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Post by peaname on Jan 29, 2024 16:26:01 GMT
It’s heartbreaking to me that I am in this situation because I loathe being late. My high school senior can’t get himself to school on time and since I know nothing my tips for setting two alarms, going to bed early, etc fall on deaf ears. Unfortunately for him his teachers so far have excused his behavior because he’s a good student otherwise.
Is this something that can be taught or is it ingrained in your personality and just something those around you have to accept?
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Post by sueg on Jan 29, 2024 16:30:37 GMT
Is this a recent change in behaviour? I have been reading a lot lately in the news about increases in school refusal since Covid. Or is it possible he is depressed - that can make getting up and going in the morning very difficult.
Apart from that - yes, I do believe there are people who are always late, for a variety of reasons, and others who are always punctual, sometimes aggravatingly so.
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Post by Tearisci on Jan 29, 2024 16:36:28 GMT
It’s heartbreaking to me that I am in this situation because I loathe being late. My high school senior can’t get himself to school on time and since I know nothing my tips for setting two alarms, going to bed early, etc fall on deaf ears. Unfortunately for him his teachers so far have excused his behavior because he’s a good student otherwise. Is this something that can be taught or is it ingrained in your personality and just something those around you have to accept? It sounds like there isn't really a consequence for his lateness so maybe if and when there is, he might respond differently.
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Post by katlady on Jan 29, 2024 16:37:30 GMT
Yes, some times people are late because it is part of their personality. I’ve read that creative people tend to run late. A person could also be late due to stress, anxiety, over scheduling, ADHD, etc. Everyone’s brain works differently. As mentioned above, is this normal for him or something that just started happening recently? If it just started, I would look into seeing what is going on in his life to change his behavior.
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Post by gar on Jan 29, 2024 16:37:52 GMT
Is this just in his school life or is he late meeting friends, etc?
I believe some people are just habitually late - but as to whether it's something people around him have to accept, that depends. At some stage he might have a wake up call when someone doesn't accept it and he misses out on an appointment, an interview or a flight. It'll either change him or it won't I guess.
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Post by malibou on Jan 29, 2024 16:39:57 GMT
I was a straight A student who in my senior year of high school only made it to school on time 15 times. I didn't drive, nor was there a bus or a parent available. I walked, and clearly didn't leave on time. I can't for the life of me remember what was going on, but it wasn't over sleeping.
I too had it swept aside by my teachers because I was a really good student, whose grades were unaffected by my tardiness.
Up until that point I wasn't late for things, and I am always on time as an adult.
My guess is that as long as there are no consequences for his tardiness, it won't change. If I had been given detention, I bet I would have figured it out fast.
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Post by sideways on Jan 29, 2024 16:41:43 GMT
What time does his school day start? Is he just having trouble getting to school on time, or is he late to other things that start later in the day?
Teenagers are not wired to get up early. They just aren’t. I wouldn’t characterize this as being a personality trait necessarily. Teenagers are made to go to school too early in the day in most places, IMHO.
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Post by mom on Jan 29, 2024 16:42:00 GMT
You aren't alone. I tried everything with my oldest son when he was in high school and nothing worked and it always embarrassed the heck out of me because *I* am not a person that runs late.
Eventually we just stuck with natural consequences -- he knows what time to be there, he knows how long it takes to get ready. He can deal with any consequences that comes his way. The rest of us went about our day and went to where we needed to go, and DS got there when he got up and around. We weren't going to be late because DS wasnt ready.
Did it help him to have natural consequences? Yeah. But did it really change his behavior? Some. But it's just his natural way of doing things....time isn't as important to him as it is to me and so far, nothing has really changed that.
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Post by Merge on Jan 29, 2024 17:07:24 GMT
I had that kid (my oldest) and she served plenty of detention for her tardies. Consequences didn’t seem to help. She still struggles with getting to work on time at age almost 23, apparently, but seems able to do so when she has a meeting or something where her bosses would notice her lateness.
I don’t know what to tell you. She gets this from my husband and it drives me nuts in both cases as I am one of those aggravatingly punctual people.
