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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 19:06:16 GMT
And I'll probably regret this, but there it is. That statement just shuts down any discussion. And intentionally used to shut me up. Congratulations on your open mindedness. The whole idea that some of these people on the left are open-minded is laughable. The only people who are entitled to the tolerance they preach are those they either agree with socially and politically or those whose life styles they agree with. That is the reality although I know that they will defend their close mindedness gleefully while parading others for not being open-minded. It's the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen This is why, in the end, conservative simply stop discussing issues and use their votes to put through their own philosophies. And then they wonder how someone like Donald Trump can rise so far Eh, to me this sounds a lot like regurgitated political pundit-speak. Not everything, including differences of opinion, is political. To label someone you disagree with as a liberal or conservative just because of their opinion on a thread like this like this, is overly simplistic, and funnily enough, rude and aggressive. I see this all the time on FB and many other sites. Someone posts an opinion on something like gorilla boy or the WDW tragedy, and someone replies with something like "these damn liberals are ruining our country with all their hate and intolerance all while claiming to be so open-minded!" or "you conservatives are all about personal responsibility, so where was gorilla mom's personal responsibility???" There's no reason for the liberal/conservative label in situations like that. Hell, even in political discussions, we'd all get a lot further if everyone would quit trying to shove people in liberal/conservative boxes so that they can automatically discount their opinions. No matter what the pundits tell (general) you, those tidy little labels are doing no one any good. They're actually making the problems much, much worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 19:07:54 GMT
Of course they do, that is their main purpose in bullying. Well, it doesn't work with me. No wonder the bullies here are so angry all the time, they suck at it! Clearly, this sounds like someone who feels "bullied."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 19:09:25 GMT
The definition of cyberbullying: the use of electronic communication to bully a person, typically by sending messages of an intimidating or threatening nature. You're a bit late with your definition. Also, yours is pointless, since what's at issue here is what actually constitutes bullying.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 19:13:43 GMT
lainey : gotcha!! thanks for the explanation! ~Lauren~ : now, why did you have to go and get personal?? weren't we having a general discussion?? All the signs of another Lauren epic hair flip are there. Long time posters should be quite familiar with the pattern. If this isn't an attack, it's still awfully personal. I mean the epic hair flip part. And yet, I halfway agree with you. I'm not proud of it, but there it is.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 28, 2016 19:18:20 GMT
I'm trying to figure out when I was rude. I don't think I'm the thin skinned one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 19:19:08 GMT
And I'll bet you an apple AND an orange that she is going to quote you and deny claiming that she doesn't feel bullied. I can hardly wait. Please someone for the love of Pete post a picture of some jellied spaghetti hoops and weenies.
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Post by elaine on Jun 28, 2016 19:20:36 GMT
I'm trying to figure out when I was rude. I don't think I'm the thin skinned one. Are you asking this sincerely, or are you being rhetorical? I can answer, if you are actually interested.
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Post by Country Ham on Jun 28, 2016 19:23:50 GMT
If there's one thing that the Peas love-and always have-it's controversy. If you keep getting 'drawn back to it,' that's solely on you. It's disingenuous bullshit to pretend like you're above the fray while you're simultaneously inserting yourself into it. As for how many threads Rainbow has started on black crime, you're being deliberately obtuse. You're almost as talented at it as she is. But I am not one who cares who engages who. My point was that if folks truly, and I mean truly didn't want people to engage or participate in her threads they wouldn't post on them ordering others "not to feed the troll" or to post immature images. All it does is keep the thread to the top of the board. I haven't participated in that discussion and the only reason I even care about it is more secondary to this discussion then her thread. I have never pretended to be above the fray. I said earlier I find those discussions entertaining and part of the reason I come here. Save
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 19:24:31 GMT
I'm trying to figure out when I was rude. I don't think I'm the thin skinned one. I thought you came off as very handslappy, condescending, and holier-than-thou. You know it never goes well when peas perceive a post that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 19:27:09 GMT
If there's one thing that the Peas love-and always have-it's controversy. If you keep getting 'drawn back to it,' that's solely on you. It's disingenuous bullshit to pretend like you're above the fray while you're simultaneously inserting yourself into it. As for how many threads Rainbow has started on black crime, you're being deliberately obtuse. You're almost as talented at it as she is. But I am not one who cares who engages who. My point was that if folks truly, and I mean truly didn't want people to engage or participate in her threads they wouldn't post on them ordering others "not to feed the troll" or to post immature images. All it does is keep the thread to the top of the board. I haven't participated in that discussion and the only reason I even care about it is more secondary to this discussion then her thread. I have never pretended to be above the fray. I said earlier I find those discussions entertaining and part of the reason I come here. SaveThen why insist that people are bullying rainbow? Why chastise people for keeping a thread at the top by replying (since it "draws [you] in" when you're doing the same damned thing by posting to the thread? And there you go again with the handslappy, judgmental stuff. You think my jello picture was immature? Too bad. I think very large religious signature images are obnoxious. Do you care? I disagree with just about everything you've said, and you're not going to change my mind. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. I'm not fine with handslappy, hypocritical people who act like they're above the fray while they're jumping into it. You're not the only one who does it, and my opinion of them is the same.
