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Post by alittleintrepid on Aug 20, 2015 14:04:19 GMT
Josh Duggar may have had a few supporters here before today, but I'm sure nobody will come forward now and make excuses for him. I'm as anti-adultery as they come but I find it vomitous that people could excuse away the molesting but this is what will cost him support. People have some seriously messed up moral compasses.
And for those who asked, there was a very long thread a little while ago with peas excusing his behaviour.
I agree completely that it's reprehensible that this may be the thing that costs him support. I'm obviously not Georgiapea but I suspect her point might be that he continuous to be a douchebag.... The Duggar apologists tried to say that "he was just a kid" and "experimenting" so now even those week arguments don't hold.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Aug 20, 2015 14:18:03 GMT
No fan of the Duggers - in fact I'm kind of ashamed at how gleeful I have been about their downfall. But I'm not really ok with hacking web sites and posting the information for everyone to see. Today it's Ashley Madison, but what is it tomorrow? IRS and OPM had their web sites hacked - it is not OK for the info the hackers obtained to post it online. The hacking itself is a crime. I agree and it's something not that's being talked about as much.
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Post by winogirl on Aug 20, 2015 14:26:35 GMT
The jury is still out for me on this. These two are easy targets and considering how they were just recently caught regarding sexual crimes, this release seems too neatly wrapped up for me to believe quite yet. I haven't followed the hacking of the website that much , so if they've released other people's names in a similar fashion, I might be more inclined to accept this as truth. Jared's has nothing to do with hacking or Ashely Madison. You should probably read up on the data dump before you comment, they have released *everyone's* names in a similar fashion. This. ^
I think there is some confusion because the title of this thread lumps Jared Fogle and Josh Duggar's names together but these incidents are entirely unrelated. Even I had to do a double take because I never heard of the Ashley Madison website.
Jared Fogle was caught by the FBI in a child porn raid.
Josh Duggar was a client on Ashley Madison, a website for married people to find extramarital affairs and was outed when that website was hacked.
Completely unrelated and I hope that clarifies things.
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Post by freebird on Aug 20, 2015 14:46:13 GMT
95% sure this will be Josh's response.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 14:49:55 GMT
Ah I see. But surely there must have been another way to do this than to put millions of innocent people at risk of the consequences that will prevail. I just feel really sorry for all those children and partners, for that matter, that are on the verge of having their whole life destroyed by this if they leak these unconfirmed e-mail addresses. From what I understand AM don't check the authenticity of the e mail addresses, so they ( the hackers) have no way of knowing if it's a genuine one or that it actually belongs to the named person. I could use any e mail I like but it doesn't really confirm it's actually me. But isn't knowledge power for these innocent people? It may not be the best way to find out, but I would think that it's better to know the asshole you thought was faithful is actually a lying and cheating scumbag? Then they can pick up the pieces, distance themselves from the cheaters and move on to a prosperous, healthy, cheater free life? The initial discovery would definitely be horrible but surely a good thing in the end? everyone is different and everyone has different capabilities in life to process something like this you're also assuming that everyone signed up is currently an asshole what about people who may have died since they signed up and their family finds out now what about marriages who have reconciled what about people who signed up last year but quit the site and just found a partner this year and are about to get married there is not just one clear black and white story of asshole that you can assume everyone falls under
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Post by grinningcat on Aug 20, 2015 14:54:39 GMT
But isn't knowledge power for these innocent people? It may not be the best way to find out, but I would think that it's better to know the asshole you thought was faithful is actually a lying and cheating scumbag? Then they can pick up the pieces, distance themselves from the cheaters and move on to a prosperous, healthy, cheater free life? The initial discovery would definitely be horrible but surely a good thing in the end? everyone is different and everyone has different capabilities in life to process something like this you're also assuming that everyone signed up is currently an asshole what about people who may have died since they signed up and their family finds out now what about marriages who have reconciled what about people who signed up last year but quit the site and just found a partner this year and are about to get married there is not just one clear black and white story of asshole that you can assume everyone falls under Yes everyone is different. You don't think anyone who signs up for this site is an asshole? They want to cheat on their spouse? That's an asshole in my book. People who have died might be the only exception but still those left behind should know to be tested. I don't understand marriages that can reconcile after this (what I see as the) ultimate betrayal. I don't think cheaters deserve redemption. I would have a really hard time accepting and forgiving and reconciling if my partner cheated on me. Isn't there a saying, once a cheater always a cheater? I'd want to know if my partner cheated previously, as it likely determines if he'd cheat again. There isn't a black and white answer, but cheating on a partner is unforgivable. And I don't think these people should get away with it.
