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Post by grinningcat on Jan 20, 2016 14:58:22 GMT
i think diversity is an issue in hollywood, and there is a lack of 'equal representation' of actors who are not white in leading roles that could go to a man or woman of any race. Yes, i think that is an issue that should be given more attention. OH! And that reminds me of the recent uproar about the casting of Hermione in the new Harry Potter stage production. (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child) The original Hermione was cast as a young white girl, the new Hermione was cast as an older black woman. There was an initial kerfuffle because it was vastly different than what people knew, but then J.K. Rowling weighed in with a tweet that said essentially 'canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and clever' but that skin color was never specified. So the producers and directors are the one that interpreted the character as white-but the fact is that according to the author it could have gone either way. I suppose that lends credence to the argument that those in charge are more likely to cast a movie through their own prism. I love that they broke the "mould" for the casting of the play. Of course after the movies everyone expects Hermione to be white, but why should she always be white in every rendition of the story? Rowling's response was perfect. I am so curious to see the play and how they either play into the expected stereotypes of the characters or how they play against it. Quite frankly, there are few roles that have to be cast in a specific race or even gender and it should go to an actor who can portray the character as the director wants it played.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 20, 2016 15:06:51 GMT
I hadn't heard about Harry Potter and the Cursed Child. I'm highly offended by the casting. There was an absolute reference in the original books - Ron Weasley is supposed to be a GINGER.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jan 20, 2016 15:24:00 GMT
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jan 20, 2016 15:25:24 GMT
Not a surprise. Clooney is always radical. Wonder if he'd be on board if he were nominated.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jan 20, 2016 15:28:45 GMT
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Post by RiverIsis on Jan 20, 2016 15:31:11 GMT
Not a surprise. Clooney is always radical. Wonder if he'd be on board if he were nominated. Clooney is a genuinely nice person who does look out for others. If he sees injustice he speaks out. He knows that this shouldn't be an "us v them" issue that there is a genuine problem that Hollywood is very white male.
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Post by jenkate77 on Jan 20, 2016 15:31:25 GMT
Viola Davis wasn't your first choice...why? Because Viola Davis, while gorgeous and a talented actress, is probably on very few of our husband's "laminated" lists. Halle Berry has 1394723947% sex appeal. I'm sure that something about the lightness of her skin or being mixed race was your point. Then again, what do I know. I lived in Canada from second grade until I graduated, and thought that the race issue in the US was exaggerated by a lot in TV and movies. It took me several years of being back to realize that there are a lot of racist people, but it's a very very complex issue.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jan 20, 2016 15:34:34 GMT
Viola Davis wasn't your first choice...why? Because Viola Davis, while gorgeous and a talented actress, is probably on very few of our husband's "laminated" lists. Halle Berry has 1394723947% sex appeal. I'm sure that something about the lightness of her skin or being mixed race was your point. Then again, what do I know. I lived in Canada from second grade until I graduated, and thought that the race issue in the US was exaggerated by a lot in TV and movies. It took me several years of being back to realize that there are a lot of racist people, but it's a very very complex issue. TBH Viola Davis was never in the Catwoman suit. My DH has a thing for Michelle Pfeiffer (another Catwoman) too but I doubt if I had said her name above Melissa McCarthy anyone would have batted an eyelash.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 20, 2016 16:34:10 GMT
I think this from George Clooney is absolutely accurate:
It's impossible to dispute that the film industry under-represents and often stereotypically represents minorities. To me that is a discussion worth having. It doesn't change my belief that Jada Pinkett Smith's call to boycott the Oscars is self serving and misguided.