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Post by iowgirl on Jan 29, 2024 17:13:19 GMT
My high school senior can’t get himself to school on time and since I know nothing my tips for setting two alarms, going to bed early, etc fall on deaf ears. Unfortunately for him his teachers so far have excused his behavior because he’s a good student otherwise. Oh, memories. My girls were always on time or early. My son - not so much. I had the hardest time getting him up and going. It was SO frustrating to me. I finally sat him down and talked to him. I said, I know you're tired and some of that is when you choose to go to sleep. His phone was a major part of that, but at the age he was - I wasn't going to take it away. He HAD to learn to take control of his choices. I told him I would no longer wake him up (unless he specifically asked me to) and the consequences of his lateness were on his own, and NO blame would drift my way. He could sleep through a firetruck blasting beside his bed, I swear. But one morning he didn't get up. I didn't wake him up. Finally the school called me and I said - just a second... I went in to his room, woke him and handed him the phone. He had to talk to the school secretary. He was so embarrassed (like I had been, maybe, about his lateness). That didn't change things 100% - but making HIM responsible for his actions was important. I knew he was college bound and no one was going to be getting him out of bed. When he planned his college schedule, I said - keep in mine how you can't pry your butt out of bed when making your schedule. He still had some episodes - but they were on him. He had to deal with the fallout. It changed his behavior. I am happy to say - he is a responsible adult who can get himself up and to work on time or early! I will also admit I contributed to his behavior. I spent way to long getting him up and getting him moving. Having everything ready for him so he could go fast once he got up. I stopped all that. I said you HAVE to be responsible for yourself, or your going to end up a failure and I am not going to be responsible for that. Lord! I do NOT miss those days. I feel for you!
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Post by femalebusiness on Jan 29, 2024 17:19:13 GMT
My mother was late to everything she ever attended. Sometimes it was because she wouldn't get out of bed on time and sometimes just because she was piddling around instead of getting dressed to go. I remember as a kid my dad, my sister and I were always sitting in the car waiting for her to get her shit together every time we went somewhere. I used to tell my dad to just leave when she wasn't ready but he wouldn't do it, he'd just bitch and complain to us. She put everyone out by being late, even her friends.
When I got married the first time that I went to pick her up to go someplace she made me wait on her couch for 45 minutes because she couldn’t get it together. I was so pissed because she made me late and I am NEVER late. At that time I told her that she was incredibly rude and thinking of no one but herself and that the next time she pulled that late crap I would leave her.
The next time I went to get her she was late again so I just left her. She could not believe that I wouldn't wait because everyone else had always put up with her nonsense. However, she was never, ever late with me again. She still held everyone else up but never again did she make me wait.
Being late is so disrespectful to others who have to wait on the late person. Anyone can be unavoidably late on occasion but that chronic lateness is completely unacceptable.
If it were my school age child I would talk to them, explaining how their chronic lateness was rude and disrespectful to those around them and how their lateness was going to affect them later in life through problems at work and problems with friends or a spouse. I would offer to help them get up and get going. I would give them a little grace and then I would warn them that if they could not be a responsible person they were going to receive a rude awakening much earlier than they would normally have to get up.
Until they stopped being late around five in the morning they would get ice water dripped on their face and a metal pot banged with a wooden spoon right over their head. Those consequences would escalate until they learned it was to their advantage to get going on time. I would then tell them that it was in their control to never have that happen again. Just get up on time, quit putting others out and start acting like a competent young adult. You do no one a favor by putting up with that behavior. They do it because there are no consequences.
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Post by nightnurse on Jan 29, 2024 17:43:42 GMT
Every study we have ever done says high school should start later, but as a society we have enshrined the early riser as more moral. If the school isn’t upset with his lateness, I wouldn’t make an issue of it. I’m now 50, I worked 7-3 for years and was late every day, everyone said I’d adjust, my internal clock never did. I got a job with a later start time. He’ll figure it out, too.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Jan 29, 2024 17:47:30 GMT
Disclaimer: I have no children.