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Post by Lozi on Aug 20, 2015 15:03:34 GMT
Another article about Josh Duggar in the UK press: Daily Mail
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Post by scrapmaven on Aug 20, 2015 15:24:19 GMT
Anna was raised to breed and obey. She wasn't raised to stand up and take care of herself and her children. That she married an admitted child molester speaks volumes about either her lack of common sense or inability to defy her father's orders. Though she needs to hire a good lawyer and family therapist for both she and her kids, I'm guessing she'll stand by her man, because she's supposed to be forgiving and doesn't know how to be independent. Tragic that these children had no choice in their mother's arranged marriage. Did he learn this depravity from Jim Bob? I'm waiting for Josh to come out and discuss how G-d plans to heal his sexual addiction. Those poor babies. Give them good parents and lots of appropriate love. scrapmaven you are one of my favourite Peas . I always agree with you BUT do you think he is addicted or just a sicko? I am wondering because Michael Douglas and David Duchovny both went into rehab for "sex addiction" and they so far don't have profiles on Ashley Madison being released. I think Josh Duggar is sick. He is a child molester and a pervert. Is he addicted to sex? i am not sure. He is into risky behaviour for sure. Is he doing it all the time? I don't know. His wife I hope to G-d that He protects her and the children. I also hope that G-d takes care of Josh. I hope you are doing well scrapmaven. I don't see you in here much, but I do think of you often and know things you struggle with. I pray that things are coasting along. Not bad, not getting worse just coasting. Thank you for your very sweet words. As for Josh Duggar I agree that he is a perverted predator, but I'm guessing he'll attribute it to sexual addiction, because he needs to try and worm his way out of this. He's a creep.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 20, 2015 15:31:57 GMT
scrapmaven you are one of my favourite Peas . I always agree with you BUT do you think he is addicted or just a sicko? I am wondering because Michael Douglas and David Duchovny both went into rehab for "sex addiction" and they so far don't have profiles on Ashley Madison being released. I think Josh Duggar is sick. He is a child molester and a pervert. Is he addicted to sex? i am not sure. He is into risky behaviour for sure. Is he doing it all the time? I don't know. His wife I hope to G-d that He protects her and the children. I also hope that G-d takes care of Josh. I hope you are doing well scrapmaven. I don't see you in here much, but I do think of you often and know things you struggle with. I pray that things are coasting along. Not bad, not getting worse just coasting. Thank you for your very sweet words. As for Josh Duggar I agree that he is a perverted predator, but I'm guessing he'll attribute it to sexual addiction, because he needs to try and worm his way out of this. He's a creep. Having watched a family member deal with addiction I feel every person and family is entitled to some privacy as they deal with their demons. But I'm finding it hard to extend that sympathy to someone like him who has been so rude, judgmental and cruel about the lifestyles of others - and made money doing it. Have his supporters made public statements yet?
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Post by metaldancer on Aug 20, 2015 15:40:33 GMT
Not at all surprised that Josh Duggar got caught - again!!
