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Post by myshelly on Mar 15, 2024 15:00:55 GMT
Say your child came to you and said something was weighing heavy on him and he wanted to talk about it, but didn’t want you to do anything about it.
Child witnessed a friend steal something from a store.
Relevant info:
- Child is a minor - Friend is an adult - Item in question is valued at $10 - Store is a locally owned small business - Both child and adult are regulars at this business - Child believes friend to be undocumented (relevant because child fears a small problem like shoplifting could turn into a much bigger problem for a person in undocumented status)
What advice would you give your child? Child is very upset because he thinks stealing is a big deal and this has permanently altered how he views this friend. How would you help him through his feelings about this?
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Post by pinklady on Mar 15, 2024 15:20:36 GMT
Honestly, there's too much missing information from the story for specific advice. With what's posted, I'd tell the kid their feelings are valid and also let them know that this won't be the last time someone disappoints them in their life. Friends will come and go throughout their life.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 15, 2024 15:26:07 GMT
Honestly, there's too much missing information from the story for specific advice. With what's posted, I'd tell the kid their feelings are valid and also let them know that this won't be the last time someone disappoints them in their life. Friends will come and go throughout their life. What kind of missing info? I can’t think of anything else that’s relevant to the story
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Post by ~summer~ on Mar 15, 2024 15:29:37 GMT
I agree with pink lady. Seems like odd situation- what is relationship and age difference between the child and the adult friend?
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Post by pinklady on Mar 15, 2024 15:32:09 GMT
Honestly, there's too much missing information from the story for specific advice. With what's posted, I'd tell the kid their feelings are valid and also let them know that this won't be the last time someone disappoints them in their life. Friends will come and go throughout their life. What kind of missing info? I can’t think of anything else that’s relevant to the story For starters...What are the ages of the child and adult? What is their relationship? Was this the first time this happened or is it a pattern? How often are they together? ETA: The fact that you threw in their undocumented status also makes me suspicious.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 15, 2024 15:36:10 GMT
Say your child came to you and said something was weighing heavy on him and he wanted to talk about it, but didn’t want you to do anything about it. Child witnessed a friend steal something from a store. Relevant info: - Child is a minor - Friend is an adult - Item in question is valued at $10 - Store is a locally owned small business - Both child and adult are regulars at this business - Child believes friend to be undocumented (relevant because child fears a small problem like shoplifting could turn into a much bigger problem for a person in undocumented status) What advice would you give your child? Child is very upset because he thinks stealing is a big deal and this has permanently altered how he views this friend. How would you help him through his feelings about this?I think I would tell my child that he needs to be honest with his friend, and tell the friend that they are disappointed in the friend for stealing, even if it's "just $10" . If the friend needed something (I dont know what the item was that they stole, was it like toothpaste? or something like pokemon cards?), they could come to the child for help, but stealing is not the answer. I would also encourage the child to tell the friend that in this political climate, it could easily escalate, and if they continue to steal, they won't be hanging out together.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 15, 2024 15:38:33 GMT
What kind of missing info? I can’t think of anything else that’s relevant to the story For starters...What are the ages of the child and adult? What is their relationship? Was this the first time this happened or is it a pattern? How often are they together? ETA: The fact that you threw in their undocumented status also makes me suspicious. I’m not sure why that makes you suspicious. We live in Texas, immigration is a hot button issue here. We talk about immigration policy a lot. I explained why the status was relevant to how my child felt about the situation. My child is a minor teenager. Adult is in his 20s, but I don’t know his exact age. This is the first time child has seen him steal. They are together 2-3 times a week, in a large group, not just the two of them.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 15, 2024 15:40:10 GMT
Suggest DS tells his friend what he did was wrong and could have major consequences including deportation and/or jail!
His choice whether he reports it or not.
DS needs to walk away or he could be charged as an accomplice or as also for shoplifting. He should find a new friend!
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Post by Tearisci on Mar 15, 2024 15:40:44 GMT
I'm sure that was so disappointing for your child to see an adult stealing something. I don't think there's much you can do other that possibly limiting their time together and reinforcing that stealing is wrong and that this person is making really bad choices.
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Post by pinklady on Mar 15, 2024 15:55:23 GMT
I stand by what I said originally...I'd tell the kid their feelings are valid and also let them know that this won't be the last time someone disappoints them in their life. Friends will come and go throughout their life.
What is a "minor teenager"? 17? 13? That makes a difference to me. I mean if this is a 17yr old and 20yr old I may have differing advice than if it was a 13yr old and a 26yr old.
I may suggest that the next time they are together and your son can pull him aside one on one, he tell him that he saw him take whatever it was and that was not OK. I would not go into what ifs or legal anything but just leave it at that was not OK.
As the parent, I'd limit the time my kid was around the adult. If your son has to be in this group, I'd encourage him to put distance between the adult and himself.