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Post by Country Ham on Jun 28, 2016 19:30:56 GMT
But I am not one who cares who engages who. My point was that if folks truly, and I mean truly didn't want people to engage or participate in her threads they wouldn't post on them ordering others "not to feed the troll" or to post immature images. All it does is keep the thread to the top of the board. I haven't participated in that discussion and the only reason I even care about it is more secondary to this discussion then her thread. I have never pretended to be above the fray. I said earlier I find those discussions entertaining and part of the reason I come here. SaveI disagree with just about everything you've said, and you're not going to change my mind. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. I'm not fine with handslappy, hypocritical people who act like they're above the fray while they're jumping into it. You're not the only one who does it, and my opinion of them is the same. I still can't figure out why it matters if some peas want to engage posters others deem trolls. One of these "trolls" has over 3,000 posts and more then earned her pea title. She is one of us. Why does it matter to others so much? Save
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Post by Country Ham on Jun 28, 2016 19:40:51 GMT
Then why insist that people are bullying rainbow? Why chastise people for keeping a thread at the top by replying (since it "draws [you] in" when you're doing the same damned thing by posting to the thread? You added this after I replied. I am not chastising per se. I have no issue with the thread being pushed up. I never complained about the thread, or the poster. It's the very people complaining about her, telling people she is a troll, who are the ones bumping it up. If THEY care so much about people not engaging her why don't they lead by example?
ETA: If they think she is a troll then reacting with trollish behavior will not work. Personally I don't care what she posts. But they are obviously trying to reach some posters with their anti troll messages.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 28, 2016 19:43:57 GMT
I can agree that my post is seen as rude by others although I wouldn't classify it as such. I'm aware that I can be abrupt when I post, I'll own that. I still contend that using the phrase that I'm "probably white and straight" is not intended to continue discussion and more egregious that any rudeness on my part. I'm disappointed when this is used because I think it cheapens real discussion. My original post was about using those tactics to shut down discussion on any topic, not just those related to racism or homophobia. I stand by my post that if certain members start a topic you disagree with its shitty to try and shut them down by posting pictures or telling people not to engage. We are diverse, there is no ONE point of view of the peas. If there was I wouldn't be here. I hold no grudges here and keep no spreadsheets.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 19:44:32 GMT
I think it's bullying when the group's intent is to drown out someone's opinion that they don't want to hear. It was different on a thread where you have an actual troll that stated his purpose was to "beat some record". (of trolling I guess) But when you have an actual Pea who's opinion's and style the group doesn't agree with and their answer is to gang up and drown out their thread, that's bullying. Actually that isn't true. If you want to call bullying bullying then be accurate and truthful. "Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. When one person shares an opinion and others don't agree and try to change the conversation, that is how the internet works. You can't search for a definition that doesn't pertain to the situation and then claim, "See, we're not bullying Rainbow." Bullying is... to aggressively dominate someone. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, ... by others, of an imbalance of social... power, WHICH DISTINGUISHES BULLYING FROM CONFLICT.
That is the definition of bullying that relates to the Rainbow situation. It had a wider range of scenarios, but to be clear, I pulled what pertained.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 28, 2016 19:46:43 GMT
Give it up Gia....bully is wrong unless they are the ones doing it. I guarantee you that if other children were doing to their child what they are doing to Rainbow scrapper, they'd be furious that their child was being "bullied".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 19:50:30 GMT
Then why insist that people are bullying rainbow? Why chastise people for keeping a thread at the top by replying (since it "draws [you] in" when you're doing the same damned thing by posting to the thread? You added this after I replied. I am not chastising per se. I have no issue with the thread being pushed up. I never complained about the thread, or the poster. It's the very people complaining about her, telling people she is a troll, who are the ones bumping it up. If THEY care so much about people not engaging her why don't they lead by example?
ETA: If they think she is a troll then reacting with trollish behavior will not work. Personally I don't care what she posts. But they are obviously trying to reach some posters with their anti troll messages.