I am curious...do you know what is causing him to be late? Won't get out of bad...he's sleeping, wasting time on a device in the morning before School- staying up late on devices(not getting enough sleep), dilly-dallying around.......all of it, etc...?
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Post by Linda on Jan 29, 2024 18:19:12 GMT
(((Hugs)))
I am a on-time is late/always a little early type in a family of late people (2 kids pus DH - 3rd kid is more like me)
over the years my kids have been late to school because DH didn't get them there on time. We've missed appointments because we were late. DH is regularly late to work - I honestly don't know how he managed in the Army...
They simply don't have a good concept of what time it, how much time has passed, or how long it takes to do something/get somewhere. DH will start getting ready to leave at the time we're supposed to be there for instance (my fix is to tell him we need to be there earlier than we do). My kids regularly miss scheduled tasks at home because they lost track of time (and that includes missing meals).
There are workarounds - and we use them- such as setting timers and alarms and for super important can't miss stuff (like a final exam) asking someone else to phone them and make sure they're headed out. And there are natural consequences - such as when you're late to an appointment and they make you reschedule (I love that about our doctor and dentist offices).
But it doesn't seem to be fixable ime
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Post by RosieKat on Jan 29, 2024 18:20:58 GMT
My kid truly has time blindness. It's a hard thing for me to understand, but you can tell her she needs to leave in 5 minutes and she has no comprehension of what that means. She has gotten better (she is now a junior) but it's still a problem. She does have diagnosed issues that involve executive function, so I assume that for her, that's a part of it all. We try to help her without giving her the equivalent of a motorized wheelchair when all she needs are crutches.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 29, 2024 18:42:57 GMT
I agree with sideways and nightnurse that school just starts too early for high school kids in most places. Our district is considering flipping the start times for the elementary and high school kids for that very reason. I really hope they do flip the times here otherwise the next four years of my life are going to be pure hell trying to get my kid out the door on time for high school. Teenagers just aren’t wired to get up early and be functional. It’s so ironic because when I was younger I was just like my kid and hated mornings with the heat of a thousand suns. These days my alarm goes off and I roll right out of bed no matter what time I have to get up even if I don’t want to and even if I hate it. Telling a kid to just go to bed earlier is going to fall on deaf ears. I also agree that in some cases there are some people who just can’t get anywhere on time. My BFF is like that. For as long as I’ve known her, she just is not an early bird. I think some of that has to do with undiagnosed ADD/ADHD and the fact that she’s always been really disorganized/ easily distracted/ can’t stay on task so routine things like setting alarms or writing down appointments slip through the cracks and then she forgets that there was something she was supposed to do or somewhere she was supposed to be.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 29, 2024 18:46:18 GMT
My oldest was like that in high school. FWIW, they were able to get everywhere else on time (and didn't run late between classes at school); it was just getting up for school in the morning as a teenager. Multiple alarms, parent reminders, you name it. I blamed myself, I blamed them, I got mad -- really, nothing helped.
Now that they are in college they start class a little later (9 rather than 7:50, which was the HS start time at the time), and when they are home for the summer, they are never late for work in the AM, ever. I really am convinced that the early HS start time combined with normal teen development/growth/sleep patterns is, for a segment of kids, a complete disaster (FWIW I have three teenagers now and none of them have any issues getting up and to school, and/but school for them starts at 8:50 rather than 7:50, because my district moved the start times back).
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Post by iowgirl on Jan 29, 2024 19:21:38 GMT
I agree with sideways and nightnurse that school just starts too early for high school kids in most places. I agree with teenagers needing more sleep, but I found it amazing that he could get up and get going quite early for things he really wanted to do. He could get to early morning sports practices that started at 6 am on time. He most definetly could get up before dawn to go fishing or go to the lake. No problem what so ever on that stuff... so, I finally quit giving him the slack on 'teenage sleep'. I know a lot of if was late night on the phone texting, etc. What is funny now that he is an adult - he hardly looks at his phone. Distains all social media. Doesn't take his phone with him into his work. It's like a switch flipped, and it was with all my kids. They almost seem to hate the phones and how tied everyone is to them. They have little to no social media, they do text me and we have a group snap chat - but they really only look at that during the evening hours.
