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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 15:03:55 GMT
@happymomma, it's not very in depth on the topic but it's something; an interview on MSNBC earlier this year. The relevant part starts at about 10:00. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aes_2tPaSYw
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 15:19:22 GMT
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This a first. But then this election has been a lot of firsts. The original article posted in this thread was dismissed because the article was by some writers at Vox for some reason in spite of the fact they included links to back up what they were saying. The Editorial Board at the Washington Post expressed their feelings about Trump and it's that under no circumstances that he should become president and they go on to list why. I'm sure some will find a reason to discount the comments of the Washington Post Editorial Board. But I think it's worth a read. The reason this is a first is because no previous Editorial Board has come out against a candidate before the other party has even had their convention. They aren't endorsing Hillary, she will have to earn that. But they sure did rip apart Trump and surprising enough it kind of matched what the Vox article said. Go figure. The first and last paragraph says it all for me. DONALD J. TRUMP, until now a Republican problem, this week became a challenge the nation must confront and overcome. The real estate tycoon is uniquely unqualified to serve as president, in experience and temperament. He is mounting a campaign of snarl and sneer, not substance. To the extent he has views, they are wrong in their diagnosis of America’s problems and dangerous in their proposed solutions. Mr. Trump’s politics of denigration and division could strain the bonds that have held a diverse nation together. His contempt for constitutional norms might reveal the nation’s two-century-old experiment in checks and balances to be more fragile than we knew.
The party’s failure of judgment leaves the nation’s future where it belongs, in the hands of voters. Many Americans do not like either candidate this year . We have criticized the presumptive Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, in the past and will do so again when warranted. But we do not believe that she (or the Libertarian and Green party candidates, for that matter) represents a threat to the Constitution. Mr. Trump is a unique and present danger.It's ironic that these are the two paragraphs you bolded because to be completely honest, those exact two paragraphs pretty much sum up my feelings on the past 8 yrs of Obama, and what I believe would continue status quo with a Clinton election.
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Post by lindas on Jul 23, 2016 16:02:03 GMT
@happymomma, it's not very in depth on the topic but it's something; an interview on MSNBC earlier this year. The relevant part starts at about 10:00. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aes_2tPaSYwI didn't hear anything in that sound bite that indicated how much he would cut the military budget. The only thing they said was about possible vouchers and Trump as said that repeatedly.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 23, 2016 16:28:17 GMT
No, sorry, I can't because I don't find anything very specific relating to that particular issue. I do know that he supports a 43% military spending cut without cutting any current veterans benefits, but does not necessarily support a raise in those benefits (as of 2012) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht4lj5klsc4SaveI have no words to express the outrage I have after listening to that. If he still feels that way then a vote for him is a vote against our military and veterans. I don't know how he feels now, but in a recent poll he is leading among active service members over trump and clinton
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 16:41:47 GMT
@happymomma, it's not very in depth on the topic but it's something; an interview on MSNBC earlier this year. The relevant part starts at about 10:00. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aes_2tPaSYwI didn't hear anything in that sound bite that indicated how much he would cut the military budget. The only thing they said was about possible vouchers and Trump as said that repeatedly. I wasn't trying to find anything about his plans to cut the military budget; happymomma was looking for info on veteran's healthcare, and they mention that in this clip. Save
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 17:19:08 GMT
#ImWithHer and SO glad that I'm not voting out of hate.
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Post by katybee on Jul 23, 2016 17:21:34 GMT
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Post by moodyblue on Jul 23, 2016 18:00:38 GMT
Very interesting read - and confirms the things I've read about him in the past.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 23, 2016 18:15:56 GMT
But the picture that friends and family paint of him are quite different.
I find it interesting that the left loves to scream "racist" about Trump and yet I can't find even the most unflattering article to ever substantiate that. Even an interview of 5 hostile biographers couldn't say that about him. (And any moron knows his comment about Mexican rapists was not about the entire Mexican race.)
