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Post by flanz on Jul 22, 2016 20:13:21 GMT
I am a Bernie supporter but will vote for Hillary. I have not participated a great deal in any threads about Trump and have been away from the board for a month recently, while traveling. IF you are planning to vote for Trump, I hope you will read this with an open mind and then tell us WHY you would vote for this man. IF you are NOT planning to vote for Trump, I hope you will read this, share with all of your friends IRL and TALK to them about why you cannot vote for this man. IF we sit silently by, thinking a Trump presidency just can't happen, we may be very rudely surprised on election night. And the consequences may be more dire than we can even imagine. www.vox.com/2016/7/21/12218136/donald-trump-nomination-afraidPlease be civil in your comments here. I genuinely want to hear your thoughts on supporting Trump for President in light of his character and past and current behavior.
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Post by agengr2004 on Jul 22, 2016 20:21:32 GMT
I'm voting Johnson/Weld and I find the idea of either a Trump or Clinton Presidency equally horrifying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 20:34:51 GMT
Hello!
I don't know that you will get too many to participate. There have been MANY threads about Trump over the last month.
I think it comes down to people voting for Trump, not necessarily because they agree with everything he says, but because they really don't want Hillary to be the President.
I also think there are a fair share of people who aren't thrilled that Hillary is the choice on the left, but they will vote for her because they really don't want Trump to be President.
Yes, there are some very pro-Trump folks and some very pro-Hillary folks here as well. But to me it seems that MANY are voting AGAINST the other candidate rather than voting FOR theirs.
Just my thoughts and an explanation as to why you may not see many people jump in here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 20:38:47 GMT
No, actually we can't.
That article is written by a human. A human, who like any human, is biased. By presenting it as some sort of given fact that everyone who hears it will suddenly realize how wrong they are just isn't going to happen. It would be interesting to see a fact check on that article.
We (anyone who is a conservative and finds themselves in this shitty position) get it. We do. But some article written by someone with a bias and posted by someone who likely has a bias just isn't going to sway anyone.
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Post by shescrafty on Jul 22, 2016 20:43:14 GMT
I am not a trump fan AT ALL and agree with the article.
That said, many Trump supporters have clearly posted here about what they like about Trump. Many people don't like the direction the country is going and feel they want change and feel Trump is the right person to lead that change. My understanding is that they feel Trump will be able to help the "little guy" and help bring jobs back to this country and support the US no longer being part of NATO and no longer having an open immigration policy. Not just enforcing what is already in place but changing the policies to curtail those from Muslim countries from coming in without more restrictions.
He also supports the NRA and does not seem to be in favor of any more gun control being put in place. Many like that idea and what he puts out there as a support of "taking back this country."
And also because they don't like/support/trust Hillary Clinton and feel like Trump will be the one to change things up in a direction they align with.
Again I am not a trump supporter so I may be wrong, but this is my understanding. And I doubt many people will think this is a serious question and respond (just my opinion for what that is worth).
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Post by maurchclt on Jul 22, 2016 20:47:47 GMT
Just read the article and Yes, I'm scared. I could vote Republican, but this is not a matter of Party. It's a matter of stability of the candidate. I have 2 grandkids that are young, but in school. They are wonderful boys. They asked their mom Why the man on TV was calling other people names. They are learning about bullying in school. And this man could possibly be President? Yes I'm scared.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 22, 2016 21:47:16 GMT
Vox is a far left progressive media operation, so consider the source.
"In June 2016 Vox suspended contributor Emmett Rensin for a series of tweets calling for anti-Trump riots, including one on June 3 that urged, "If Trump comes to your town, start a riot." The tweets drew attention because violent anti-Trump protests took place in San Jose, California on the day of Rensin's tweet."
I remember those protests because anti-Trump people actually chased down rally attendees who were peacefully walking out of the rally and beat them up.
Another Vox writer: Vox writer calls for Obama to ‘unilaterally ban all Americans from purchasing guns’ www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/16/dylan-matthews-vox-writer-calls-for-obama-to-unila/
So Vox wants the current president to just revoke the constitutional rights of Americans and they openly promote violence against a candidate, but are afraid of a Trump presidency? I just can't take them seriously.
