORK (AP) — A judge ruled Tuesday that Donald Trump committed fraud for years while building the real estate empire that catapulted him to fame and the White House. Judge Arthur Engoron, ruling in a civil lawsuit brought by New York’s attorney general, found that the former president and his company deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing his assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork used in making deals and securing financing. Engoron ordered that some of Trump’s business licenses be rescinded as punishment, making it difficult or impossible for them to do business in New York, and said he would continue to have an independent monitor oversee the Trump Organization’s operations.A Trump spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the ruling. Trump has long insisted he did nothing wrong. The decision, days before the start of a non-jury trial in Attorney General Letitia James’ lawsuit, is the strongest repudiation yet of Trump’s carefully coiffed image as a wealthy and shrewd real estate mogul turned political powerhouse. Beyond mere bragging about his riches, Trump, his company and key executives repeatedly lied about them on his annual financial statements, reaping rewards such as favorable loan terms and lower insurance premiums, Engoron found. Those tactics crossed a line and violated the law, the judge said, rejecting Trump’s contention that a disclaimer on the financial statements absolved him of any wrongdoing. In defendants’ world: rent regulated apartments are worth the same as unregulated apartments; restricted land is worth the same as unrestricted land; restrictions can evaporate into thin air; a disclaimer by one party casting responsibility on another party exonerates the other party’s lies,” Engoron wrote in his 35-page ruling. “That is a is a fantasy world, not the real world.” Manhattan prosecutors had looked into bringing a criminal case over the same conduct but declined to do so, leaving James to sue Trump and seek penalties that could disrupt his and his family’s ability to do business in the state. Engoron’s ruling, in a phase of the case known as summary judgment, resolves the key claim in James’ lawsuit, but six others remain.” x.com/therecount/status/1706774740155724285?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2023 21:41:43 GMT
He issued partial summary judgment in parts, others will be heard.
Each lawyer will have to pay $7,500 'fine'
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Post by lucyg on Sept 26, 2023 21:41:55 GMT
Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving guy.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 26, 2023 21:47:01 GMT
www.nytimes.com/2023/09/26/nyregion/trump-james-fraud-trial.htmlThe New York attorney general won a major victory in her civil case against Donald J. Trump on Tuesday when a New York judge determined that the former president fraudulently inflated the value of his assets to obtain favorable loans and insurance deals.
The decision by Justice Arthur F. Engoron precedes a trial that is scheduled to begin Monday, and will considerably smooth Attorney General Letitia James’s path forward as she seeks a penalty of about $250 million.
Justice Engoron’s decision narrows the issues that will be heard, effectively deciding that the trial was not necessary to find that Mr. Trump was liable and that the core of Ms. James’s case was valid. It represents a major blow to Mr. Trump, whose lawyers had sought to persuade the judge to throw out many of the claims against the former president.
In his order, Justice Engoron wrote scathingly about Mr. Trump’s defenses, saying that the former president and the other defendants, including his two adult sons and his company, ignored reality when it suited their business needs. “In defendants’ world,” he wrote, “rent-regulated apartments are worth the same as unregulated apartments; restricted land is worth the same as unrestricted land; restrictions can evaporate into thin air.”
“That is a fantasy world, not the real world,” he added.
The judge also levied sanctions on Mr. Trump’s lawyers for making arguments that he previously rejected. He ordered each to pay $7,500, noting that he had previously warned them that the arguments in question bordered on being frivolous.
Repeating them was “indefensible,” Justice Engoron wrote.
Mr. Trump still has an opportunity to delay the trial, or even gut the case against him. Mr. Trump has already sued Justice Engoron, and an appeals court is expected to rule this week on his lawsuit. But if the appeals court rules against him, Mr. Trump will have to fight the remainder of the case at trial.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 26, 2023 22:05:23 GMT
he will just pack up the snake oil and set up shop in a new town.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Sept 26, 2023 22:36:25 GMT
Time to buy stock in Trump's favorite catsup brand.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 26, 2023 22:41:36 GMT
They are hammering his lying ass in NY.
