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Post by anxiousmom on Jan 19, 2016 23:11:55 GMT
i think diversity is an issue in hollywood, and there is a lack of 'equal representation' of actors who are not white in leading roles that could go to a man or woman of any race. Yes, i think that is an issue that should be given more attention. OH! And that reminds me of the recent uproar about the casting of Hermione in the new Harry Potter stage production. (Harry Potter and the Cursed Child) The original Hermione was cast as a young white girl, the new Hermione was cast as an older black woman. There was an initial kerfuffle because it was vastly different than what people knew, but then J.K. Rowling weighed in with a tweet that said essentially 'canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and clever' but that skin color was never specified. So the producers and directors are the one that interpreted the character as white-but the fact is that according to the author it could have gone either way. I suppose that lends credence to the argument that those in charge are more likely to cast a movie through their own prism.
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Post by mcscrapper on Jan 19, 2016 23:19:57 GMT
I think the nominations are as they should be. I didn't see any actor/actress performance that was worthy of an Oscar nomination this year.
Saw some good films with some very good performances but nothing worthy of such a major award. Boycotting is just ridiculous in my opinion.
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Post by mcscrapper on Jan 19, 2016 23:22:38 GMT
Also meant to add that I think it is pretty selfish for these people to boycott or cause such a fuss about this award and take away the merit of the actors / actresses that were nominated. It is like saying, "you only got this honor because of the color of your skin" when they truly did do amazing work.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 19, 2016 23:38:43 GMT
Also meant to add that I think it is pretty selfish for these people to boycott or cause such a fuss about this award and take away the merit of the actors / actresses that were nominated. It is like saying, "you only got this honor because of the color of your skin" when they truly did do amazing work. m I think that logic is faulty. What they are saying is that the hollywood establishment tends to recognize people who look like them. They are not saying they don't deserve it, they are saying there are other actors out there who ALSO deserve it. They are not saying someone should be nominated because they are not white, and they are not saying someone was nominated JUST because they are white. They ARE saying some quality performances were overlooked. A quick look at the facts... 63% of Americans are White, 74% of Actors are white but 94% of the nominating committee was white. It is shocking that none of the 20 or if you add last year 40 nominations NOT one nominee was black. I think it comes down to casting, that is where hollywood needs to start. I think shows like Broadway's Hamilton, show that white actors do not have to play white people, in it Alexander Hamilton is played by a hispanic man, and Jefferson and Aaron Burr and played by African Americans... etc.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 19, 2016 23:57:09 GMT
Experience comes from opportunity. Just a thought, but couldn't Will Smith give them the opportunity? Seems a little ironic, no? That's what I was thinking. I guess it's only ok to want it as long as it doesn't hurt you
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Post by delila on Jan 20, 2016 0:23:39 GMT
Give them a participation award, you know, like the ones our kids got in sports just for showing up.
FFS, does anyone give a damn what she says anyhow?
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Post by jenkate77 on Jan 20, 2016 0:25:32 GMT
I find Will Smith so obnoxious in recent years that I can't take anything he or his wife says seriously.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 20, 2016 0:41:58 GMT
Maybe Kanye can run up and take the mike and start another "Imma let you talk in a minute..."
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jan 20, 2016 1:23:09 GMT
I agree with Lauren. But it looks like the Academy has already caved based on the statement they issued. Sad.
Someone mentioned the majority f the Academy - 90% were white. The last census indicated about 13% of the population is African American. Sure there is room for more diversity but I predict over time in the spirit of political correctness the pendulum will swing the other way.
