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Post by jovifan on Jul 18, 2016 0:12:56 GMT
I belong to a police wife group on fb (I lurk mostly) anyways a few wives have been flamed by other wives because they've made the same statement I made. Their all like "you signed up for this, this is the life you picked, grow up and put your big girl panties on" so me even having that same idea even though I've never expressed it out loud really did make me feel like crap. Wow, sorry to hear that. If you need a place to vent, etc....we are here for you!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:15:56 GMT
NoWomanNoCry. My husband and I had an agreement that after an officer was killed (at the time we were having quite a few) I was "allowed" to be the "bad" wife and could ask him to quit. He wouldn't take it personal other than a rare showing of my fear for part of his job and i never really expected him to quit. It just made me feel better to ask and know that he heard what I wasn't saying. It worked well for us. I dont think you are a no supportive spouse if you voice fear and concern. This is down right scary! You explained it better than I could. I don't expect him to quit but I just want to say it very often these days and it makes me feel like such a crappy wife and person. Even typing it out on here and posting made me feel like crap. I wouldn't blame anyone here for flaming me for it. I say it when I need to. He knows it's just me venting. Im glad...Espically now, he just took off a weeks vacation...planned months ago. He works for the next 3 weeks, he is training a new patrol deputy. Then he heads to a conference for a week, then he's off on vacation for a week. I'm a little relieved, but not. For the next three weeks & then again after vacation... I will do what many others LEO familes do.... Watch them put on the thirty extra pounds of equipment/gear, shine it all up,watch them check their gun/taser, double check their duty gear. Say our goodbyes... give kisses,tell them to be safe and watch them drive away. Knowing that they will deal with crap, rudness, ungrateful people, reports, heat, possible fights and so on. We as significant others will hold our breath for the next 10.5-12 hours, turn our head when we hear sirens, run for our phones when it rings, get a quick 5 sec call from hubby to check in, hear the phone go out (because something happened, they had to run to) and smile when they walk in from their shift. We will breathe easier and be thankful that they made it home safe, but our hearts will hurt knowing they will be doing it all over again tommorrow. My husband's first teacher asked them.... those that had significant others raise your hand. He told them that if you are lucky enough your better half will be with you when you retire. But to remember to be thankful for them...because even though they might not being doing the same job as you are... they are doing more...worrying about you more than you know, dealing with everything when you run over and facing the people whom know everything about how you should do your job. Because of that statement I get flowers every week, because as he stated I'm the reason he can do his job because he knows I have his six. For all the wives, girlfriends and significant others THANK you.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 18, 2016 0:21:13 GMT
This is terrible to say, but I can not even say I can offer prayers to the officers and their families, since I am beginning to wonder if there really is a God. How can so many innocent people, the police, the people in France, Orlando ect get killed for no good reason, day after day, if there is a God. My head and heart hurt. I am disgusted and am actually starting to feel racist. I am not, have not been in the past, racist. My daughters first boyfriend is black and we are not. I have no problem with this. Do blacks really think they are helping their cause by targeting the police? As for Isis, it is ridiculous that America seems to be turning a blind eye. How many times can we "offer condolences" and empty promises of support and "prayers". I am just so very sick of it all. Please don't lump all "blacks" in with those who did these horrible acts. I'm really discouraged that rather than trying to pull people together, there are many who use these situations to further divide the country. When I do a search for info on this shooting and see headlines from Fox News such as "president Obama has blood on his hands" and the response from Donald Trump, it is sickening.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:27:56 GMT
This is terrible to say, but I can not even say I can offer prayers to the officers and their families, since I am beginning to wonder if there really is a God. How can so many innocent people, the police, the people in France, Orlando ect get killed for no good reason, day after day, if there is a God. My head and heart hurt. I am disgusted and am actually starting to feel racist. I am not, have not been in the past, racist. My daughters first boyfriend is black and we are not. I have no problem with this.
