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Post by PEAcan pie on Jun 25, 2015 3:21:04 GMT
My daughter struggled in First grade. She told me she was dumb and did not like school. She seemed to be behind her peers socially. Her Birthday is two weeks before the cut off and some of her friends are a year older, she is the youngest in the class. She had an IQ test and she tested above average but is struggling with reading/writing they tested her for dyslexia but the school is not convinced that is her issue. I had her eyes testing and they found convergence issues and we are now in Vision therapy...coupled with a tutor and I am looking into more testing. She is very shy....does not socialize easily at all. She is left out from what I can see. She plays by herself a lot. I have organized so many play dates and social occasions to help her along. I am thinking she needs to be held back bit I am so worried she will be teased Her teacher is not quite sure that is the answer but I have been observing her and paying close attention and I just think she needs one more year of social maturity and therapy/tutoring to give her confidence. I approached her about it and she seemed very receptive/almost relieved and I hope she does not change her mind. Any thoughts? Girls are already clicky and not very nice to her. She is absolutely beautiful sweet and kind. But lacks confidence.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 25, 2015 3:26:07 GMT
My cousin kept her dd back either at 1st or 2nd grade. It was the beat thing for her dd. She was no longer struggling in school and was much better adapted socially.
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Post by mom on Jun 25, 2015 3:28:03 GMT
Mommas usually know best. Trust your gut.
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Post by samantha25 on Jun 25, 2015 3:33:06 GMT
I have b/g twins going into first grade. They are one of the youngest in the class. My son seems to lack the social aspect, but is tops academically. Daughter is middle of the road. They both love school. Holding the young ones back is definitely an option and I think easier at a younger age. I believe that my twins will be ok going forward. I volunteered every week during Kindergarten and witnessed a girl who started in first grade, but after a few weeks went back to K, and she thrived and had many friends. It may be good thing for her to gain confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 3:33:30 GMT
Mommas usually know best. Trust your gut. yep. I would hold her back based on what you're saying. And it seems that you'd be most comfortable with it. Trust your mama instinct.
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Post by roxley on Jun 25, 2015 3:37:38 GMT
I worked in an elementary school for 14 years and helped to make the decisions to hold kids back. I have never seen a child hurt by it in first grade. In first grade they adapt easily and the other kids have always treated them well. If she is right at cut off she isn't going to be too old. My daughter was right at cut off and we actually started her the later year. Extra maturity never hurts, especially as they become teens. I always look at it as you don't regret giving them that extra year but you could regret it if you don't retain and they don't do well. After first grade there are a lot more negatives to holding kids back.
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Post by alissa103 on Jun 25, 2015 3:37:34 GMT
I don't have any advice, but my mama heart is feeling sympathy for you both. Just wanted to give you a virtual hug!
(I have a DS who has some delays, so hearing about your dd struggling pulls at my heartstrings)
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Post by PEAcan pie on Jun 25, 2015 3:42:11 GMT
My cousin kept her dd back either at 1st or 2nd grade. It was the beat thing for her dd. She was no longer struggling in school and was much better adapted socially. I love to hear this and glad she adapted well. Thanks for sharing. I now wish I did not try so hard to help her make friends in her grade...I am friends with a lot of the moms and the kids know her and will probably wonder/ask why etc... I know we both will miss some of them. Hoping this does not make her feel bad and backfire on her. If only we could switch school districts.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 25, 2015 3:45:21 GMT
I would and I did hold ds back in first. It was recommended by his teacher. His next 1st grade teacher told us it was the best thing we could have done for him. Ds is turning. 14 tomorrow. I asked him a couple months ago if he regrets us doing that. He said it's barely a blip on his radar, he doesn't even give it a second thought. He was never teased. He's made plenty of friends, does well in school and sports. He's not quite the oldest, he's nearly the tallest but not glaringly so. He was upset we first told him but we made it clear it wasn't a reflection on him, we, as his parents, decided to give him an extra year of practice. He was ok by fall.
