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Post by Rainbow on Jun 17, 2016 0:12:29 GMT
In the video below she explains my position very clearly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 0:22:35 GMT
In the video below she explains my position very clearly.
Do you have that list of lies? I would be interested in seeing what they are.
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Post by annabella on Jun 17, 2016 2:04:18 GMT
I think it's sickening the shooter's father is doing a media tour. He obviously loves the camera and has his own youtube channel since he announced his own presidency for Afganistan a year ago. I don't understand why legitimate media sources are interviewing him, he's only spouting off nonsense, it's a complete waste of time to watch. I wonder if he got paid for the interviews? It's looking like charges might be filed against the shooter's wife, she knew too much, and talked to him on the phone during.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 17, 2016 2:23:23 GMT
The video is nothing more than a paranoid radical, attempting to put fear into people that the big old bad government is coming to get them. The big bad Democrats--Bullshit.
I believe changes are going to be made, good ones.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 17, 2016 4:08:19 GMT
As an international Pea I have always found that thought to be something very alien and so far removed from my thinking but I could only assume that was just because of the way your nation was formed, your history etc. I took it that it was something I would never identify with and could never really empathise with because it just wasn't in my psyche. It's interesting that it's not universal I certainly have zero concern that we ought to have armed members of the general public in case the government turned on us. It's just not going to happen. Completely agree.
We have a democracy. Our votes count. I thought that was the benefit of a democracy?
I can't imagine how scared I would feel if I knew that there were members of the public out and about wherever I was that were likely to be armed. To me that is unthinkable and unnecessary.
I would hate to have to feel like that all the time and not have any say in the matter
You don't get to decide for me what I need.
This is me but from the opposing view. You don't get to decide that I need to be fearful of all the loaded weapons being carried out and about willy nilly. You don't need to be fearful at all. That is a choice.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 17, 2016 4:13:48 GMT
The video is nothing more than a paranoid radical, attempting to put fear into people that the big old bad government is coming to get them. The big bad Democrats--Bullshit. I believe changes are going to be made, good ones. Absolutely, get on the ball and make some major changes in securing this country, mental health issues and stop punishing the law abiding citizens for something they didn't do. Laws won't work for those who do not have any intention of obeying them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 4:17:31 GMT
You don't need to be fearful at all. That is a choice. Still waiting for the list of "blatant lies" the left has told. At this point I have to believe you have made it all up. Because if these "blatant lies" actually existed you could have rattled them off in an instant.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 17, 2016 4:20:14 GMT
The video is nothing more than a paranoid radical, attempting to put fear into people that the big old bad government is coming to get them. The big bad Democrats--Bullshit. I believe changes are going to be made, good ones. Absolutely, get on the ball and make some major changes in securing this country, mental health issues and stop punishing the law abiding citizens for something they didn't do. Laws won't work for those who do not have any intention of obeying them.Law abiding people have not been punished one bit in any of this, and it's offensive and a big fat lie for anyone to say so. So you can quit with the " stop punishing the law abider's crap" it's a big fat lie. The ONLY people who have been, and continue to be punished are the family's who have had loved ones murdered by use of these military/combat type weapons. No one needs them. NOT ONE PERSON outside the military.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 17, 2016 5:21:55 GMT
Absolutely, get on the ball and make some major changes in securing this country, mental health issues and stop punishing the law abiding citizens for something they didn't do. Laws won't work for those who do not have any intention of obeying them. Law abiding people have not been punished one bit in any of this, and it's offensive and a big fat lie for anyone to say so. So you can quit with the " stop punishing the law abider's crap" it's a big fat lie. The ONLY people who have been, and continue to be punished are the family's who have had loved ones murdered by use of these military/combat type weapons. No one needs them. NOT ONE PERSON outside the military. Well, you don't get to decide for me. So now what?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 8:48:20 GMT
Completely agree.
We have a democracy. Our votes count. I thought that was the benefit of a democracy?
I can't imagine how scared I would feel if I knew that there were members of the public out and about wherever I was that were likely to be armed. To me that is unthinkable and unnecessary.
I would hate to have to feel like that all the time and not have any say in the matter
This is me but from the opposing view. You don't get to decide that I need to be fearful of all the loaded weapons being carried out and about willy nilly. You don't need to be fearful at all. That is a choice.Well then I would suggest that you practice what you preach.......isn't it also your choice whether to believe or not when you say you need protection from your own government when no such threat exists except in your mind? You see, you also have a choice don't you not?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 17, 2016 11:48:02 GMT
Law abiding people have not been punished one bit in any of this, and it's offensive and a big fat lie for anyone to say so. So you can quit with the " stop punishing the law abider's crap" it's a big fat lie. The ONLY people who have been, and continue to be punished are the family's who have had loved ones murdered by use of these military/combat type weapons. No one needs them. NOT ONE PERSON outside the military. Well, you don't get to decide for me. So now what?Oh--another neener, neener, nah nah nannannah! I go about my day, comforted in the fact that changes are going to be made to ban these types of military/combat weapons. The radical paranoid viewpoint of 1 person here is not going to stop me from working on reasonable measure for gun control. It's coming!
