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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 24, 2024 21:17:25 GMT
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 24, 2024 21:18:36 GMT
The topic of arming teachers in schools comes up periodically after shootings take place.
Now, one school in Iowa is turning that talk into action and arming staff members, KTIV reported.
"About 18 months ago, we just started looking at options. And obviously, to take the step to have armed staff in our school is a big one. And it requires a lot of conversation with a lot of stakeholders," said Siouxland Christian School Supt. Lindsay Laurich.
It's a big step in school security.
"My ultimate responsibility here is to protect this building to make sure that everybody who comes in is safe here, and I simply couldn't live with myself if I knew there were options. There were things that were available to us... and we didn't take use of them," Laurich said.
Laurich said improving safety and security at Siouxland Christian School is paramount for the administration.
"We think about continuous improvement in terms of learning, in terms of you know, curriculum, in terms of our staff, safety goes into that bucket," Laurich said.
The administration at Siouxland Christian Schools said they did not take this step lightly. A lot of research, a lot of conversation and a lot of praying went into whether this decision was right for them.
"In a worst case situation, the action that's required is going to be incredibly challenging. But it has to be done to protect all of the other students and staff in the building," Laurich said.
Laurich said those who were selected volunteered to do so and were carefully vetted and trained.
While the school won't state how many staff are armed on campus or who they are, she said those individuals are prepared to step in should a life-threatening incident occur on school grounds.
"It's something we hope we never have to utilize, that it's just quietly in the background here at our school. It is, it is there in the worst of the worst possible scenarios. But if that ever does happen, then we're ready to respond, and we can do so in seconds," Laurich said.
It's worth pointing out that as a private school, Siouxland Christian has much broader leeway to implement a policy like this. For a public school to do so would require buy-in from elected leaders.
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Post by snyder on Jan 24, 2024 21:33:15 GMT
Wow, I'd want that for the safety of my kids.
We had a guy go to a local church here and shoot several people. He had already killed others prior at a church in the Denver area. After that incident, my mom's pastor and 2 other members of the church got their consealed permits so they could protect the congregation should a whacko enter their church and start firiging. I thought it was great idea.
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Post by iowgirl on Jan 24, 2024 21:44:32 GMT
Wow, I'd want that for the safety of my kids. Looking back to when my kids were in school, I'd have a hard time picking any teacher that I would feel the least bit comfortable carrying a gun in school. Any that I felt would be level-headed enough to do it, I know for a fact could probably not shoot a person if it came down to it. And the ones that were always hot to say they wanted to be armed in the school, where the absolute last person I would trust with a firearm. I have plenty of guns at my disposal. I do not carry. Hy husband does not carry. If someone came in my house, I doubt I could fire upon them, and even if I could - I would have to get to, and unlock two safes to get a gun and the ammo. Trust me - the guy that really REALLY wants to be armed to protect you, and talks about it a lot, is not the guy you want armed to protect you. The guy (and I am using guy in a gender neutral term) that you would never guess is armed and never talks about being armed, or guns in general, is the guy you want protecting you. |
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Post by snyder on Jan 24, 2024 21:53:45 GMT
Wow, I'd want that for the safety of my kids. Looking back to when my kids were in school, I'd have a hard time picking any teacher that I would feel the least bit comfortable carrying a gun in school. Any that I felt would be level-headed enough to do it, I know for a fact could probably not shoot a person if it came down to it. And the ones that were always hot to say they wanted to be armed in the school, where the absolute last person I would trust with a firearm. I have plenty of guns at my disposal. I do not carry. Hy husband does not carry. If someone came in my house, I doubt I could fire upon them, and even if I could - I would have to get to, and unlock two safes to get a gun and the ammo. Trust me - the guy that really REALLY wants to be armed to protect you, and talks about it a lot, is not the guy you want armed to protect you. The guy (and I am using guy in a gender neutral term) that you would never guess is armed and never talks about being armed, or guns in general, is the guy you want protecting you. They don't just pick anyone and they also go through training. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 24, 2024 22:09:23 GMT
Hell no is an armed teacher safe.
PD goes through lots of training and we all know how well that worked out in Texas.
I had a teacher 8th grade year who lost his shit at a student in math class and tossed a trashcan at the kid.
Could you imagine a teacher having access to a gun and instead shooting a kid?!