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Post by 3boysnme on Mar 15, 2024 16:00:19 GMT
Validate your child's feelings. They are right to feel that way. Unfortunately, some people steal. Drum it into their head that stealing is never right, but maybe their friend stole for food? If he is indeed undocumented, he might not have enough money to eat. Doesn't make stealing right, but sometimes people do what they have to do to survive. Since nobody knows this is the case or not, it might help alleviate your child's feelings.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 15, 2024 16:04:24 GMT
Suggest DS tells his friend what he did was wrong and could have major consequences including deportation and/or jail! His choice whether he reports it or not. DS needs to walk away or he could be charged as an accomplice or as also for shoplifting. He should fine a new friend! This is my thought. Bad for the friend, but also potentially bad for your kid. Security might not be that keen to sort out individual responsibility on the fly when dealing with a group of teens and young adults.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 15, 2024 17:14:24 GMT
His main concern is being somehow implicated.
When he started going to malls and stores without me being right there we had a big talk about not holding bags or things for other people, not letting other people put things in his bag, not carrying a backpack or big bag, not wearing a hoodie, etc.
I definitely told him his feelings were valid and reiterated all the precautions we talked about earlier.
He knows the store has 4 security cameras and thinks friend will be caught (and as he put it friend isn’t particularly good at it if son noticed).
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Post by scrapmaven on Mar 15, 2024 17:51:53 GMT
I would tell your son that he needs to back away from this person. Your ds has values and he did the right thing by telling you. Encourage him to choose different people and to never go anywhere w/this person. I'm also wondering why an adult is hanging out w/a teenager? At this point, reminding your ds that he could be arrested if he's w/someone who's shoplifting.
When I was 10 I was shopping w/a friend. She asked me to hold her purse open while she went to put earrings in her purse. I refused, walked outside and called my mother. I never went out w/her, again and we were the same age. I did the right thing and so did your son when he told you.
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 15, 2024 17:58:16 GMT
Tell your ds you appreciate him.coming to you and that you are always there to hear his thoughts. It is so important for us to be there for our kids.
I would suggest that your ds no longer hang out with that friend or group.
1. I don't think a kid needs to hang out with 20+ year Olds unless siblings/cousins.
2. That adult isn't setting a good example to your son.
3. That adult could put your ds in a situation he doesn't want to be in and get in trouble.
I would offer my opinion and why without pointing fingers or rambling. And then let your ds decide what to do.
I woukd also suggest he say something to his friend and if he felt needed talk to the store.
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Post by smasonnc on Mar 15, 2024 18:01:44 GMT
Suggest DS tells his friend what he did was wrong and could have major consequences including deportation and/or jail! His choice whether he reports it or not. DS needs to walk away or he could be charged as an accomplice or as also for shoplifting. He should find a new friend! This ^^ His main concern is being somehow implicated. That's a very legit concern. My son was with a kid who got pulled over with a small amount pot in his car just as DS was applying for college. We had to go to court. (Never having been to court before, we looked like a comical yuppie family from central casting, but that's a story for another day.) It could have gone on his record. Even though the end of a joint is classified as a misdemeanor, it could have been a problem. I was in a store with someone who shoplifted in college. I didn't turn her in but it freaked me out so I can sympathise with your son. He really needs to avoid this person and let him know why. The "friend" will probably play the "p" card to try to make him think he's weak for having a problem with it.
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Post by Lexica on Mar 15, 2024 18:06:36 GMT
First, I want to commend you on how your son felt he could come to you with this information and with the things you have taught him about right and wrong. Not every child would feel they could confide in their parent.
I would commend your son for knowing how wrong this is. He witnessed stealing on a small scale, and if this adult is comfortable stealing from a small business owner, who knows where they would draw the line or how much more the value of a stolen item might be next time. Sometimes when a person steals, it isn’t because they need the item, and they may actually have the money to pay for that item. What they are feeling is a sense of entitlement. Like the world owes them things and they have the right to take anything they want. That can be very dangerous for your son to be around someone like that. He may very well be considered an accomplice next time.
If it were my son, I would discuss the possibility of them distancing themselves from this person. What is an adult doing hanging with minors anyway? Is this just a group of friends? It seems odd that the adult would have much in common with the younger kids. And in this case, he is certainly not setting a good example. It is up to you and your son if he wants to confront this person before severing the friendship. It may help or it may put your son in danger. You certainly wouldn’t want your son to be used by this person slipping something into his backpack or jacket without his knowledge and involving him in a theft. Even if he doesn’t have anything on his person when the guy gets caught, he may be banished from the store or even taken to the police station and questioned, depending on the circumstances and value of what is taken. You have to assume this was not the first time this guy stole something and it won’t be the last.
And as for the comment that if it was a food item, it might seem excusable, I don’t subscribe to that. Stealing is stealing. There are programs available in this country for people without food. And being undocumented during this political climate, especially in a border state such as Texas, they should be on their absolute best behavior. Just my opinion.
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Post by Zee on Mar 15, 2024 18:14:00 GMT
I think he should leave this issue alone and let the chips fall where they may, but he should also distance himself from this person.
Why is a 20 something adult hanging out with teenagers "as friends"? That already feels like this person is off in some way, unless they were co-workers of otherwise professionally aligned and only a few years apart. But I was thinking your son is a young teenager (more like 13-14). Ages matter in this instance, to me.