Do blacks really think they are helping their cause by targeting the police? As for Isis, it is ridiculous that America seems to be turning a blind eye. How many times can we "offer condolences" and empty promises of support and "prayers". I am just so very sick of it all. Please don't lump all "blacks" in with those who did these horrible acts.
I'm really discouraged that rather than trying to pull people together, there are many who use these situations to further divide the country. When I do a search for info on this shooting and see headlines from Fox News such as "president Obama has blood on his hands" and the response from Donald Trump, it is sickening. Did you read all of my post? About my dd? She has liked this boy for over a year. We have taken them on a few group events. They are only since Jan. officially bf/gf in school. She is 15 1/2, so she is not allowed to real date yet. So, if I lumped all "blacks" together she would not be holding hands with him at school.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:30:33 GMT
This is terrible to say, but I can not even say I can offer prayers to the officers and their families, since I am beginning to wonder if there really is a God. How can so many innocent people, the police, the people in France, Orlando ect get killed for no good reason, day after day, if there is a God. My head and heart hurt. I am disgusted and am actually starting to feel racist. I am not, have not been in the past, racist. My daughters first boyfriend is black and we are not. I have no problem with this. Do blacks really think they are helping their cause by targeting the police? As for Isis, it is ridiculous that America seems to be turning a blind eye. How many times can we "offer condolences" and empty promises of support and "prayers". I am just so very sick of it all. Please don't lump all "blacks" in with those who did these horrible acts. I'm really discouraged that rather than trying to pull people together, there are many who use these situations to further divide the country. When I do a search for info on this shooting and see headlines from Fox News such as "president Obama has blood on his hands" and the response from Donald Trump, it is sickening. I agree 100%. Remember these people doing these events are ALONE. These events are not a movement but instead single acts. I can't speak for the motivations of this person but copycat behavior is a possibility. This is why suicides are not widely reported in the media. It is possible that all the media attention and notoriety of previous acts are planting seeds in the minds of individual people who are already unhinged.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 0:32:32 GMT
Please don't lump all "blacks" in with those who did these horrible acts. I'm really discouraged that rather than trying to pull people together, there are many who use these situations to further divide the country. When I do a search for info on this shooting and see headlines from Fox News such as "president Obama has blood on his hands" and the response from Donald Trump, it is sickening. I agree 100%. Remember these people doing these events are ALONE. These events are not a movement but instead single acts. I can't speak for the motivations of this person but copycat behavior is a possibility. This is why suicides are not widely reported in the media. It is possible that all the media attention and notoriety of previous acts are planting seeds in the minds of individual people who are already unhinged. On the news in Florida, yesterday, there was credible threats to ambush all police officers. That takes more than one unhinged person.
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Post by karen on Jul 18, 2016 0:36:57 GMT
Those thugs could have mowed those officers down with a truck, just like they did in Nice. It isn't the guns, it's the hate. It's pure hatred and anger. Those people hate the cops period. That is the problem. And the people in control of this country, including those running for office, just stir it up. People no longer have respect for anything or anyone. It is a sad state that we are in right now. It absolutely is hate. But give those haters guns, and they will mow people down. More people die in this country at the hands of guns. And yes, I know I'm about to be attacked for saying that. Sorry, but the gun problem in this country is out of control. I agree that it's re hate causing the problems in this country today.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 18, 2016 0:37:17 GMT
Please don't lump all "blacks" in with those who did these horrible acts.
