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Post by christine58 on Feb 14, 2024 3:11:23 GMT
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Post by Scrapper100 on Feb 14, 2024 4:11:19 GMT
Well considering that many never have a fever and are sick and still contagious this is not going to go well.
I have to say I am seeing many more people wearing masks than I have in over a year.
We actually put off our Christmas due to so many people having respiratory illnesses. Not us but my MIL wanted to wait a month hoping to avoid catching anything. We are meeting at a restaurant in between us (we live in different cities). I am hoping that we can meet up this weekend- finally.
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Post by littlemama on Feb 14, 2024 12:36:01 GMT
This is complete insanity. Employers are going to use this to compel sick workers to come to work and infect everyone. I never had a fever when I had Covid last year. I could have taken down hundreds of people under these new guidelines
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Post by christine58 on Feb 14, 2024 13:11:31 GMT
This is complete insanity. Employers are going to use this to compel sick workers to come to work and infect everyone. I never had a fever when I had Covid last year. I could have taken down hundreds of people under these new guidelines I never had a fever either.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Feb 14, 2024 13:24:36 GMT
I think the reasoning is that they want people to follow the same guidelines as they do with the flu or RSV which is be fever free for 24 hours. I understand the rationale behind it since most people have already had Covid so their reinfection symptoms wouldn't be as severe as when they first had it. I never had any fever but an annoying cough (but nowhere near as bad as I have had with a bad cold where I get bronchitis) and I was just really tired. That was it. I have Fibromyalgia so that could be me on any given day.
I know that some employers will say that people have to come into work but I think most will still be cautious and ask that if you can work from home to please do so.
The increase in masks isn't necessarily because of Covid. RSV and the flu are way more prevalent right now.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 14, 2024 13:57:03 GMT
Ugh. What could possibly go wrong? I just heard on the news that hundreds of people a day are still dying of Covid.
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Post by Merge on Feb 14, 2024 14:16:15 GMT
Hate to break it to you all, but this has been the reality for millions of US workers for a long time now. Very few people can afford to take five days unpaid if they’re hourly workers. Others work in jobs where being absent like that for several days can cost them their jobs.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but reality is that very little will change for most people with this guidance.
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Post by alsomsknit on Feb 14, 2024 16:47:46 GMT
This is complete insanity. Employers are going to use this to compel sick workers to come to work and infect everyone. I never had a fever when I had Covid last year. I could have taken down hundreds of people under these new guidelines I never had a fever either. Same. According to my symptoms, I had COVID in January. All in sinuses, headache, extreme fatigue, chills. So cold I would put a hoodie on over heavy pjs, while burrowing in my bed. Yet, I never had a fever. My son had it, too. His was 3 days to my 2 weeks. Same chills, no fever. The fatigue is still so bad for me that I barely function. My family has been amazing in taking care of everything at home. And, work is being understanding, too. I guess Jay could have easily gone to work and spread it.
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Post by Texas Scrap on Feb 14, 2024 17:26:51 GMT
I think @merge is right that this is the reality for many now. That said, as some one who is living with Long Covid and has since late 2020, the risks with Covid and longer term impact of LC are a much greater issue than near term illness and will impact our health costs globally as we continue to have people with chronic LC issues. I so wish we had better infrastructure, policies, etc to support employees and students to stay home when sick.
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Post by tracylynn on Feb 14, 2024 17:27:31 GMT
This is complete insanity. Employers are going to use this to compel sick workers to come to work and infect everyone. I never had a fever when I had Covid last year. I could have taken down hundreds of people under these new guidelines I hope not. Our company is super good about this - have a sniffle? Stay the f at home. We are all set up to work from home (we are hybrid from home 3 days a week anyway).
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Post by christine58 on Feb 14, 2024 17:53:28 GMT
I think @merge is right that this is the reality for many now. That said, as some one who is living with Long Covid and has since late 2020, the risks with Covid and longer term impact of LC are a much greater issue than near term illness and will impact our health costs globally as we continue to have people with chronic LC issues. I so wish we had better infrastructure, policies, etc to support employees and students to stay home when sick. What are some of your symptoms?