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 17, 2016 14:23:00 GMT
You don't need to be fearful at all. That is a choice. Well then I would suggest that you practice what you preach.......isn't it also your choice whether to believe or not when you say you need protection from your own government when no such threat exists except in your mind? You see, you also have a choice don't you not? In your opinion no such threat exists, not mine. I base my decision on what I have experienced. There is a very real threat to my freedom, one that others don't want me to take seriously. In fact, they'd love it if I just ignored what is going on and let them take my freedom away.
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Post by secondlife on Jun 17, 2016 14:38:58 GMT
Well then I would suggest that you practice what you preach.......isn't it also your choice whether to believe or not when you say you need protection from your own government when no such threat exists except in your mind? You see, you also have a choice don't you not? In your opinion no such threat exists, not mine. I base my decision on what I have experienced. There is a very real threat to my freedom, one that others don't want me to take seriously. In fact, they'd love it if I just ignored what is going on and let them take my freedom away.I have a transgender friend who would say the same thing about her safety using the bathroom that does not correspond to how she presents publicly... In your opinion no threat to my safety exists, but not in mine. I base my decision on what I have experienced. There is a very real threat to my safety, one that others don't want me to take seriously. In fact, they'd love it if I just ignored the 14 transgender people who have been brutally murdered this year and let them take my safety away. I assume you will ignore me as you normally do, but I suggest that you would do well to look beyond your own self and try to understand the feelings of others too. You feel that you have something to defend. So do the rest of us - there are people who feel that what they have to defend is their LIFE. And for that matter, let's talk about the children in 64 schools where gun violence occurred last year. Or the 13,286 people who died in gun violence last year, 475 of them in mass shooting incidents. You think you have something to protect - so did every one of those 13,286 people who died from gun violence last year. So don't give me that shit about protecting your freedom above all else. Let's talk about people who want to protect their existence above all else.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 14:49:21 GMT
Well then I would suggest that you practice what you preach.......isn't it also your choice whether to believe or not when you say you need protection from your own government when no such threat exists except in your mind? You see, you also have a choice don't you not? In your opinion no such threat exists, not mine. I base my decision on what I have experienced. There is a very real threat to my freedom, one that others don't want me to take seriously. In fact, they'd love it if I just ignored what is going on and let them take my freedom away.A "very real threat" to rainbow's freedom. Hmm I wonder if it's real or imaginary. I suspect it's imaginary like the "blatant lies from the left". The real threat to the people of the US is people like rainbow can buy guns. People with this type of paranoia shouldn't have guns.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 17, 2016 14:56:27 GMT
In your opinion no such threat exists, not mine. I base my decision on what I have experienced. There is a very real threat to my freedom, one that others don't want me to take seriously. In fact, they'd love it if I just ignored what is going on and let them take my freedom away. A "very real threat" to rainbow's freedom. Hmm I wonder if it's real or imaginary. I suspect it's imaginary like the "blatant lies from the left". The real threat to the people of the US is people like rainbow can buy guns. People with this type of paranoia shouldn't have guns. AMEN.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 17, 2016 15:19:04 GMT
In your opinion no such threat exists, not mine. I base my decision on what I have experienced. There is a very real threat to my freedom, one that others don't want me to take seriously. In fact, they'd love it if I just ignored what is going on and let them take my freedom away. In your opinion no threat to my safety exists, but not in mine. I've never said that. Ever. Everyone needs to protect their freedom from anyone who would seek to take it away.
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Post by secondlife on Jun 17, 2016 15:23:30 GMT
In your opinion no threat to my safety exists, but not in mine. I've never said that. Ever. Everyone needs to protect their freedom from anyone who would seek to take it away.You edited what I said and then didn't respond to any of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 15:28:50 GMT
In your opinion no threat to my safety exists, but not in mine. I've never said that. Ever. Everyone needs to protect their freedom from anyone who would seek to take it away.The priority to most people would be to protect their life. A fundamental RIGHT to every human on this planet. My right to life tops your right to freedom anyday.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 17, 2016 15:36:29 GMT
I've never said that. Ever. Everyone needs to protect their freedom from anyone who would seek to take it away. The priority to most people would be to protect their life. A fundamental RIGHT to every human on this planet. My right to life tops your right to freedom anyday. Unless I'm killing you then you don't need to worry about that. And I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive.
