sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Dec 29, 2014 20:29:59 GMT
dealing with anxiety in those areas? I avoid doing/saying things I need to do/say, in order to avoid 'unpleasantness'. I know it's (avoiding conflict) been ingrained in me from when I was very young, but I can't seem to get over or through it.
It's holding me back.
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Post by oldcrow on Dec 29, 2014 20:40:09 GMT
dealing with anxiety in those areas? I avoid doing/saying things I need to do/say, in order to avoid 'unpleasantness'. I know it's (avoiding conflict) been ingrained in me from when I was very young, but I can't seem to get over or through it. It's holding me back. Sorry, I'm no help. My problem is not keeping my mouth shut. I'm sort of the if I think it I say it type.
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georgiapea
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Post by georgiapea on Dec 29, 2014 20:44:29 GMT
Is this a work situation? I'm very non confrontational at work, not speaking up when I maybe should to avoid any lingering unpleasant dealings. Outside of work I'm very up front about things and how I feel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 20:46:40 GMT
I don't have any advice for you, because over the years I have come to the conclusion that confrontation is overrated. I'm not afraid of it, I've just realized that for me personally it NEVER helps but almost always makes things worse. So now my policy is to sweep everything under the rug. Usually after awhile I find that whatever the issue was doesn't bother me and I'm glad I didn't say anything because then there is no awkwardness with that person and we can just go on our merry way.
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Post by mikklynn on Dec 29, 2014 21:09:36 GMT
Age. I am much more likely to speak my mind at 56 than I was at say 36. BUT, sometimes it's better to let things go. My SIL is a pain in the ass. If I spoke up every time she did something rude to me or my daughter, the entire family would suffer.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Dec 29, 2014 21:13:47 GMT
In my youth, I was much more confrontational. Now I am very likely to let things roll off me. I am not a pushover, though. I think for me, as long as I am not being treated like a doormat and giving anyone the opportunity to do so, then really I have very little behavior that I want to confront. I have learned that confrontation almost always leads to more upset than just taking the situation and making the best of it.
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sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Dec 29, 2014 21:14:05 GMT
Is this a work situation? I'm very non confrontational at work, not speaking up when I maybe should to avoid any lingering unpleasant dealings. Outside of work I'm very up front about things and how I feel. Work and personal. But, especially work right now.
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keithurbanlovinpea
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Dec 29, 2014 22:07:06 GMT
I wish I could tell you. I "suffer" from the same issues. I know why I have them, and I know that in some situations I do not want to confront anyone. But like you, I know it holds me back professionally. As I have aged, I have become much more comfortable with my inability to confront.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 23:08:58 GMT
Watch all the old Clint Eastwood movies. (I'm serious. Works for me.)
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ladypop
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Post by ladypop on Dec 29, 2014 23:17:14 GMT
Medication. Seriously. Since I started on anti anxiety meds anything that's not earth shattering/ life changing just rolls off me. Love it. Very freeing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 23:33:18 GMT
dealing with anxiety in those areas? I avoid doing/saying things I need to do/say, in order to avoid 'unpleasantness'. I know it's (avoiding conflict) been ingrained in me from when I was very young, but I can't seem to get over or through it. It's holding me back. There wasn't a single ah-ha moment. It was coming to the point I didn't want being held back any more. It became worth it to me to speak my mind. It also helped to discover that just because I did speak up for myself that it wasn't always an unpleasant ending. Very often the "this isn't working for me" confrontation ended with the other party being surprised because they thought that was what I wanted. The more often I spoke up for myself the more in control of my life I have become. And that is very empowering.
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Post by mrsscrapdiva on Dec 29, 2014 23:35:19 GMT
Confrontation and saying what you need to say, I would play it over in my head first. Prepare yourself meaning expect the worse and the best reaction from the other person. Reality test it - is how you are feeling real or perceived. I used to be really bad at just blurting things out and that got me in as much "trouble" as not saying anything. Learn to say things tactfully. Don't get involved in things that don't affect you and try not to get defensive. Keep your cool and breathe. Before you say anything, try to figure out what your expectations are. Is there something that can be identified or solved by you saying something in the first place? Also I usually try to think about it first but don't let too much time go by because that makes confrontation even worse when things continue to go downhill and they are not resolved.