Fu-k no.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 24, 2024 22:09:52 GMT
Looking back to when my kids were in school, I'd have a hard time picking any teacher that I would feel the least bit comfortable carrying a gun in school. Any that I felt would be level-headed enough to do it, I know for a fact could probably not shoot a person if it came down to it. And the ones that were always hot to say they wanted to be armed in the school, where the absolute last person I would trust with a firearm. I have plenty of guns at my disposal. I do not carry. Hy husband does not carry. If someone came in my house, I doubt I could fire upon them, and even if I could - I would have to get to, and unlock two safes to get a gun and the ammo. Trust me - the guy that really REALLY wants to be armed to protect you, and talks about it a lot, is not the guy you want armed to protect you. The guy (and I am using guy in a gender neutral term) that you would never guess is armed and never talks about being armed, or guns in general, is the guy you want protecting you. They don't just pick anyone and they also go through training. The VOLUNTEERED. |
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 24, 2024 22:11:43 GMT
I would not feel comfortable having an armed person on a school campus. The potential for a shooting accident, a purposeful but unnecessary shooting, or for a student or other person to grab the gun and use it doesn't seem worth it to me in order to provide the security theater of having an armed person who isn't a professional public safety person on campus.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 24, 2024 22:24:33 GMT
Oh hell no. How exactly does that work? Where would the weapon be stored? Where would the ammunition be stored? I really don’t think I would be comfortable with a teacher carrying a loaded weapon on their person while they’re in a classroom with elementary kids, nor would I be okay with having a loaded weapon stored somewhere in the classroom. Kids are curious and get into everything. Training or no, I don’t think any average person (especially the ones with the proper temperament to teach young kids) would be able to take down someone in a stressful situation, especially if the shooter was also a kid.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 24, 2024 22:29:26 GMT
I grew up in Iowa and much of my family still live there. Last year or the year before the school board of district that my sister lives in voted to have armed staff but they ended up having to scrap the idea because their insurance company would have dropped them if they went through with it. The school board was really shady through the whole thing.
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Post by anaterra on Jan 24, 2024 22:31:44 GMT
I live in West Texas... we have SEVERAL small town schools that are "guardian schools"... meaning several people on staff are carrying a weapon...
I was outraged at 1st... but you know God and Guns.... we will offer you our thoughts and prayers around here....
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Post by littlemama on Jan 24, 2024 23:29:25 GMT
That is insane. Absolutely insane.
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Post by edie3 on Jan 24, 2024 23:48:03 GMT
I just can't see this ending well.
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Post by snyder on Jan 24, 2024 23:51:01 GMT
They don't just pick anyone and they also go through training. The VOLUNTEERED. Laurich said those who were selected volunteered to do so and were carefully vetted and trained. |
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Post by edie3 on Jan 24, 2024 23:56:44 GMT
were carefully vetted and trained. Like the Ulvade police force? |
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Post by Merge on Jan 25, 2024 0:20:37 GMT
Laurich said those who were selected volunteered to do so and were carefully vetted and trained. By whom? People who also think teachers carrying guns is a good idea? They’re as crazy as the people who volunteered in the first place. That’s a no from me. When - not if, but when - there is a completely preventable tragedy on one of these campuses, who will we blame? Stop making teachers responsible for stopping school shootings. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 25, 2024 0:22:10 GMT
were carefully vetted and trained. Like the Ulvade police force? Exactly. They were heavily armed and trained and had tactical gear, and were still afraid to engage the shooter with an AR-15. But Mrs. Brown who teaches social studies is going to take out someone with an AR just using her purse pistol. That makes sense. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 25, 2024 0:49:51 GMT
We went in lockdown yesterday. It was an accidental alarm, but no one knew that and the police were at our building and heading inside in under 5 minutes.
A student asked why staff didn't have guns (this is a very rural, conservative, pro gun area) and I told him most teachers don't want to have guns.
We did a survey a couple of years ago and the people who said they'd be willing to carry a gun were exactly the teacher I would NOT want to have a gun.
There isn't training available and the time constraints for training would just not be great
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Post by dewryce on Jan 25, 2024 0:50:02 GMT
Oh hell no. How exactly does that work? Where would the weapon be stored? Where would the ammunition be stored? I really don’t think I would be comfortable with a teacher carrying a loaded weapon on their person while they’re in a classroom with elementary kids, nor would I be okay with having a loaded weapon stored somewhere in the classroom. Kids are curious and get into everything. Training or no, I don’t think any average person (especially the ones with the proper temperament to teach young kids) would be able to take down someone in a stressful situation, especially if the shooter was also a kid. Elementary kids? What about the high schoolers who are large enough to attack the teacher and take the weapon? I think it’s naive to believe that an armed non-professional would not only be an accurate shot, but also that a teacher would be able to handle this when armed professionals, who spend their lives dealing with criminals, have not been able to. Incredibly naive. Training on a shooting range and having no interaction with potentially violent people is not the same, it’s just not. |
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jan 25, 2024 1:27:33 GMT
were carefully vetted and trained. Like the Ulvade police force? This times 1000. Armed teachers, volunteered, trained, vetted, whatever are not the answer to end school shootings. This is so insane I can't even begin to comprehend how anyone thinks this is a good idea. |
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 25, 2024 1:45:25 GMT
I've got mixed feelings about this.