I think this is more a case of sour grapes than anything else.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 20, 2016 1:34:57 GMT
I agree with Lauren. But it looks like the Academy has already caved based on the statement they issued. Sad. Someone mentioned the majority f the Academy - 90% were white. The last census indicated about 13% of the population is African American. Sure there is room for more diversity but I predict over time in the spirit of political correctness the pendulum will swing the other way. I think this is more a case of sour grapes than anything else. 63% of Americans are white yet 90% of the Academy is.... so it is not just African Americans who are under represented but White Americans who are grossly over represented.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jan 20, 2016 1:48:32 GMT
I agree with Lauren. But it looks like the Academy has already caved based on the statement they issued. Sad. Someone mentioned the majority f the Academy - 90% were white. The last census indicated about 13% of the population is African American. Sure there is room for more diversity but I predict over time in the spirit of political correctness the pendulum will swing the other way. I think this is more a case of sour grapes than anything else. 63% of Americans are white yet 90% of the Academy is.... so it is not just African Americans who are under represented but White Americans who are grossly over represented. According to 2010 Census data, those who are not white, alone or in combination was 23% of the population. I did say there was room for improvement in diversity but I don't find it as grossly over representation. The appointments are lifetime and over time the problem will self correct. If there was an outstanding movie or performance in the last two years that was overlooked, I think then there would be something to actually be outraged over.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jan 20, 2016 2:22:52 GMT
The Academy voting has been due for a shake up for a very long time. Honestly, in his entire body of work and Paul Newman won for "The Color of Money"? Henry Fonda didn't win until "On Golden Pond" when they were afraid he would die before he could get nominated again. I have advocated for years that honestly, some years, there is no best, there is just meh in all the categories. "let it go" might be a popular song but it isn't that great. There are a bazillion movies that have won over the years and you're thinking what the heck were the academy smoking. And do remember the Academy get lobbied (perks, gifts whatever you want to call it) for their support. I find limits such as the top 5 vote getters to get the nomination arbitrary. Much better to say that any actor with X percentage of vote will be considered nominated, not less that 4/5 nominees. FWIW Kate Bigelow's "Zero Dark Thirty" was crap compared to "American Sniper" - Kate got that to piss off James Cameron, so he wouldn't get it for "Avatar" which was a far better film conceptually and directorially. I wonder if this will fast track "Hamilton" to the big screen, which will still not see it in theatres until 2018 at the earliest. As for Chris Rock hosting, all I can say is this is gonna be good!!!!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 20, 2016 2:55:03 GMT
I agree with Lauren. But it looks like the Academy has already caved based on the statement they issued. Sad. Someone mentioned the majority f the Academy - 90% were white. The last census indicated about 13% of the population is African American. Sure there is room for more diversity but I predict over time in the spirit of political correctness the pendulum will swing the other way. I think this is more a case of sour grapes than anything else. 63% of Americans are white yet 90% of the Academy is.... so it is not just African Americans who are under represented but White Americans who are grossly over represented. Although as to be part of the Academy you have to part of the film industry, the overall census is irrelevant. Only Writers, producers and directors with 2 screen credits are eligible. Actors are required to have 3 credits. The last statistic I could find was that minorities made on only 5% of the screenwriter's guild. I couldn't find a total percentage of minorities in the screen actor's guild, but I did find a report on casting that showed minorities made up less than 10% of the roles.
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Post by jbelle on Jan 20, 2016 3:11:47 GMT
Give them a participation award, you know, like the ones our kids got in sports just for showing up. FFS, does anyone give a damn what she says anyhow? delila Hmmm, I thought that I didn't but this thread was created and is now at four pages long so I guess we do
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Post by peasapie on Jan 20, 2016 3:22:50 GMT
While I certainly don't believe in the idea of an affirmative-action-style award nomination, I do have to wonder how they missed nominating Will Smith for Concussion and Idris Elba for Beasts of No Nation.
With that said, Jada and Spike can afford to boycott, but lots of lesser known actors cannot afford to snub people in Hollywood -- notorious for their long memories. I hope they keep that in mind and don't pressure others to follow suit.
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Post by Olan on Jan 20, 2016 4:46:15 GMT
Close your eyes and ask yourself if you'd like to be a white actress or a black actress. Can I be Halle Berry? Viola Davis wasn't your first choice...why?
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jan 20, 2016 6:10:52 GMT
I saw that and thought it was an awesome statement.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jan 20, 2016 6:52:37 GMT
For whomever it was asking about Chris Rock, he is well known for stating the obvious in a very comedic way and the differences in black people and white people. His choice to host is almost prophetic, we may not have time for the awards for all the material this has landed in his lap.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 7:00:42 GMT
My husband sees at least a movie a week, and his reaction? Based on how crappy and out of touch with the average moviegoer a bulk of these nominations are, they don't WANT to be nominated.
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Post by Kymberlee on Jan 20, 2016 10:40:40 GMT
Viola Davis wasn't your first choice...why? Good lord, you're prickly.
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Post by Olan on Jan 20, 2016 12:15:42 GMT
Viola Davis wasn't your first choice...why? Good lord, you're prickly. I asked my question with the hope that some Pea would have a private aha moment. You think it was "prickly" but really I should have let her answer stand on its own. You guys have an awesome week. Enjoy the awards.
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Post by grinningcat on Jan 20, 2016 12:20:50 GMT
Good lord, you're prickly. I asked my question with the hope that some Pea would have a private aha moment. You think it was "prickly" but really I should have let her answer stand on its own. You guys have an awesome week. Enjoy the awards. A private aha moment about what? So someone picked Halle Berry over Viola Davis. What's the big deal. The first name to come to my mind is Zoe Saldana. Does that make my answer incorrect in your eyes as well? What are you trying to insinuate with your Viola Davis comment? What makes Viola Davis superior in your eyes?