And CNN/MSNBC can only talk right now about Menendez. Our news media is in a sorry state.
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Post by gramasue on Sept 26, 2023 23:32:37 GMT
When will all the Trump supporters realize that he is just one big fraud? This should make at least a small dent in his house of cards.
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Post by elaine on Sept 26, 2023 23:53:53 GMT
When will all the Trump supporters realize that he is just one big fraud? This should make at least a small dent in his house of cards. FAKE NEWS!!! Hillary’s emails!!! Biden has dementia!!! Benghazi! Hunter Biden’s laptop!!! (Ain’t nothing gonna shake their faith in his House of Cards) |
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 27, 2023 0:22:18 GMT
Fucked around and found out he did.
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Post by lisae on Sept 27, 2023 0:24:16 GMT
Wonder if he will use this as a new fundraising campaign since he will be so poor without income from his NY businesses.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 27, 2023 3:42:13 GMT
This is so true….
Lakota Man.
”Trump’s mistake was running for president. He could have lived out his life of fraud and corruption and epic venality in relative obscurity. And absolutely nobody would have given two shits about him or his life of white collar criminality.
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 27, 2023 4:00:18 GMT
Wonder if he will use this as a new fundraising campaign since he will be so poor without income from his NY businesses. Yep, and I know several peas who I believe will be writing those checks. 😂🤣😂 Fools. |
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Post by pilcas on Sept 27, 2023 8:06:37 GMT
Wonder if he will use this as a new fundraising campaign since he will be so poor without income from his NY businesses. You really need to be a fool to donate to a man who claims he is a successful millionaire! |
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 27, 2023 8:52:49 GMT
www.meidastouch.com/news/judge-rules-trump-liable-for-fraud-in-ny-ag-caseheathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-26-2023Engoron canceled the organization’s New York business licenses, arranged for an independent receiver to dissolve those businesses, and placed a retired judge into the position of independent monitor to oversee the Trump Organization. This decision will crush the heart of Trump’s businesses, and he issued a long statement attacking it, using all the usual words: “witch hunt,” “Communist,” “Political Lawfare” (ok, I don’t get that one), and “If they can do this to me, they can do this to YOU!” Law professor Jen Taub commented, “It reads better in the original ketchup.” Trump’s lawyers say they are considering an appeal. The rest of the case is due to go to trial early next month.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 27, 2023 10:57:46 GMT
www.meidastouch.com/news/judge-rules-trump-liable-for-fraud-in-ny-ag-caseheathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-26-2023Engoron canceled the organization’s New York business licenses, arranged for an independent receiver to dissolve those businesses, and placed a retired judge into the position of independent monitor to oversee the Trump Organization. This decision will crush the heart of Trump’s businesses, and he issued a long statement attacking it, using all the usual words: “witch hunt,” “Communist,” “Political Lawfare” (ok, I don’t get that one), and “If they can do this to me, they can do this to YOU!” Law professor Jen Taub commented, “It reads better in the original ketchup.” Trump’s lawyers say they are considering an appeal. The rest of the case is due to go to trial early next month. Um yes, if others are defrauding the public via their businesses then yes this can happen to them too. He’s lucky there are others in jail for business fraud. But the maggots won’t believe it they’ll triple down for their golden idol and fork over their last dollar to this fascist asshole who wants to destroy our country more than he already has. I mean he’s come right out and said the quiet parts out loud - penalize the press, penalize the democrats in the senate etc. most of his “platform” that he’s running on is straight up fascism and they are still with him with their heads up their asses heading full speed into a fascist dictatorship |
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Post by purplebee on Sept 27, 2023 11:12:07 GMT
This is so true…. Lakota Man. ”Trump’s mistake was running for president. He could have lived out his life of fraud and corruption and epic venality in relative obscurity. And absolutely nobody would have given two shits about him or his life of white collar criminality. And wouldn’t our nation now be a far better place to live if only that had happened. |
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Post by Merge on Sept 27, 2023 12:32:23 GMT
Wonder if he will use this as a new fundraising campaign since he will be so poor without income from his NY businesses. Never stop grifting! |
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 27, 2023 13:01:49 GMT
www.nytimes.com/2023/09/26/nyregion/trump-james-fraud-trial.htmlThe decision could terminate his control over a flagship commercial property at 40 Wall Street in Lower Manhattan and a family estate in Westchester County. Mr. Trump might also lose control over his other New York properties, including Trump Tower in Midtown Manhattan and his golf club in Westchester.