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Post by craftymom101 on Jan 29, 2024 19:46:49 GMT
I would implement serious consequences at home for everyday he is late to school. My boys STRUGGLED getting up on time for almost a year and finally I lost my s**t on them. Every day they were late, they lost their phone, computer, and friends that day after school until bedtime. They use their phones as alarms and if they woke up on time the next morning, they kept their phone/computer/friends for the day. If they overslept, I would take their phones/computers/friends that day after school until bedtime. Repeat, repeat, repeat. It took a good month for them to finally figure it out and now they are rarely late. It was a PITA to monitor it every day, but the "before school" routine is so much better now. My boys' high school starts EARLY (first bell is 7:00am/late bell is 7:05am) and it was a tough transition from middle school to high school.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 29, 2024 19:55:51 GMT
Boy I'm glad that I don't (didn't) have that problem. I would lose my mind as I am early/on time person. My kids have always gotten themselves to school on time from elementary school through high school. It was expected for them to be there on time.
Of course I don't have perfect kids. lol... there were other issues here and there. Low grades at some point. Little this and that. I guess we instilled in them being late is not an option. My youngest is probably the one that gets close to that line but she knows that there would be no computer (gaming, streaming stuff)/phone type punishment if it was a thing.
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Post by peaname on Jan 29, 2024 21:40:33 GMT
Boy I'm glad that I don't (didn't) have that problem. I would lose my mind as I am early/on time person. My kids have always gotten themselves to school on time from elementary school through high school. It was expected for them to be there on time. Of course I don't have perfect kids. lol... there were other issues here and there. Low grades at some point. Little this and that. I guess we instilled in them being late is not an option. My youngest is probably the one that gets close to that line but she knows that there would be no computer (gaming, streaming stuff)/phone type punishment if it was a thing. I have three sons. The oldest and youngest have my sense of time and have been very good at getting themselves where they need to be. I can’t say I instilled this in them because they were raised the same way as the middle son and he can’t get anywhere on time! I really do think it’s part of your personality. If DH and arrive at a play right as the curtain goes up I consider it late and he would consider it on time! He’s more like our middle son but not as bad. He arrived late to a job interview and still got the job.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 29, 2024 21:49:17 GMT
Boy I'm glad that I don't (didn't) have that problem. I would lose my mind as I am early/on time person. My kids have always gotten themselves to school on time from elementary school through high school. It was expected for them to be there on time. Of course I don't have perfect kids. lol... there were other issues here and there. Low grades at some point. Little this and that. I guess we instilled in them being late is not an option. My youngest is probably the one that gets close to that line but she knows that there would be no computer (gaming, streaming stuff)/phone type punishment if it was a thing. I have three sons. The oldest and youngest have my sense of time and have been very good at getting themselves where they need to be. I can’t say I instilled this in them because they were raised the same way as the middle son and he can’t get anywhere on time! I really do think it’s part of your personality. If DH and arrive at a play right as the curtain goes up I consider it late and he would consider it on time! He’s more like our middle son but not as bad. He arrived late to a job interview and still got the job. I can probably say my youngest will be the one that is late to everything once she is on her own devices.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 29, 2024 22:52:40 GMT
I agree with epeanymous, it may have to do with teenagers natural sleep patterns and school starting time. And if that’s the case, I’m not sure how I would handle school, probably discuss with his doctor or a sleep doctor actually. But with everything else that impacts other people? I feel like as he’s in school and living at home, even at his age, it’s still within your scope to teach him as best you can. After a frank discussion and a short time to get used to it, I’d stop giving leeway and start implementing natural consequences. If you say you’re leaving at a certain time, leave exactly when you say you will. If it’s a family dinner out and he can drive himself, only get a table that will seat the exact number of everyone else and when he shows up do not allow him to join you. If he’s late for other type of things, like you need to know what he needs added to the grocery list by a certain time do not get anything he requests after that time. He can use his own time and money to go get it. Does he pay for his own insurance or other bills? Tickets? Allow for whatever natural consequences occur instead of bailing him out. Do you do laundry? If it’s not exactly where it’s supposed to be when it’s supposed to be take note and don’t wash it, make sure it doesn’t get into the next load either. Being on time, doing things on time is an important life skill.