SaveSaveWe can go on and on in circles, but you're not going to convince me that you're right in your defense of rainbow, or some of your other assertions. I'm just going to agree to disagree and stop engaging with you.
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Post by Country Ham on Jun 28, 2016 19:52:40 GMT
We can go on and on in circles, but you're not going to convince me that you're right in your defense of rainbow, or some of your other assertions. I'm just going to agree to disagree and stop engaging with you. My defense of Rainbow? Save
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 28, 2016 19:53:18 GMT
The whole idea that some of these people on the left are open-minded is laughable. The only people who are entitled to the tolerance they preach are those they either agree with socially and politically or those whose life styles they agree with. That is the reality although I know that they will defend their close mindedness gleefully while parading others for not being open-minded. It's the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen This is why, in the end, conservative simply stop discussing issues and use their votes to put through their own philosophies. And then they wonder how someone like Donald Trump can rise so far Lauren, I have yet to use the term "open-minded" in the two years we have been on this board here. Yet, you seem to love to take pot-shots at me accusing me of thinking I am open-minded and tolerant. The older I have gotten, and the more I am exposed to the hate that you and Rainbow spew, the more I know that I am entrenched in some my views and do not feel the need to be tolerant of your "pile of crap" to repeat your phrase. Nor do I parade myself as some paragon of open-mindedness. But you go on with your crusade against what you falsely purport I claim to be. And that you EVER stop discussing something because of what some lefty liberal has to say is funnier than the pictures of spaghetti jello with Vienna sausages and spray cheese. You argue whatever you want, whenever you want, and it is when the stats and facts are against you, that you ignore and stop responding. I think the bigger joke is that Lauren thinks she's open minded. Sanctimonious, holier-than-thou, she's the last person who should be talking about bullying and being open minded.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 19:55:21 GMT
Give it up Gia....bully is wrong unless they are the ones doing it. I guarantee you that if other children were doing to their child what they are doing to Rainbow scrapper, they'd be furious that their child was being "bullied". If my child acted like Rainbow I'd tell them to take a good look at themselves and how they present to people around them.
Calling transgendered freaks, saying to bad the gays didn't have guns and going around in circles instead of giving an answer contribute to the way people view her.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 28, 2016 19:57:12 GMT
I think Elaine's surgery has just fucked up her mind. She has become more combative and hateful in the last year than I've seen her and all the prior years on this message board. It's a shame. She used to stay her views and still be a nice P. I'm sure those who agree with her think she still is but there's a whole lot of us now that simply do not like the person she's become. I too have become more entrenched in my ideas as I have gotten older and feel just as free to express my views as everyone else. And it's a message board. It's not my life. So if I don't feel like talking to you or responding to you anymore Elaine that's really just too bad. I do as I please not what you expect demand I do. Sometimes you are just not worth my time and so I walk away Some of you are far more ugly than you claim I am. Holy shit you are so mean!! You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 28, 2016 19:58:40 GMT
Give it up Gia....bully is wrong unless they are the ones doing it. I guarantee you that if other children were doing to their child what they are doing to Rainbow scrapper, they'd be furious that their child was being "bullied". If my child acted like Rainbow I'd tell them to take a good look at themselves and how they present to people around them.
Calling transgendered freaks, saying to bad the gays didn't have guns and going around in circles instead of giving an answer contribute to the way people view her.
Yes, but you still wouldn't tolerate them being ganged up on constantly. And if you say you would, then you'd be lying. And frankly, I'm done with this thread because in the end, it's pointless. As another poster said, it just goes round and round in circles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 20:06:10 GMT
By a lot of people's interpretation of what constitutes bullying, then Rainbow herself is a bully. And a very accomplished, prolific one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 20:17:12 GMT
That is absolutely not true. Topics that come in for that sort of response are sometimes political but also frequently racism, homophobia, discrimination on all sorts of grounds including physical differences, and so on and so on. The problem with this train of thought is that what is considered racist, homophobic and discriminatory is the eye (ear?) of the beholder and it varies from person to person. I would suggest that in recent years that line of speech has been dumbed down, if you will, so that just about anything can be included. It has become a tactic of the left to define any speech they don't like as derogatory so as to quickly shut down the discussion since there is no adequate response.