In his order, Justice Engoron wrote scathingly about Mr. Trump’s defenses, saying that the former president and the other defendants, including his two adult sons and his company, ignored reality when it suited their business needs. “In defendants’ world,” he wrote, “rent-regulated apartments are worth the same as unregulated apartments; restricted land is worth the same as unrestricted land; restrictions can evaporate into thin air.”
“That is a fantasy world, not the real world,” he added.
The judge also levied sanctions on Mr. Trump’s lawyers for making arguments that he had previously rejected. He ordered each to pay $7,500, noting that he had previously warned them that the arguments in question bordered on being frivolous.
Repeating them was “indefensible,” Justice Engoron wrote.
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Post by scrappinmama on Sept 27, 2023 14:29:57 GMT
When will all the Trump supporters realize that he is just one big fraud? This should make at least a small dent in his house of cards. FAKE NEWS!!! Hillary’s emails!!! Biden has dementia!!! Benghazi! Hunter Biden’s laptop!!! (Ain’t nothing gonna shake their faith in his House of Cards) I totally agree. People that are still Trump supporters after all of this are a lost cause. They are brainwashed. There is no convincing them. Just like a cult, you just have to hope that they come out of it on their own. I refuse to engage in political conversations with them. Editing to add, if you have someone in your life that you love and they happen to be a Trump supporter, I'm sorry. I don't want to sound so harsh. But I really do see similarities to Trump supporters and cult behavior. |
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Post by ntsf on Sept 27, 2023 14:47:36 GMT
reporters on msnbc last night pointed out that this is probably chapter 1 in a long book.. not good for trump though
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Post by Merge on Sept 27, 2023 14:54:28 GMT
FAKE NEWS!!! Hillary’s emails!!! Biden has dementia!!! Benghazi! Hunter Biden’s laptop!!! (Ain’t nothing gonna shake their faith in his House of Cards) I totally agree. People that are still Trump supporters after all of this are a lost cause. They are brainwashed. There is no convincing them. Just like a cult, you just have to hope that they come out of it on their own. I refuse to engage in political conversations with them. Editing to add, if you have someone in your life that you love and they happen to be a Trump supporter, I'm sorry. I don't want to sound so harsh. But I really do similarities to Trump supporters and cult behavior. It is to the point where we no longer spend time in rural parts of Texas (Hill Country specifically), or frankly even the suburbs if we can help it, because of the Trumpism and the fact that everyone is armed. I feel safer in our urban areas than I do out there. Sorry not sorry. They're all cray. |
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Post by hop2 on Sept 27, 2023 15:42:51 GMT
www.nytimes.com/2023/09/26/nyregion/trump-james-fraud-trial.htmlThe decision could terminate his control over a flagship commercial property at 40 Wall Street in Lower Manhattan and a family estate in Westchester County. Mr. Trump might also lose control over his other New York properties, including Trump Tower in Midtown Manhattan and his golf club in Westchester.
In his order, Justice Engoron wrote scathingly about Mr. Trump’s defenses, saying that the former president and the other defendants, including his two adult sons and his company, ignored reality when it suited their business needs. “In defendants’ world,” he wrote, “rent-regulated apartments are worth the same as unregulated apartments; restricted land is worth the same as unrestricted land; restrictions can evaporate into thin air.”