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Post by Olan on Jan 20, 2016 17:23:17 GMT
Viola Davis wasn't your first choice...why? Because Viola Davis, while gorgeous and a talented actress, is probably on very few of our husband's "laminated" lists. Halle Berry has 1394723947% sex appeal. I'm sure that something about the lightness of her skin or being mixed race was your point. Then again, what do I know. I lived in Canada from second grade until I graduated, and thought that the race issue in the US was exaggerated by a lot in TV and movies. It took me several years of being back to realize that there are a lot of racist people, but it's a very very complex issue. I think Darcy already shared why she chose Halle Berry but if you are saying the reason why Davis isn't a top choice is because a white heterosexual male doesn't find her attractive well then that was exactly my point. Unless everyone disagrees that most pea husbands are heterosexual and white. No one can dispute the lack of diversity in Hollywood sooooooo when Pinkett-Smith says, hey don't seek validation where you won't recieve it unless you have a look that is appealing to the group dictating to everyone else (including the peas) what sexy is, I am dumbfounded when people find issue with it. Even more dumbfounded when someone wants to get catty and butt hurt because I refuse to engage. Also you're assuming what point I was trying to make because GrinningCat and Kymberlee made it pretty clear I would be defending my thoughts and not just presenting them. She didn't call for a boycott. I don't think Lupita did either.
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Post by Kelpea on Jan 20, 2016 17:25:55 GMT
This. I was going to post something along the same lines but Peabay saved me the trouble. It's true; the men are also older, as well, which also comes into play, imo.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 20, 2016 19:26:59 GMT
Regarding Halle Berry vs Viola Davis, I don't think it's any different than my husband choosing Jennifer Lawrence over Melissa McCarthy. We have a beauty standard in the country regardless of race.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 20, 2016 19:32:03 GMT
As an aside, I don't exactly view Hollywood as the savior of the powerless when they actually gave a standing ovation to Roman Polanski. I don't care how long ago it was or that the victim is forgiving. He raped a child. There is no statute of limitation on that crime.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 19:38:24 GMT
Not a surprise. Clooney is always radical. Wonder if he'd be on board if he were nominated. What a radical - advocating for the crazy concept of inclusion!
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 20, 2016 19:41:30 GMT
Regarding Halle Berry vs Viola Davis, I don't think it's any different than my husband choosing Jennifer Lawrence over Melissa McCarthy. We have a beauty standard in the country regardless of race. I prefer dark haired men to blonds. It doesn't mean anything other then I just prefer one look over the other. We have many people on this board that like tattoos or hipster or short hair or long hair . . . Does it always have to be more? And that is not directed at you lisacharlotte, just the general conversation
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 19:48:25 GMT
As an aside, I don't exactly view Hollywood as the savior of the powerless when they actually gave a standing ovation to Roman Polanski. I don't care how long ago it was or that the victim is forgiving. He raped a child. There is no statute of limitation on that crime. That still sickens me he won an Oscar. Convicted child rapist who fled the United States. Where is the outrage from the actors and actresses? Also, doesn't Dr. Dre have a well documented history of abuse to women? I know Straight Outta Compton wasn't all about him, but it's just brushed aside. Look at how popular his headphones are. No mass boycotting on those. It's finally come to a point where athletes are being called out on domestic violence and cruelty to animals. I don't see it much in the entertainment business. The movie industry has to overcome a lot of issues not just giving awards to a bunch of white people.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 20, 2016 20:06:43 GMT
I'd also point out the Halle Berry is much more well known than Viola Davis. The original post was to picture an actress and whether you'd want to be black or white - Halle Berry was the first actress to pop into my mind. I had to google Viola Davis, and haven't seen her in anything but The Help. She did a phenomenal job in that role, but I'll still take Halle Berry. I'd also take Halle over Meryl Streep - the most widely acclaimed actress of our time with more Oscar nominations than anyone ever. I suppose I'm shallow that way.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 20, 2016 20:19:25 GMT
Me, I'm shallow too. I'd look like Halle if it was a choice. I'm not exactly dog's dinner, but I ain't no Halle.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jan 20, 2016 20:29:59 GMT
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Post by wezee on Jan 20, 2016 20:53:15 GMT
putting on my flame suit. my post is going to buried. I'm so sick and tied of hearing this stuff! I want to see and end to double standards!
There is BET, NAACP,365 Black Awards,African-American Literary Awards, Black Miss America and The Black Movie Award Show just to name a few. I keep hearing we want equality!
So in the interest of equality I want to see the same awards for everyone else. How about White Miss America? White Entertainment Television? Miss native American pageant. I could keep going but I think you get my point.