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Post by lavawalker1 on Feb 14, 2024 20:48:43 GMT
DH and I are currently ill with Covid. I’m on day 7, with no fever the last two days. I’m still testing positive. He is on day 12, no fever for last 7 days, and he is still testing positive. This whole thing is so weird and different for everyone. Thankfully we are retired and do not need to worry about work…. I’m feeling good enough to be out doing a few things, but I’m not going anywhere, except for maybe a car ride with DH. Thanks honey for giving me Covid! 🙄
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Post by Mel on Feb 14, 2024 21:31:47 GMT
DH and I are currently ill with Covid. I’m on day 7, with no fever the last two days. I’m still testing positive. He is on day 12, no fever for last 7 days, and he is still testing positive. This whole thing is so weird and different for everyone. Thankfully we are retired and do not need to worry about work…. I’m feeling good enough to be out doing a few things, but I’m not going anywhere, except for maybe a car ride with DH. Thanks honey for giving me Covid! 🙄 From what I understand, you can be completely symptom free and test positive for weeks after. I've had it twice, no fever either time. Chills, fatigue, headache, cough, stuffiness in my sinuses, and sore throat were my main things... just like with a bad cold. The only difference is, it came and went in about 6 days where a cold lingers for a couple of weeks usually.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Feb 14, 2024 21:35:28 GMT
This is complete insanity. Employers are going to use this to compel sick workers to come to work and infect everyone. I never had a fever when I had Covid last year. I could have taken down hundreds of people under these new guidelines I hope not. Our company is super good about this - have a sniffle? Stay the f at home. We are all set up to work from home (we are hybrid from home 3 days a week anyway). My principal may be super good about this as well, doesn’t mean it is always or feasible to take time off work for me. Or financially reasonable. What about all the people that work in retail, medical facilities, supermarkets, restaurants. Etc who cannot find people to cover their shifts? What about the people that simply cannot afford to miss shifts? The new covid guidelines aren’t going to change much for most people, sadly. If anything it will make the office type people and teachers (because kids will be back in school immediately ) worse off, but I don’t think it is going to change much for the majority of the working population.
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Post by Texas Scrap on Feb 14, 2024 22:54:26 GMT
I think @merge is right that this is the reality for many now. That said, as some one who is living with Long Covid and has since late 2020, the risks with Covid and longer term impact of LC are a much greater issue than near term illness and will impact our health costs globally as we continue to have people with chronic LC issues. I so wish we had better infrastructure, policies, etc to support employees and students to stay home when sick. What are some of your symptoms? Symptoms and severity have varied widely over the last 3 years, but key ones include...brain fog, brain fatigue, slower processing (this was confirmed via testing at neurologist), and also neurological impact tied to vagus nerve/overactive nervous system (racing thoughts, heart rate, nerve tingling/pins and needles in arms and legs, vertigo, weakness, nausea, physical exhaustion). So when I had covid originally, it was like my body got stuck in fight/flight adrenaline rush feeling and the entire 3 weeks were just like one big chaotic rush with my body in overload. Then that reoccured when I would over extend myself and it was like my body was operating on this super high sensitivity to stress, physical activity, and mental effort so that it would just jump into a big reaction each time that would knock me out for a week or 2 at a time. I have made strides, but really all of those symptoms still pop up but less intense and shorter because I am highly managing stimulus, stress, physical exertion, etc. Lots of lifestyle changes. ETA - I got sick with the second strain which was still super powerful and pre-vaccine. Lots of us from the original and second strain got hit pretty hard with LC.
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Post by RosieKat on Feb 15, 2024 2:07:41 GMT
Hate to break it to you all, but this has been the reality for millions of US workers for a long time now. Very few people can afford to take five days unpaid if they’re hourly workers. Others work in jobs where being absent like that for several days can cost them their jobs. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but reality is that very little will change for most people with this guidance. Yep. Our school district is even actively pushing truancy cases, even when they know people were out with Covid. And I'm not talking cases where a kid basically doesn't ever come to school - I'm talking about 13 days in a case I personally know of, of which I think 12 were due to Covid 2x, and I've heard of a lot of similar cases. The parents are ultimately cleared, but meanwhile, it's had to go through the entire court process and has wasted everyone's time and money, not to mention adding stress. So of course, this means that many, many kids just come to school sick anyway. (Add in that DD's school is one focused on overachieving, so if you miss even a day, you're screwed in terms of work as it is.) No one misses unless they are basically in the hospital. DS recently had Covid and thankfully his high school (different district) actually expects you to stay home for the 5 days, etc. I wonder if there will be more pressure once CDC guidance changes, though. He would have had to miss 5 school days anyway, as he wasn't fever-free until a Thursday afternoon - but I wonder if the school would be as forgiving if it were a year from now.
