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Post by Jockscrap on Apr 8, 2016 22:51:25 GMT
I would only pay up to the cost of the estimate. Anything above the estimate the shop needs to get permission before performing the work. So, anything over, their loss. This makes sense to me. I wouldn't want to profit from someone's genuine mistake, but I would want to establish if no labour was charged originally because it was in fact a recall repair. Could it be possible that someone in the accounts department noticed that labour hadn't been charged (correctly) but misunderstood that as a billing error? If labour should have been charged, I would not expect to pay more than the estimate under any circumstances without the extra cost being approved by me, or at the very, very least, justified by the garage. It seems a wee bit cheeky of the garage to ask for more than the original estimate when they are already coming back to you to pay more because of their error.
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Post by AussieMeg on Apr 8, 2016 22:52:31 GMT
I would pay what the original estimate was.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 8, 2016 23:14:50 GMT
I would only pay up to the cost of the estimate. Anything above the estimate the shop needs to get permission before performing the work. So, anything over, their loss. yeah that
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Post by Really Red on Apr 8, 2016 23:19:14 GMT
I would pay, but not be so happy about it. People do make errors and if my regular mechanic did, then I would absolutely pay. I just don't like this whole thing. How quickly did they call? The same day? I'd probably be more inclined. Did they offer a discount on the total since they made an error? I'd pay right up.
How much over the estimate was it?
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Post by anxiousmom on Apr 8, 2016 23:31:19 GMT
Maybe I am feeling contrary tonight, but isn't the onus on the business to go over the invoice prior to asking for payment and later mistakes should be there problem to solve, not yours? I am all about fairness and good karma and all that, but while it is my responsibility to review the invoice, I am not a mechanic and don't know all the ins and outs of what is supposed to be on there.
If I then pay in good faith, and they accept that payment-shouldn't it then be their issue to solve?
I am not trying to being ugly, but I think I wouldn't pay.
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Post by pepperwood on Apr 8, 2016 23:46:02 GMT
was it in fact a recall repair? if so, it should have been less than the estimate regardless. I wouldn't have offered to pay more than the estimate though. I would have asked them to meet me part way. But it sounds like you are saying it was a recall and it was still higher than your estimate which doesn't make sense. I always thought that the owner doesn't have to pay anything--parts or labor--for recall repairs. The car manufacturer reimburses the dealer for the cost.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Apr 9, 2016 1:06:05 GMT
This happened to me once and I was furious. I took my car in for a few things under warranty and I let them do some other work on my car that needed to be done because the estimated price was fine. They called me to pick it up with a total that was several hundred dollars over the estimate. They also told me that they couldn't replace one item since the product was discontinued. I think they just didn't want to bother with it. Anyway, the manage spoke with me and I only paid the estimated amount.
I never went back. I always had good service before that and appreciated the free loaner car, but it's so far away and it's not worth the hassle especially if they make mistakes like that. There were a few other issues and it's not worth the spike on blood pressure to deal with them.
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Post by txdancermom on Apr 9, 2016 1:46:41 GMT
I wouldn't pay it - you have a bill, that they said was the final bill, and you paid what they said was owed, and it shows paid in full. When they present you with the bill, they should ensure all charges are on it before it is presented, and they didn't. I think they are going to have to write off the cost,
If this was a mechanic I had a relationship with, and really trusted, I might consider paying some or all of the charge as good will.
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Post by iowgirl on Apr 9, 2016 3:48:01 GMT
If they gave me the bill, I paid it, and it was marked PAID IN FULL - I would be done. They would have to eat it. They made the mistake, not me.
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Post by mom on Apr 9, 2016 4:26:22 GMT
Maybe I am feeling contrary tonight, but isn't the onus on the business to go over the invoice prior to asking for payment and later mistakes should be there problem to solve, not yours? I am all about fairness and good karma and all that, but while it is my responsibility to review the invoice, I am not a mechanic and don't know all the ins and outs of what is supposed to be on there. If I then pay in good faith, and they accept that payment-shouldn't it then be their issue to solve? I am not trying to being ugly, but I think I wouldn't pay. This is how I am feeling.... BUT it would depend on: how long they took to find mistake? Their chances of getting the extra amount is greatly increased if they catch it sooner. After a day? Yeah, probably not going to pay the whole amount. Was the problem part of a recall? If it was, then you shouldn't have to pay it anyway. If I did pay, A) I would pay only up to the amount of the estimate and B) I would definitely be taking this up with the manager in person.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Apr 9, 2016 7:30:24 GMT
Legally, probably, you are in the right, but morally? The work WAS carried out. If this is a local garage, an unpaid bill of hundreds of dollars could break them. Do the decent thing and pay the bill, or at least the estimate.