How is it acceptable to remove Paula Deen's products from shelves because she said the N word in the past yet Dr.Dre, Kanye West, even Oprah can use it with no repercussions? Where is equality in this case?
To Jada I say get over yourself! To Spike Lee, are you bitter because your movie Chiraq wasn't honored? Perhaps your movie appealed to only a select audience. You picked that project, if you wanted to be a nominee you should have produced a "better" movie. This show is about who the Screen Actors Guild feels did an outstanding job.
If they felt a black entertanier wasn't qualified that is their opinion. News flash if you don't think it's fair get envolved with SAG. SAG is a union, anyone who has accepted three paid preformances can join. You don't need to be a director, producer, actor. The union is comprised of voice over artists, puppeters, dancers, singers, stunt men, background actors, newscasters, DJ's and more. I don't think there was a plot by the 160,000 members to exclude black members.
STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 20, 2016 20:58:33 GMT
Because Viola Davis, while gorgeous and a talented actress, is probably on very few of our husband's "laminated" lists. Halle Berry has 1394723947% sex appeal. I'm sure that something about the lightness of her skin or being mixed race was your point. Then again, what do I know. I lived in Canada from second grade until I graduated, and thought that the race issue in the US was exaggerated by a lot in TV and movies. It took me several years of being back to realize that there are a lot of racist people, but it's a very very complex issue. I think Darcy already shared why she chose Halle Berry but if you are saying the reason why Davis isn't a top choice is because a white heterosexual male doesn't find her attractive well then that was exactly my point. Unless everyone disagrees that most pea husbands are heterosexual and white. No one can dispute the lack of diversity in Hollywood sooooooo when Pinkett-Smith says, hey don't seek validation where you won't recieve it unless you have a look that is appealing to the group dictating to everyone else (including the peas) what sexy is, I am dumbfounded when people find issue with it. Even more dumbfounded when someone wants to get catty and butt hurt because I refuse to engage. Also you're assuming what point I was trying to make because GrinningCat and Kymberlee made it pretty clear I would be defending my thoughts and not just presenting them. She didn't call for a boycott. I don't think Lupita did either. I would imagine that she used pea's husbands as an example because that would be what we, the peas, would relate to.
Now, if you want to argue that black heterosexual males wouldn't find Halle Berry the more attractive option, I'd love to hear it.
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 20, 2016 21:19:15 GMT
I think Darcy already shared why she chose Halle Berry but if you are saying the reason why Davis isn't a top choice is because a white heterosexual male doesn't find her attractive well then that was exactly my point. Unless everyone disagrees that most pea husbands are heterosexual and white. No one can dispute the lack of diversity in Hollywood sooooooo when Pinkett-Smith says, hey don't seek validation where you won't recieve it unless you have a look that is appealing to the group dictating to everyone else (including the peas) what sexy is, I am dumbfounded when people find issue with it. Even more dumbfounded when someone wants to get catty and butt hurt because I refuse to engage. Also you're assuming what point I was trying to make because GrinningCat and Kymberlee made it pretty clear I would be defending my thoughts and not just presenting them. She didn't call for a boycott. I don't think Lupita did either. I would imagine that she used pea's husbands as an example because that would be what we, the peas, would relate to.
Now, if you want to argue that black heterosexual males wouldn't find Halle Berry the more attractive option, I'd love to hear it.
Right? LOL. That was such a ridiculous try at a set up. Halle Berry IS a sex symbol. Viola Davis isn't. That isn't her brand.
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Post by jenkate77 on Jan 20, 2016 21:26:34 GMT
Here's an existential question for you - if the Smiths HADN'T made a stink and just quietly didn't go to the Academy Awards, would anyone notice/care?
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 20, 2016 21:30:05 GMT
Here's an existential question for you - if the Smiths HADN'T made a stink and just quietly didn't go to the Academy Awards, would anyone notice/care? The issue for me is, if neither of them was in the running for any type of award then I could support their argument. The fact that they are only upset when it's in their own self interest (Will not nominated for his movie) lost my support from the get go.
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Post by Olan on Jan 20, 2016 22:00:50 GMT
I would imagine that she used pea's husbands as an example because that would be what we, the peas, would relate to.