Ds2 will turn 5 this fall 2 days before cutoff. We're giving him the extra year before starting kindergarten to,hopefully avoid issues down the road. But I have no regrets holding ds1 back, even though people (including my father who was also held back in 1st and apparently teased mercilessly about it) tried to talk us out of it.
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Post by akathy on Jun 25, 2015 3:45:54 GMT
Mommas usually know best. Trust your gut. I couldn't agree more. Your know your child better than anyone.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Jun 25, 2015 3:46:10 GMT
I don't have any advice, but my mama heart is feeling sympathy for you both. Just wanted to give you a virtual hug! (I have a DS who has some delays, so hearing about your dd struggling pulls at my heartstrings) Aww thank you so sweet.. made me cry. I have had so many sleepless night trying to figure out why she cannot spell/read well and why she seems to lag behind in speech/social skills. I watched her push a swing (not swing in it) for at least five minutes all by herself while other kids played together. It just killed me...
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Post by kate on Jun 25, 2015 3:47:57 GMT
Is it possible to get her a psycho-educational evaluation over the summer? If all she needs is a bit of a boost from tutoring and normal maturing, then repeating first grade is probably a good option. If it's a learning difference, then holding her back won't suffice.
How flexible is your school? Our school had a child who was held back in Kindergarten for maturation reasons (he's a smart kid - nobody argued about that!) - he grew in his own time, thrived, and was put back with his original class for 3rd grade. That was a few years ago, and he's doing great. If your school is willing to work with your DD to make sure she's in the place for her optimum growth, then there's no reason not to try her in 1st grade again - especially if she's amenable.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Jun 25, 2015 3:50:37 GMT
I worked in an elementary school for 14 years and helped to make the decisions to hold kids back. I have never seen a child hurt by it in first grade. In first grade they adapt easily and the other kids have always treated them well. If she is right at cut off she isn't going to be too old. My daughter was right at cut off and we actually started her the later year. Extra maturity never hurts, especially as they become teens. I always look at it as you don't regret giving them that extra year but you could regret it if you don't retain and they don't do well. After first grade there are a lot more negatives to holding kids back. Thank you for that advice and wisdom. That is how I feel... I just wished I held her back before kindy. It seems like everyone is older than her and I know it bothers her:(
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Post by hookedonpeas on Jun 25, 2015 3:55:35 GMT
My brother was held back in 1st grade. It was definitely the best thing for him and even though he was involved with sports the social aspect wasn't an issue at all. For him it was dyslexia along with immaturity and ADHD. He ended up with a tutor until he graduated high school, taking main stream classes and then immediately went on to college and earned a bachelors in history. He is currently 33 years old and working in Special Ed and working towards his masters... All without medication. Overall, I know he would agree it was the best thing, and mothers (and fathers) intuition was right on.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Jun 25, 2015 3:56:24 GMT
The interesting thing is I had a heart to heart with my eleven year old son and asked him if he thought she lacked socially and because of her late Birthday should we hold her back etc. He absolutely agreed with me and confirmed my fears. He told me she does not have friends on the bus etc. My eleven year old is completely opposite and has tons of confidence/friends etc. He worries for her.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Jun 25, 2015 4:01:52 GMT
Is it possible to get her a psycho-educational evaluation over the summer? If all she needs is a bit of a boost from tutoring and normal maturing, then repeating first grade is probably a good option. If it's a learning difference, then holding her back won't suffice. How flexible is your school? Our school had a child who was held back in Kindergarten for maturation reasons (he's a smart kid - nobody argued about that!) - he grew in his own time, thrived, and was put back with his original class for 3rd grade. That was a few years ago, and he's doing great. If your school is willing to work with your DD to make sure she's in the place for her optimum growth, then there's no reason not to try her in 1st grade again - especially if she's amenable. I am meeting with a pediatric neuro Dr. on 7/1... not sure I want to bounce her back up if we commit to holding back. Just want her to start building friendships and her place in this world and stay there. But I understand what you mean.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Jun 25, 2015 4:04:51 GMT
My brother was held back in 1st grade. It was definitely the best thing for him and even though he was involved with sports the social aspect wasn't an issue at all. For him it was dyslexia along with immaturity and ADHD. He ended up with a tutor until he graduated high school, taking main stream classes and then immediately went on to college and earned a bachelors in history. He is currently 33 years old and working in Special Ed and working towards his masters... All without medication. Overall, I know he would agree it was the best thing, and mothers (and fathers) intuition was right on. I love reading this. Ultimately I just want her to be happy and do well in school. Sounds like it was the best decision for your brother.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 25, 2015 4:31:34 GMT
{{{hugs}}}
We seriously talked about holding DD back in first grade and were discouraged by the principal & school psych. It took us until third grade to get her fully diagnosed with an Auditory Processing Disorder even with her K teacher pointing us clearly in that direction. DD ended up with her K teacher again in 2nd grade which was the biggest reason we did not hold her back. DD was so relieved to be going to a teacher that already knew her.