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Post by secondlife on Jun 17, 2016 16:00:26 GMT
The priority to most people would be to protect their life. A fundamental RIGHT to every human on this planet. My right to life tops your right to freedom anyday. Unless I'm killing you then you don't need to worry about that. And I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive.13,000+ people in this country needed to worry about being killed by gun violence last year. Is this what you want for our country? Really? To be able to stomp your feet and yell about your freedom at the cost of 13,000+ lives in one year alone? 60+ schools experiencing gun violence in one year? Not to mention the trauma, the emotional and economic cost, the cost to families and communities? Those were people. With lives and hopes and futures and mommies and people who loved them. To me that is too high a cost. We already own the equivalent of one gun per person in the US. All these guns owned by all these people has not made us safer. I don't want to talk about freedom without talking about making us safer. I want people to be able to live to enjoy their freedom and all the guns we own in this country aren't getting that job done.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 17, 2016 16:11:38 GMT
In your opinion no threat to my safety exists, but not in mine. I've never said that. Ever. Everyone needs to protect their freedom from anyone who would seek to take it away.And they don't need assault-military-combat weapons to do so!
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 17, 2016 16:17:10 GMT
Unless I'm killing you then you don't need to worry about that. And I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive. 13,000+ people in this country needed to worry about being killed by gun violence last year. Is this what you want for our country? Really? To be able to stomp your feet and yell about your freedom at the cost of 13,000+ lives in one year alone? 60+ schools experiencing gun violence in one year? Not to mention the trauma, the emotional and economic cost, the cost to families and communities? Those were people. With lives and hopes and futures and mommies and people who loved them. To me that is too high a cost. You can't legislate away evil. It will always be there in one form or another. There is no need to make the rest of us who didn't do it have to be defenseless.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 17, 2016 16:17:59 GMT
I've never said that. Ever. Everyone needs to protect their freedom from anyone who would seek to take it away. And they don't need assault-military-combat weapons to do so! You have your opinion and I have mine. Just agree to disagree.
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Post by secondlife on Jun 17, 2016 16:21:25 GMT
13,000+ people in this country needed to worry about being killed by gun violence last year. Is this what you want for our country? Really? To be able to stomp your feet and yell about your freedom at the cost of 13,000+ lives in one year alone? 60+ schools experiencing gun violence in one year? Not to mention the trauma, the emotional and economic cost, the cost to families and communities? Those were people. With lives and hopes and futures and mommies and people who loved them. To me that is too high a cost. You can't legislate away evil. It will always be there in one form or another. There is no need to make the rest of us who didn't do it have to be defenseless.That worked out great for 13,000 people in the US last year.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 17, 2016 16:25:32 GMT
13,000+ people in this country needed to worry about being killed by gun violence last year. Is this what you want for our country? Really? To be able to stomp your feet and yell about your freedom at the cost of 13,000+ lives in one year alone? 60+ schools experiencing gun violence in one year? Not to mention the trauma, the emotional and economic cost, the cost to families and communities? Those were people. With lives and hopes and futures and mommies and people who loved them. To me that is too high a cost. You can't legislate away evil. It will always be there in one form or another. There is no need to make the rest of us who didn't do it have to be defenseless.Banning assault-military-combat type weapons leaves no one defenseless. No one.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jun 17, 2016 16:28:48 GMT
13,000+ people in this country needed to worry about being killed by gun violence last year. Is this what you want for our country? Really? To be able to stomp your feet and yell about your freedom at the cost of 13,000+ lives in one year alone? 60+ schools experiencing gun violence in one year? Not to mention the trauma, the emotional and economic cost, the cost to families and communities? Those were people. With lives and hopes and futures and mommies and people who loved them. To me that is too high a cost. You can't legislate away evil. It will always be there in one form or another. There is no need to make the rest of us who didn't do it have to be defenseless.They've succeeded in other countries. Is American evil different?
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Post by gar on Jun 17, 2016 16:54:02 GMT
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 17, 2016 16:55:47 GMT
You can't legislate away evil. It will always be there in one form or another. There is no need to make the rest of us who didn't do it have to be defenseless. That worked out great for 13,000 people in the US last year. And?
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 17, 2016 16:57:42 GMT
You can't legislate away evil. It will always be there in one form or another. There is no need to make the rest of us who didn't do it have to be defenseless. Banning assault-military-combat type weapons leaves no one defenseless. No one. Did anyone say it did?
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Post by secondlife on Jun 17, 2016 16:57:56 GMT
That worked out great for 13,000 people in the US last year. And?13,000+ people died in one year to gun violence and your response is "And?" That tells me EVERYTHING I would ever need to know.
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