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Post by hopemax on Oct 12, 2023 19:57:40 GMT
Peas are so normally on top of things, I'm surprised that people haven't mentioned yet the speculation that "rare pneumonia" is a euphemism for severe Covid because apparently she has expressed anti-vax sentiments.
This is hard for me, because gymnastics was my childhood sports activity and I was 7 years old during the 1984 Olympics. Although, at the time I was more about Tracee Talavera and Julianne McNamara. I believe there are consequences for one's actions, but death should try to be avoided as a consequence for human fallibility, and support universal healthcare. But I do not feel motivated to support a GoFundMe.
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Post by dewryce on Oct 12, 2023 20:12:45 GMT
Peas are so normally on top of things, I'm surprised that people haven't mentioned yet the speculation that "rare pneumonia" is a euphemism for severe Covid because apparently she has expressed anti-vax sentiments. This is hard for me, because gymnastics was my childhood sports activity and I was 7 years old during the 1984 Olympics. Although, at the time I was more about Tracee Talavera and Julianne McNamara. I believe there are consequences for one's actions, but death should tried to be avoided as a consequence for human fallibility, and support universal healthcare. But I do not feel motivated to support a GoFundMe. pantsonfire posted about it a couple of hours ago, but the talk had mainly turned to health insurance by then. I’m guessing if that’s the case we won’t find out for certain.
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Post by birukitty on Oct 12, 2023 20:21:32 GMT
I don’t know a single person who is happy with their health insurance anymore. all the PPO people i know are happy with their insurance. HMO, not as much. Not me. We've always had PPO's and I'm not happy nor have I been happy for a number of years.
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Post by birukitty on Oct 12, 2023 20:27:16 GMT
You know who is happy with their insurance? People on MediCare - universal health care for those over 65 - and effing congressmen and senators who get great coverage that they get to keep even when they leave office. I would bet that if members of Congress had to settle for the same insurance as the rest of us, things would get fixed. I agree with you 100%!
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Post by camanddanismom on Oct 12, 2023 20:32:32 GMT
Sorry to hear this. Hope she recovers! She was awesome to watch, an amazing athlete.
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Post by valincal on Oct 12, 2023 21:14:15 GMT
I just read that she is a life-long rabid Republican and has long supported politicians that consistently vote against affordable care. the article also said she downplayed the recent gym doctor sex scandal. Was just about to post the same info. And it seems it may be Covid related pneumonia. 😬 She was against any laws to protect young athletes from sexual abuse by coaches. And is super anti vax. 🙄 No wonder they wanted to “respect her privacy”.
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 12, 2023 22:46:27 GMT
I don’t know a single person who is happy with their health insurance anymore. all the PPO people i know are happy with their insurance. HMO, not as much. I don't know what you are talking about. I was very happy with my HMO. Until I needed health care . Now it would take solid evidence of good performance before I'd ever consider one again.
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 12, 2023 22:50:06 GMT
Peas are so normally on top of things, I'm surprised that people haven't mentioned yet the speculation that "rare pneumonia" is a euphemism for severe Covid because apparently she has expressed anti-vax sentiments. This is hard for me, because gymnastics was my childhood sports activity and I was 7 years old during the 1984 Olympics. Although, at the time I was more about Tracee Talavera and Julianne McNamara. I believe there are consequences for one's actions, but death should tried to be avoided as a consequence for human fallibility, and support universal healthcare. But I do not feel motivated to support a GoFundMe. I think that's fair. Part of the point of supporting universal health care for me is I don't think this should be (so to speak) a sport. But that's different than saying "and with the many, many deserving people out there, you should consider sending money to this particular person."
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Post by sideways on Oct 13, 2023 0:25:29 GMT
MLR completed at a time when Eastern Bloc athletes were not competing in the Olympics and she avoided competitions where she would compete against them. If she had competed against them, we’d all be saying “Mary Lou, who?” right now.
Her “greatness” is skewed. Put that with her political views, what she did during the Nasser situation, and the fact that she had enough power to make things better for gymnasts after her, but preferred to stay with the status quo because it was better for HER, I really DGAF about her. I don’t wish death on anyone, but I wouldn’t shed a tear either.
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Post by christine58 on Oct 13, 2023 0:44:03 GMT
I don’t know a single person who is happy with their health insurance anymore. Really? I am very happy with my health insurance. Granted I pay for it at $600 a month and that’s without prescription insurance. It’s Blue Cross Blue Shield. The school that I worked for did not offer paid health insurance upon retirement good or bad it is what it is. However, I have one more payment to make to them and then as of December 1 I am on Medicare because I turn 65 at the end of December. I went with a blue cross blue shield product. I am not someone who is in favor of universal healthcare. I’ve heard too many horror stories from friends who live in England and relatives that live in Canada. My cousin’s father-in-law had to wait almost 3 months for a a quadruple bypass surgery. It might’ve even been longer than that. He died waiting. There are pros and cons to every healthcare system honestly. I do wonder if it isn’t Covid related especially if she is as anti-VAX as some of you have said she is. That aside I hope she gets better.