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Post by airforcemomof1 on Jan 29, 2024 23:01:20 GMT
I agree consequences may be called for but no way could I tell my child he or she could not join our table at a restaurant if he or she were late.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 30, 2024 1:55:05 GMT
I agree consequences may be called for but no way could I tell my child he or she could not join our table at a restaurant if he or she were late. I get what you’re saying, and normally I’d agree. But for an ongoing issue that will have such a big impact on their life, where they are not attempting to make the needed changes and at an age where it’s hard to find natural consequences you can enforce that they would care about, I would make this one of them. When thinking of ideas for me at that age, I tried to determine what natural consequences my parents could have enforced that would affect me enough to initiate change, and this was one of the few. I was fairly independent doing things like my own laundry, servicing my own vehicle, cleaning my room/bathroom and helping a lot around the house, and getting a lot of my own items from the grocery store. But I didn’t spend much time at home with the whole family so this would have had a big impact on me. Not only because I didn’t spend much time doing fun things with them, but also because we rarely ate out so it was a real treat. I certainly couldn’t afford it much. Obviously, if there are other issues where this could cause problems or really hurt feelings, it wouldn’t be a good idea. But for a lot of kids this age I think they’ll mostly be mad or upset, not hurt. That would have been me, for sure. My sister had family issues so this would have been a terrible idea for her. Also, if they’re really trying I wouldn’t go this far. Each kid and situation is different.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 30, 2024 4:12:08 GMT
I agree with sideways and nightnurse that school just starts too early for high school kids in most places. Our district is considering flipping the start times for the elementary and high school kids for that very reason. I really hope they do flip the times here otherwise the next four years of my life are going to be pure hell trying to get my kid out the door on time for high school. Teenagers just aren’t wired to get up early and be functional. It’s so ironic because when I was younger I was just like my kid and hated mornings with the heat of a thousand suns. These days my alarm goes off and I roll right out of bed no matter what time I have to get up even if I don’t want to and even if I hate it. Telling a kid to just go to bed earlier is going to fall on deaf ears. I also agree that in some cases there are some people who just can’t get anywhere on time. My BFF is like that. For as long as I’ve known her, she just is not an early bird. I think some of that has to do with undiagnosed ADD/ADHD and the fact that she’s always been really disorganized/ easily distracted/ can’t stay on task so routine things like setting alarms or writing down appointments slip through the cracks and then she forgets that there was something she was supposed to do or somewhere she was supposed to be. our school district, Cherry Creek school district did the change for sleep around 2015, where elementary starts at 7:50, high school at 8:20 and middle school 8:45.
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Post by littlemama on Jan 30, 2024 11:28:21 GMT
Honestly, thousands amd thousands of high school kids manage to get up and get to school on time, even if it starts "too early". Also, truancy becomes the parents problem very quickly. As a parent, you (generic you) are responsible for making sure your child attends school and is there on time. The consequences are not just the child's.
So, talk to him about what he needs in order to get up and get to school on time. Go to bed earlier? An alarm clock that shakes the bed? A louder alarm? Coffee? He needs to participate in figuring this out.
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Post by airforcemomof1 on Jan 30, 2024 12:30:59 GMT
I agree consequences may be called for but no way could I tell my child he or she could not join our table at a restaurant if he or she were late. I get what you’re saying, and normally I’d agree. But for an ongoing issue that will have such a big impact on their life, where they are not attempting to make the needed changes and at an age where it’s hard to find natural consequences you can enforce that they would care about, I would make this one of them. When thinking of ideas for me at that age, I tried to determine what natural consequences my parents could have enforced that would affect me enough to initiate change, and this was one of the few. I was fairly independent doing things like my own laundry, servicing my own vehicle, cleaning my room/bathroom and helping a lot around the house, and getting a lot of my own items from the grocery store. But I didn’t spend much time at home with the whole family so this would have had a big impact on me. Not only because I didn’t spend much time doing fun things with them, but also because we rarely ate out so it was a real treat. I certainly couldn’t afford it much. Obviously, if there are other issues where this could cause problems or really hurt feelings, it wouldn’t be a good idea. But for a lot of kids this age I think they’ll mostly be mad or upset, not hurt. That would have been me, for sure. My sister had family issues so this would have been a terrible idea for her. Also, if they’re really trying I wouldn’t go this far. Each kid and situation is different. Sorry but I just can’t imagine any mother denying a child joining their table at a restaurant because the child was late. I can’t tell you how disturbing I think this is. Just wow!