The same, however, can not be said about Hillary and Bill. They belonged to a segregated country club and had to be shamed out of the membership by the New York Times: www.nytimes.com/1992/03/23/us/1992-campaign-democrats-club-where-clinton-has-golfed-retains-ways-old-south.html
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 18:22:00 GMT
Last night when I posted the Washington Post comments about Trump I was to tired to single out the paragraph that I think says it all about Trump. New day and here is the paragraph:
"The lack of experience might be overcome if Mr. Trump saw it as a handicap worth overcoming. But he displays no curiosity, reads no books, and appears to believe he needs to advice. In fact, what makes Mr. Trump so unusual is his combination of extreme neediness and unbridled arrogance. He is desperate for affirmation but contemptuous of other views. He is also contemptuous of fact.
Throughout the campaign, he has unspooled one lie after another - that Muslims celebrated after 9/11, that his tax cut plan would not worsen the deficit, that he opposed the Iraq War before it started - and when confronted with contrary evidence he simply repeats a lie. It's impossible to know whether he convinces himself of his own untruths or knows that he is wrong and does not care. It is also difficult to know which trait would be more frightening in a commander in chief."
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Post by lindas on Jul 23, 2016 18:35:13 GMT
Such irony. Let's just replace he/his with 'it' and no one will be able to figure out which one is being talked about.
"It's impossible to know whether he convinces himself of his own untruths or knows that he is wrong and does not care. It is also difficult to know which trait would be more frightening in a commander in chief."
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Post by Really Red on Jul 23, 2016 18:36:49 GMT
The first and last paragraph says it all for me. DONALD J. TRUMP, until now a Republican problem, this week became a challenge the nation must confront and overcome. The real estate tycoon is uniquely unqualified to serve as president, in experience and temperament. He is mounting a campaign of snarl and sneer, not substance. To the extent he has views, they are wrong in their diagnosis of America’s problems and dangerous in their proposed solutions. Mr. Trump’s politics of denigration and division could strain the bonds that have held a diverse nation together. His contempt for constitutional norms might reveal the nation’s two-century-old experiment in checks and balances to be more fragile than we knew.
The party’s failure of judgment leaves the nation’s future where it belongs, in the hands of voters. Many Americans do not like either candidate this year . We have criticized the presumptive Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, in the past and will do so again when warranted. But we do not believe that she (or the Libertarian and Green party candidates, for that matter) represents a threat to the Constitution. Mr. Trump is a unique and present danger.It's ironic that these are the two paragraphs you bolded because to be completely honest, those exact two paragraphs pretty much sum up my feelings on the past 8 yrs of Obama, and what I believe would continue status quo with a Clinton election. So this is the paragraph I took from the same article: The lack of experience might be overcome if Mr. Trump saw it as a handicap worth overcoming. But he displays no curiosity, reads no books and appears to believe he needs no advice. In fact, what makes Mr. Trump so unusual is his combination of extreme neediness and unbridled arrogance. He is desperate for affirmation but contemptuous of other views. He also is contemptuous of fact. Throughout the campaign, he has unspooled one lie after another — that Muslims in New Jersey celebrated after 9/11, that his tax-cut plan would not worsen the deficit, that he opposed the Iraq War before it started — and when confronted with contrary evidence, he simply repeats the lie. It is impossible to know whether he convinces himself of his own untruths or knows that he is wrong and does not care. It is also difficult to know which trait would be more frightening in a commander in chief. To me, while I am absolutely disgusted with Hillary's arrogance, I am not so naive to think that it is unique to her. It is a trait that clearly people in power appear to have more of than the "common folk." Hillary has also apologized for mistakes. Donald has not done that. Hillary is not an outward bully. Donald is. And the most important is Hillary doesn't make fun of people who criticize her. She responds rationally. Maybe not how you like, but rationally. I simply will never understand all the people on this board and IRL who abhor bullies, but like this person. FWIW, I think that Hillary has shown some bully tendencies, but they are not in-your-face and constant. It's a disappointing election, but Tim Kaine, an ethical and moral person, has brightened it a bit for me.