I've been saying that for years. The news is full of stories from colleges alone, that define to a T, this need to abandon debate in favor of just outright shutting it down. We have Peas here that have honed that skill to perfection and made a sport of it. Anyone getting the treatment from them, is sucked in and labeled as part of the problem. One example of the problem with who and how is defining the racist and any discriminatory label, is the 18 page thread we had last year during the holidays. The one on letting in the refugees. Half the board was deemed xenophobic, brown people hating, disgusting, human beings because they were concerned about the vetting process and ISIS threat. They didn't fall in line with the "absolutely" train of thought, so they were slapped with a label that they were somehow less than, in the human department.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 28, 2016 20:22:45 GMT
By a lot of people's interpretation of what constitutes bullying, then Rainbow herself is a bully. And a very accomplished, prolific one. Eh, I tend to think that she enjoys attention, be it positive or negative. Otherwise, why does she keep coming back for more? Not only coming back, she starts these types of threads frequently, and she knows full well what sort of reactions that she will get.
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Post by Sam on Jun 28, 2016 20:24:02 GMT
lainey : gotcha!! thanks for the explanation! ~Lauren~ : now, why did you have to go and get personal?? weren't we having a general discussion?? I really don't see how you can seriously make that comment. This thread has been made personal from the very start. Rainbow scrapper has been hugged repeatedly. Lisa has been hugged by Elaine . This Thread has been frought with personal hugs. Why suddenly are you concerned about that? this may be explained downthread OR I am massively obtuse, but if we are all hugging the life out of each other, what's the problem? Hugs are good. I am confused. I might go to bed soon.
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Post by elaine on Jun 28, 2016 20:29:32 GMT
I really don't see how you can seriously make that comment. This thread has been made personal from the very start. Rainbow scrapper has been hugged repeatedly. Lisa has been hugged by Elaine . This Thread has been frought with personal hugs. Why suddenly are you concerned about that? this may be explained downthread OR I am massively obtuse, but if we are all hugging the life out of each other, what's the problem? Hugs are good. I am confused. I might go to bed soon. Apparently admin has changed all uses of the word "hug" to "hug." Either that or someone else has hacked into the board and done it. It happened with one of my posts too, where I know that I used "a t t a c k" and not "hug." I love this place! Some days it is like any dysfunctional family's thanksgiving dinner. ETA: I can't even type out the word a t t a c k without it being changed to hug. In both instances above, first word was a t t a c k.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 20:30:48 GMT
If my child acted like Rainbow I'd tell them to take a good look at themselves and how they present to people around them.
Calling transgendered freaks, saying to bad the gays didn't have guns and going around in circles instead of giving an answer contribute to the way people view her.
Yes, but you still wouldn't tolerate them being ganged up on constantly. And if you say you would, then you'd be lying. And frankly, I'm done with this thread because in the end, it's pointless. As another poster said, it just goes round and round in circles. I'd like to think my kids are smart enough to realize their part in the situation and correct themselves. And you know what if they are old enough to run their mouth that way and keep doing it then they are going to have to deal the consequences.
If they are 12 or younger, or on the spectrum then yes I'd probably step in but to correct my child.
Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Shouldn't Rainbow recognize her part in all this? Or is it she can say whatever she wants and not be called on?
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Post by Sam on Jun 28, 2016 20:31:25 GMT
this may be explained downthread OR I am massively obtuse, but if we are all hugging the life out of each other, what's the problem? Hugs are good. I am confused. I might go to bed soon. Apparently admin has changed all uses of the word "hug" to "hug." Either that or someone else has hacked into the board and done it. It happened with one of my posts too, where I know that I used "hug" and not "hug." I love this place! Some days it is like any dysfunctional family's thanksgiving dinner. ETA: I can't even type out the word a t t a c k without it being changed to hug. In both instances above, first word was a t t a c k. I like the hug version - very funny!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 20:33:24 GMT
By a lot of people's interpretation of what constitutes bullying, then Rainbow herself is a bully. And a very accomplished, prolific one. Eh, I tend to think that she enjoys attention, be it positive or negative. Otherwise, why does she keep coming back for more? Not only coming back, she starts these types of threads frequently, and she knows full well what sort of reactions that she will get. Oh, I totally agree with you. I don't think she's really a bully, any more than I think people are bullying her She's more of a troll. Trolls do what they do for attention and for the reactions they get.
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Post by elaine on Jun 28, 2016 20:35:00 GMT
Apparently admin has changed all uses of the word "hug" to "hug." Either that or someone else has hacked into the board and done it. It happened with one of my posts too, where I know that I used "hug" and not "hug." I love this place! Some days it is like any dysfunctional family's thanksgiving dinner. ETA: I can't even type out the word a t t a c k without it being changed to hug. In both instances above, first word was a t t a c k. I like the hug version - very funny! Now if admin / the hacker can find an auto-replacement for "bullying"
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