Very often the "this isn't working for me" confrontation ended with the other party being surprised because they thought that was what I wanted. The more often I spoke up for myself the more in control of my life I have become. And that is very empowering
I agree - using terms like above or "I am not getting my needs met" etc.
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Post by lesley on Dec 29, 2014 23:40:18 GMT
Age. I am much more likely to speak my mind at 56 than I was at say 36. , except I'm 51! I have found as I've got older that it's easier to speak up. That doesn't mean I always do it. If I am going to confront someone, I do rehearse it beforehand, and I do consider what I would like the outcome to be.
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Post by tallgirl on Dec 29, 2014 23:56:40 GMT
I am the same way (avoiding confrontation) and was told at work that I need to speak up more. It doesn't come naturally but I make an effort now to do it. The most liberating part of it has been seeing that it doesn't usually end up escalating -it's very possible to disagree on an issue and still be on good terms. I am lucky in that my job usually requires me to disagree with someone 'for the record', I.e. Someone else may have ultimate decision making authority, I just need to register my opinion. Likewise when I make decisions, I take into account others' opinions, but ultimately it's my call to make.
What has helped is practice, practice, practice. You do it once, the world doesn't end, it's easier to do it next time. But I get where you are coming from. It's not easy for some of us.
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Post by theshyone on Dec 30, 2014 1:24:15 GMT
A speaking group like Toastmasters (do they even exist any more?
Age.
Losing all filters due to brain injury.
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sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Dec 30, 2014 1:25:16 GMT
Thanks! I like the suggestions about "not working for me" and deciding what I want to accomplish!
Anxiety meds make me flat. I'm not an anxious person, as a rule.
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Post by valleyview on Dec 30, 2014 1:32:58 GMT
My first line of action in conflict is to remove myself. I totally understand the "not working for me" in that. But, I believe that confrontation often leads to escalation, which is not optimal either. I have found that writing down what I want to say (or retort) also helps me focus my thoughts. I may not use them, but that gets me moving forward.
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Post by tincin on Dec 30, 2014 1:38:00 GMT
When I need to assert myself, I always run over in my head how I will say what I need to say. I try to imagine what the other person will reply and replay the scene in my head until I am satisfied that I can speak without rage and say what I want to say without raising my voice. I try to pick my battle, not nitpick over every little thing. You may need some help to get over the hurdle of first speaking out, role play with a friend or close relative or maybe even consult a therapist. Good luck.
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Post by mallie on Dec 30, 2014 3:20:44 GMT
I think I am hearing that quite a few people equal confrontation with nasty interactions and angry escalations. If so, odds are that you are doing using the wrong techniques to handle problems or you are always working with highly defensive and angry people. Aside from removing yourself from toxic environments/people, when I am leading workshops on the issue, these are my top 2 suggestions:
First off, I'd recommend stop using the word confrontation as that word is loaded with negative connotations for many people. I'd suggest calling it "dealing with problems effectively." Just by changing the descriptive word, you can change your outlook, attitude, and expectations for the interaction.
Secondly, I'd also suggest looking into using the strategies and techniques of diplomacy, rather than confrontation.
Thirdly, if dealing with problems in an open manner is not something you've learned yet, it's important to understand that it is a skill that is acquired only trial and error, practice, failure, success, and more practice. Essentially, it's like learning a foreign language -- you wouldn't expect to become an effective speaker in a new language fast or easily, so don't expect acquiring this new type of speaking to be an overnight miracle.
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Post by hannahruth on Dec 30, 2014 13:18:40 GMT
In a work situation I would not be confrontational but more assertive. There is a huge difference.
I have been in this type of situation which in the end got very ugly and the other person was dismissed. We hade been through mediation with the assistance of the HR department, we had been to a work place psychologist, and had had individual counselling.Nothing seemed to work with this other person so in the end I went to the union and they sorted it for me.