I'm really discouraged that rather than trying to pull people together, there are many who use these situations to further divide the country. When I do a search for info on this shooting and see headlines from Fox News such as "president Obama has blood on his hands" and the response from Donald Trump, it is sickening. Did you read all of my post? About my dd? She has liked this boy for over a year. We have taken them on a few group events. They are only since Jan. officially bf/gf in school. She is 15 1/2, so she is not allowed to real date yet. So, if I lumped all "blacks" together she would not be holding hands with him at school. Your post, IMO, is an example of unconscious bias. You are seeing your daughters boyfriend as "different" than the rest of the blacks. Your comment "do blacks really think they are helping their cause..." Is what I was referring to. No, "blacks" don't think this is helping the cause. These are specific people who made these choices and at this point I don't believe they represent the whole race.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 18, 2016 0:39:57 GMT
Did you read all of my post? About my dd? She has liked this boy for over a year. We have taken them on a few group events. They are only since Jan. officially bf/gf in school. She is 15 1/2, so she is not allowed to real date yet. So, if I lumped all "blacks" together she would not be holding hands with him at school. Your post, IMO, is an example of unconscious bias (although you also said that you were starting to feel racist). You are seeing your daughters boyfriend as "different" than the rest of the blacks. Your comment "do blacks really think they are helping their cause..." Is what I was referring to. No, "blacks" don't think this is helping the cause. These are specific people who made these choices and at this point I don't believe they represent the whole race.
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Post by jp1989 on Jul 18, 2016 0:50:54 GMT
Praying for all law enforcement everywhere.
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Post by justkat on Jul 18, 2016 1:14:52 GMT
NoWomanNoCry . My husband and I had an agreement that after an officer was killed (at the time we were having quite a few) I was "allowed" to be the "bad" wife and could ask him to quit. He wouldn't take it personal other than a rare showing of my fear for part of his job and i never really expected him to quit. It just made me feel better to ask and know that he heard what I wasn't saying. It worked well for us. I dont think you are a no supportive spouse if you voice fear and concern. This is down right scary! You explained it better than I could. I don't expect him to quit but I just want to say it very often these days and it makes me feel like such a crappy wife and person. Even typing it out on here and posting made me feel like crap. I wouldn't blame anyone here for flaming me for it. These worthless thugs have declared war on law enforcement, there's no other way to look at this. No intelligent adult is going to flame you for feeling the way you feel. Big ((hugs)) from me and prayers for our blue family. And not that it means much, but if anyone does flame you, this cop's widow has your back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 2:05:53 GMT
Did you read all of my post? About my dd? She has liked this boy for over a year. We have taken them on a few group events. They are only since Jan. officially bf/gf in school. She is 15 1/2, so she is not allowed to real date yet. So, if I lumped all "blacks" together she would not be holding hands with him at school. Your post, IMO, is an example of unconscious bias. You are seeing your daughters boyfriend as "different" than the rest of the blacks. Your comment "do blacks really think they are helping their cause..." Is what I was referring to. No, "blacks" don't think this is helping the cause. These are specific people who made these choices and at this point I don't believe they represent the whole race. I don't think @tishy's post is the example of "unconscious bias". She said: She's clearly not lumping all blacks together, as you claim, when she's only talking about those "targeting the police". You know, the part of the quote that you left off in order to make your point, because including it would have made your point invalid. To be honest, it's posts like yours that make it so others don't want to wade into these discussions out of fear of being labeled as social outcasts. Because often (like in this case) the labels aren't logical, so they never know what they might say that might earn them the label, so they say nothing. By doing what you just did, you stop people from learning real things and you stop yourself and the rest of us from learning from others who won't post because of posts like yours. Unfair, untrue labels. THAT needs to stop too.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 18, 2016 2:11:51 GMT
Your post, IMO, is an example of unconscious bias. You are seeing your daughters boyfriend as "different" than the rest of the blacks. Your comment "do blacks really think they are helping their cause..." Is what I was referring to. No, "blacks" don't think this is helping the cause. These are specific people who made these choices and at this point I don't believe they represent the whole race. I don't think @tishy's post is the example of "unconscious bias". She said: She's clearly not lumping all blacks together, as you claim, when she's only talking about those "targeting the police". You know, the part of the quote that you left off in order to make your point, because including it would have made your point invalid. To be honest, it's posts like yours that make it so others don't want to wade into these discussions out of fear of being labeled as social outcasts. Because often (like in this case) the labels aren't logical, so they never know what they might say that might earn them the label, so they say nothing. By doing what you just did, you stop people from learning real things and you stop yourself and the rest of us from learning from others who won't post because of posts like yours. Unfair, untrue labels. THAT needs to stop too. The intention of my first post was to say that not all blacks think this is helpful and not to assume that they do. If she had said, "Do these killers actually think this is helpful?" I would have taken it much differently than saying, "Do blacks think it is helpful to their cause?" Especially after saying that she was starting to feel racist. I wanted her to think about it in a different way and not have the thoughts that large groups of black people think this is the answer. I wasn't trying to attack, but do think that her choice of words showed bias. I also don't think that including the whole quote makes a difference. I read it. To me, the problem with what was said was referring to blacks (which to me, means blacks as a whole) rather Than the Shooters. To each their own