I understand the need for protection. I've worked in schools since the 80's. I've been through the classes for learning how to protect yourself from an intruder. I had my own kids go through school after Columbine and saw them go through the drills.
At my current school, we do have an armed security officer. I have seen him deescalate situations without using his gun. I am glad he is at the front of the building.
Will an armed staff be a good thing? That remains to be seen.
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Post by snyder on Jan 25, 2024 2:45:56 GMT
were carefully vetted and trained. Like the Ulvade police force? Because the PD did not do what they needed to do, had a teacher or other staff memeber been armed, maybe there wouldn't have had so many deaths. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 25, 2024 2:49:50 GMT
Like the Ulvade police force? Because the PD did not do what they needed to do, had a teacher or other staff memeber been armed, maybe there wouldn't have had so many deaths. Again I ask - if the trained, armed, and shielded officers felt unsafe engaging the shooter with an AR-15, do you imagine Mrs. Brown and her purse pistol would even have made it through the door? |
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Post by snyder on Jan 25, 2024 2:49:55 GMT
Like the Ulvade police force? Exactly. They were heavily armed and trained and had tactical gear, and were still afraid to engage the shooter with an AR-15. But Mrs. Brown who teaches social studies is going to take out someone with an AR just using her purse pistol. That makes sense. Its not like you pick any random staff member. The ones that need to be armed, need to be vetted extensively and trained.
No it is not the answer, but if whackos even thought there were guns in the school to fight back, maybe some of them would stay away. Nothing is going to solve this problem. Taking gun rights away from people will not fix this, because no matter what, the whacko will get their hands on a gun one way or another.
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Post by pinklady on Jan 25, 2024 2:52:56 GMT
They don't just pick anyone and they also go through training. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 |
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Post by peano on Jan 25, 2024 3:00:29 GMT
Like the Ulvade police force? Because the PD did not do what they needed to do, had a teacher or other staff memeber been armed, maybe there wouldn't have had so many deaths. Maybe you should go back and read that sentence. I don't think you want to sound as insane as you do. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 25, 2024 3:16:08 GMT
Exactly. They were heavily armed and trained and had tactical gear, and were still afraid to engage the shooter with an AR-15. But Mrs. Brown who teaches social studies is going to take out someone with an AR just using her purse pistol. That makes sense. Its not like you pick any random staff member. The ones that need to be armed, need to be vetted extensively and trained.
No it is not the answer, but if whackos even thought there were guns in the school to fight back, maybe some of them would stay away. Nothing is going to solve this problem. Taking gun rights away from people will not fix this, because no matter what, the whacko will get their hands on a gun one way or another.
Would you like a list of the school shootings where there were already armed security staff on site? They seemed to be no deterrent to the shooters. Arming teachers is not only not the answer, but is guaranteed to create even more problems. I'm curious what you think about all our peer countries with better gun control where whackos don't actually get their hands on guns and shoot up schools on a regular basis. That line of argument falls very flat. |
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Post by dewryce on Jan 25, 2024 3:33:50 GMT
Exactly. They were heavily armed and trained and had tactical gear, and were still afraid to engage the shooter with an AR-15. But Mrs. Brown who teaches social studies is going to take out someone with an AR just using her purse pistol. That makes sense. It’s not like you pick any random staff member. The ones that need to be armed, need to be vetted extensively and trained.
No it is not the answer, but if whackos even thought there were guns in the school to fight back, maybe some of them would stay away. Nothing is going to solve this problem. Taking gun rights away from people will not fix this, because no matter what, the whacko will get their hands on a gun one way or another.
How is that different than the police officers? Besides being less vetted, less trained, and having less experience than the police officers? |
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Post by snyder on Jan 25, 2024 3:36:38 GMT
It’s not like you pick any random staff member. The ones that need to be armed, need to be vetted extensively and trained.
No it is not the answer, but if whackos even thought there were guns in the school to fight back, maybe some of them would stay away. Nothing is going to solve this problem. Taking gun rights away from people will not fix this, because no matter what, the whacko will get their hands on a gun one way or another.
How is that different than the police officers? Besides being less vetted, less trained, and having less experience than the police officers? Its not. Everyone in every role can screw up. So if you just have PD and they screw up, what's the alternative. Nothing, but tradegdy. Have an alternative and just maybe a life can be saved. |
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Post by librarylady on Jan 25, 2024 3:41:19 GMT
I think that is an idea that Greg Abbott (The governor of Texas) has pushed.
He (Abbott) convinced the state legislature to pass laws that no gun permits are needed. Everyone should be carrying a gun, no training, just load your gun and go....
(Did I mention that I loathe Greg Abbott?)
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