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Post by annabella on Jul 10, 2016 3:52:01 GMT
My company has excellent insurance and there's a guy in the mail room who has worked for my company for 30 years. Ten years ago he got into an accident, that I know no details about, and it caused him to have a significant limp. He can walk, but it looks like through his pants that his legs are deformed and he can't walk without his cane. So I guess I'm curious what happened to him that couldn't be fixed? I haven't asked him when he mentioned it, but it reminded me again today when I man from my church has a gofundme account for his car accident. It says that he "was in a very serious car accident. He is undergoing multiple surgeries and will have a long recovery. His insurance will not cover all of the costs and we would very much appreciate any help in covering those costs." It just got me thinking, since I have no experience with this, I was wondering if someone can explain to me. Does your insurance only cover a certain amount of $? Is that why the man at my company didn't have a full recovery? I'm saddened for both of them, but I just want a fuller understanding of the insurance situation so I know if it ever happened to me.
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 10, 2016 4:12:02 GMT
It's possible that his injuries were not fixable at the time or to the skill level of the doctors treating his case.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Jul 10, 2016 4:15:00 GMT
You know how sometimes you knock a coffee mug or porcelain vase over, and it breaks in a couple of pieces, and you glue it back together, but it's never quite the same? Or when you rip a hole in your clothes that isn't at the actual seam-- you can darn it or patch it, but it's not like new?
The human body's kind of like that. You can reconnect bones, and muscles, and two sides of a laceration, but it's never going to be quite the same. A lot of cosmetic fixes may not be covered, like skin grafts over a surgical site to minimize scarring, might not be covered, but I highly doubt that what you're asking about-- deformities leaving a limp after the accident-- has anything to do with insurance. That seems like something down at the structural level that was just so damaged that you can't reconstruct it all the way.
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Post by lumo on Jul 10, 2016 4:15:33 GMT
Not everything can be "fixed" as you so delicately put it.
There can also be lifetime coverage limits for insurance, but A doesn't necessarily have to do with B.
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Post by stampinbetsy on Jul 10, 2016 4:16:43 GMT
I am no insurance expert by any means, but 10 years ago, policies could have lifetime maximums that were actually pretty low when you're talking about something catastrophic. But it may also be that his injuries were such that it couldn't be corrected completely.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Jul 10, 2016 4:23:08 GMT
It occurs to me to add that the limitations of insurance might come in post-injury; it might be that he had little to no coverage for physical therapy after the accident, which perhaps would have given him more mobility. Also, without coverage for loss of income, he might have had to go back to work before his doctors thought it was wise. Both would impact the quality of your recovery.
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Post by PNWMom on Jul 10, 2016 4:40:58 GMT
The ACA did away with lifetime coverage limits. Before that, lots of plans had limits like $1 million over your life. In 2013, when I was diagnosed with cancer, my insurance company spent over $500k on my treatment (two surgeries, 20 rounds of chemo, one ER visit and an overnight in the hospital, plus 50-some outpatient appointments with MDs and a PT). Doesn't take much for things to add up at all. Definitely one of the good things to come out of the ACA.
As for the guy with the limp (RN here with 15 years of experience specializing in orthopedic and trauma patients), there are lots of reasons why he may still have a limp. He may have had enough damage in a leg that the bone loss made one leg end up shorter than the other; he may need a hip or knee replacement but doesn't have the $$ to pay the out of pocket costs; he may just have chronic pain from post-traumatic arthritis that you can't really get rid of.
The $$ factor comes into play a bunch. My insurance has a max out of pocket of $2500 a year. You'd think that would mean that I only paid $2500 for my care in 2013, for example, but that isn't true. Medications don't count towards the OOP amount. Copays for my overnight in the hospital (I think it was $200 a day) don't count. Tons of other things. I ended up paying more like $5k out of pocket that year (plus $11k for fertility preservation, which wasn't covered at all). So gofundme accounts help with the copays, or for things that the insurance refuses to cover--I needed a bath seat to sit down and take a shower, because the chemo hit me really really hard for a few doses and I just couldn't stand up in the shower that long. Not covered. Lots of things like that come up and aren't covered at all or aren't covered fully.
Also, you think about things like time off of work--once you blow through all your sick and vacation time, you are not getting paid anymore. I would have absolutely lost my house if there hadn't been a program at work for people to donate their vacation time. I worked 40% for the 20 weeks I did chemo, and took off another month between my two surgeries. Had over 500 hours donated to me. Gofundme would be a lifesaver for someone without this option.
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Post by Dictionary on Jul 10, 2016 5:04:29 GMT
When I was a teenager my boyfriend and friend went riding dirt bikes. The friend's girlfriend decided to go for a ride and basically lost control and wrecked the bike. The outcome was that her feet were smashed. She has had multiple surgeries to correct her feet, by multiple I means dozens..she walks with a limp..there is only so much you can fix.
If he was in an accident and it was not his fault he would not have an issue with medical coverage. If it was his fault and used your companies insurance he more than likely met his deductible and additional surgeries may or may not cost him anything. Easy enough to figure out if you look at your coverage. However getting to that point may not be affordable. Since the affordable care act to have quality insurance will cost you.
