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Post by kernriver on Jan 19, 2016 16:20:48 GMT
I wonder who they think should have been nominated? Any guesses? I haven't seen any movies recently so I can't recall any black actors that got snubbed.
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Post by annabella on Jan 19, 2016 16:24:25 GMT
Let's dive into this, so I haven't heard any buzz about the movie Concussion that Will Smith was in. Was it any good? Will Smith was nominated for best actor at the Golden Globes for it. There's been plenty other football movies like The Blind Side which won an Oscar for Sandra Bullock and Remember the Titans starring Denzel Washington which was not nominated for any Oscars. So it seems it seems that movies in that category are Oscar worthy.
But seeing Jada Pinkett Smith petitioning this issue for her own husband just doesn't feel right. I looked up his stats and he's been nominated many times for Golden Globe and Oscar and never got one, so that's her agenda. Halle Berry didn't get her Oscar until she flashed a boob.
Last year no Black people were nominated for Oscars too so this is the second year in a row, of many years.
I do laugh at the idea of Straight out of Compton should have been nominated for an Oscar.
Last year Birdman won 4 Oscars, including best film. That was the worst movie ever! But it told me that the Oscars like unique funky movies.
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Post by Rainbow on Jan 19, 2016 16:27:09 GMT
I agree with ~Lauren~. I also think that if you feel you have to force diversity that is saying that the nominators for these awards are racist, and that the ones you want to be nominators are also racist because you think they would more likely nominate more minorities instead of nominating the ones who are the best. That would be wrong as well, but it would be OK with you because diversity is your desired outcome. So wrong. It also says that you think minorities will never get a fair chance from white people. This whole thing is sad.
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Post by jackie on Jan 19, 2016 16:30:17 GMT
I wonder who they think should have been nominated? Any guesses? I haven't seen any movies recently so I can't recall any black actors that got snubbed. I think they believe Straight Outta Compton should have received a best picture nom and maybe some other nominations.
The actor ones I'm hearing about the most are Idris Elba in Beasts of No Nation, Michael B. Jordan from Creed (Sly got nominated but Michael didn't and I've heard more buzz about Michael's performance) and Will Smith in Concussion (he's actually received the LEAST buzz of the three).
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Post by annabella on Jan 19, 2016 16:31:33 GMT
TWO PERCENT of the nominators identify as African American. How is that diverse? 94% are white. Well that also says something about Hollywood and how hard it is for Black people to get leading roles because there are only a few available. Now movies all sprinkle black people in the background to be "diverse". That's what I liked about Star Wars, from the start they had Billie Dee Williams in it, setting a precedent. Samuel L. Jackson and James Earl Jones were also in episodes. And for the latest episode to have a Black leading role was a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 16:32:39 GMT
Michael B Jordan for Creed and Idris Elba for Beasts of No Nation immediately come to mind.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 19, 2016 16:33:03 GMT
It's the Oscars not the People's Choice awards. In order to vote, you have to be part of the Academy. The Academy is predominantly white. Is it shocking, there is a bias toward white actors? No. Is it fair? No. Is life fair? No. I am with Janet Hubert - with all the issues this is the one Jada picks? I have a hard time feeling sorry for Will Smith. Let's face it, he didn't deserve his $20 million paycheck for Concussion with that ridiculous accent the idea that life is unfair because he didn't also get an Oscar nod - a little perspective people!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 19, 2016 16:37:03 GMT
I honestly think Beast of No Nation's snub had a whole lot more to do with the Netflix release and how old Hollywood feels about that than their issues with diversity.
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Post by annabella on Jan 19, 2016 16:38:25 GMT
I haven't seen Creed, but do you think Sylvester Stallone deserved an Oscar nomination over Michael B Jordan? When I saw him win at the Golden Globes it almost seemed like a polite nod to an aging legend.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 16:40:15 GMT
I thought Michael B. Jordan was excellent and deserving of a nomination and I thought Stallone was... Stallone.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 19, 2016 16:40:37 GMT
I haven't seen Creed, but do you think Sylvester Stallone deserved an Oscar nomination over Michael B Jordan? When I saw him win at the Golden Globes it almost seemed like a polite nod to an aging legend. I haven't seen Creed, but do keep in mind they're in different categories. I'm not sure how competitive supporting actor was this year. I'd also say there's a huge bias toward aging actors - keep in mind those voting are aging actors - they're probably living vicariously through the ones who can actually still land a movie.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 19, 2016 16:43:58 GMT
I don't believe for one second that Spike and Jada think that someone should get the nomination based on skin color rather than performance and talent. I believe they are trying to draw attention to the unfair way nominations and votes are given (as was already stated...by predominately white, old men). Also, to draw attention to the fact that important, LEAD roles are most often given to whites thus giving no chance at all for a nomination no matter how great the acting level. Minorities are not really represented in film. Women have issues in that profession (i.e. Labeled 'has beens' when they turn 40, while their counterparts careers can last decades longer) There are bigger issues here. Yep I agree! I have not heard them suggesting nor anyone (outside of this thread) saying that quotas based on race are the answer, but diversity in the nomination process would vet a more diverse choices. It is interesting to ponder.. if there were not gender based categories, what would the nominations look like?