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Post by happymomma on Jul 23, 2016 19:19:22 GMT
I didn't hear anything in that sound bite that indicated how much he would cut the military budget. The only thing they said was about possible vouchers and Trump as said that repeatedly. I wasn't trying to find anything about his plans to cut the military budget; happymomma was looking for info on veteran's healthcare, and they mention that in this clip. SaveThanks again. It's a tiny bit more information, and I will keep searching. It's a nod in the right direction at the very least. I think I may email him and ask a few questions. However, if it isn't something he is talking about openly and only giving vague answers, I'm thinking it may not be a very important issue to him. If it was he would probably have more info out there about it. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 19:28:34 GMT
I wasn't trying to find anything about his plans to cut the military budget; happymomma was looking for info on veteran's healthcare, and they mention that in this clip. SaveThanks again. It's a tiny bit more information, and I will keep searching. It's a nod in the right direction at the very least. I think I may email him and ask a few questions. However, if it isn't something he is talking about openly and only giving vague answers, I'm thinking it may not be a very important issue to him. If it was he would probably have more info out there about it. Thank you. I asked the question on his Facebook page, and found the video clip from another poster's response. Maybe we'll get more info yet, and if so, I'll let you know! Save
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Post by lucillebluth on Jul 23, 2016 20:14:34 GMT
This is kind of a reach. The article you posted says that Bill Clinton played golf at the club as a guest, not that he was a member. I don't think Hillary Clinton even plays golf, but I might be wrong.
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Post by lucillebluth on Jul 23, 2016 20:45:02 GMT
I find it interesting that the left loves to scream "racist" about Trump and yet I can't find even the most unflattering article to ever substantiate that. Even an interview of 5 hostile biographers couldn't say that about him. (And any moron knows his comment about Mexican rapists was not about the entire Mexican race.) People can come to their own conclusions: Is Donald Trump A Racist?
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 23, 2016 21:28:52 GMT
It's worth looking into, thanks. I believe the preponderance of the evidence is that his father was racist, and his father was still involved at that time. OTOH, stories you will probably never read in the NYT include how Trump went against the town council and norms in the area when he opened up Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach. In an area known for segregation, he informed them that his club would be open to all. You won't see that in the NYT because it goes against the narrative. I am dismissive over the things like retweeting that star over piles of cash. Detractors claimed it was a Star of David, but before I ever heard anything, the first thing I saw was that it looked like a sheriff's star to me, and then I saw the business about that same star being used by Disney. Sometimes the overreach is ridiculous. Do you have any links to stories of one-on-one discrimination?
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 23, 2016 21:35:28 GMT
This is kind of a reach. The article you posted says that Bill Clinton played golf at the club as a guest, not that he was a member. I don't think Hillary Clinton even plays golf, but I might be wrong. The article said he had played there for years. "Mr. Clinton's mea culpa has not defused the criticism. In New York today, his chief rival, Edmund G. Brown Jr. of California, said that "even George Bush wouldn't dare play golf at an all-white golf club."" I believe it is pertinent insofar as Hillary has said Bill would be a part of her government: "my husband, who I will put in charge of revitalizing the economy 'cause he knows what he's doing."
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Post by lucillebluth on Jul 23, 2016 22:11:36 GMT
This is kind of a reach. The article you posted says that Bill Clinton played golf at the club as a guest, not that he was a member. I don't think Hillary Clinton even plays golf, but I might be wrong. The article said he had played there for years. "Mr. Clinton's mea culpa has not defused the criticism. In New York today, his chief rival, Edmund G. Brown Jr. of California, said that "even George Bush wouldn't dare play golf at an all-white golf club."" I believe it is pertinent insofar as Hillary has said Bill would be a part of her government: "my husband, who I will put in charge of revitalizing the economy 'cause he knows what he's doing." So Bill Clinton is permanently tainted by playing golf at an all-white club twenty-something years ago, even though he said he regretted it, but Donald Trump gets a pass because anyone with $100,000 to spare is welcome to join his club? He's a real hero for the ordinary folk, isn't he? (And it looks like people suspected that Trump was just using the charge of racism to embarrass town officials into relaxing restrictions on his club.)