“That is a fantasy world, not the real world,” he added.
The judge also levied sanctions on Mr. Trump’s lawyers for making arguments that he had previously rejected. He ordered each to pay $7,500, noting that he had previously warned them that the arguments in question bordered on being frivolous.
Repeating them was “indefensible,” Justice Engoron wrote. To be clear, he has had restrictions ‘evaporate into thin air’ in the past. It might take time but he gets ‘his’ people to run for zoning boards, city councils, and attacks those who oppose him etc. He’s destroyed people who have opposed him. I wish all the shit he’s done to people thru his ‘fixers’ would be made public. I can not remember the NYC council member he publicly attacked google doesn’t help because it’s pages & pages of his crap since 2016. Maybe NY peas have better memories than I was it Ruth Messinger? I can see how he might think restrictions will eventually disappear. That’s what Cohen used to do, make things go Trumps way. As will this if he wins in 2024, it will disappear. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 27, 2023 15:46:14 GMT
When will all the Trump supporters realize that he is just one big fraud? This should make at least a small dent in his house of cards. They seem to like the fact that he hates the same people that they hate. Plus they watch Fox. That’s my theory; I have tried to figure out for years what anyone see in that blowhard. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 27, 2023 15:48:11 GMT
FAKE NEWS!!! Hillary’s emails!!! Biden has dementia!!! Benghazi! Hunter Biden’s laptop!!! (Ain’t nothing gonna shake their faith in his House of Cards) I totally agree. People that are still Trump supporters after all of this are a lost cause. They are brainwashed. There is no convincing them. Just like a cult, you just have to hope that they come out of it on their own. I refuse to engage in political conversations with them. Editing to add, if you have someone in your life that you love and they happen to be a Trump supporter, I'm sorry. I don't want to sound so harsh. But I really do similarities to Trump supporters and cult behavior. This. All of it. ☝🏻 |
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Post by dizzycheermom on Sept 27, 2023 16:48:38 GMT
FAKE NEWS!!! Hillary’s emails!!! Biden has dementia!!! Benghazi! Hunter Biden’s laptop!!! (Ain’t nothing gonna shake their faith in his House of Cards) I totally agree. People that are still Trump supporters after all of this are a lost cause. They are brainwashed. There is no convincing them. Just like a cult, you just have to hope that they come out of it on their own. I refuse to engage in political conversations with them. Editing to add, if you have someone in your life that you love and they happen to be a Trump supporter, I'm sorry. I don't want to sound so harsh. But I really do see similarities to Trump supporters and cult behavior. I do have family that are supporters...and I 100% agree with you. If you haven't talked with a Q Anon believer - it is way worse and way more scary than you think. |
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Post by Mel on Sept 27, 2023 17:31:11 GMT
If you haven't talked with a Q Anon believer - it is way worse and way more scary than you think. It's terrifying. I don't understand how people can whole heartedly believe this stuff. They would defend it (and him) to the death. |
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Post by casii on Sept 27, 2023 18:00:23 GMT
I will say my dad insists he's not MAGA even though in the past he had all the paraphenalia. Now he's about Desantis. He also calls Biden the Big Guy, whatever that means, and flips from saying he's got dementia in one sentence to calling him a criminal mastermind in the next. Dad is about the same age, so if I suggested he had dementia, that would not go over well.
Regardless, they live in a post truth world where they wholeheartedly attach themselves to whatever serves their confirmation bias. If they move on from Trump, they'll move on to the next fascist.
As for the Trump family, I love this journey for them. Also, no one with scruples will competently represent him in court any longer, so he's left with less than adequate lawyers that he runs through like he did his SA victims.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 27, 2023 19:42:11 GMT
Keep in mind Ivanka was severed from the fraud case. It is just TFG and his two eldest sons along with Weisselberg too..
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