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Post by craftykitten on Apr 9, 2016 9:40:29 GMT
Legally, probably, you are in the right, but morally? The work WAS carried out. If this is a local garage, an unpaid bill of hundreds of dollars could break them. Do the decent thing and pay the bill, or at least the estimate. She already said she paid it. There are so many moral people on here. How come I never meet any in real life?
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Post by anniebygaslight on Apr 9, 2016 11:48:31 GMT
Legally, probably, you are in the right, but morally? The work WAS carried out. If this is a local garage, an unpaid bill of hundreds of dollars could break them. Do the decent thing and pay the bill, or at least the estimate. She already said she paid it. There are so many moral people on here. How come I never meet any in real life? Maybe it is the company you keep.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Apr 9, 2016 12:02:25 GMT
If they gave me the bill, I paid it, and it was marked PAID IN FULL - I would be done. They would have to eat it. They made the mistake, not me. Ditto.
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Post by gypsymama on Apr 9, 2016 12:27:01 GMT
i wouldn't pay it, especially given that its a recall issue.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 9, 2016 13:07:33 GMT
I didn't realize that you had to pay for a recall repair. Is that a warranty issue? I had to take my car in for a recall airbag repair, and I paid nothing.
How does that work?
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Post by Miss Ang on Apr 9, 2016 14:07:48 GMT
It was a mistake. We all make mistakes. You know it was less than the estimate. You know you didn't pay for labor. You know you owe them for the service they provided. I can't imagine NOT paying it. ETA: I misread something; if the amount due is more than the estimate, I would be questioning why. But I still stand by my original post that if I knew I owed them and they didn't charge me enough at the time payment was collected, I would pay it.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Apr 9, 2016 14:30:54 GMT
Does the invoice you have include a cost for labor? Honestly, if this was really owed and it was just a mistake, I would pay for it. I mean, if you OVERPAID by a couple of hundred dollars and realized the mistake, wouldn't you want that money back? I would think the right thing to do is pay for what you truly owe and not attempt to stick it to them for an obvious mistake.
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Post by trollie on Apr 9, 2016 15:12:14 GMT
With the extra amount, would the bill equal the cost of the estimate? The bill is now slightly more than the estimate. I would pay.
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Post by genny on Apr 9, 2016 16:08:43 GMT
Hm…that's a tough question. I haven't read any responses so far, but I think I would talk with the manager first and see what his reaction was and then decide. As a business owner, I know how bad it hurts to lose money from a job…but at the same time, it's my job to make sure that estimates and invoices are correct. If I misquote a job, then that is on me.
Recently we had a situation where we picked a job that's a yearly event. It's a nice sized job and comes during the season where we are *just* starting to get busy for spring. It was a welcomed addition this year to our spring line up as it comes a little early and pays well. Since we hadn't done it before DH asked the supervising person about how long the previous company had spent on the installation for the event. He told us 4 hours, so we quoted it for him based on that information (no reason to think it was not accurate)
The job took 2 men 12 hours to complete. Which meant the work we'd had scheduled for the rest of the day didn't get done and I was in the shop alone an entire day. So DH spoke to one of the other crews that was there doing lighting - the lighting was based around the signs that we hung so they were working right behind our guys. DH asked them how long this job typically took them and the lighting guy said it usually took between 12-14 hours working behind the sign guys! WHAT?? We were told 4 hours - this guy laughed and was like, um NO.
So I talked to the customer (who had been on site and saw first hand how it actually was done) and spoke to DH multiple times. We agreed that next year we would bill it at 12 hours labor. He offered to pay for 12 hours for this year, but we said no let's split the difference in the extra hours we didn't quote for. He was happy, we didn't LOSE money (but didn't make the profit we wanted on the labor). And he has come back to us already for another job we wouldn't have had otherwise.
See if you can work out a compromise. Most small business owners aren't out to rip you off in any way, we just want to make sure our expenses are covered and make a little money while we keep our customers happy!
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Post by wallyagain on Apr 9, 2016 16:28:53 GMT
I asked my DH who is the service manager at an RV dealership. The work, billing, estimate process would be similar.
He said he would never go back to a customer if the invoice was done incorrectly. He did qualify that with only if it was a customer he knew well enough to be comfortable doing that. 99% of the time his shop would eat the mistake.
Knowing that perspective, I'm not sure what I would do.
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Post by Hayjaker on Apr 9, 2016 16:52:13 GMT
Maybe I am feeling contrary tonight, but isn't the onus on the business to go over the invoice prior to asking for payment and later mistakes should be there problem to solve, not yours? I am all about fairness and good karma and all that, but while it is my responsibility to review the invoice, I am not a mechanic and don't know all the ins and outs of what is supposed to be on there. If I then pay in good faith, and they accept that payment-shouldn't it then be their issue to solve? I am not trying to being ugly, but I think I wouldn't pay. I wouldn't pay either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 16:59:45 GMT
Legally, probably, you are in the right, but morally? The work WAS carried out. If this is a local garage, an unpaid bill of hundreds of dollars could break them. Do the decent thing and pay the bill, or at least the estimate. She already said she paid it. There are so many moral people on here. How come I never meet any in real life? I doubt some here would even practice what they preach if they find themselves in the same situation.