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Post by moveablefeast on Aug 20, 2015 15:42:13 GMT
Thank you for your very sweet words. As for Josh Duggar I agree that he is a perverted predator, but I'm guessing he'll attribute it to sexual addiction, because he needs to try and worm his way out of this. He's a creep. Having watched a family member deal with addiction I feel every person and family is entitled to some privacy as they deal with their demons. But I'm finding it hard to extend that sympathy to someone like him who has been so rude, judgmental and cruel about the lifestyles of others - and made money doing it. I think this is how I feel about it too. I fully understand the need for compassion in this world, but I feel the same way about Josh Duggar as I did about Bristol Palin - don't you dare get up there and make a fine living telling everyone else how to live their lives when you yourself are incapable of keeping your own house in order. In my opinion Josh Duggar is no longer a reliable spokesman for marital and family life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 15:58:46 GMT
everyone is different and everyone has different capabilities in life to process something like this you're also assuming that everyone signed up is currently an asshole what about people who may have died since they signed up and their family finds out now what about marriages who have reconciled what about people who signed up last year but quit the site and just found a partner this year and are about to get married there is not just one clear black and white story of asshole that you can assume everyone falls under Yes everyone is different. You don't think anyone who signs up for this site is an asshole? They want to cheat on their spouse? That's an asshole in my book. People who have died might be the only exception but still those left behind should know to be tested. I don't understand marriages that can reconcile after this (what I see as the) ultimate betrayal. I don't think cheaters deserve redemption. I would have a really hard time accepting and forgiving and reconciling if my partner cheated on me. Isn't there a saying, once a cheater always a cheater? I'd want to know if my partner cheated previously, as it likely determines if he'd cheat again. There isn't a black and white answer, but cheating on a partner is unforgivable. And I don't think these people should get away with it. You believe that and that is what you would do. but you,me or anyone else including the hackers do not have the right to expect everyone else to abide by our moral standing. People are free to do what they like and if a wife/husband thinks her/his marriage is worth saving who are we to pass judgement on their decision. I have to admit I would find it difficult to trust if I had experienced infidelity but I do know two couples that have gone through this and things have really worked out for them. I also know someone that it hasn't because she lost the trust and couldn't get rid of the doubts that was always on her mind every time her husband spoke to another female for whatever the reason. And as for what raindancer said earlier about someone doing it for personal revenge that to me is sad. You can't blame others for what you have experienced when they have no direct involvement into your plight. What the hackers are doing is blackmailing the company......shut the site down or we'll tell the world who uses you!
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Post by twinks on Aug 20, 2015 17:15:49 GMT
Josh Duggar is creepy. This latest makes the Jim Bob and Josh sex talk right before Josh married Anna even more weird and creepy. It was weird when it aired. They were trying to portray Josh as so innocent and naive - I call BS on that. They were trying to make Josh appear that way because they had so much to hide about Josh.
I feel sorry for Anna and her children. She is stuck in the situation without a way out because I don't think the Duggars or her family will be supportive of her leaving. I feel even worse for his daughters.
It does bother me that Jim Bob and Michelle aren't really focusing on Josh's victims. What creeps me out the most is a video clip that I saw after it was known that Josh sexually abused his sisters. It shows Jim Bob with his arm around Michelle talking to Josh and he says, "You are a good son." Sends shivers up my spine.
The other one that totally creeps me out is Ben. I get the same vibes from him as I do Jim Bob and Josh. I feel sorry for Jessa because I think she has married someone who will abuse her because she doesn't know any better. She sees what is "normal" around her house with her parents and she is one of Josh's victims.
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 20, 2015 17:18:29 GMT
I was of the belief that they were doing it to expose the fact that AM said they were deleting profiles when requested but actually weren't and also to expose the failure of the so-called super security of the site. Ah I see. But surely there must have been another way to do this than to put millions of innocent people at risk of the consequences that will prevail. I just feel really sorry for all those children and partners, for that matter, that are on the verge of having their whole life destroyed by this if they leak these unconfirmed e-mail addresses. From what I understand AM don't check the authenticity of the e mail addresses, so they ( the hackers) have no way of knowing if it's a genuine one or that it actually belongs to the named person. I could use any e mail I like but it doesn't really confirm it's actually me. But the credit card info would.
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Post by happymomma on Aug 20, 2015 17:38:54 GMT
What I don't understand is this: Why didn't the owners just shut down the site? Names wouldn't have been released and I can't imagine their business is thriving now with new sign-ups. Maybe it is, I don't know. Also, I imagine this is going to cost them a pretty penny in lawsuits from those who paid to have their information secured.
I am sad for the real victims, the spouses who have been wronged. I do believe though, that they do have the right to know they are being (possibly) cheated on. How many threads have we had here where we've said the injured spouse should know so they can safeguard themselves against STDs? It truly is a sad deal all the way around.
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Post by tlsmi on Aug 20, 2015 17:39:41 GMT
Statements From Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar and Josh Duggar August 20, 2015 Statement from Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar:
Please see the statement below from our son Josh regarding recent media stories about him. When we learned of this late last night our hearts were broken. As we continue to place our trust in God we ask for your prayers for Josh, Anna, our grandchildren and our entire family.
