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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 21:30:27 GMT
I said this before this new revelation - he should not be with children. I hope his wife throws him out, he is a deviant. Makes you wonder why he thinks women are there for his pleasure, starting with his sisters. Maybe the Apple didn't fall far from the tree. I totally agree...I'm even more concerned for the children in his household than ever.
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Post by mzza111 on Aug 20, 2015 21:32:24 GMT
And what I'm saying is, no, I disagree with you, that would not have been easy. His supporters would have believed him. His supporters are ignorant fucking morons!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 21:58:50 GMT
I think you may be on to something. When a person in the public eye is found to be cheating on their spouse, people generally tsk, tsk and then move on. Politicians who cheat are routinely voted back into office. Celebrities who cheat don't lose their box office appeal. Athletes who cheat still make the big bucks and have legions of fans. So yes, I believe it's the hypocrisy, not the behavior, that outrages most people. Though in Josh's case, there was plenty to be outraged about before this latest revelation. I'm kind of outraged by the fact that he is STILL leaning toward being a pedophile. I hope/wish they could investigate anyone he hooked up with on that website and verify ages. Because after the molestation of his sisters, and the lack of appropriate action at that time, the words " I like someone I can teach" from his Ashley Madison profile seem very odd. I flippantly read that article yesterday with a 'whatever more Duggars crap' attitude until I got to that line. That phrase and it's possible hidden meaning just made me ill. its hard to let that go knowing his past tendencies. He ought to be in jail right next to Fogel. It wouldn't surprise me in the least that the next bit of news we read is that he is being investigated for downloading child porn. I don't think its any coincidence that his original statement was re-written. There is plenty of research done with the conclusion that once a paedophile always a paedophile and no amount of therapy works on most of them because they don't believe, in their warped minds, that they are doing anything wrong. It would be no different if one is 14 or much older.
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Post by caro on Aug 20, 2015 22:03:44 GMT
She needs to get the hell out of dodge~ She won't leave him. He confessed and is so sorry he got caught. How would she survive providing for 4 kids in the lifestyle she is now used too? I feel very sorry for her.
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Post by PaperAngel on Aug 20, 2015 22:04:54 GMT
Given I was blissfully ignorant to the existence of the Duggar family until the last scandal, I'm baffled that Josh Duggar is considered a "celebrity." I'm not surprised, however, at the "news" that a pedophile cheated on his/her spouse; I'm hopeful the admitted pornography & cheating did not involve minors. What shocks me is that Josh Duggar still holds such a high opinion of himself. His statement claims he's more concerned about the impact of his sin on Jesus' followers than his wife & children. A co-star (with 20 others!) on a now-cancelled cable tv reality show thinks he represents & affects all Christians! I'm certain as a stranger, his sins (or mere existence) have zero effect on most people's lives & faith.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 22:18:50 GMT
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'm not feeling bad for his wife. I'm feeling bad and horrible for his children! Look at the parents these kids have.
He molested his sisters and other girls, and the parents did nothing. After the wife found out, she stuck by him. WTF? She has small children, and if he did it to his own sisters, what's to stop him from molesting his own children? IMO, while cheating and affairs are horrible, molesting children is criminal, and sick, and...the *ucker is a sick bastard all the way around. And she could forgive him? For molesting children, his sisters? The entire family, well him and his parents (and I'm including his wife), have some serious, serious issues.
The entire thing makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.
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Post by tlsmi on Aug 20, 2015 22:19:05 GMT
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 20, 2015 22:22:57 GMT
HE APOLOGIZED BECAUSE HE FUCKING GOT CAUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm so freaking sick of the hypocrisy of these types of people. You know what? He's actually going to hell when he dies.