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Post by ameslou on Mar 15, 2024 18:49:02 GMT
There's an inherent power imbalance between an adult and a child - both in an individual relationship between the two and the child's relationship within the group. What kind of influence does the adult have in the group, and how might the adult influence the group towards the child?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 15, 2024 19:14:48 GMT
If my kid was with someone and saw them steal something, it would really affect her too so I can completely understand. She wouldn’t even want to be friends with that person or hang around with them in any capacity anymore and I would tell her she would be right to go with her gut on that.
I would advise my kid to back away from that relationship because that person isn’t going to end up anywhere good. I wouldn’t advise going out of my way to tell the person why because it likely won’t change the shoplifter’s behavior at that point and at that age. If the person regularly goes to that store odds are good that they have taken things from there before and will do it again and at some point they’ll get caught and your kid doesn’t need to get swept up in that mess. As a former retailer who had people steal from me, I knew exactly who was shoplifting so that retailer also probably knows about this person and has them on their radar. It’s not a matter of if but when.
My guess is that the person is using the younger people in the group as a distraction to the retailer while they do their dirty deeds, so I would probably feel inclined to tell the parents of the other kids in the group so they can advise their kids that this person is trouble and at the very least to be on the alert when their kids are with this person.
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Post by Lexica on Mar 15, 2024 19:20:40 GMT
I just had another very scary thought. There is always the possibility of the store personnel having a gun behind the counter. If things got crazy, I wouldn’t want my child anywhere near something like that because they could be hit by a bullet not meant for them.
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Post by questioning on Mar 15, 2024 21:03:27 GMT
...we had a big talk about not holding bags or things for other people, not letting other people put things in his bag, not carrying a backpack or big bag, not wearing a hoodie, etc... I warned my kids about a lot of things, but not this. It seems to be good advice in your case! Congrats they are talking with you about it. Mine are in their twenties and we continue to benefit from having open conversation while they were growing up. ETA I can think of a number of situations where younger teens spend time with 19-21 YO, from my life or my kids. Examples - Community theatre, Park and Rec jobs, service groups with returning members doing internships, and of course sibling groups...
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Mar 15, 2024 23:48:49 GMT
I would tell the teenager, that what their friend did was wrong.
I would tell the teenager, that we are each responsible for our own actions.
I would tell the teenager, that we as individuals can't control what other people do, we can only control our reaction to what someone else does or doesn't do.
I would advise teenager to calmly and politely, tell the friend "I saw what you did, and it's wrong to do that". If I see it happen again, I will be terminating our friendship.
If I were a Parent, I would want to know what they took and why. Getting to the root pf the problem, may offer some insight. Are they hungry and taking food...out of desperation? Are they a jackass and doing it because they think they can? Are they a kleptomaniac--have a mental illness?
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Post by Merge on Mar 15, 2024 23:56:01 GMT
As a parent, you still have some say in who your child spends time with. I don’t recall how old your kids are, but especially if they’re younger teens, I’d severely limit how much time they spend with this older “friend.”
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Post by myshelly on Mar 16, 2024 0:20:14 GMT
The item was not food or other necessity.
It was a frivolous non-need in the toy/gaming category.
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Post by amom23 on Mar 16, 2024 0:33:06 GMT
We used to remind our kids they could be found guilty by association so be careful who you hang out with and what you participate in, etc. Sounds like this person isn't the best "friend" for your son to have. Let him know it's ok to let a friendship go.
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Post by Basket1lady on Mar 16, 2024 0:42:34 GMT
Does your child have the choice to avoid this person?
If they need to be together, I would distance myself as much as possible from this person, especially in a retail setting. To the point of just waiting in the car/bus/outside.
I wouldn’t report it without proof unless this person is in a position of authority over your child. Then I would report it, even without the proof.
The adult knows it’s wrong. I wouldn’t seek the person out to tell them they were wrong, but I’d say so if it came up in conversation.
I would discuss the feelings that comes with the disappointment.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 16, 2024 1:42:46 GMT
DS will be attempting to distance himself, but adult will still be in the friend group and DS does not want to (nor do I want him to) nor should he have to give up the group, so there is only so much distancing that can occur.
Adult is not in any position of authority over anyone.
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Post by ellen on Mar 16, 2024 3:01:49 GMT
My daughter works in a popular clothing store in a large mall. This is what they are told to do about shoplifters - nothing. They have been instructed to do nothing for their own safety. A manager might call security, but a regular worker would just tell the manager. They have security tags on items and other practices to reduce shoplifting. Workers try to be in areas to reduce shoplifting, but they are not to confront a shoplifter. That makes me think that it really isn’t your son’s job to confront the shoplifter either. I would just advise my son to not go into a store with him.
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Post by gar on Mar 16, 2024 9:39:18 GMT
DS will be attempting to distance himself, but adult will still be in the friend group and DS does not want to (nor do I want him to) nor should he have to give up the group, so there is only so much distancing that can occur. Adult is not in any position of authority over anyone. Is the rest of the group around the age of your son? Or is it mixed? I can't come up with a scenario where a 20 something has hung around with a group of younger teenagers regularly. He might not have any official authority over any of them but his age with automatically give him some appearance of 'authority' to some younger kids.
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