Like I say it got ugly i the en but one of us had to go - and it was not going to be me. Good luck it certainly not a pleasant situation to be in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 13:33:21 GMT
You have to get to a point in your life when you decide enough is enough. And that you are worthy of sticking up for yourself, your beliefs and what you feel is just.
Also, start thinking about making boundaries for yourself. Decide what you will let go and what is absolutely unacceptable from others.
I have been a conflict avoider my entire life. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I've been living with an unhappy, confrontational, debate loving person who has taught me some of his skills. I only use them when absolutely necessary and it's taken a long time for me to realize I'm worth the fight, but it comes in handy at times.
Decide that *you* are worth it and it will come sooner.
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Post by Kerri W on Dec 30, 2014 13:50:55 GMT
For me, and I'm not saying this applies to anybody else, being more assertive and able to voice my wants/expectations was directly related to self esteem. The more I valued myself, the more comfortable I was asserting what I wanted for myself or saying "that doesn't work for me." I had the self esteem to own my own part of a situation, state what I felt was a problem and how it could work differently, then let go of what wasn't mine. I'm not responsible for the other person's feelings or part of the interaction.
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Post by Merge on Dec 30, 2014 15:19:55 GMT
I have had the same issue. My DH, who is very good at dealing with/managing people, suggested this: instead of confronting someone about something they're doing or not doing, ask them instead if they will help you with a problem you are having. Explain the problem in terms of how it affects you or your work or others in general, and solicit their input for solutions. Most people love to be asked to help. They don't love being told what to do. They will frequently volunteer to do what you wanted them to do without your having to say it. I've tried this a few times with co-workers and it's been effective. I've also used it with my kids, with varying success. And I've become aware of when my admin at school is managing ME that way. I can imagine scenarios where it wouldn't work, but with the average work/personal issue it might be worth a shot. It's much less scary than outright confrontation.
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sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Dec 30, 2014 15:45:22 GMT
I think I am hearing that quite a few people equal confrontation with nasty interactions and angry escalations. If so, odds are that you are doing using the wrong techniques to handle problems or you are always working with highly defensive and angry people. Aside from removing yourself from toxic environments/people, when I am leading workshops on the issue, these are my top 2 suggestions: First off, I'd recommend stop using the word confrontation as that word is loaded with negative connotations for many people. I'd suggest calling it "dealing with problems effectively." Just by changing the descriptive word, you can change your outlook, attitude, and expectations for the interaction. Secondly, I'd also suggest looking into using the strategies and techniques of diplomacy, rather than confrontation. Thirdly, if dealing with problems in an open manner is not something you've learned yet, it's important to understand that it is a skill that is acquired only trial and error, practice, failure, success, and more practice. Essentially, it's like learning a foreign language -- you wouldn't expect to become an effective speaker in a new language fast or easily, so don't expect acquiring this new type of speaking to be an overnight miracle. I think I am hearing that quite a few people equal confrontation with nasty interactions and angry escalations. Yes, from childhood interactions with my father. The person I really need to talk to has NEVER spoken to me in a nasty way, so I *KNOW* this is something in ME that's messed up. it's important to understand that it is a skill that is acquired only trial and error, practice, failure, success, and more practice. Essentially, it's like learning a foreign language -- you wouldn't expect to become an effective speaker in a new language fast or easily, so don't expect acquiring this new type of speaking to be an overnight miracle. Yeah, I feel like I need to go to some immersion BOOT CAMP to get accustomed/desensitized to this type of interaction.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 16:04:49 GMT
I had someone in my life who was angry all the time. Holy crap she was angry and eventually I got sick of hearing it. She hated her new landlord so much she was going to get one of ger sister's thug friends to go and beat him up. Yeah. I decided that I have enough happy people in my life that I didn't need or want the negativity. I told her my family was going through some difficulty and when we were through I would contact her. I never contacted her again.
How do I deal with conflict? I used to attack it. Now I take a Japanese approach (passive aggressive) and pretend the other party no longer exists. Sure I would love to scream STFU you effing this or that. I have the choice to ignore and get rid of those kinds of people in my life. It works better and eventually the other party gets the message when I say I'll contact you.
good luck!