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 20, 2015 22:34:17 GMT
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'm not feeling bad for his wife. I'm feeling bad and horrible for his children! Look at the parents these kids have. He molested his sisters and other girls, and the parents did nothing. After the wife found out, she stuck by him. WTF? She has small children, and if he did it to his own sisters, what's to stop him from molesting his own children? IMO, while cheating and affairs are horrible, molesting children is criminal, and sick, and...the *ucker is a sick bastard all the way around. And she could forgive him? For molesting children, his sisters? The entire family, well him and his parents (and I'm including his wife), have some serious, serious issues. The entire thing makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. I waffle between feeling sorry for her and not feeling sorry for her. I think in a way she was brainwashed from the time she was born to a certain lifestyle in which she basically has no value except when she is married and has children. I would absolutely have no pity for her if she had been raised in a non Mormon household where women are encouraged to be educated and self sufficient. It is hard to believe that any grown woman, Mormon or not, wouldn't have the desire to leave under these circumstance, but on the other hand I imagine she doesn't feel like she has any other options. I do feel terribly for their children, even if Josh does manage to keep his creepy paws off of them they are being raised in a very unhealthy family.
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Post by MaryMary on Aug 20, 2015 22:39:12 GMT
The Duggars aren't Mormon, FYI. Baptists? Quiver-full something or other?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 22:43:03 GMT
Maybe he's the lone reprobate in his family, but I still wonder if he was a victim before he was a child molester and a philanderer. Molesting one's own siblings is about as deviant as you can get, especially when you are still a child yourself.
He's still responsible for his behavior, but I suspect what's public about him and his clan is the tip of the iceberg. Their collective desire for attention and celebrity with their closets bursting with skeletons is so confusing to me! I bet it means they aren't smart enough to go away yet.
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Post by mdith4him on Aug 20, 2015 22:47:23 GMT
Being a Christian doesn't have anything to do with what I wrote. He does have some serious sexual problems. Character is based on actions so I would think it would go without saying that he has serious character issues. But by all means, let's mock Christianity here. I am not mocking Christianity, I am pointing out the fact that (in my experience), the profession of Christian faith gives many people a pass on their incredibly bad behavior. This whole thing saddens me so much. I've never been interested in the Duggars, but always thought they were at least raising children with a good moral compass. As a Christian, I liked seeing their profession of faith so clearly and unapologetically. I'm praying for Anna and her kids as I'm sure she is utterly devastated right now. Marriage is for better or for worse and I'm sure she's going to try to make things work. There are people and families who are rebuilt after horrible things like this, so I am hopeful that Josh will truly turn himself around. I have to respond to the above statement, though. I think Christians are usually judged more harshly than others as (it's true) we are generally speaking about good values and staying away from sin. Everyone acts shocked when a Christian does something wrong. We're not Jesus! We're regular people. Think of the pastors of large churches who have been revealed to be adulterers. They were lambasted and immediately fired or resigned. I think people forget that Christians are sinners, just like everyone else. We ALL make mistakes. We are ALL tempted. Christians fall into traps and into dark places just like others. I don't say that as an excuse or a way to receive lighter punishment. It is simply the truth. Jesus said he came to heal the sick. So by signing on to the Christian faith, you are admitting you are sick and need help. I don't know...I just hate that a story about one person makes everyone trash Christians.
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Post by stittsygirl on Aug 20, 2015 23:06:28 GMT
I don't see everyone trashing Christians. I don't see everyone trashing Christians who stumble and fall. I do see people trashing Christians who are flaming hypocrites.
Don't demonize and work to take away the rights of my children and others like them, particularly if you (general Christian you) have some pretty dirty skeletons you're hiding in your own closet.
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Post by Nicole in TX on Aug 20, 2015 23:08:18 GMT
Clearly no one is getting what I'm saying. It's called copy and paste. Someone gets a file of information, and they PLANT the information in it, and then release the fake info. I'm saying he could have just as easily claimed that's happen. But, we know how honest hackers tend to be so I doubt no one would have believed him. I hear you, Freebird. He could be claiming it was all a set up. I can think of someone else (um, former Secretary of State) who has also been caught red-handed and keeps on lying about it. Then those lies are exposed and then she modifies the lies again. So, Josh gets one brownie point for admitting it was true.
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Post by Nicole in TX on Aug 20, 2015 23:09:33 GMT
I don't see everyone trashing Christians. I don't see everyone trashing Christians who stumble and fall. I do see people trashing Christians who are flaming hypocrites. Don't demonize and work to take away the rights of my children and others like them, particularly if you (general Christian you) have some pretty dirty skeletons you're hiding in your own closet. This is what I am seeing as well.
