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Post by elaine on Jul 29, 2015 11:03:12 GMT
The league announced yesterday that Tom's 4 game suspension would be upheld and also released the information that Brady had his assistant destroy his cell phone right before meeting with the Wells Report investigators.
Because most innocent people I know, who could also use their text history to prove their innocence, destroy their phone that investigators are asking to look at. Not.
I wish Brady had just manned-up when this all started and it would be over by now.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jul 29, 2015 11:13:02 GMT
I totally agree.
But I also see a parallel with Hillary Clinton destroying her server and email trail and the stakes are much higher but where's the outrage?
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Jul 29, 2015 11:19:48 GMT
Yup. USAToday agrees:
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Nanner
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Post by Nanner on Jul 29, 2015 12:08:03 GMT
ugh. FUCK! At every stage of this whole thing, I get more disappointed and disgusted with what was previously "my" team.
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Post by elaine on Jul 29, 2015 12:11:37 GMT
I totally agree. But I also see a parallel with Hillary Clinton destroying her server and email trail and the stakes are much higher but where's the outrage? I am talking about football and not politics on purpose. If you want to talk politics, please feel free to start a politics thread. Or, at least if you feel the need to make this a politics thread, don't criticize me for choosing not to talk about it on a thread I started to discuss football.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Jul 29, 2015 12:13:27 GMT
Unbelievable. Yet totally believable. Another rich, powerful so and so who refuses to just follow the rules. The destruction of his good name is the thing that will hurt him most, and the knowledge that he brought it upon himself.
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Post by elaine on Jul 29, 2015 12:15:39 GMT
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jul 29, 2015 12:16:26 GMT
I love youth sports, high school sports, and collegiate sports. I despise the money and hype that goes with professional sports. With all the contracts and money that's at stake in what has become more business than sports, why anyone is surprised that people cheat lie, dope, and more is beyond me.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jul 29, 2015 12:52:00 GMT
Tom Brady's statement:
“I am very disappointed by the NFL’s decision to uphold the 4 game suspension against me. I did nothing wrong, and no one in the Patriots organization did either. “Despite submitting to hours of testimony over the past 6 months, it is disappointing that the Commissioner upheld my suspension based upon a standard that it was “probable” that I was “generally aware” of misconduct. The fact is that neither I, nor any equipment person, did anything of which we have been accused. He dismissed my hours of testimony and it is disappointing that he found it unreliable. “I also disagree with yesterdays narrative surrounding my cellphone. I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances. As a member of a union, I was under no obligation to set a new precedent going forward, nor was I made aware at any time during Mr. Wells investigation, that failing to subject my cell phone to investigation would result in ANY discipline. “Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure before this issue was raised at the AFC Championship game in January. To suggest that I destroyed a phone to avoid giving the NFL information it requested is completely wrong. “To try and reconcile the record and fully cooperate with the investigation after I was disciplined in May, we turned over detailed pages of cell phone records and all of the emails that Mr. Wells requested. We even contacted the phone company to see if there was any possible way we could retrieve any/all of the actual text messages from my old phone. In short, we exhausted every possibility to give the NFL everything we could and offered to go thru the identity for every text and phone call during the relevant time. Regardless, the NFL knows that Mr. Wells already had ALL relevant communications with Patriots personnel that either Mr. Wells saw or that I was questioned about in my appeal hearing. There is no “smoking gun” and this controversy is manufactured to distract from the fact they have zero evidence of wrongdoing. “I authorized the NFLPA to make a settlement offer to the NFL so that we could avoid going to court and put this inconsequential issue behind us as we move forward into this season. The discipline was upheld without any counter offer. I respect the Commissioners authority, but he also has to respect the CBA and my rights as a private citizen. I will not allow my unfair discipline to become a precedent for other NFL players without a fight. “Lastly, I am overwhelmed and humbled by the support of family, friends and our fans who have supported me since the false accusations were made after the AFC Championship game. I look forward to the opportunity to resume playing with my teammates and winning more games for the New England Patriots.”