Statement from Josh Duggar:
I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife.
I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him.
I brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions that happened when I was 14-15 years old, and now I have re-broken their trust.
The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country, I was hiding my own personal failings.
As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose to our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example.
I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time.
Josh Duggar
From the free jinger site. I'll try to find original link.
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Post by tlsmi on Aug 20, 2015 17:43:08 GMT
Can't edit...post was on duggar family website.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 17:43:52 GMT
Well, I give him credit for being honest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 17:51:44 GMT
Ah I see. But surely there must have been another way to do this than to put millions of innocent people at risk of the consequences that will prevail. I just feel really sorry for all those children and partners, for that matter, that are on the verge of having their whole life destroyed by this if they leak these unconfirmed e-mail addresses. From what I understand AM don't check the authenticity of the e mail addresses, so they ( the hackers) have no way of knowing if it's a genuine one or that it actually belongs to the named person. I could use any e mail I like but it doesn't really confirm it's actually me. But the credit card info would. From what I understand not all of them have credit card info on there but the email address have still been released. There's a Scottish MP on there who has vehemently denied that she has ever used the site. The e-mail that's come up is a very very old one of hers and hasn't been in use for years. There are also reports that some of the e-mails are false.
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 20, 2015 17:56:37 GMT
I am not finding that statement on their page. Can you link it?
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Post by KikiPea on Aug 20, 2015 18:01:14 GMT
Well, I give him credit for being honest. But, he's only doing it because he was caught.
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Post by DEX on Aug 20, 2015 18:05:46 GMT
Statements From Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar and Josh Duggar August 20, 2015 Statement from Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar: Please see the statement below from our son Josh regarding recent media stories about him. When we learned of this late last night our hearts were broken. As we continue to place our trust in God we ask for your prayers for Josh, Anna, our grandchildren and our entire family. Statement from Josh Duggar: I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife. I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him. I brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions that happened when I was 14-15 years old, and now I have re-broken their trust. The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country, I was hiding my own personal failings. As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose to our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example. I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time. Josh Duggar From the free jinger site. I'll try to find original link. At this time, even though he fessed up, I don't take this recent "apology" at face value. I predict, as others have said, that he will say he has a sexual addiction, will go to a church sponsored "therapy" place/construction project and continue his behavior because he is a man in that family and all will be forgiven.
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Post by wholarmor on Aug 20, 2015 18:07:14 GMT
The truth has a way of finding you out. Especially when you are so vocal against everyone else.
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 20, 2015 18:07:53 GMT
This confession is weirdly worded to me. I went to their site and there was a <Click here for an important message from the Duggar family> link that linked to a facebook page with that confession on it. However, the confession is not found on the regular fb book page for the family or Josh and Anna's. Wondering if it is a hack?
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Post by georgiapea on Aug 20, 2015 18:08:36 GMT
Wow, he has a great writing team!
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Post by tlsmi on Aug 20, 2015 18:09:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 18:17:48 GMT
This confession is weirdly worded to me. I went to their site and there was a <Click here for an important message from the Duggar family> link that linked to a facebook page with that confession on it. However, the confession is not found on the regular fb book page for the family or Josh and Anna's. Wondering if it is a hack? I was thinking the same thing. But the link to Michelle's blog looks legit.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Aug 20, 2015 18:22:49 GMT
US Magazine has picked it up and is reporting it as well.
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Post by tlsmi on Aug 20, 2015 18:24:19 GMT
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Post by rumplesnat on Aug 20, 2015 18:24:26 GMT
This confession is weirdly worded to me. I went to their site and there was a <Click here for an important message from the Duggar family> link that linked to a facebook page with that confession on it. However, the confession is not found on the regular fb book page for the family or Josh and Anna's. Wondering if it is a hack? I agree. Also, while I REALLY want this latest revelation to be true because I abhor the Duggars, I am finding it hard to believe that Josh would even know about a site like Ashley Madison. I consider myself pretty internet savvy and my head isn't buried in the sand, but I have never heard of it prior to the recent hacking incident. Granted, I'm not LOOKING for this type of website, but I'm surprised that Josh, who is supposedly so cut off from the real world due to his upbringing, not only accessed it, but also signed up and provided his credit card information. Like I said, I WANT it to be true, but I'm not 100% convinced yet.
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