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Post by nurseypants on Aug 20, 2015 23:12:26 GMT
I am not mocking Christianity, I am pointing out the fact that (in my experience), the profession of Christian faith gives many people a pass on their incredibly bad behavior. This whole thing saddens me so much. I've never been interested in the Duggars, but always thought they were at least raising children with a good moral compass. As a Christian, I liked seeing their profession of faith so clearly and unapologetically. I'm praying for Anna and her kids as I'm sure she is utterly devastated right now. Marriage is for better or for worse and I'm sure she's going to try to make things work. There are people and families who are rebuilt after horrible things like this, so I am hopeful that Josh will truly turn himself around. I have to respond to the above statement, though. I think Christians are usually judged more harshly than others as (it's true) we are generally speaking about good values and staying away from sin. Everyone acts shocked when a Christian does something wrong. We're not Jesus! We're regular people. Think of the pastors of large churches who have been revealed to be adulterers. They were lambasted and immediately fired or resigned. I think people forget that Christians are sinners, just like everyone else. We ALL make mistakes. We are ALL tempted. Christians fall into traps and into dark places just like others. I don't say that as an excuse or a way to receive lighter punishment. It is simply the truth. Jesus said he came to heal the sick. So by signing on to the Christian faith, you are admitting you are sick and need help. I don't know...I just hate that a story about one person makes everyone trash Christians. We clearly have different perspectives, and could each probably spend the next several hours citing examples that prove our point of view is 'right.' I'm going to say this, though. There are those that hold themselves up as examples, and that preach against homosexuality and other sexual sin and incite others to hatred and oppression. When these folks are caught with their hands in the proverbial cookie jar, it is so vile and disgusting. To me, this is so far above and beyond 'doing something wrong.' They are the lowest of the low. It is beyond 'sinning,' (which I don't particularly believe in) because of the sheer...well, hypocrisy does not seem like a strong enough word, really.
The Duggars are just the latest version, nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 23:19:30 GMT
Confession: I have gotten to the point where I'm suspicious anytime someone publicly goes on and on about something they claim their god hates - I vaguely suspect they've been digging around in whatever the proverbial cookie jar is, and they might be projecting. See: Ted Haggard et al.
It's not a commentary about christians or catholics or any religion, just observations about human behavior when those humans trot around on very righteous, very high horses and want to tell us all about the correct way to be human.
I agree - they're just hypocrites, but they don't represent christians any more than they represent white people or people with bad haircuts.
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Post by julieb on Aug 20, 2015 23:23:57 GMT
From the People article:
Ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 23:27:52 GMT
I admit that I was suspect of the reliability of the claim at first, not because I think Josh is awesome or defendable, but because I thought, "Surely he can't be THAT stupid." He is.
Did anyone else notice that he had a subscription as recently as May? That when the molestation stuff was swirling around. He rally is a piece of work.
I wonder if the sisters will share a different story now that the pressure is off to defend that Josh has "truly changed." Clearly he hasn't. I wonder if they will have something different to say now.
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Post by Nicole in TX on Aug 20, 2015 23:28:06 GMT
From the People article: Ugh. How is this going to go...? She was continually nursing or pregnant, so she was not as responsive to his needs as she should have been, blah, blah...
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Post by mdith4him on Aug 20, 2015 23:29:10 GMT
This whole thing saddens me so much. I've never been interested in the Duggars, but always thought they were at least raising children with a good moral compass. As a Christian, I liked seeing their profession of faith so clearly and unapologetically. I'm praying for Anna and her kids as I'm sure she is utterly devastated right now. Marriage is for better or for worse and I'm sure she's going to try to make things work. There are people and families who are rebuilt after horrible things like this, so I am hopeful that Josh will truly turn himself around. I have to respond to the above statement, though. I think Christians are usually judged more harshly than others as (it's true) we are generally speaking about good values and staying away from sin. Everyone acts shocked when a Christian does something wrong. We're not Jesus! We're regular people. Think of the pastors of large churches who have been revealed to be adulterers. They were lambasted and immediately fired or resigned. I think people forget that Christians are sinners, just like everyone else. We ALL make mistakes. We are ALL tempted. Christians fall into traps and into dark places just like others. I don't say that as an excuse or a way to receive lighter punishment. It is simply the truth. Jesus said he came to heal the sick. So by signing on to the Christian faith, you are admitting you are sick and need help. I don't know...I just hate that a story about one person makes everyone trash Christians. We clearly have different perspectives, and could each probably spend the next several hours citing examples that prove our point of view is 'right.' I'm going to say this, though. There are those that hold themselves up as examples, and that preach against homosexuality and other sexual sin and incite others to hatred and oppression. When these folks are caught with their hands in the proverbial cookie jar, it is so vile and disgusting. To me, this is so far above and beyond 'doing something wrong.' They are the lowest of the low. It is beyond 'sinning,' (which I don't particularly believe in) because of the sheer...well, hypocrisy does not seem like a strong enough word, really.