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 13, 2023 20:45:05 GMT
I just read that Retton's net worth is estimated at 2-3 million. I do realize that is not a ton of money and could be tied up in property and other investments, not liquid. However she much is better off than a lot of people who have lost everything from medical debt.
Whether she has Covid or just pneumonia she is anti-vax and there are vaccinations for both of those illnesses. Also, for whatever reason she chose to go without medical insurance. Very bad decisions.
I wouldn't wish her illness on anyone and I hope she recovers. But I don't get why a bunch of suckers are all pitching in to pay her bills. Why??
There are tons of people out there who have made good choices and they are sinking under medical debt. Those are the ones who should benefit from a Go Fund Me.
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Post by katlady on Oct 13, 2023 21:09:58 GMT
pneumonia she is anti-vax and there are vaccinations for both of those illnesses I think that unless you have underlying conditions, most adults do not get the pneumonia shot until age 65.
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 13, 2023 21:15:30 GMT
pneumonia she is anti-vax and there are vaccinations for both of those illnesses I think that unless you have underlying conditions, most adults do not get the pneumonia shot until age 65. I think you are probably correct. Anti-vax is anti-vax so I doubt she would get it even as an older person. A Covid vax could have probably saved her from this.
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Post by tincin on Oct 14, 2023 0:47:37 GMT
I don’t know a single person who is happy with their health insurance anymore. I’m thrilled with mine. I had a quadruple bypass with 12 days in the hospital and I think my total cost was a few hundred dollars. I spent a couple of days in ICU during that time. My prescriptions are typically a $5 copay for a three month supply. That being said I am 100% for a universal health insurance. My insurance should not be dependent on who I work for. I’m with Blue Cross Medicare Plus.
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Post by tincin on Oct 14, 2023 0:51:19 GMT
pneumonia she is anti-vax and there are vaccinations for both of those illnesses I think that unless you have underlying conditions, most adults do not get the pneumonia shot until age 65. Actually we do get shots before 65. My doctor had me start getting them around 60.
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Post by nightnurse on Oct 14, 2023 1:13:39 GMT
When I worked at nursing homes, I was always surprised by my loud and proud republican patients who made sure I knew they didn’t believe in government handouts or universal healthcare but also were SHOCKED that their long term care stay wasn’t covered. What?! How could they be expected to pay for a nursing home?
Ah, dude, that’s what you voted for. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and all that.
I will not be contributing to a go fund me, I will spare what republicans usually offer in times like these, some thoughts and prayers
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Post by littlemama on Oct 14, 2023 1:18:32 GMT
pneumonia she is anti-vax and there are vaccinations for both of those illnesses I think that unless you have underlying conditions, most adults do not get the pneumonia shot until age 65. The "pneumonia" shot is for Pneumococcal Pneumonia specifically. It has nothing to do with any other pneumonia.
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Post by christine58 on Oct 14, 2023 1:19:27 GMT
pneumonia she is anti-vax and there are vaccinations for both of those illnesses I think that unless you have underlying conditions, most adults do not get the pneumonia shot until age 65. I got a pneumonia shot at least 10 years ago and I don’t turn 65 until the end of December. Now apparently that’s changed as far as the one I got 10 years ago.. I actually think the first pneumonia shot I got was at least 20 years ago because I was having chronic sinus infections and bronchitis etc. and the allergist I was saying, suggested I get it. So I did and then I got another one 10 years later. So I think some of the rules have changed
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Post by AussieMeg on Oct 14, 2023 4:53:14 GMT
This is just awful and far from unusual I'm sure. How anyone can be against universal health care is beyond me... I experienced universal healthcare first hand in Scotland about 6 years ago. My appendix ruptured and I had emergency surgery and was in the hospital for a week. My final bill - $5,000. It was great care and they took better care of me than I would have had in the states. I practically had to beg them to release me. Every system has its pluses and minuses but I can say that my care was top-notch. Yikes! I think you may have posted this meaning that $5000 is cheap, but wow, that is expensive! My SIL had emergency surgery just last month for a ruptured / perforated / gangrenous gall bladder, and her out of pocket expenses were $0. I assume you had to pay that because you were not a UK citizen? I hope your settlement is good and gets you out of debt. It makes me sad/furious that people are going bankrupt due to medical bills.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 14, 2023 5:24:16 GMT
It is too bad she is where she is, but it is her own doing, if in fact it is a result of her choices, re: vaccines. Notice she seems to be getting the best of care without having to pay to be admitted. As a person of means, she and/or her estate, worse case scenario, should be able to pay the bills later. We all do not always have that cushion.
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Post by casii on Oct 14, 2023 12:08:23 GMT
Related to the topic, the Biden admin is working to ban medical debt from credit scores which would be a relief to the millions of Americans with sky high medical bills. Biden Admin to ban medical debt from credit scoresAlso, about 65% of bankruptcies are due to medical debt and that should shame us all as Americans. USA Today article on medical debt & bankruptciesAssuming MLR is anti-vax, actions have consequences. I hope she recovers and also has a change of heart along with those who follow her.