Personally, I think this is a witch hunt. If I were in Brady's shoes, there would be NO WAY I'd be handing my cell phone over to the NFL so unrelated materials would just happen to "leak". The NFL home office is a damn sieve with press quoting "unnamed" sources right and left. Brady could have texts on there trashing everyone on the team (not saying he does) and they would somehow make their way to the press with a "my bad" from the NFL offices. No way they'd be getting my phone. If I were Brady, I'd continue to fight this.
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Post by julieb on Jul 29, 2015 12:55:06 GMT
He got off easy. Cheater.
“To try and reconcile the record and fully cooperate with the investigation after I was disciplined in May, we turned over detailed pages of cell phone records and all of the emails that Mr. Wells requested. We even contacted the phone company to see if there was any possible way we could retrieve any/all of the actual text messages from my old phone. So where is the phone? It's not broken - it's destroyed.
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Post by barbarac on Jul 29, 2015 12:56:24 GMT
Why can't they just look at the phones of the people Brady supposedly sent the texts too?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 12:58:16 GMT
What a moron! Did he honestly think no one would find out about the destroyed cell phone? And that people would just accept his lame excuse for it?
Even if he doesn't care what fans and the general public think about him, does he care about the example he's setting for his own kids? They're going to read about this one day and wonder how their dad could be such a lying liar, especially if he expects honesty out of them.
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Jul 29, 2015 13:00:08 GMT
I've heard many sports analysts say if they were Tom Brady (or other big name) they wouldn't have turned over their phone either. He has a high profile family and that phone would be full of personal information and pictures. Considering how often things get "leaked" it was probably too risky. Not saying there wasn't incriminating stuff on there, but it sounds like they had what they thought they needed and then changed their mind.
Who knows...the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
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Post by elaine on Jul 29, 2015 13:03:40 GMT
Why can't they just look at the phones of the people Brady supposedly sent the texts too? Because they don't know everyone that Brady sent texts to about it. Did he text other Patriots' staff? Did he talk with other players? They have records of the ball boys text conversations, but don't know specifically who else to look at.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jul 29, 2015 13:07:30 GMT
I totally agree. But I also see a parallel with Hillary Clinton destroying her server and email trail and the stakes are much higher but where's the outrage? I am talking about football and not politics on purpose. If you want to talk politics, please feel free to start a politics thread. Or, at least if you feel the need to make this a politics thread, don't criticize me for choosing not to talk about it on a thread I started to discuss football. Sorry, must have missed the memo on the rules of posting at the nsbr. My comment is an analogy, which immediately came to my mind when the news about the destruction of the cell phone was released. I have made similar analogies on the Cosby threads with Sandusky. As far as I am concerned the earth can open up and swallow up the entire National Felons League. My only concern would be for the hard working people who would lose their jobs at the stadiums.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Jul 29, 2015 13:11:52 GMT
"I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances..."
Meaning, after my attorneys told the NFL to stuff it and that they wouldn't be getting their hands on my phone.
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Post by amom23 on Jul 29, 2015 13:13:57 GMT
It's just really hard to feel sorry for him. Even my DS13 thinks Tom is guilty.
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Post by trollie on Jul 29, 2015 14:28:48 GMT
I knew he had messed around with his balls!
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Post by hop2 on Jul 29, 2015 14:51:14 GMT
DeflateGATE, turkeyGATE, bridgeGATE etc. who would have thought that a 'minor' break in to a single suite in a random hotel in 1972 would forever have an impact on our culture and language!!!
One never knows how one small action can make changes and influence things in an ongoing way. ( for good or bad )
I just find it fascinating.
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Post by donna on Jul 29, 2015 15:43:55 GMT
I am not that technology savvy, but would the phone carrier have access to the text messages?
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Post by cycworker on Jul 29, 2015 15:43:53 GMT
I know they won't but I wish the courts would refuse to hear this case. The nfl should have the right to use its own discretion where the rules of the game are concerned.