The Duggars are just the latest version, nothing more, nothing less.
I agree. Hypocrisy makes one feel completely betrayed. I also agree that what he is admitting to is disgusting. I just hope people can separate him and his family from other Christians you might meet in your day-to-day life. I see this the same way I see people saying Muslims are all a bunch of terrorists. So completely not true. Also, I guess just to clarify what I mean, when I say 'sin' I mean something that is wrong. I think we all agree things like adultery and child molestation are wrong; obviously other things would be more up to personal interpretation.
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Post by wholarmor on Aug 20, 2015 23:35:43 GMT
Well, people not in a cult will stick with their spouses who have cheated, too. I can't say much against her if Hilary Clinton stuck with Bill when everything came out. I do partly blame Josh's parents, but in the end, he's an adult, and he has to take responsibility, but he sure wasn't given a great start when he was 14- not having the chance to really be helped with his problems. As I mentioned in the other thread, he grew up having to have his internet browsing monitored by his siblings.
That said, I think he got what was coming when he would dare speak up against the morals of other people while having his own terrible morals. It maddens me, and I'm a Christian! It's always the people who yell the loudest that are the most guilty.
BTW, Washington D.C. was America's most unfaithful city- according to Ashley Madison results.
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Post by edie3 on Aug 20, 2015 23:36:18 GMT
She is probably pregnant with #5.
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Post by hockeyfan06 on Aug 20, 2015 23:38:23 GMT
HE APOLOGIZED BECAUSE HE FUCKING GOT CAUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm so freaking sick of the hypocrisy of these types of people. You know what? He's actually going to hell when he dies. I totally agree with you here! I really don't think he's sorry for what he has done to his wife and family. Guys like Josh keeping going until they get caught. Just like Jared. He had ample notice to get rid of his child porn when his buddy got busted. Both were forced to apologize and/or plead guilty only because they got caught!
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Post by imsirius on Aug 20, 2015 23:43:35 GMT
What is crazy too, is that the family will find a way to vilify Anna and make it somehow HER fault. She didn't provide enough sex. She didn't want to play his little games. Maybe she didn't like to dress like the maid? Who knows, but I do know that in the Quiverful religion, I believe the man is never at fault, it's always the wife's job to make sure he's happy all the time.
I can see a very difficult future for Anna even aside from the stupidity of her staying with him.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 21, 2015 0:09:22 GMT
Ass munch
Now, if only it was men he was cheating with. He would have the tri-feta of hypocrisy
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Post by DEX on Aug 21, 2015 0:17:20 GMT
This was on my Facebook feed from Matt Walsh. Not that Matt speaks for ALL CHRISTIANS (although he tries). It shows that the story is getting traction.
