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Post by carly on Jun 15, 2016 0:08:00 GMT
I have a niece who is scared to death of Muslims so I guess it goes both ways. I am sure more Muslims have killed people in the US than non Muslims have killed Muslims in the US, so you will probably be ok.
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Post by scrapmaven on Jun 15, 2016 0:10:31 GMT
I think that danger is everywhere in the world. You have a right to come and visit your loved ones and I think you should come here. Don't let the acts of some radicals keep you from enjoying your life. Don't let the words of one wealthy man keep you from the United States. This is a free country, built on the premise of all people being created equal. The haters will always exist, but you must not let them stop you from thriving. I believe that internment could happen in the USA again. However, I have faith that we're a progressive enough society that the majority wouldn't allow that to happen. When you live in fear you give in to the cowards who seek to scare us.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 15, 2016 0:14:10 GMT
My nephews are Muslim and it makes me sick that I am relieved they have "white" first names. So hopefully they won't be judged right off the bat. A guy I work with changed his last name from Mustafa to Martin because his kids were being bullied at school. This was not long after 9/11. Imagine having to do that? I understand both your relief and your dismay. It's the same reason (kind of, not really) as an atheist, I won't go to Maldives or UAE - I'd probably be fine but I'm not overly comfortable going to a country where my lack of religion is punishable by death. My dad worked in Saudi Arabia for 3 years back in the 90s. I went and stayed with him for a week and I had to enter "Christian" in the box for religion otherwise I would not have been given a visa. I figured it was not really the time to stand up for my right to not believe. OP I hope you have a safe and enjoyable trip.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 15, 2016 0:24:33 GMT
I wish there was a way I could describe what it feels like being on a plane and feeling like people are afraid of you or your husband. Or how we have to be careful not to let "inshallah" slip because if anyone hears "Allah" they freak out. Some of you really have no idea how scary things look from the outside looking in. I am sure on a plane it is unnerving.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 0:25:10 GMT
Allipeas, my heart breaks for you and your family. What more can I say? It is extremely sad that the country I iive in and love, the USA, has sunk to this, that people are fearful of coming to visit. It's just sad. I guess I would reassure your son that Trump can NOT touch him. Now or ever, and it's all political talking. I hope you guys can still enjoy your trip. Thanks Cindy. It makes me very sad, especially since I am a veteran as well. I served 4 years in the Air Force. So it is quite the bitter pill to swallow to feel this way. You are coming now during Ramadan? It seems people here tend to go a little whacko too. I don't practice in my house, I don't do my salat or anything because it's just easier than trying to explain and not get yelled at. The fear is very real here. We had a shooting just outside the mosque about 200 feet away. A taxi being driven by an Arab had his rear window shot out. People in niqabs being stopped and questioned. It is pretty bad here right now. I won't go to Iftar at the masjid on Friday nights. I mean our Iftars are lots of fun, but I am afraid of the familial backlash and just stay quiet. Don't ask don't tell. Ramadan Mubarak! Ramadan Kareem Elannah! We are celebrating now. We have to come before Ramadan is over as the family has booked a place at the beach. So unfortunately we will miss celebrating Eid. The only thing about Ramadan is the hundreds of dishes you carry back and forth for Iftar! We will just do the fasting days we missed once we get back to Morocco.
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Post by happymomma on Jun 15, 2016 0:35:28 GMT
I can understand your uneasiness. I'd be afraid to visit certain countries where Americans are hated and only vacation in this country. It's so bad in some countries that my brother who is in the US Navy tells me that in some foreign countries they are not even allowed off the ship while there because of the hatred and danger toward Americans. I have no data to back this next statement up, but I have a feeling that the USA is one of the countries that is more accepting of other cultures, despite loud grumblings by the minority. It's sad all the way around.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 0:37:31 GMT
I have a niece who is scared to death of Muslims so I guess it goes both ways. I am sure more Muslims have killed people in the US than non Muslims have killed Muslims in the US, so you will probably be ok.
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Post by TankTop on Jun 15, 2016 0:41:04 GMT
I am so sorry. I have no advice, but wanted you to know I am thinking of all of you.