Brady is a cheater. Instead of whining about the 4 game suspension he should be grateful it wasn't longer
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Post by hop2 on Jul 29, 2015 15:49:55 GMT
I am not that technology savvy, but would the phone carrier have access to the text messages? Possibly if They were served with a subpoena. Without a subpoena I doubt the phine carrier would bother.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 15:55:30 GMT
I'm a Colts fan, so I'm a bit more invested than the average NFL fan on this one. I've felt frustrated all along that it seemed Goodell was looking for ways to let the Patriots and Tom off the hook. You have a rule or you don't have a rule ... but you don't have a rule and not enforce it evenly.
And I honestly think the commissioner tried to be lenient. He tried to help his buddies. But when you willfully destroy evidence, what choice does Goodell or the sports community have but to think you are guilty? Highly confidential information on other topics or not on that phone, an attorney should be able to secure enough privacy to prove Tom's innocence ... if that's the truth.
I may not be a high-powered NFL quarterback married to a supermodel, but damned if there aren't things on my text list that would embarrass me if they got out, too. And damned if I wouldn't still risk it to clear my name in an accusation that could cost me in my career and highly paid endorsements.
So yah. I don't think I'm terribly biased any more to declare Tom Brady guilty of cheating.
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Post by elaine on Jul 29, 2015 16:03:27 GMT
I am not that technology savvy, but would the phone carrier have access to the text messages? Possibly if They were served with a subpoena. Without a subpoena I doubt the phine carrier would bother. I doubt that they would in this case since no one was injured/killed, etc., and since Brady is the one suing the NFL. All not having the phone now does is make his case of unjust punishment weaker. According to collective bargaining agreement that the players agreed to, the commissioner (Goodell) has the right to punish behavior that is detrimental to the integrity of the game using his own discretion. I think at this point Brady would have to have strong evidence that he didn't do anything, or have any idea that the balls were being deflated, to win his case. Without his phone, it will be harder to do. Because, at this point he will have to prove that Goodell was unjust in punishing him at all. And there is already a mountain of circumstantial evidence pointing to Brady at least knowing about the balls.
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Post by sabrinae on Jul 29, 2015 16:50:58 GMT
I am not that technology savvy, but would the phone carrier have access to the text messages? Possibly if They were served with a subpoena. Without a subpoena I doubt the phione carrier would bother. The records of the texts are probably gone at this point even from the phone carrier. The carriers only keep messages and data in general for 30-60 days and then dump it. So unless either Brady or the NFL requested that the save the data it's likely gone.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 29, 2015 16:57:51 GMT
1) I'm not sure in would have turned the phone over either. Not sure what else was on it, but it would be my private stuff. 2) why didn't they fix the footballs during the game? 3) I don't give a damn if Brady is suspended or not, I like ncaa football
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 29, 2015 17:00:41 GMT
"I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances..." Meaning, after my attorneys told the NFL to stuff it and that they wouldn't be getting their hands on my phone. Given that they are able to locate the two phones he used prior to the "broken Samsung" that was destroyed rather than just replaced, at the very least Brady supporters have to realize this leaves the perception that there was something to hide and evidence was deliberately destroyed. I like what Bob Costas said this morning: "It's always the cover-up rather than the crime,'' Costas told Matt Lauer and Savannah Guthrie on TODAY Wednesday. "I've been thinking from the beginning, why didn't he just say, 'Look, the equipment people knew I wanted the footballs at the lowest permissible end of inflation. If accidentally or purposely they went beyond that, I take responsibility for it because I communicated my preference, but I didn't order him to do that.''
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 29, 2015 17:07:44 GMT
This is very well-written.
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Post by ginacivey on Jul 29, 2015 19:01:06 GMT
just take the suspension and move on ....ffs
all this makes him look even more guilty
people have short attention spans ..if ya just deal with it and keep your mouth shut
i mean hell - brett favre had his number retired and entered into the Packer HOF
enough time goes by and people forget and welcome you with open arms again
gina
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 29, 2015 19:06:52 GMT
ugh. FUCK! At every stage of this whole thing, I get more disappointed and disgusted with what was previously "my" team. I'm sorry Nanner. I know that we take pride in our teams and want to believe they wouldn't do something like this. So I get your disappointment
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