msliz
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Post by msliz on Apr 13, 2016 0:22:44 GMT
DD is about to enroll in college for the fall, and although we like her choice very much, there is something nagging at me. I've voiced my concerns a few times, but DD and DH brush it off. I still think it's a valid concern.
DD is interested in the sciences, most likely Biology. When it comes to grad school, internships, and employment, is there an advantage to graduates who have earned a BS over graduates with a BA? Never mind the school or the program; I'm only speaking to the degree. I think that from that perspective she'd be better off with a BS, but they insist it will make no difference to her future at all.
Are there any Peas who can speak to this question? In a science field, wouldn't a BS be more advantageous than a BA?
ETA, the HS guidance counselor agrees with me.
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gsquaredmom
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Post by gsquaredmom on Apr 13, 2016 0:32:36 GMT
I have a BA in Chem. My college did not offer BS, but the coursework was the same. My degree is ACS certified. I got into every grad school with heaps of fellowship and assistantship offers. I don't think the degree mattered for me. My coursework, gpa, GRE, my honors designation, and probably most importantly, all my independent research, mattered. For my essays, I described all my research experiences and papers. That is what they really cared about. Nothing about hardships, etc. Just straight research description.
Would a BS without all that be better compared to a BA? Maybe. But my BA emphasized research and good writing. And it made no difference that it was a BA for grad school. I suspect it might make a difference in the private sector. Your daughter can contact grad schools she is interested in attending and ask.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 13, 2016 0:35:54 GMT
You can't evaluate a ba vs a bs without taking into consideration the school. The robustness of the actual curriculum is what matters.
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msliz
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Post by msliz on Apr 13, 2016 0:36:45 GMT
Thanks gsquaredmom, I'm glad to learn that it made no difference in your case!
And thank you Darcy Collins. There are so many good things to say about her school and her program that they outweighed any other concerns I had. Still, I was wondering about the degree aspect of it.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Apr 13, 2016 0:36:55 GMT
When I was advising "undecided" students or those in "pre-majors," I used to tell them it depended on what they wanted to do with the degree. If they wanted to go on to graduate school with a research emphasis, the BS usually was a better way to prepare, based on the courses they were required to take for the BS.
Ironically, for those headed to med school or other health fields, there wasn't that much of a difference. The core classes that were required for med school were the same under both BS and BA. The difference was found in the language requirement for the BA vs. the additional science/math/stats requirements for the BS.
Look at what your student wants to do with the degree and what is required for any grad programs of interest. Then compare the BS and BA requirements to see which one Is the best fit. Programs can vary a lot from school to school, so what is true for a BS from one school may not be true for another.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Apr 13, 2016 0:41:00 GMT
I have a BA in Chem. My college did not offer BS, but the coursework was the same. My degree is ACS certified. I got into every grad school with heaps of fellowship and assistantship offers. I don't think the degree mattered for me. My coursework, gpa, GRE, my honors designation, and probably most importantly, all my independent research mattered. For my essays, I described all my research experiences and papers. That is what they really cared about. Nothing about hardships, etc. Just straight research description. Would a BS without all that be better compared to a BA? Maybe. But my BA emphasized research and good writing. And it made no difference that it was a BA for grad school. I suspect it might make a difference in the private sector. Your daughter can contact grad schools she is interested in attending and ask. I have a BS in International Relations. It was previously a BA program, which meant 4 required semesters of foreign language. But the PoliSci Department thought the Language Department was lacking in quality and so changed the PoliSci degrees to BS degrees, which meant 2 classes with lab components. So I took basic biology and botany, which I'm sure you can imagine really increased my diplomatic skills. But the PoliSci professors thought the change was important because they thought the students would have a better educational foundation with the science classes than the (based on my experience) pretty useless language coursework. Occasionally, someone thought it was curious that the degree was BS rather than a BA, but I think that was mostly just curiosity-- I am sure it mattered very little. Grades, the actual courses, and the other stuff (internship, papers, etc.) were more important, and they stand on their own, whatever initials you group them under.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 13, 2016 0:52:09 GMT
My brother has a BA in biochemistry My dad has a BS in Accounting
It is honestly going to depend on the school.
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Post by maryland on Apr 13, 2016 1:49:17 GMT
My brother has a BA in biochemistry My dad has a BS in Accounting It is honestly going to depend on the school. What does your brother do? My daughter is a freshman in college, and is thinking of switching from biology to biochemistry. She did really well in Chemistry, and is in Organic Chemistry this semester. I don't know much about that field and what jobs biochemistry majors go into. She may also switch to biomedical engineering (but that was my idea, not hers ).
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msliz
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Post by msliz on Apr 13, 2016 1:55:34 GMT
Thanks everyone, I think I can chill now
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 13, 2016 2:42:20 GMT
My brother has a BA in biochemistry My dad has a BS in Accounting It is honestly going to depend on the school. What does your brother do? My daughter is a freshman in college, and is thinking of switching from biology to biochemistry. She did really well in Chemistry, and is in Organic Chemistry this semester. I don't know much about that field and what jobs biochemistry majors go into. She may also switch to biomedical engineering (but that was my idea, not hers ). oddly he is a stay at home dad who writes articles on the side. Before that he worked in the IT field. Before he graduated he started working with an IT firm in the mid-late 90s. He made really good money, so he never went into his field.
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Post by raindancer on Apr 13, 2016 19:23:45 GMT
At my university every BA I looked at did not have a chemistry or higher math requirement, which for grad school and in biology can really matter. I think it has a lot to do with the requirements as well, but she should consider going forward if she will come in with deficits if she goes one way rather than another.
My program is ABET accredited for one of the designations, but CEPH accredited for another. I had to go the CEPH route, while completing identical course work because I was deficient in Physics and O-Chem. Not worth an additional year of undergrad for me.
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Post by Peal on Apr 13, 2016 22:00:52 GMT
My dh has a BA in chemistry because he ended up minoring in a language. It didn't matter one bit when he applied to grad school. Although he only applied to one school because he was focused on the advisor and not the program. The fact that he was that professor's grad student has carried more weight in his industry than anything else.
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Post by mama2three on Apr 14, 2016 1:27:38 GMT
I have a BA in Chem. My college did not offer BS, but the coursework was the same. My degree is ACS certified. I got into every grad school with heaps of fellowship and assistantship offers. I don't think the degree mattered for me. My coursework, gpa, GRE, my honors designation, and probably most importantly, all my independent research, mattered. For my essays, I described all my research experiences and papers. That is what they really cared about. Nothing about hardships, etc. Just straight research description. Would a BS without all that be better compared to a BA? Maybe. But my BA emphasized research and good writing. And it made no difference that it was a BA for grad school. I suspect it might make a difference in the private sector. Your daughter can contact grad schools she is interested in attending and ask. This is my experience as well. I have a BA in Geology; my college did not give any BS degrees. The college was well known for its rigorous academic program. I got full scholarship offers and fellowships for grad school. Having a BA has never held me back. Now in the private sector, when we are hiring and someone applies with a BA, we consider the school attended and whether they offered a BS and carefully review the coursework taken as well as relevant experience. We had one applicant whose coursework was primarily focused on history of various sciences and not on the science itself. We passed as it wasn't the type of coursework we'd expect. The school should easily be able to tell her what percentage of students from that department go on to graduate programs immediately after graduation.
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