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Post by verdepea on Jun 15, 2016 0:42:22 GMT
I just want to say I am so sorry you feel threatend and I don't blame you for fears. This political climate is crazy. I wish I could say something wonderful and welcoming to ease your anxiety. I wish your family a very pleasant visit. Peace be with you during yours travels. This sucks...I so wish it wasn't this way. We need a societal correction and become peace loving hippies . Meantime, I live in the Houston metro and we are a very diverse community who plays well with others. Unfortunately we too have psychopathic mass murders.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jun 15, 2016 0:45:17 GMT
Ramadan Kareem Elannah! We are celebrating now. We have to come before Ramadan is over as the family has booked a place at the beach. So unfortunately we will miss celebrating Eid. The only thing about Ramadan is the hundreds of dishes you carry back and forth for Iftar! We will just do the fasting days we missed once we get back to Morocco. I find myself saying silently to myself Inshallah all the time. To me it's I hope and and pray or God Willing. We also use alhumudlillah and mashallah all the time. I don't say a word of Arabic at home. EVER. OMG that would cause a civil war. Iftar is at 9:20 most nights and if I say Oh I am going out now...I get the "where are you going out now???" or what have you. If I want to make food for Iftar I have to make it somewhere else. It's hard. Eid will be fun. First prayers in the AM, the my Thai friend puts on a feast for about 30 and 20 people show up so the food is unbelievable. She is an excellent cook. Then we sit around and eat cake all afternoon. THEN there is the dinner at night at the community centre. It's an all day event. Did you start celebrating on the 6th of June like we did? I wonder which day the moon will be spotted and Eid can begin. Will your you and your family make it to Hajj? Going to Saudi scares me to death. I take care of an older lady and Hajjah and her husband just did Umra as they have done Hajj before. I think it would be a great experience, but I don't I will make it in my lifetime. Inshallah you will get to do it while living in Morocco. You are so much closer to it. Hopefully you will get to go in a year where Eid al Adha is in November or December! It won't be so hot then! It will be in the middle of the summer so it isn't going to be pleasant this year. I am not fasting due to taking timed medication and well not wanting to cause a war at home. Again, don't ask, don't tell. If I need to get dressed up for a meeting or something I get ready at Umm Samir's house and go with her. Easier and no questions asked. I am really hoping I will lose weight soon so I can fit an abaya I have been wanting to wear for Eid al Fatir because I have expanded out of my regular fitting ones! Stress, death in the family, more stress. You know how it is.... Hope your trip home is enjoyable and that you and the kids have a great time! Umm Rayan
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Post by nurseypants on Jun 15, 2016 0:49:39 GMT
I have a niece who is scared to death of Muslims so I guess it goes both ways. I am sure more Muslims have killed people in the US than non Muslims have killed Muslims in the US, so you will probably be ok. Gross. You are foul.
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Post by CarolT on Jun 15, 2016 0:52:04 GMT
I'm so sorry. I wish the current circumstances didn't make you feel this way I wonder if calling or emailing the mosque you used to attend here in the US for advice would be helpful?
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Post by happymomma on Jun 15, 2016 0:53:15 GMT
Ramadan Kareem Elannah! We are celebrating now. We have to come before Ramadan is over as the family has booked a place at the beach. So unfortunately we will miss celebrating Eid. The only thing about Ramadan is the hundreds of dishes you carry back and forth for Iftar! We will just do the fasting days we missed once we get back to Morocco. I find myself saying silently to myself Inshallah all the time. To me it's I hope and and pray or God Willing. We also use alhumudlillah and mashallah all the time. I don't say a word of Arabic at home. EVER. OMG that would cause a civil war. Iftar is at 9:20 most nights and if I say Oh I am going out now...I get the "where are you going out now???" or what have you. If I want to make food for Iftar I have to make it somewhere else. It's hard. Eid will be fun. First prayers in the AM, the my Thai friend puts on a feast for about 30 and 20 people show up so the food is unbelievable. She is an excellent cook. Then we sit around and eat cake all afternoon. THEN there is the dinner at night at the community centre. It's an all day event. Did you start celebrating on the 6th of June like we did? I wonder which day the moon will be spotted and Eid can begin. Will your you and your family make it to Hajj? Going to Saudi scares me to death. I take care of an older lady and Hajjah and her husband just did Umra as they have done Hajj before. I think it would be a great experience, but I don't I will make it in my lifetime. Inshallah you will get to do it while living in Morocco. You are so much closer to it. Hopefully you will get to go in a year where Eid al Adha is in November or December! It won't be so hot then! It will be in the middle of the summer so it isn't going to be pleasant this year. I am not fasting due to taking timed medication and well not wanting to cause a war at home. Again, don't ask, don't tell. If I need to get dressed up for a meeting or something I get ready at Umm Samir's house and go with her. Easier and no questions asked. I am really hoping I will lose weight soon so I can fit an abaya I have been wanting to wear for Eid al Fatir because I have expanded out of my regular fitting ones! Stress, death in the family, more stress. You know how it is.... Hope your trip home is enjoyable and that you and the kids have a great time! Umm Rayan Are you saying you're not able to practice your religion in your own home? Who in your home would start a "civil war" if you did so? That is extremely sad to me.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jun 15, 2016 0:55:15 GMT