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 19, 2016 16:45:24 GMT
I wonder who they think should have been nominated? Any guesses? I haven't seen any movies recently so I can't recall any black actors that got snubbed. I think they believe Straight Outta Compton should have received a best picture nom and maybe some other nominations.
The actor ones I'm hearing about the most are Idris Elba in Beasts of No Nation, Michael B. Jordan from Creed (Sly got nominated but Michael didn't and I've heard more buzz about Michael's performance) and Will Smith in Concussion (he's actually received the LEAST buzz of the three).
these are the ones I have heard especially Michael Jordan!
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 19, 2016 16:47:41 GMT
It's an awards show for people who act. This should not be a political venue. Winners often use it to promote a political agenda.... so right or wrong it should come as no surprise.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jan 19, 2016 16:50:12 GMT
I haven't seen Creed yet, but from what I've read/heard, Sylvester Stallone is good, but it seems he is being overpraised (nostalgia, it's a comeback, he exceeded low expectations, etc). Michael B. Jordan's performance was well received too, but I don't see who he would've replaced any of the other actors in the lead actor category. And it's not a knock on him, but for a lead role, I don't think Creed is exactly Oscar bait. I think the actors nominated (Bryan Cranston: Trumbo, Matt Damon: The Martian, Leonardo DiCaprio: The Revenant, Michael Fassbender:Steve Jobs, Eddie Redmayne:The Danish Girl) are good actors and they had the right roles/movies. Michael B. Jordan is great and if he can get the right role/movie, he could be nominated down the road. Which is really the underlying problem - what quality parts are available for minorities or women. And it's not just who is in front of the camera, it's who are the producers, directors, writers, executives, etc.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jan 19, 2016 16:53:32 GMT
I haven't seen Creed, but do you think Sylvester Stallone deserved an Oscar nomination over Michael B Jordan? When I saw him win at the Golden Globes it almost seemed like a polite nod to an aging legend. I haven't seen Creed, but do keep in mind they're in different categories. I'm not sure how competitive supporting actor was this year. I'd also say there's a huge bias toward aging actors - keep in mind those voting are aging actors - they're probably living vicariously through the ones who can actually still land a movie. I think there are all sorts of biases inherent in the process. I think the voters love an aging actor, comebacks, actors who've paid their dues, etc. If it had been a different actor in the same role with the same level of performance, I don't think he would've been nominated. And unless a performance is just undeniable, I think they tend to favor the older actors because the younger actors have more time ahead of them. I bet we'll see Michael B. Jordan nominated in the future (or at least I hope so!).
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Post by sharlag on Jan 19, 2016 16:58:48 GMT
One thing to consider is what percent of actors and actresses are people of color? I have no idea what the number is, but if there's a much higher proportion of white male actors to AA actors, it stands to reason that there would be a much higher proportion of white male actors being nominated, doesn't it? I tend to think along those lines as well. And I also wondered if there are specific roles/movies this year that people felt were deserving of nominations, but skipped.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 17:17:56 GMT
First when it comes to celebrities one never knows what cause will catch their fancy so this boycott could spread.
I don't know why more black actors aren't nominated but I have long suspected there is a lot of quid pro quo going on in the selections and voting. Meaning in a lot of selections the actual performance has very little to do with why one is being nominated and then wins.
So maybe this boycott will clean up the nominating/voting process and that will benefit all actors.
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Post by pierogi on Jan 19, 2016 17:29:12 GMT
Idris Elba was amazing in Beasts of No Nation. Overlooking him was a scandal.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 19, 2016 17:43:29 GMT
I might be more sympathetic if she wasn't complaining about her own husband not getting a nomination. It feels too self serving considering she would benefit from his inclusion.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jan 19, 2016 17:51:12 GMT
Interesting, I was just reading this post on Reddit earlier.