I think you need to trust your gut especially if your DD is not socially connected to the class, but you also need to push for a reason why she is struggling. The best thing we did for DD was outside testing through a Behavioral Psychologist and an Audiologist.
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Post by worrywart on Jun 25, 2015 4:45:16 GMT
My brother had my niece repeat kindergarten! She was a younger student (August) and was not yet that emotionally mature. Wow, what a difference it made for her. She is now going into 3rd grade, has come out of her shell, loves school and has made some friends.
Good luck with your decision...honestly don't worry too much about the other kids. Most children accept things quickly and move on once they get the information they need.
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Post by Peal on Jun 25, 2015 4:46:53 GMT
I was talked out of holding DS back in first grade. We were moving and it would have been seamless. So he struggled through school. I broached the subject with his new school after third grade and again was told it wasn't the correct thing to do. So DS kept struggling and the school tested for everything up to dyslexia but wouldn't test for that. Finally after 6th grade in middle school where he was failing every subject and was getting physically I'll at school over the stress I put my foot down and did what I knew was right. Outside testing finally gave us a difinitve dx of dyslexia and as we were moving again he redid 6th grade in a new school. He was the youngest in his class so no one notices the age difference and the extra year gave him some of the maturity he was lacking. He still struggles but is doing much better. But I will always regret not following my gut after 1st grade. It could have possibly saved us so much grief.
Do what you feel is best.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Jun 25, 2015 4:50:17 GMT
{{{hugs}}} We seriously talked about holding DD back in first grade and were discouraged by the principal & school psych. It took us until third grade to get her fully diagnosed with an Auditory Processing Disorder even with her K teacher pointing us clearly in that direction. DD ended up with her K teacher again in 2nd grade which was the biggest reason we did not hold her back. DD was so relieved to be going to a teacher that already knew her. I think you need to trust your gut especially if your DD is not socially connected to the class, but you also need to push for a reason why she is struggling. The best thing we did for DD was outside testing through a Behavioral Psychologist and an Audiologist. Wow read up and Auditory Processing Disorder and a lot of the symptoms remind me of my Daughter. How is your DD now? I need to do more research..testing and learn more about this.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 25, 2015 6:07:15 GMT
Wow read up and Auditory Processing Disorder and a lot of the symptoms remind me of my Daughter. How is your DD now? I need to do more research..testing and learn more about this. My sweet little baby graduated from HS two weeks ago . Her story did get a little worse before getting tons better. It really was her K teacher that told me within 6 weeks that she thought there was a processing issue. DD couldn't "hear" rhyming words. If you asked her to give you a word that rhymed with dog she would say cat. She quickly memorized rhyming pairs and learned the right answer for a word that rhymed with dog was frog, which complicated things a bit. It hid the problem but did nothing for ability to translate letters to sounds and learn to read. She was diagnosed with a nonspecific communication disorder before the APD diagnosis, so started working with a Speech Therapist in 2nd grade. We had to go outside the school district to an Audiologist to get the full diagnosis. DD has both input and output deficits and it did take her longer than other kids to process and answer a question and sometimes she would say the exact opposite of what she meant. In addition to the APD that we expected to hear, she was also diagnosed with ADHD Inattentive Type which we did not expect. The two often go together and there is definite overlap, so more often the ADHD is diagnosed and they stop looking for something else. Our first SLP in WA was fabulous. We moved to CA in 4th grade and the services were provided by a parapro and consisted of worksheets. She was sooo unhappy, had no confidence and we decided to pull her out and homeschool through a charter school for a couple of years. This was absolutely the best decision ever. We had speech therapy through the school district with a fabulous SLP and I cried when she exited out in 7th grade. Night and day difference in services and this SLP was always giving me tips and things to work on with DD at home. DD transitioned back into school in 7th grade. She is confident, has a great set of friends and graduated with a 3.65 GPA.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 25, 2015 6:08:51 GMT