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 14, 2023 21:40:14 GMT
Was just about to post the same info. And it seems it may be Covid related pneumonia. 😬 She was against any laws to protect young athletes from sexual abuse by coaches. And is super anti vax. 🙄 No wonder they wanted to “respect her privacy”. I'm in the camp of you want to beg people to pay for the treatment of Covid, you better be up front and honest about what type of pneumonia you have and why. That is why I posted what I did.
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 14, 2023 21:40:33 GMT
And the moment you share info and ask for money, it is no longer private.
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Post by Zee on Oct 14, 2023 22:54:31 GMT
I don't know anything about what kind of pneumonia she has, but all this speculation about it being Covid pneumonia and the not so vague insinuations that she could have avoided it with a vaccine are pretty heartless.
I'm not contributing money either, but if I was going to I wouldn't decide not to just based on an ASSUMPTION that she got Covid pna because she's unvaccinated and therefore oh well.
Just so you all know, "rare pneumonia" does not at all mean Covid pna in the medical world. It might have been used that way by the media, but "rare pna" to a medical professional would be caused by a germ rarely found in human lungs, such as psittacosis (usually from birds such as pet parrots, or pigeons) or fungus.
Covid pna is typically called just that, and certainly is not "rare" in the broad sense of the word. So again, this is all just speculation and feels kind of gross.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 14, 2023 23:10:15 GMT
I don't know anything about what kind of pneumonia she has, but all this speculation about it being Covid pneumonia and the not so vague insinuations that she could have avoided it with a vaccine are pretty heartless. I'm not contributing money either, but if I was going to I wouldn't decide not to just based on an ASSUMPTION that she got Covid pna because she's unvaccinated and therefore oh well. Just so you all know, "rare pneumonia" does not at all mean Covid pna in the medical world. It might have been used that way by the media, but "rare pna" to a medical professional would be caused by a germ rarely found in human lungs, such as psittacosis (usually from birds such as pet parrots, or pigeons) or fungus. Covid pna is typically called just that, and certainly is not "rare" in the broad sense of the word. So again, this is all just speculation and feels kind of gross. Oh, with VATS surgery just short of 10 years ago, I have fungus in my lungs! It, of course, was far better then the alternatives, but they have done nothing about it. I do get yearly CT lung scans.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 16, 2023 5:01:11 GMT
DD says she is doing better! CNN — Mary Lou Retton is making “remarkable” progress, according to her daughter McKenna Kelley’s Instagram on Saturday, after a “very rare form of pneumonia” had left the retired Olympic gold medal-winning gymnast “fighting for her life.” “Prayers have been felt and are being answered,” read the Instagram post. Retton remained in a hospital intensive care unit, Kelley stated, but the 55-year-old’s “path to recovery is steadily progressing.” www.cnn.com/2023/10/15/sport/mary-lou-retton-progress-spt-intl/index.html
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Post by cakediva on Oct 16, 2023 11:53:54 GMT
This is just awful and far from unusual I'm sure. How anyone can be against universal health care is beyond me... It actually is unusual - I completely feel for Tearisci - but that aspect is not well understood internationally. Most people do not experience this and are happy with their care/plan which is why universal care is so controversial here. Honestly the "if you like your plan you can keep it" from Obama that turned out to not be true, is more of a lightening rod for many is why it will be exceedingly difficult for further progress. There is a massive cohort of people who feel we moved backward - and I know there are many who benefited from other aspects of ACA, but this is a huge issue here. But here's the thing - great insurance/happy with your insurance - SO many still have an insurance payment that is more than my mortgage in a month. I can't imagine having to pay that on top of my mortgage.
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Post by dewryce on Oct 16, 2023 12:52:35 GMT
It actually is unusual - I completely feel for Tearisci - but that aspect is not well understood internationally. Most people do not experience this and are happy with their care/plan which is why universal care is so controversial here. Honestly the "if you like your plan you can keep it" from Obama that turned out to not be true, is more of a lightening rod for many is why it will be exceedingly difficult for further progress. There is a massive cohort of people who feel we moved backward - and I know there are many who benefited from other aspects of ACA, but this is a huge issue here. But here's the thing - great insurance/happy with your insurance - SO many still have an insurance payment that is more than my mortgage in a month. I can't imagine having to pay that on top of my mortgage. And that’s not including any payments for the actual doctors’ visits, prescriptions, imaging, etc.
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Post by iluvpink on Oct 16, 2023 13:13:20 GMT
Ok, I knew about her politics so wasn't rushing to donate to her by any means.
However I'm seeing a lot of things here and elsewhere online saying she is anti vaccine. So far I haven't seen anything verifying that, just rumors based on her political leanings. She MAY be anti vax, but not all Republicans are. I know many who are not.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 16, 2023 20:14:30 GMT
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