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 30, 2014 16:07:57 GMT
Don't confront when angry. Write down your main points beforehand and know exactly what you want to accomplish. Focus on the situation, not the person you are confronting. For example, that you need this or that done within a certain time frame, not "You are always late with paperwork." If the person is behaving badly toward you, like criticizing you in front of others, take them aside and tell them that you don't like it, and it needs to stop. Period. Matter-of-factly.
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Post by Scrapbrat on Dec 31, 2014 14:09:40 GMT
I don't have any advice for you, because over the years I have come to the conclusion that confrontation is overrated. I'm not afraid of it, I've just realized that for me personally it NEVER helps but almost always makes things worse. So now my policy is to sweep everything under the rug. Usually after awhile I find that whatever the issue was doesn't bother me and I'm glad I didn't say anything because then there is no awkwardness with that person and we can just go on our merry way. I agree with this. My mantra is, let it go. I just try not to be so upset about things, especially small things.
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Post by worrywart on Dec 31, 2014 16:07:56 GMT
I agree that I try to let things go when it does not serve a purpose.
Sometimes though, you really do have to be able to stand up for yourself, not necessarily in a rude or confrontational way, but to try and set things right or clarify expectations etc.
Before you act on the issue, think about the possible outcomes. The person may get ticked off and cut off their friendship/relationship with you...are you willing to live with the consequences? People can be unreasonable and get stirred up at any hint of criticism even when it is on base and true.
Start small. Standing up for your needs and expectations in a kind way is not wrong. I agree that being kind, considerate, and diplomatic is the way to handle all confrontations. Good luck, it does take practice...
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Dec 31, 2014 17:24:07 GMT
For me, and I'm not saying this applies to anybody else, being more assertive and able to voice my wants/expectations was directly related to self esteem. The more I valued myself, the more comfortable I was asserting what I wanted for myself or saying "that doesn't work for me." I had the self esteem to own my own part of a situation, state what I felt was a problem and how it could work differently, then let go of what wasn't mine. I'm not responsible for the other person's feelings or part of the interaction. this is totally me, too... I am good at 'compartmentalizing' myself between work and personal. Relating to work, my skills, and my knowledge of the field in which I work, I am pretty good at speaking up and voicing my opinion- because I have the knowledge and experience to back up what I'm saying. On a personal level, though, I am very different. Growing up, in our family, confrontation / interaction of an emotional sort was just not done. Avoidance and burying your feelings was how we dealt with issues, and there wasn't really any 'sticking up for yourself' so to speak. It took me years of on-and-off counseling to understand this about myself, and that it was a result of how I was raised. I still get anxious / upset before interactions of a very personal nature, although age has tempered it somewhat. For me personally, medication has also helped... I suffered from chronic depression undiagnosed for a long time, and I would take the smallest comments personally, get so upseet about things ('why did they say that about ME?' when it really wasn't about me, or 'what did I do to make that person not like me?' because it was so ingrained in me to please everyone and have everyone like me). Going on medication to straighten out my brain chemistry and talking to a counselor has helped me see that it wasn't me at all, not everyone has to- or will- or has to- like me, and that it's OKAY for me not to get along with everyone.
Finally, I would say that most of the time my imagination about how bad things could go is much worse than how they really happen in the end. I can build things up so much in my mind that by the time they really happen, they are almost never as bad as how I imagined the situation would be.
ETA: I have no idea why so much of the text in this post is italicized, and I can seem to un-do it, lol!
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Post by pattif on Dec 31, 2014 18:00:35 GMT
What helped me was enduring the loss of a dear loved one. After the fog lifted, I realized that the cliches are true. Life is too short, etc. But what really made the difference was that I'd made it through something so horrible, so how could any negative results of my being more forthright be any worse.
I haven't become overly vocal, but I'm more inclined to respectfully state my case and even stand my ground.
Key for me, though, is doing 3 things before speaking. Well, one is combined with the other 2. First, prayerful listening. Second, prayerful consideration. Those come first, even if they are short-lived. Sometimes the window of opportunity to speak is small, and I figure if I do, great, but if I don't, that's okay, too.
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