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2024 2:20:26 GMT
I hope not. Our company is super good about this - have a sniffle? Stay the f at home. We are all set up to work from home (we are hybrid from home 3 days a week anyway). My principal may be super good about this as well, doesn’t mean it is always or feasible to take time off work for me. Or financially reasonable. What about all the people that work in retail, medical facilities, supermarkets, restaurants. Etc who cannot find people to cover their shifts? What about the people that simply cannot afford to miss shifts? The new covid guidelines aren’t going to change much for most people, sadly. If anything it will make the office type people and teachers (because kids will be back in school immediately ) worse off, but I don’t think it is going to change much for the majority of the working population. Our kids are already back in school with Covid because their parents can't afford the time off. Same reason they come to school with the flu, etc. Our district has a new policy for teachers where after the fourth absence, you get a disciplinary note in your file. Same after 6, 8, and 10. At 10 you are eligible for termination and have to go before a committee to plead your case. So you can imagine that teachers' young kids are going to school sick as well.
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Post by seaexplore on Feb 15, 2024 3:15:38 GMT
My principal may be super good about this as well, doesn’t mean it is always or feasible to take time off work for me. Or financially reasonable. What about all the people that work in retail, medical facilities, supermarkets, restaurants. Etc who cannot find people to cover their shifts? What about the people that simply cannot afford to miss shifts? The new covid guidelines aren’t going to change much for most people, sadly. If anything it will make the office type people and teachers (because kids will be back in school immediately ) worse off, but I don’t think it is going to change much for the majority of the working population. Our kids are already back in school with Covid because their parents can't afford the time off. Same reason they come to school with the flu, etc. Our district has a new policy for teachers where after the fourth absence, you get a disciplinary note in your file. Same after 6, 8, and 10. At 10 you are eligible for termination and have to go before a committee to plead your case.So you can imagine that teachers' young kids are going to school sick as well. What the effing hell? I had 4 days in December alone with my DH being rushed to the ER. My kid has out of the area gym meets that I have to take Friday off for (2 so far but another 2-3 possibly coming up in April to travel from central CA to AZ). I’m a 25 year veteran who doesn’t just take days. Last year I used ONE day. Most years I use ZERO days. I hate your district.
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Post by RosieKat on Feb 15, 2024 16:57:10 GMT
Our district has a new policy for teachers where after the fourth absence, you get a disciplinary note in your file. Same after 6, 8, and 10. At 10 you are eligible for termination and have to go before a committee to plead your case. Such. Freaking. BS.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Feb 15, 2024 18:45:07 GMT
DH and I are currently ill with Covid. I’m on day 7, with no fever the last two days. I’m still testing positive. He is on day 12, no fever for last 7 days, and he is still testing positive. This whole thing is so weird and different for everyone. Thankfully we are retired and do not need to worry about work…. I’m feeling good enough to be out doing a few things, but I’m not going anywhere, except for maybe a car ride with DH. Thanks honey for giving me Covid! 🙄 From what I understand, you can be completely symptom free and test positive for weeks after. I've had it twice, no fever either time. Chills, fatigue, headache, cough, stuffiness in my sinuses, and sore throat were my main things... just like with a bad cold. The only difference is, it came and went in about 6 days where a cold lingers for a couple of weeks usually. You can continue to test positive but that doesn't mean that you can spread it. You have to have a certain viral load to transmit but you can continue to test positive for weeks but you most likely were no longer contagious after say 5 or 6 days (I'm just throwing a number out there).
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2024 20:54:09 GMT
Our kids are already back in school with Covid because their parents can't afford the time off. Same reason they come to school with the flu, etc. Our district has a new policy for teachers where after the fourth absence, you get a disciplinary note in your file. Same after 6, 8, and 10. At 10 you are eligible for termination and have to go before a committee to plead your case.So you can imagine that teachers' young kids are going to school sick as well. What the effing hell? I had 4 days in December alone with my DH being rushed to the ER. My kid has out of the area gym meets that I have to take Friday off for (2 so far but another 2-3 possibly coming up in April to travel from central CA to AZ). I’m a 25 year veteran who doesn’t just take days. Last year I used ONE day. Most years I use ZERO days. I hate your district. Oh, we hate it too. This is all due to the Greg Abbott-installed superintendent who was sent here to destroy the public schools in part by running off all the certified teachers. Our loathing knows no bounds.
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Post by nightnurse on Feb 15, 2024 20:54:38 GMT
Forcing people to work sick is a disaster in the making. Paid sick leave and job security need to be the norm, not the exception. We are going to have another pandemic and based on how we handled covid, I don’t have high hopes
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Post by scrappinmama on Feb 15, 2024 21:19:44 GMT
It's outrageous that people aren't being allowed sick time! My boss's boss was bitching about PTO, saying there shouldn't be any sick time. I snapped back "so you just want people to show up and infect the office, or show up the day after a heart attack?" Her response was that people cheat the system. Fine, then address it to the ones who you think are cheating the system!