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 23, 2016 22:18:06 GMT
Racist, rapist, sexist, liar... Pick one. Pick any one.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 23, 2016 22:22:12 GMT
He's a real hero for the ordinary folk, isn't he? My thoughts are that he did the right thing for that which was under his control. Not everyone is cut out to do marches or sit-ins. I'm not going to hold that against him. Not calling him some great civil rights hero, but he didn't go with the status quo, either.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 23, 2016 22:31:02 GMT
He's a real hero for the ordinary folk, isn't he? My thoughts are that he did the right thing for that which was under his control. Not everyone is cut out to do marches or sit-ins. I'm not going to hold that against him. Not calling him some great civil rights hero, but he didn't go with the status quo, either. Oh. Right. He converted his 126 room mansion to a golf club. Real man of the people. He also has sued Palm Beach County a number of times because he doesn't like the noise of airplanes from PBI flying over his estate. Way to waste taxpayer dollars in the courts. What a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 22:36:12 GMT
This is kind of a reach. The article you posted says that Bill Clinton played golf at the club as a guest, not that he was a member. I don't think Hillary Clinton even plays golf, but I might be wrong. The article said he had played there for years. "Mr. Clinton's mea culpa has not defused the criticism. In New York today, his chief rival, Edmund G. Brown Jr. of California, said that "even George Bush wouldn't dare play golf at an all-white golf club."" I believe it is pertinent insofar as Hillary has said Bill would be a part of her government: "my husband, who I will put in charge of revitalizing the economy 'cause he knows what he's doing." That was from 1992 when Jerry Brown ran against Bill Clinton for the Democratic nominee. Since then Bill Clinton has done a lot for Blacks. I think if you check you will find Blacks on the whole like Bill better than Hillary. So it's really a stretch to say Bill Clinton is a racist. On the other hand your guy Trump has become a magnet for members of the KKK and white supremacist groups. Lets don't forget the white supremacist guy from CA that was briefly a CA delegate for Trump. He was all excited because Trump's message was one for a white majority. It really doesn't matter if Trump is actually a racist or not. What is important is members of racist organizations believe he is speaking for them. And in my book that is just as bad as being a racist. I mean how many of the current and past individuals running for president have racist groups saying this candidate is speaking for them because of his/her white majority message. And this happening today not 20 some years ago.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 23, 2016 22:45:20 GMT
The article said he had played there for years. "Mr. Clinton's mea culpa has not defused the criticism. In New York today, his chief rival, Edmund G. Brown Jr. of California, said that "even George Bush wouldn't dare play golf at an all-white golf club."" I believe it is pertinent insofar as Hillary has said Bill would be a part of her government: "my husband, who I will put in charge of revitalizing the economy 'cause he knows what he's doing." That was from 1992 when Jerry Brown ran against Bill Clinton for the Democratic nominee. Since then Bill Clinton has done a lot for Blacks. I think if you check you will find Blacks on the whole like Bill better than Hillary. So it's really a stretch to say Bill Clinton is a racist. On the other hand your guy Trump has become a magnet for members of the KKK and white supremacist groups. Lets don't forget the white supremacist guy from CA that was briefly a CA delegate for Trump. He was all excited because Trump's message was one for a white majority. It really doesn't matter if Trump is actually a racist or not. What is important is members of racist organizations believe he is speaking for them. And in my book that is just as bad as being a racist. I mean how many of the current and past individuals running for president have racist groups saying this candidate is speaking for them because of his/her white majority message. And this happening today not 20 some years ago. It's no coincidence that all of a sudden David Duke crawls back out from the shit covered rock he's been hiding under. He feels *SAFE* doing that now, because of the current tenor of conversation in this country. And he's praised Trump. Seriously, WTF.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 23, 2016 22:52:01 GMT