I find myself saying silently to myself Inshallah all the time. To me it's I hope and and pray or God Willing. We also use alhumudlillah and mashallah all the time. I don't say a word of Arabic at home. EVER. OMG that would cause a civil war. Iftar is at 9:20 most nights and if I say Oh I am going out now...I get the "where are you going out now???" or what have you. If I want to make food for Iftar I have to make it somewhere else. It's hard. Eid will be fun. First prayers in the AM, the my Thai friend puts on a feast for about 30 and 20 people show up so the food is unbelievable. She is an excellent cook. Then we sit around and eat cake all afternoon. THEN there is the dinner at night at the community centre. It's an all day event. Did you start celebrating on the 6th of June like we did? I wonder which day the moon will be spotted and Eid can begin. Will your you and your family make it to Hajj? Going to Saudi scares me to death. I take care of an older lady and Hajjah and her husband just did Umra as they have done Hajj before. I think it would be a great experience, but I don't I will make it in my lifetime. Inshallah you will get to do it while living in Morocco. You are so much closer to it. Hopefully you will get to go in a year where Eid al Adha is in November or December! It won't be so hot then! It will be in the middle of the summer so it isn't going to be pleasant this year. I am not fasting due to taking timed medication and well not wanting to cause a war at home. Again, don't ask, don't tell. If I need to get dressed up for a meeting or something I get ready at Umm Samir's house and go with her. Easier and no questions asked. I am really hoping I will lose weight soon so I can fit an abaya I have been wanting to wear for Eid al Fatir because I have expanded out of my regular fitting ones! Stress, death in the family, more stress. You know how it is.... Hope your trip home is enjoyable and that you and the kids have a great time! Umm Rayan Are you saying you're not able to practice your religion in your own home? Who in your home would start a "civil war" if you did so? That is extremely sad to me. Let's say "the family" hate Muslims and don't let me practice in peace. They saw me in a hijab (the head scarf) and had a fit. Oh boy that did not go over well at all! Don't ask. Don't tell. Don't ever bring it up.
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Post by Belia on Jun 15, 2016 1:02:04 GMT
I just wanted to say that I am so very sorry that these worries are even crossing your mind. Peace be with you and your family on your travels.
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Post by txdancermom on Jun 15, 2016 1:08:40 GMT
I am sorry. I hope that you and your family have a safe trip, and know that most Americans are good people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 1:12:11 GMT
I wish there was a way I could describe what it feels like being on a plane and feeling like people are afraid of you or your husband. Or how we have to be careful not to let "inshallah" slip because if anyone hears "Allah" they freak out. Some of you really have no idea how scary things look from the outside looking in. OTOH, you have no idea the degree you are fueling your own fear and paranoia and that of your son. We find what we look for. You look for reasons to be afraid. You were looking for reasons to be afraid and to withdraw into a shell behind closed doors before you left. You found those reasons to fear then, you'll find them now. Maybe time you look for the good instead of the fear. Nothing we on the "inside" can do to make you feel better. You have to look for your own reasons to not fear.
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Post by happymomma on Jun 15, 2016 1:21:08 GMT
DT is ONE person. Even IF he becomes president he is NOT all powerful. I think you deal with your son by educating him on how the American government process works and maybe start cutting down on the amount of exposure your son has to political news if he is too young to understand the concept of one person is NOT all powerful in the US, even the president. Actually Volt, he isn't getting this from TV. It is what a lot of people are talking about here. As BeckyTech so "lovingly" put it, the FUD is real overseas. Most people I talk to hear fear and believe he will ban ALL Muslims. My son heard it at school...a non English speaking school. Who at his school is telling him this? I sure hope it wasn't a teacher, or I'd be sending him to a different school! If it was other kids, I'd have a talk with your son and explain that not all things his peers say are true and educate him on the truth of this misinformation.