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Post by Merge on Jul 18, 2016 2:22:06 GMT
Your post, IMO, is an example of unconscious bias. You are seeing your daughters boyfriend as "different" than the rest of the blacks. Your comment "do blacks really think they are helping their cause..." Is what I was referring to. No, "blacks" don't think this is helping the cause. These are specific people who made these choices and at this point I don't believe they represent the whole race. I don't think @tishy's post is the example of "unconscious bias". She said: She's clearly not lumping all blacks together, as you claim, when she's only talking about those "targeting the police". You know, the part of the quote that you left off in order to make your point, because including it would have made your point invalid. To be honest, it's posts like yours that make it so others don't want to wade into these discussions out of fear of being labeled as social outcasts. Because often (like in this case) the labels aren't logical, so they never know what they might say that might earn them the label, so they say nothing. By doing what you just did, you stop people from learning real things and you stop yourself and the rest of us from learning from others who won't post because of posts like yours. Unfair, untrue labels. THAT needs to stop too. Gia, no one put any labels on anyone. Kristin expressed her perception of what Tishy said. Tishy countered with her thoughts. Conversation was continuing and everyone was still free to say what they wanted until you swooped in with your typical accusation of people (with whom you don't agree) shutting down conversation. Why do you get to decide what people can and can't say here? Why is Kristin's perspective less valid than Tishy's?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 2:41:35 GMT
I don't think @tishy 's post is the example of "unconscious bias". She said: She's clearly not lumping all blacks together, as you claim, when she's only talking about those "targeting the police". You know, the part of the quote that you left off in order to make your point, because including it would have made your point invalid. To be honest, it's posts like yours that make it so others don't want to wade into these discussions out of fear of being labeled as social outcasts. Because often (like in this case) the labels aren't logical, so they never know what they might say that might earn them the label, so they say nothing. By doing what you just did, you stop people from learning real things and you stop yourself and the rest of us from learning from others who won't post because of posts like yours. Unfair, untrue labels. THAT needs to stop too. Gia, no one put any labels on anyone. Kristin expressed her perception of what Tishy said. Tishy countered with her thoughts. Conversation was continuing and everyone was still free to say what they wanted until you swooped in with your typical accusation of people (with whom you don't agree) shutting down conversation. Why do you get to decide what people can and can't say here? Why is Kristin's perspective less valid than Tishy's? I'm not deciding anything for anyone. I expressed my opinion just like everyone else does. Have a nice evening, Merge.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 18, 2016 3:29:52 GMT
Do blacks really think they are helping their cause by targeting the police? This isn't about race. Normal black people are not shooting police. Even if they are pissed about the shootings of black men and are angry at the police, they aren't the onese shooting. Thugs who will shoot at police are not speaking for the people of their race. These pieces of shit are horrible people. They are already criminals. They are already violent. They want to shoot cops. They aren't trying to help out a cause. This just gives them an excuse to do what they want to do. I may not agree with many of the things black lives matter groups do, but I won't confuse their efforts with murdering assholes.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 18, 2016 3:34:22 GMT
Your post, IMO, is an example of unconscious bias. You are seeing your daughters boyfriend as "different" than the rest of the blacks. Your comment "do blacks really think they are helping their cause..." Is what I was referring to. No, "blacks" don't think this is helping the cause. These are specific people who made these choices and at this point I don't believe they represent the whole race. I don't think @tishy 's post is the example of "unconscious bias". She said: She's clearly not lumping all blacks together, as you claim, when she's only talking about those "targeting the police". You know, the part of the quote that you left off in order to make your point, because including it would have made your point invalid. To be honest, it's posts like yours that make it so others don't want to wade into these discussions out of fear of being labeled as social outcasts. Because often (like in this case) the labels aren't logical, so they never know what they might say that might earn them the label, so they say nothing. By doing what you just did, you stop people from learning real things and you stop yourself and the rest of us from learning from others who won't post because of posts like yours. Unfair, untrue labels. THAT needs to stop too. I read the post the same way as Kristin did. The statement "Do blacks..." is the beginning of lumping together a group of people. Of course most black people aren't in favor of murder and those that are, aren't doing it to help anything out.