It is. But maybe in a way you didn't consider. Schwartz had written a very critical piece against Trump for New York, and then was trying to interview Trump for another article for Playboy. Trump made a brilliant decision in whom he chose to do the job, despite Schwartz seeming like a completely unlikely choice. Schwartz benefited greatly in the process. The outcome to the publishing company was also a big win. Schwartz intensely disliked Trump when he wrote the first article, when he was attempting to write a second article, and when he ghosted the book. It's hardly a surprise that he intensely dislikes him now. Schwartz's assessment may be entirely correct, and yet this is ultimately a story of how Trump accomplished a major achievement against the odds that benefited others along the way. If the results of his ghostwritten book are indicative of the results he is able to accomplish, than maybe all this fearmongering is pointless.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 23, 2016 22:57:35 GMT
It really doesn't matter if Trump is actually a racist or not. Seriously? But it's okay if you label him a racist because he's the bad guy, right? Anything for the cause and all that. It's no coincidence that all of a sudden David Duke crawls back out from the shit covered rock he's been hiding under. Duke has been crawling out from under his rock periodically since 1975. It's all Trump's fault, right? Good grief.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 23, 2016 23:02:24 GMT
It really doesn't matter if Trump is actually a racist or not. Seriously? But it's okay if you label him a racist because he's the bad guy, right? Anything for the cause and all that. It's no coincidence that all of a sudden David Duke crawls back out from the shit covered rock he's been hiding under. Duke has been crawling out from under his rock periodically since 1975. It's all Trump's fault, right? Good grief. He's laid low for quite some time now, politically. It's not a coincidence. It's just NOT. I'm not saying it's ALL Trump's fault, but the state of the Republican party's rhetoric is such that white supremacists find purchase there. That should be extremely concerning to true Republicans.
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Post by jayfab on Jul 23, 2016 23:12:42 GMT
If trump doesn't want people to think he's fond of white supremacists he needs to stop retweeting from them. trumps tweets
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Post by pyccku on Jul 23, 2016 23:21:01 GMT
If trump doesn't want people to think he's fond of white supremacists he needs to stop retweeting from them. trumps tweetsTwitter seems to get him into trouble, doesn't it? No filter between his brain and the keyboard. Pocahantas is his nickname for Elizabeth Warren. I don't think it's because he's a fan of Native Americans. I can only wonder what nicknames he has for other minority groups? My husband is an immigrant (naturalized citizen) and I have 2 kids who have a disability. I imagine how he would feel about them if they were to cross his path? My son - who is 17 and legally blind - is actually worried about the election. He was concerned to see a presidential candidate openly mocking a disabled person and asked me - 'if that's the way he feels about that guy, I wonder how he'd feel about me? I don't think he'd like me very much." Save
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 23:22:34 GMT
It really doesn't matter if Trump is actually a racist or not. Seriously? But it's okay if you label him a racist because he's the bad guy, right? Anything for the cause and all that. It's no coincidence that all of a sudden David Duke crawls back out from the shit covered rock he's been hiding under. Duke has been crawling out from under his rock periodically since 1975. It's all Trump's fault, right? Good grief. link
The Ca Delegate I mentioned above is one William Johnson the head of an organization called American Freedom Party. The attached article was an interview he gave. A real eye opener that you may want to read. I have said way back that Trump's "message" is not only bring David Dukes in from the fringe but guys like this one as well. And who knows how many more. These people have no place in our society today and Trump is making them believe he is talking for them and he refuses to denounce them. You can deny Trump's roll in bring this crap in from the fringe but it doesn't change the fact that he is.
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