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Post by librarylady on Jan 30, 2024 14:40:44 GMT
How timely. I was coming here to complain about someone ....
I am OCD about being ON TIME, and usually arrive at least 5 minutes early so that I am in place when it is time for the appointment or event or whatever.
Today's event: 3 friends are meeting a fourth person for lunch. We are to be at the location for lunch at 12:30. #1 person lives the furthermost from the restaurant. She has offered to PU the rest of us and go. If we go by distance, #1 should leave, PU #2 and then PU me (#3). Last night she texted me to say, "Is it OK to pick you up at 12:30? I replied, "NO. The restaurant is at least 20 minutes from my house."
I am appalled, but I can't comprehend how she would think this was OK. We told #4, we would meet her at 12:30, how could she think picking me up at the appointed hour would be OK?
A second story related to time, from many years ago. DIL was/is known to be habitually late. She heard me say I wanted to see the musical Cats, which was coming to Dallas. She asked to go with me. At that time, an organization had a chartered bus to take those attending to the theater. I got tickets for DIL and myself. As the day approached, I told DIL that I would not be late and miss the bus and she had to be here on time. The day and time came. She was not here. I tried to call to inquire how close she was to the house and she would not answer the phone. I gave her a few more minutes, seething all the time. Finally, I left home and went to the bus. I left her ticket with DH. I was on the bus and a few stragglers were getting on when DIL and DS pulled up. She got on the bus, livid with me. She said something about me leaving the house without her and my only reply was, "I told you I would NOT be late." She didn't say any more. However for the last 25 years, when we are going somewhere with her, she arrives on time.
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Post by littlemama on Jan 30, 2024 14:44:05 GMT
How timely. I was coming here to complain about someone .... I am OCD about being ON TIME, and usually arrive at least 5 minutes early so that I am in place when it is time for the appointment or event or whatever. Today's event: 3 friends are meeting a fourth person for lunch. We are to be at the location for lunch at 12:30. #1 person lives the furthermost from the restaurant. She has offered to PU the rest of us and go. If we go by distance, #1 should leave, PU #2 and then PU me (#3). Last night she texted me to say, "Is it OK to pick you up at 12:30? I replied, "NO. The restaurant is at least 20 minutes from my house." I am appalled, but I can't comprehend how she would think this was OK. We told #4, we would meet her at 12:30, how could she think picking me up at the appointed hour would be OK? A second story related to time, from many years ago. DIL was/is known to be habitually late. She heard me say I wanted to see the musical Cats, which was coming to Dallas. She asked to go with me. At that time, an organization had a chartered bus to take those attending to the theater. I got tickets for DIL and myself. As the day approached, I told DIL that I would not be late and miss the bus and she had to be here on time. The day and time came. She was not here. I tried to call to inquire how close she was to the house and she would not answer the phone. I gave her a few more minutes, seething all the time. Finally, I left home and went to the bus. I left her ticket with DH. I was on the bus and a few stragglers were getting on when DIL and DS pulled up. She got on the bus, livid with me. She said something about me leaving the house without her and my only reply was, "I told you I would NOT be late." She didn't say any more. However for the last 25 years, when we are going somewhere with her, she arrives on time. I corrected my mother in laws habit of being late (she does it for attention) by serving a holiday dinner at the time I said we would be eating. She rolled in about 20 minutes later and acted all offended that we hadnt waited. 🙄 But, she is on time to anything we are hosting now.
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