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Post by annabella on Apr 9, 2016 18:47:44 GMT
If you ever plan on going back you have to pay. However computer glitch doesn't fly with me. The person who gave you the bill saw it was low balled such a huge amount and didn't see the word labor anywhere on the bill. Because of that, I would ask for a discount.
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Post by anniefb on Apr 9, 2016 19:25:37 GMT
Well my first reaction would be to pay it - if it's less than the "estimate" because the work has been carried out and it sounds like a mistake. In legal terms, there's a difference between an "estimate" and a "quotation." The former is an indication of what it'll cost, but isn't binding. The latter means that's what it's going to cost and once you accept it, there's a contract to do the work for that price. The supplier/seller can't charge you more unless you agree to the extra cost before they do the work.
And at least in New Zealand, an invoice can be adjusted for errors if it has "E&OE" (errors and omissions excepted) on it, or the supplier has reserved the right to do that through the terms and conditions of your contract with them.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Apr 9, 2016 22:42:36 GMT
Your question has been answered to death, so I would just like to say I'm sorry that you had this happen.
Thinking you were paid up, using the money for something else, then finding out you 'owed' more would be very frustrating and disappointing. Not to mention stressful if it causes a hardship.
When we were in business, we would have eaten the mistake.
Something similar happened to us 4 years ago. I saved my money to get a breast reduction in Costa Rica as we had no health insurance.
XH put the money I saved on his card, and used that to pay the surgery the day beforehand.
While I was recuperating in the hotel room, my X was entertaining himself in the town (did you know prostitution is free and everywhere in Costa Rica? I didn't , either), and just as we were leaving the country, the doctor's receptionist frantically called saying she made a mistake and they only charged half the amount.
X said he would pay the rest but never did. A few months later I discovered his double life, he assaulted me, and now he's in prison. The surgeon never got the rest of his money, and I still feel bad about it.
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Post by Miss Ang on Apr 10, 2016 14:14:45 GMT
She already said she paid it. There are so many moral people on here. How come I never meet any in real life? I doubt some here would even practice what they preach if they find themselves in the same situation. I can assure you, I would. I have gone back into a store when I realized there was something in the bottom of the cart that I had overlooked and not paid for. I would not intentionally keep something that I knew I had not paid for. I received a duplicate shipping from a business before and I called them to report the error. In that case, I was told to keep the duplicate order at no charge and they were sorry for the mistake. I wouldn't have felt right just keeping it because they made a mistake.
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Post by mandasue on Apr 10, 2016 18:59:18 GMT
I would have first questioned why the final bil was less than the quote especially if it were several hundred dollars? If you feel like you shouldn't pay it at all maybe ask what the mechanics % is. My husband makes 18-21%. He may not get paid if you don't pay that labor fee or slide him his portion in cash where allowed. The bad part is the poor mechanic that won't get paid had nothing to do with the messed up ticket that would fall in the service manager ask me how much money dh has lost bc the service managers have forgetton to charge for stuff.
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Post by cade387 on Apr 11, 2016 13:05:42 GMT
was it in fact a recall repair? if so, it should have been less than the estimate regardless. I wouldn't have offered to pay more than the estimate though. I would have asked them to meet me part way. But it sounds like you are saying it was a recall and it was still higher than your estimate which doesn't make sense. I always thought that the owner doesn't have to pay anything--parts or labor--for recall repairs. The car manufacturer reimburses the dealer for the cost. that is correct. If it is recall it should be zero, if it is warranty it can be zero for parts but sometimes you owe for labor.
But she went in thinking it "could" be for recall. If it was then it would be less than the estimate and they should not be charging her labor. She never clarified if it ended up being for a recall or not. I would expect not, since they are in fact charging her - otherwise it is extremely shady.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 11, 2016 13:10:36 GMT
Nope.
Just like I am responsible for making sure that my invoices are accurate, so are they. If they forget to put something as important and integral as labour on the invoice, you pay the invoice in full, they can't call "backsies" and demand that you pay more money than the final invoice. It's their stupid tax. The amount on the paid in full invoice was agreed upon by both parties, it's a done deal.
I would be questioning the reliability of a mechanic that forgets to put something as important as labour on the invoice and then has the balls to demand more money after the bill is paid. He's trying to make his problem yours by guilting you into paying more.
Find a new mechanic.
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