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Post by lumo on Jun 15, 2016 1:44:03 GMT
I have a niece who is scared to death of Muslims so I guess it goes both ways. I am sure more Muslims have killed people in the US than non Muslims have killed Muslims in the US, so you will probably be ok. What the actual fuck.
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Post by carly on Jun 15, 2016 2:06:27 GMT
I have a niece who is scared to death of Muslims so I guess it goes both ways. I am sure more Muslims have killed people in the US than non Muslims have killed Muslims in the US, so you will probably be ok. What the actual fuck. What the actual fuck are you having a problem with?
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Post by queenbeeof3 on Jun 15, 2016 2:15:39 GMT
I feel so bad for how you are feeling but I completely understand. My daughter was a Peace Corp volunteer in your beautiful country. I was able to visit her in Morocco and have great memories of my time there. I found the people to be very family orientated and devoted to their religion. The people in Afourer where she served treated her like a daughter and were very gracious to me during my visit.
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Post by Really Red on Jun 15, 2016 2:23:31 GMT
It sucks. I just came home from the airport today and there were quite literally thousands of people dressed in hijabs (Dulles Airport) and I had to sit and watch people for three hours (another story, but apparently unaccompanied minor doesn't mean minor's mother doesn't accompany him and wait for plane to take off). I listened to people and watched people and there were truly thousands coming in and out and people talking and excusing themselves and no one was anything but polite. It doesn't mean you shouldn't be worried, but my Bangladeshi friend is here in the US now. She wears a hijab and she says she has never had anyone say anything. She comes here once a year for a month. I hope you're as lucky, but I absolutely understand your nervousness. I am so very sorry about it.
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Post by chaosisapony on Jun 15, 2016 2:28:55 GMT
Some of you really have no idea how scary things look from the outside looking in. You're right, I really don't. Your posts in this thread have been eye opening for me and I'm so sad that you and your family are afraid to travel to the US. It seems to me this could be a really good teaching tool for your son. Instead of feeding his fears by telling him not to pray etc take proactive steps by educating him about American politics and culture. Education erases fear by replacing what ifs with facts. Even if Donald Trump gets elected, he will not be a dictator and will not be able to do anything to anyone. There is no reason for your son to fear a presidential candidate. I wonder if calling or emailing the mosque you used to attend here in the US for advice would be helpful? I think that's a great idea and a really good place to start if you want to get rid of the fear and anxiety to be able to enjoy your trip. Save
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 15, 2016 2:39:47 GMT
I'm a white, middle-class, small-town, Christian American. And you are more than welcome to come and stay at my house
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Post by lumo on Jun 15, 2016 2:50:10 GMT
What the actual fuck are you having a problem with? Just seems a little offsides to me in this particular thread. And seems a little pointed as well.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 15, 2016 3:03:27 GMT
What the actual fuck are you having a problem with? Just seems a little offsides to me in this particular thread. And seems a little pointed as well. I took it as validation when every one else was saying there was no problems here. The second part seemed to be a way of saying muslims kill more then get killed, although I can't see that as either true or helpful (I don't have statistics though )
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Post by BeckyTech on Jun 15, 2016 3:03:35 GMT
As BeckyTech so "lovingly" put it, the FUD is real overseas. Sorry, did not mean to come across as harsh. This political season is divided enough as it is, so when people go putting the period where it was never said and does not belong just to create more problems irks me. We don't need it. The man says enough stupid stuff, none needs to be manufactured, dramatized, and repeated.
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Post by peano on Jun 15, 2016 3:51:22 GMT
I have a niece who is scared to death of Muslims so I guess it goes both ways. I am sure more Muslims have killed people in the US than non Muslims have killed Muslims in the US, so you will probably be ok. My, what comforting words.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 3:53:20 GMT
peano Just to be clear, those were not my words. You quoted me reacting to carly's words. ETA: sorry peano, I misunderstood your post (didn't see your smiley).
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Post by peano on Jun 15, 2016 3:59:47 GMT
No worries, ilovecookies.
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