I'm not too proud to admit when I was wrong. So, yes, I was wrong about the Duggar situation. If you recall, several months ago it was revealed that Josh Duggar, the oldest son in the "19 Kids and Counting" clan, sexually abused his sisters when he was 13 or 14 years old. This revelation was used by many anti-Christian folks as a way to "prove" that all Christians are hypocrites and the whole "family values" thing is a shame, etc. I wrote a post in the early days of that story pointing out that the liberal outrage over sexual abuse seems to be rather selective and insincere. I further said that Christian ideals aren't disproved just because one Christian fails to live up to them. And I also said that, by all accounts, Josh has repented and changed his ways, and he should be forgiven. I stand by the first two parts of my argument, but on the last I was misguided. Reports surfaced yesterday alleging that Josh Duggar paid for and maintained two Ashley Madison accounts over the last two years. Ashley Madison is a dating site for married people seeking affairs. It was hacked this week and the records of 30 million adulterers were released. Josh is one of the 30 million. Just in the last hour or two, Josh admitted publicly to the affairs, so this is no longer "alleged." He went from sexual abuser to serial adulterer. These are facts. On the profile, Josh specifies that he's looking for "one night stands" and "experimentation" and other things in that vein. It's disgusting. The man has a wife and several kids, and in between trolling for affairs, he was on TV presenting himself as a Christian role model. So I was wrong about Josh Duggar being a repentant man. Clearly, he isn't. Or at least he wasn't. Maybe now he'll finally begin the process, but it's certainly impossible to believe that someone could be truly sorry for past sexual sin while currently in the process of fishing for affairs and "experimental" one night stands. He's a traitor to his family. I feel awful for them, and I pray that Josh really does come to Christ. Beyond that, I pray his wife and kids somehow recover from all of the shame Josh has brought upon them. Because, let's be clear, if you sign up for an adultery website and then your information gets hacked and your family ends up embarrassed and devastated -- that is YOUR fault. You are the one who victimized them. The hackers acted illegally, but this all happened because of your choices. Don't want your information stolen from an adultery website? Don't sign up for an adultery website. Pretty simple formula. I must also admit that the more I think about this, I realized I was too easy on the the Duggar parents as well. Jim Bob and Michelle knew that their oldest son was struggling with severe sexual sin, they knew their daughters had been abused, they knew their family was in the midst of moral and spiritual turmoil, yet they STILL decided to put themselves and their children on TV for ten years. That's really just not a justifiable decision. Josh Duggar is CLEARLY not equipped to be a world famous face of Christian values, but he was put in that position -- as were all the Duggars -- by the Ma and Pa Duggar. That doesn't excuse what he did, but it does indicate that his parents were supremely reckless and self-serving. I generally am not a fan of parents putting their kids on TV -- especially for years and years of their lives, depriving them of a normal childhood -- but to do it when there's sexual abuse going on inside your home? Inexcusable. In any case, we learn yet again that, as Chesterton said, the Christian ideal has never been tried and found wanting, but it has been tried and found difficult. To live up to our faith is difficult. Nobody does it perfectly -- I know I certainly don't -- but when we put ourselves in front of the world as role models, we are called to carry an even heavier burden of responsibility. Even those of us without a worldwide audience still have that burden, and we are still role models in some capacity, but the more people you have looking up to you, the more profound the duty. I don't blame Josh or his parents for being imperfect. But I do blame them for climbing onto the stage and seizing the limelight when they were clearly so compromised. The fall of the Duggar family is sad in many ways, and I am still sickened by those who are taking pleasure in it, but this is a tragedy precipitated by conscious decisions. This is sin. This is what sin does. You might think it will bring you pleasure, but in the end it can only destroy. I guess that's the lesson. If only we didn't have to keep relearning it. We live in a sick world, everyone. And Christ is the only medicine.
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Post by nurseypants on Aug 21, 2015 0:21:44 GMT
Matt Walsh - massive blowhard.
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Post by LeaP on Aug 21, 2015 0:26:20 GMT
Just to clarify nurseypants and birukitty that while I feel sorry for him, I do think that he is a hypocrite, contemptible and needs to stay a safe distance away from his family lest he continue the cycle of abuse. It also seems that he has an OK Cupid account link. Both @dottyscrapper and @mochimochi are probably right that there are more skeletons that will come out of the closet. I have to respond to the above statement, though. I think Christians are usually judged more harshly than others as (it's true) we are generally speaking about good values and staying away from sin. Everyone acts shocked when a Christian does something wrong. We're not Jesus! We're regular people. Think of the pastors of large churches who have been revealed to be adulterers. They were lambasted and immediately fired or resigned. I think people forget that Christians are sinners, just like everyone else. We ALL make mistakes. We are ALL tempted. Christians fall into traps and into dark places just like others. I don't say that as an excuse or a way to receive lighter punishment. It is simply the truth. The vast, vast majority of Christians are good, charitable people. A tiny fraction, like say the Westboro Baptist Church, use the pulpit to preach intolerance. I think the hypocrisy of the Duggars invites harsh judgment. Making a transphobic robocall recording is the biblical equivalent to casting the first stone.
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