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Post by inkedup on Jul 18, 2016 3:40:01 GMT
Please don't lump all "blacks" in with those who did these horrible acts.
I'm really discouraged that rather than trying to pull people together, there are many who use these situations to further divide the country. When I do a search for info on this shooting and see headlines from Fox News such as "president Obama has blood on his hands" and the response from Donald Trump, it is sickening. Did you read all of my post? About my dd? She has liked this boy for over a year. We have taken them on a few group events. They are only since Jan. officially bf/gf in school. She is 15 1/2, so she is not allowed to real date yet. So, if I lumped all "blacks" together she would not be holding hands with him at school. Thanks for trotting out your token black person. Just makes your statement - and your defense of it - look all the more foolish.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 18, 2016 3:50:32 GMT
Did you read all of my post? About my dd? She has liked this boy for over a year. We have taken them on a few group events. They are only since Jan. officially bf/gf in school. She is 15 1/2, so she is not allowed to real date yet. So, if I lumped all "blacks" together she would not be holding hands with him at school. Thanks for trotting out your token black person. Just makes your statement - and your defense of it - look all the more foolish. I get where you are coming from, but one token black person may be all it takes to realize...something. I can't articulate it correctly, let me try to give an example. Male teenager doesn't like gay people. They are gross. He doesn't hate them, like wants to beat or kill them, just thinks they are gross and doesn't want to be around them. Sister brings home a "friend," brother thinks sister may like friend. Friend hangs around a lot, never lying or really hiding that he is gay, just doesn't come out and say it. Brother and sister's friend become friends. Months later, brother realizes friend is gay and is still friends with friend. Brother realizes gay people are people. They aren't gross. Brother's viewpoint evolves. Sometimes it takes exposure.