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/41at7a/regarding_all_this_allnomineesarewhite_bullshit/
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Post by not2peased on Jan 19, 2016 17:53:04 GMT
When something like 90% of the nominators are white and 70% are men, I think the odds are stacked against diversity. The Academy needs to work on recruiting more voters with diverse backgrounds. There were many diverse performances worthy of nominations - they just weren't noticed. exactly
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Post by not2peased on Jan 19, 2016 17:56:59 GMT
I haven't seen Creed, but do you think Sylvester Stallone deserved an Oscar nomination over Michael B Jordan? When I saw him win at the Golden Globes it almost seemed like a polite nod to an aging legend. I actually do-I don't particularly like Sylvestor Stallone or his movies, but his performance in Creed was Oscar worthy. it was simply put, amazing. He deserved the nod as for the costar-while I thought he did an excellent job-I didn't think his performance rated an Oscar nomination I do believe diversity is a big issue with the Academy, but this particular case-I think they were right on
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 19, 2016 18:00:53 GMT
I do laugh at the idea of Straight out of Compton should have been nominated for an Oscar. Last year Birdman won 4 Oscars, including best film. That was the worst movie ever! But it told me that the Oscars like unique funky movies. Straight Outta Compton made the American Film Institute top 10 list and was anticipated to be nominated in the Best Picture category. It is nominated for Writing - Original Screenplay and has received Screen Actor Guild Nominations as well. I do think Idris Elba should have been nominated. The Oscar was the pinnacle of achievement in the film industry for many years but they just seem to be more and more tarnished. More than diversity, heavy campaigning is also an issue and timing of movies. Most released early in the year are forgotten about by the time nominations are made. This article is a couple of years old, but all the points are still relevant. The Long, Expensive Road to Academy Award GloryOther awards shows, especially The Golden Globes, rose in prominence because their nominations aren't as reflective of the old boy's club, do your time and you'll get your turn vibe that comes from the Academy.
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Post by inkedup on Jan 19, 2016 18:03:57 GMT
I agree with you. The Oscars are a complete joke in general; it's an exclusionary crowd, congratulating itself and celebrating not art, but excess. There have been many times that the best picture/director/acting prizes went to movies that have left critics scratching their heads and that history has proven were mediocre, at best.
I think the Oscars are completely irrelevant to real life, not just people of color.
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Post by jumperhop on Jan 19, 2016 18:04:31 GMT
I wonder who they think should have been nominated? Any guesses? I haven't seen any movies recently so I can't recall any black actors that got snubbed. Will Smith was snubbed for the movie "Concussion". Jen
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Post by LeaP on Jan 19, 2016 18:15:31 GMT
I think it is a systemic problem. It is show BUSINESS. The driving force behind the model is revenue. Because of this, many films take the safe path and go for established formulas or ethnicity. There are many sequels because while they earn less than the original film the probability is high that they will turn a profit. We are a diverse country, perhaps one day Hollywood will find a way to maximize its profits by making more diverse films.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 19, 2016 18:15:45 GMT
I totally agree with the OP-- it smacks of the 'participation award' watering-down that seems to be happening everywhere nowadays.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jan 19, 2016 18:29:28 GMT
lack of diversity. No actors of color were nominated. What it comes down to for me is this: if the Oscars are meant to showcase "the best", then "diversity" should not come into play. Like all art, the nominations are subjective, but the past years where African American have won both best actor and best actress in the same year and other years had minority wins of top awards shows that racism is not at play. That being the case, in any given year, if the nominators pick "the best" and it happens to not include minorities, "thems the breaks." To me, forcing minorities to be nominated for the sake of "diversity" cheapens the awards. Instead of the "best", we're right back to the "let's make everyone feel good" mantra that has cheapened many other awards. What say you? I would agree with you expect for one thing: over 90% of the Academy voters are white. If you take psychology into account, and consider that each race typically prefers its own to others (simply due to familiarity), then it follows that a voting base majority of one race would produce voting results favoring that race. Thus, the minority races being voted on aren't fairly considered due to racial preference/bias - a natural human trait in all races. Interesting study here.Now, that being said...I was really shocked to see both Idris Elba and Abraham Attah ( Beasts of No Nation) completely overlooked. Child soldiers are a very difficult subject but that film is amazing and does a beautiful job of bringing to light the heartbreaking things these children endure and are forced to perpetuate. And then there was Will Smith's performance (Concussion)! Changing my mind about Will Smith based on Janet Hubert's reaction video to Jada's original boycott call. I'm still kinda shocked and sickened. I always knew there was bias in the Academy. I'm glad it's becoming so obvious.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 19, 2016 18:37:40 GMT
I dunno-- I read the Reddit piece that Ilovebuble posted, and the rest of the thread, and it's so many more things than just a question of what race someone is. The amount of promotion, the # of theaters that a movie is in (I've never even HEARD of Beast of no Nation-- apparently it was released on Netflix, and only had a very small # of theater releases?), WHEN the movie is released, what genre the movie is (highbrow vs. thriller, for example), and on, and on, and on... It's about so much more than JUST the race of the actors who are in the movie.
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