A friend of mine held her son back in Year 1. He was mortified at the the time, and they really struggled with the decision, but it really was the best thing for him. As far as I know he did not get teased at all. Initially he still played with his mates from his original year level but by the end of the year, and certainly by the following year, he was mainly hanging out with the kids in his new year level. His issues were definitely maturity related.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jun 25, 2015 6:11:05 GMT
Trust your instincts. A new friendship group might be what she needs too.
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Post by dantemia on Jun 25, 2015 6:23:38 GMT
Not the same but my son has a August birthday, we has him do K at one school BUT we knew we wanted him to go to a different school so we had him repeat K at a different school. He did have speech delays early on but the extra year has helped him so much!
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Post by scrapqueen01 on Jun 25, 2015 6:41:36 GMT
My dd started first grade but was struggling with reading. She didn't understand the sounds letters made and how they fit together. The school suggested I put her back in kindergarten. Dd visited the class one day and loved it. She's 11 now and thanks me for putting her back. She is going into 5th and reads on a 7th grade level.
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Post by georgiee on Jun 25, 2015 8:21:57 GMT
Teachers and principals don't always have the kids best interest first. Some schools are penalized for the amount of students they hold back. I once worked in a school system like that. It is so sad that performance numbers matter more. Listen to your gut
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Post by wellway on Jun 25, 2015 8:45:44 GMT
For the sake of fourteen days she would have been in a different year group. Listen to you gut, I think she will benefit from being the oldest in the next group, she will have the advantage of knowing the lie of the land and can become a little helper to the younger ones in the new group, that has to help her self esteem. Good luck
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Post by emelle64 on Jun 25, 2015 11:05:24 GMT
I have 2 children ages 20 and 16 and both are some of the oldest in their classes. (Our cut-offs are different in Canada). In particular our DD who turned 20 in February is almost a year older than some of her classmates in university and it has only helped her. We have watched her roommates struggle and realized that the extra year makes a huge difference to their maturity and their social ability to handle university. It's not only about academic abilities. In our DDs case there was talk of bumping her ahead when she was in grade one and we said no. Both my sister and my college roommate are teachers and both have children born within two months of the cut-off and both said the same thing to us-it's not always about the academic ability but about the social/maturity aspect. They both held their children back.
I know these are individual examples and perhaps don't apply to your child but thought the long term perspective was important too. I think as a parent you know your child better than anyone else and I would say go with your gut.
Emelle
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Post by blue tulip on Jun 25, 2015 11:41:51 GMT
I can't speak from personal experience, but one of my son's best friends (mom and I are friends too, and have talked about it) is dealing with the effects of NOT being held back right now. he's entering 5th grade, and is the youngest in his class by far- some kids are 10.5 months older than him. he is more immature compared to most of the class, both in interests and emotionally, and finds it hard to make friends. he's struggling a lot with the classwork, had tutoring for half of last year and is going all summer. mom wishes she had held him back at the beginning. now, at 5th grade, everyone feels it would harm his self esteem and social abilities too much to hold him back, so they are doing intensive tutoring to try to "catch him up".
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