Now, if you want to argue that black heterosexual males wouldn't find Halle Berry the more attractive option, I'd love to hear it.
Right? LOL. That was such a ridiculous try at a set up. Halle Berry IS a sex symbol. Viola Davis isn't. That isn't her brand. But I didn't ask what sex symbol would you like to be. No one sees it the way I do and that's okay. Really. I wouldn't have done a good job of respectfully defending my stance so again that's why I didn't share it. 54It was great to hear everyone's take.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 22:11:18 GMT
putting on my flame suit. my post is going to buried. I'm so sick and tied of hearing this stuff! I want to see and end to double standards! There is BET, NAACP,365 Black Awards,African-American Literary Awards, Black Miss America and The Black Movie Award Show just to name a few. I keep hearing we want equality! So in the interest of equality I want to see the same awards for everyone else. How about White Miss America? White Entertainment Television? Miss native American pageant. I could keep going but I think you get my point.How is it acceptable to remove Paula Deen's products from shelves because she said the N word in the past yet Dr.Dre, Kanye West, even Oprah can use it with no repercussions? Where is equality in this case? To Jada I say get over yourself! To Spike Lee, are you bitter because your movie Chiraq wasn't honored? Perhaps your movie appealed to only a select audience. You picked that project, if you wanted to be a nominee you should have produced a "better" movie. This show is about who the Screen Actors Guild feels did an outstanding job. If they felt a black entertanier wasn't qualified that is their opinion. News flash if you don't think it's fair get envolved with SAG. SAG is a union, anyone who has accepted three paid preformances can join. You don't need to be a director, producer, actor. The union is comprised of voice over artists, puppeters, dancers, singers, stunt men, background actors, newscasters, DJ's and more. I don't think there was a plot by the 160,000 members to exclude black members. STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD. I think you have missed the entire point. All the awards are already white...just missing the actual word WHITE
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Post by peasapie on Jan 20, 2016 22:12:18 GMT
Viola Davis wasn't your first choice...why? Doesn't she get to pick who she wants to be? Even my faithful-as-a-dog husband would be in line with a ticket if Halle Berry showed up in a kissing booth. Viola Davis is an elegant and amazing actress, but Halle Berry is a whole other category of sex appeal.
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Post by peasapie on Jan 20, 2016 22:23:12 GMT
How is it acceptable to remove Paula Deen's products from shelves because she said the N word in the past yet Dr.Dre, Kanye West, even Oprah can use it with no repercussions? Where is equality in this case? I know the answer to this, cause I watch Black-ish! It's because when Black people use the N word, it takes the sting out of it; they are sort of taking the power away from the White people who use/d it in a mean way. (I always wondered about this myself.)
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 20, 2016 22:31:58 GMT
Right? LOL. That was such a ridiculous try at a set up. Halle Berry IS a sex symbol. Viola Davis isn't. That isn't her brand. But I didn't ask what sex symbol would you like to be. No one sees it the way I do and that's okay. Really. I wouldn't have done a good job of respectfully defending my stance so again that's why I didn't share it. 54It was great to hear everyone's take. Instead, you shat a big turd in the middle of the thread and clammed up when someone questioned the smell. You asked, she answered. You didn't like her answer but wouldn't articulate why.
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Post by Olan on Jan 20, 2016 23:55:46 GMT
But I didn't ask what sex symbol would you like to be. No one sees it the way I do and that's okay. Really. I wouldn't have done a good job of respectfully defending my stance so again that's why I didn't share it. 54It was great to hear everyone's take. Instead, you shat a big turd in the middle of the thread and clammed up when someone questioned the smell. You asked, she answered. You didn't like her answer but wouldn't articulate why. Thats exactly what I didn't do. I asked Darcy Collins why she answered the way that she did and before she could answer and either have or not have a respectful dialogue Kymberlee called me prickly and grinningcat responded in the way that she did. Her answer is her answer it's not for me to like or dislike. I asked her why she didn't chose another black actress and for the zillion time I saw the pile on coming a mile away. I won't be coming back to the thread
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