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Post by lily on Feb 16, 2024 14:06:13 GMT
I just had Covid in December....first time ever so I was lucky I avoided it for 3 years. Anyway, I was sick as a dog and on Day 5 I could still barely get off the couch. I know there are very mild variants, but this new CDC idea is stupid.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 16, 2024 14:55:32 GMT
What are some of your symptoms? Symptoms and severity have varied widely over the last 3 years, but key ones include...brain fog, brain fatigue, slower processing (this was confirmed via testing at neurologist), and also neurological impact tied to vagus nerve/overactive nervous system (racing thoughts, heart rate, nerve tingling/pins and needles in arms and legs, vertigo, weakness, nausea, physical exhaustion). So when I had covid originally, it was like my body got stuck in fight/flight adrenaline rush feeling and the entire 3 weeks were just like one big chaotic rush with my body in overload. Then that reoccured when I would over extend myself and it was like my body was operating on this super high sensitivity to stress, physical activity, and mental effort so that it would just jump into a big reaction each time that would knock me out for a week or 2 at a time. I have made strides, but really all of those symptoms still pop up but less intense and shorter because I am highly managing stimulus, stress, physical exertion, etc. Lots of lifestyle changes. ETA - I got sick with the second strain which was still super powerful and pre-vaccine. Lots of us from the original and second strain got hit pretty hard with LC. My SIL has it too and much of what you’ve posted applies to her too. She is a couple years out with it now and she’s still very limited with what she can do because she gets exhausted very quickly. She was effectively retired for several years before Covid, but with LC affecting her the way it has there’s no way she would be able to work even in a limited capacity. I think in time LC is going to emerge as a big problem overall for a huge swath of the population. It’s really sad how badly it affects some people.
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Post by Merge on Feb 16, 2024 20:06:21 GMT
It's outrageous that people aren't being allowed sick time! My boss's boss was bitching about PTO, saying there shouldn't be any sick time. I snapped back "so you just want people to show up and infect the office, or show up the day after a heart attack?" Her response was that people cheat the system. Fine, then address it to the ones who you think are cheating the system! They assume that everyone is “cheating” the system, of course.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 16, 2024 22:24:16 GMT
It's outrageous that people aren't being allowed sick time! My boss's boss was bitching about PTO, saying there shouldn't be any sick time. I snapped back "so you just want people to show up and infect the office, or show up the day after a heart attack?" Her response was that people cheat the system. Fine, then address it to the ones who you think are cheating the system! They assume that everyone is “cheating” the system, of course. Right? And they’d rather #$+& everyone over in order to punish the small percentage of cheaters.
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Post by Merge on Feb 17, 2024 0:01:37 GMT
They assume that everyone is “cheating” the system, of course. Right? And they’d rather #$+& everyone over in order to punish the small percentage of cheaters. Never mind the question of whether it's really "cheating" to use sick days that you are allotted for whatever purpose you deem necessary, including mental health breaks.
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Post by seaexplore on Feb 17, 2024 2:32:13 GMT
It's outrageous that people aren't being allowed sick time! My boss's boss was bitching about PTO, saying there shouldn't be any sick time. I snapped back "so you just want people to show up and infect the office, or show up the day after a heart attack?" Her response was that people cheat the system. Fine, then address it to the ones who you think are cheating the system! They assume that everyone is “cheating” the system, of course. I can assure you there there are indeed people who are doing so. We had someone "have Covid" 3 times in a year- they got 30 days out of work, 20 of which were PAID while we were doing distance learning and hybrid learning and whatever other messed up learning type of things that were come up with. Eta: we get 10 days a year and because of COVID we were given 10 more (not any longer tho) but only those who had Covid got to use those 10 extra days, if you didn't get covid and have to use them (because you used all your sick days already) then you were SOL. I was such a lucky dog that I got mine the Tuesday Christmas break started and was all ready to go back to work when break was over. Pissed me the hell off!
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Post by Merge on Feb 17, 2024 5:14:39 GMT
They assume that everyone is “cheating” the system, of course. I can assure you there there are indeed people who are doing so. We had someone "have Covid" 3 times in a year- they got 30 days out of work, 20 of which were PAID while we were doing distance learning and hybrid learning and whatever other messed up learning type of things that were come up with. Eta: we get 10 days a year and because of COVID we were given 10 more (not any longer tho) but only those who had Covid got to use those 10 extra days, if you didn't get covid and have to use them (because you used all your sick days already) then you were SOL. I was such a lucky dog that I got mine the Tuesday Christmas break started and was all ready to go back to work when break was over. Pissed me the hell off! Some, but again, admin seems to assume that *everyone* is.
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