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Post by grammanisi on Jul 18, 2016 5:52:27 GMT
Your comment "do blacks really think they are helping their cause..." Is what I was referring to. No, "blacks" don't think this is helping the cause. These are specific people who made these choices and at this point I don't believe they represent the whole race. I think this same reasoning applies to law enforcement as well. Bad officers do not represent all officers, yet there are people that don't care about that and want retaliation against all of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 8:47:39 GMT
Did you read all of my post? About my dd? She has liked this boy for over a year. We have taken them on a few group events. They are only since Jan. officially bf/gf in school. She is 15 1/2, so she is not allowed to real date yet. So, if I lumped all "blacks" together she would not be holding hands with him at school. Thanks for trotting out your token black person. Just makes your statement - and your defense of it - look all the more foolish.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 8:47:59 GMT
Fuck off.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 18, 2016 9:40:02 GMT
I belong to a police wife group on fb (I lurk mostly) anyways a few wives have been flamed by other wives because they've made the same statement I made. Their all like "you signed up for this, this is the life you picked, grow up and put your big girl panties on" so me even having that same idea even though I've never expressed it out loud really did make me feel like crap. Cop's Wive's Lives Matter (and so do their husbands). It's an especially stressful time for spouses. Try not to take it personally. That kind of stress is really hard on the nerves. Even for the handslappers. We all know they feel the same way you do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 11:22:31 GMT
Your comment "do blacks really think they are helping their cause..." Is what I was referring to. No, "blacks" don't think this is helping the cause. These are specific people who made these choices and at this point I don't believe they represent the whole race. I think this same reasoning applies to law enforcement as well. Bad officers do not represent all officers, yet there are people that don't care about that and want retaliation against all of them. I also take umbrage with the labeling of these officers involved in these shootings as "bad" cops. There is no evidence that they are "bad". This implies they are bad people at the core, a disgrace to the uniform. They are HUMAN beings, who in a tense and dangerous situation, had to make a split second decision that not one of us arm chair QBs could even fathom making. They had to decide, in the blink of an eye, if there was a threat to their lives and then had to decide if they could take the life of another human being. At that moment, they effing skin color of the person on the other end of the gun wasn't wven a consideration. There was nothing "bad" about those cops. Just human instinct and training. I assure you, ANY man or woman who puts that uniform on could end up in the same situation on any given day. Also, side note - Michael Brown, upon whom this entire black lives matter bullshit was started, was a wanna-be cop killer and guess who is headlining the DNC convention? His mother. The thugs mother speaking at the DNC, which is going to be protected by hundreds of police officers. There is something seriously wrong with democrats.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 11:49:31 GMT
Did you read all of my post? About my dd? She has liked this boy for over a year. We have taken them on a few group events. They are only since Jan. officially bf/gf in school. She is 15 1/2, so she is not allowed to real date yet. So, if I lumped all "blacks" together she would not be holding hands with him at school. She would be. White girls who have racist parents love black men. So that kinda explains your comments. Who was the pea who described her daughter with all these adjectives to describe her white skin? That cracked me up! It was all like my really white daughter has a black boyfriend and I am soooooo afraid of what might happen to them if they get pulled over. Tips for driving in a car with a black man. If you are a passenger: Just run. They won't give chase. Trust me If you are a driver: Lean back and close your eyes.
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Post by Merge on Jul 18, 2016 11:50:37 GMT
Gia, no one put any labels on anyone. Kristin expressed her perception of what Tishy said. Tishy countered with her thoughts. Conversation was continuing and everyone was still free to say what they wanted until you swooped in with your typical accusation of people (with whom you don't agree) shutting down conversation. Why do you get to decide what people can and can't say here? Why is Kristin's perspective less valid than Tishy's? I'm not deciding anything for anyone. I expressed my opinion just like everyone else does. Have a nice evening, Merge. No, Gia, when you finish your opinion with "that needs to stop," you're telling people what opinions they can and can't post.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 11:52:58 GMT
You are a fucking idiot. I have never gone off here to make me sound or seem racist, yet you make the ASSumption that i am over one statement. Some of the people on this board are worse than racists. You all are a bunch of judgemental hypocrites. You all act like you are experts on profiling someone you have never met. You ask can fuck off.
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Post by peabay on Jul 18, 2016 11:54:59 GMT
This guy was no part of any black movement. He was part of the sovereign citizen movement. Sovereign Citizen
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 18, 2016 12:15:01 GMT
We have an angry society. Just read these threads and that is perfectly clear. I'm scared for our country.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 18, 2016 12:22:57 GMT
This guy was no part of any black movement. He was part of the sovereign citizen movement. Sovereign Citizen I started reading about this last night and it is absolutely crazy stuff. (definition of irony: group that eschews government and rules has membership cards) *opinions from the older generation in my family: My mother is absolutely convinced that the reason that everything feels like it is exploding right now is because of the wide spread and overwhelming heat. She says that it is the abnormal heat that is driving people who are already on the edge right over that edge and into acting impulses that they may have been able to keep under control previously. Maybe to a degree she has a point. *shrug*
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