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Post by Kymberlee on Jan 20, 2016 12:30:13 GMT
Good lord, you're prickly. I asked my question with the hope that some Pea would have a private aha moment. You think it was "prickly" but really I should have let her answer stand on its own. You guys have an awesome week. Enjoy the awards. It sounds more like you are wanting to pick a fight. I think I can guess what you are insinuating, but maybe I am wrong.
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Post by grinningcat on Jan 20, 2016 12:33:55 GMT
I asked my question with the hope that some Pea would have a private aha moment. You think it was "prickly" but really I should have let her answer stand on its own. You guys have an awesome week. Enjoy the awards. It sounds more like you are wanting to pick a fight. I think I can guess what you are insinuating, but maybe I am wrong. Can you fill me in? Is it because one is more attractive in the stereotypical sense than the other? Or something more nefarious.
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Post by Olan on Jan 20, 2016 13:08:30 GMT
I asked my question with the hope that some Pea would have a private aha moment. You think it was "prickly" but really I should have let her answer stand on its own. You guys have an awesome week. Enjoy the awards. A private aha moment about what? So someone picked Halle Berry over Viola Davis. What's the big deal. The first name to come to my mind is Zoe Saldana. Does that make my answer incorrect in your eyes as well? What are you trying to insinuate with your Viola Davis comment? What makes Viola Davis superior in your eyes? No worries. I've said my peace I think any continued dialogue wouldn't change where either of us stand. Also Kymberlee I wasn't trying to pick a fight. I responded to you calling me prickly. Nothing more.
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Post by grinningcat on Jan 20, 2016 13:45:36 GMT
A private aha moment about what? So someone picked Halle Berry over Viola Davis. What's the big deal. The first name to come to my mind is Zoe Saldana. Does that make my answer incorrect in your eyes as well? What are you trying to insinuate with your Viola Davis comment? What makes Viola Davis superior in your eyes? No worries. I've said my peace I think any continued dialogue wouldn't change where either of us stand. Also Kymberlee I wasn't trying to pick a fight. I responded to you calling me prickly. Nothing more. Well I asked you what the point of your question was... and I would appreciate a continuation of the dialogue since I am curious about what you meant? However, your dismissal of me makes it plain to me that you don't want to have a discussion, you just want to be prickly as kymberlee said. You have no idea where I stand on this issue, so I'd prefer you stop assuming what I am thinking.
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Post by Olan on Jan 20, 2016 14:27:54 GMT
No worries. I've said my peace I think any continued dialogue wouldn't change where either of us stand. Also Kymberlee I wasn't trying to pick a fight. I responded to you calling me prickly. Nothing more. Well I asked you what the point of your question was... and I would appreciate a continuation of the dialogue since I am curious about what you meant? However, your dismissal of me makes it plain to me that you don't want to have a discussion, you just want to be prickly as kymberlee said. You have no idea where I stand on this issue, so I'd prefer you stop assuming what I am thinking. The wording/tone of your questioning of my question and the comments made by Kymberlee just gave me an inkling that me either answering your question or continuing the dialogue would prove fruitless. I didn't dismiss you or assume what your take on the matter was/is. I just made a personal choice to step back from the conversation. It can continue without me. It already has. Can you see where I am coming from in not wanting to do the back and forth. Have a great day
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 20, 2016 14:38:40 GMT
Viola Davis wasn't your first choice...why? Because Halle Berry is a gorgeous talented actress. ETA - I suppose I should have finished the thread before responding. I'm sorry if my comment offended you.
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Post by Olan on Jan 20, 2016 14:43:51 GMT
Viola Davis wasn't your first choice...why? Because Halle Berry is a gorgeous talented actress. ETA - I suppose I should have finished the thread before responding. I'm sorry if my comment offended you. No I wasn't offended. Have a great day.
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Post by grinningcat on Jan 20, 2016 14:54:44 GMT
Well I asked you what the point of your question was... and I would appreciate a continuation of the dialogue since I am curious about what you meant? However, your dismissal of me makes it plain to me that you don't want to have a discussion, you just want to be prickly as kymberlee said. You have no idea where I stand on this issue, so I'd prefer you stop assuming what I am thinking. The wording/tone of your questioning of my question and the comments made by Kymberlee just gave me an inkling that me either answering your question or continuing the dialogue would prove fruitless. I didn't dismiss you or assume what your take on the matter was/is. I just made a personal choice to step back from the conversation. It can continue without me. It already has. Can you see where I am coming from in not wanting to do the back and forth. Have a great day Not really. But whatever. I'm no longer interested in someone who makes the kind of assumptions you have made about me. Ciao.
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