My guess is he shattered his leg in some manner that no amount of surgeries would be able to adequately fix it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 5:28:42 GMT
My company has excellent insurance and there's a guy in the mail room who has worked for my company for 30 years. Ten years ago he got into an accident, that I know no details about, and it caused him to have a significant limp. He can walk, but it looks like through his pants that his legs are deformed and he can't walk without his cane. So I guess I'm curious what happened to him that couldn't be fixed? I haven't asked him when he mentioned it, but it reminded me again today when I man from my church has a gofundme account for his car accident. It says that he "was in a very serious car accident. He is undergoing multiple surgeries and will have a long recovery. His insurance will not cover all of the costs and we would very much appreciate any help in covering those costs." It just got me thinking, since I have no experience with this, I was wondering if someone can explain to me. Does your insurance only cover a certain amount of $? Is that why the man at my company didn't have a full recovery? I'm saddened for both of them, but I just want a fuller understanding of the insurance situation so I know if it ever happened to me. There are some things my insurance will cover 100% but there are other things it is an 80/20 coverage meaning the insurance will cover up to 80% but the other %20 is mine and that can be a huge burden! A friend was recently in an accident and was life flighted to a hospital that could handle his level of trauma. He has a $25,000 bill after insurance has paid its share. While your company may have great coverage now it may not have had great coverage 10 years ago. His accident may be the reason the company realized they needed to provide good insurance. And it may be whatever his accident was caused injuries that couldn't be completely healed. My dad broke his leg (a bone shattered to be more precise) they had to glue bits of bone together in some places and he had a lot of pins holding things together while it healed. There was some damage that simply didn't heal back. He has experienced the lose of muscle in that leg (when he wears walking shorts you can see the leg muscles are very different) I can tell when he is tired because his limp becomes more pronounced. Save
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Post by smokeynspike on Jul 10, 2016 6:15:24 GMT
I broke both my right ulna and radius (the lower arm bones between your elbow and wrist) twice in six months when I was in the sixth grade. You can't tell unless I show you that they didn't heal right and my arm is actually twisted. When I lay my hands out so my palms should point up, my left hand palm is up and my right palm faces the left (like I'm going to shake your hand). I've been able to adapt so that it hasn't been a hindrance to me in any way, but it was something I probably should have had a specialist taking care of and not my small-town doctor. I think the basic reason for a limp, is that sometimes your body doesn't heal 100% and you are left with lasting effects (like twisted limbs, limps, etc). Melissa
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Post by PNWMom on Jul 10, 2016 6:26:44 GMT
When I was a teenager my boyfriend and friend went riding dirt bikes. The friend's girlfriend decided to go for a ride and basically lost control and wrecked the bike. The outcome was that her feet were smashed. She has had multiple surgeries to correct her feet, by multiple I means dozens..she walks with a limp..there is only so much you can fix. If he was in an accident and it was not his fault he would not have an issue with medical coverage. If it was his fault and used your companies insurance he more than likely met his deductible and additional surgeries may or may not cost him anything. Easy enough to figure out if you look at your coverage. However getting to that point may not be affordable. Since the affordable care act to have quality insurance will cost you. My guess is he shattered his leg in some manner that no amount of surgeries would be able to adequately fix it. In most states, car insurance has a specific limit for what they will pay for injuries. It is called PIP (personal injury protection). The standard amount that people choose on their plans is $10k. Once that $10k is spent, that is it. That will get you an ER visit, some XRays and blood draws and maybe one night in the hospital. Doesn't last long at all. After that, you are on your own, regardless of who was at fault in the accident. Only way you're getting more money is to sue the person who WAS at fault and hope they actually have money. Even that will take years, so don't count on there being any money. There are a few states (I know Michigan is one of them) where car insurance is a lot more expensive, because the PIP is unlimited when you are at fault and injure someone else.
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Post by annabella on Jul 10, 2016 12:41:21 GMT
Thank you all for explaining, I learned a lot from this thread about insurance. The man doesn't just have a limp, from the knees down it looks like his legs face a different direction and don't support him so he can't walk far. I had a friend growing up who was born with her knees facing inward so her legs were a zigzag shape. But at 18 she had surgery to make them straight. So I guess I thought If they could fix her bones as an adult, this man could have been healed too. But I do know feet can't always be fixed, my other friend came back from Afghanistan and has had a dozen surgeries on his foot and still he walks with a cane,
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Post by mikklynn on Jul 10, 2016 13:17:32 GMT
As for the asking for help with expenses, lots of daily expenses arise that are not covered by insurance. My max out of pocket is $3k and DOES include drug copays. DH hits the max in January every year.
But, I use my PTO faster than I earn it, so I am taking time off w/o pay. It costs $6 to park at the clinic. I have meal expenses when he is in the hospital. We spent a year traveling to Chicago every 3rd week for a clinical trial. The travel costs were all out of pocket. We spent $15k on just that.
DH was forced to retire early due to his cancer, so our income took a big hit. He does collect SS disability, but it's nowhere near what he earned.
We are so very lucky that I have a good job, so we haven't gone into debt or lost our home. I know other cancer patients that are not so fortunate.
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Post by Peamac on Jul 10, 2016 13:18:06 GMT
I have a doctor friend who walks with a severe limp. I don't know any details (he shared them with DH, though), but it keeps him from a lot of travel because walking is so hard.
He's in his late 40's, a very knowledgeable physician, and I'm sure he'd do whatever it would take to get his leg back to normal, if he could. Some things just can't be repaired back to 100%.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 14:05:57 GMT
Recovery is not based on coverage. Sometimes a body is just broken.
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