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Post by jayfab on Jul 22, 2016 22:07:47 GMT
flanz Thanks for posting. I understand it's an opinion piece but the examples and quotes are fact. It's horrifying to read it all in one place.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 22, 2016 23:59:29 GMT
Vox is a far left progressive media operation, so consider the source.
"In June 2016 Vox suspended contributor Emmett Rensin for a series of tweets calling for anti-Trump riots, including one on June 3 that urged, "If Trump comes to your town, start a riot." The tweets drew attention because violent anti-Trump protests took place in San Jose, California on the day of Rensin's tweet."
I remember those protests because anti-Trump people actually chased down rally attendees who were peacefully walking out of the rally and beat them up.
Another Vox writer: Vox writer calls for Obama to ‘unilaterally ban all Americans from purchasing guns’ www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/16/dylan-matthews-vox-writer-calls-for-obama-to-unila/
So Vox wants the current president to just revoke the constitutional rights of Americans and they openly promote violence against a candidate, but are afraid of a Trump presidency? I just can't take them seriously. How do you figure they "openly promote violence" when they DUMPED the guy who was openly promoting violence? That's evidence of NOT promoting violence. I won't argue the rest with you because I'm not familiar enough with the site to have a leg to stand on. But just going by your own words ... they aren't promoting violence.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 23, 2016 1:40:41 GMT
How do you figure they "openly promote violence" when they DUMPED the guy who was openly promoting violence? That's evidence of NOT promoting violence. They didn't dump him. He tweeted his first call to riots at 10:10p.m. on June 2nd. It took Ezra Klein until the afternoon of June 3rd, at 1:46p.m. to suspend him. The tweet was not deleted. Rensin was reinstated. Imagine the outcry if a conservative writer had done the same about Bernie or Hillary. Calls for his immediat4e termination would have gone out and a huge outcry would have gone viral. I suspect he was only suspended because it would have looked really bad if he hadn't been sanctioned at all.
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Post by mlynn on Jul 23, 2016 2:06:30 GMT
I am truly hoping that a viable 3rd candidate turns up.
That said, I cannot in good conscience vote for Hilary Clinton. It dates back to Bill's presidency and something she did at the women's summit. I just cannot.
I think a lot of Trump support came from people who feel their views are not tolerated and they will be attacked because they are not "politically correct". Trump gives them a voice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 2:11:41 GMT
I am truly hoping that a viable 3rd candidate turns up. That said, I cannot in good conscience vote for Hilary Clinton. It dates back to Bill's presidency and something she did at the women's summit. I just cannot. I think a lot of Trump support came from people who feel their views are not tolerated and they will be attacked because they are not "politically correct". Trump gives them a voice. Johnson/Weld, on the ballot in all 50 states. Save
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 2:21:04 GMT
Johnson/Weld, on the ballot in all 50 states. #FeeltheJohnson
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Post by peasquared on Jul 23, 2016 2:43:00 GMT
Johnson/Weld, on the ballot in all 50 states. #FeeltheJohnson Are they really using that hashtag or is that yours? Love the pun! haha
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 2:44:00 GMT
Thanks, but there is a FB page by that name. Not mine sadly but I plan to embrace it (pun fully intended.)
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jul 23, 2016 2:50:26 GMT
Johnson/Weld, on the ballot in all 50 states. #FeeltheJohnson
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 3:21:50 GMT
I am a Bernie supporter but will vote for Hillary. I have not participated a great deal in any threads about Trump and have been away from the board for a month recently, while traveling. IF you are planning to vote for Trump, I hope you will read this with an open mind and then tell us WHY you would vote for this man. IF you are NOT planning to vote for Trump, I hope you will read this, share with all of your friends IRL and TALK to them about why you cannot vote for this man. IF we sit silently by, thinking a Trump presidency just can't happen, we may be very rudely surprised on election night. And the consequences may be more dire than we can even imagine. www.vox.com/2016/7/21/12218136/donald-trump-nomination-afraidPlease be civil in your comments here. I genuinely want to hear your thoughts on supporting Trump for President in light of his character and past and current behavior.This attitude truly flabbergasts me. Hillary's moral character, her past and current behavior is not one lick better than anything Trump has ever done. I think they're both despicable human beings of poor moral character. You couldn't pay me to sit down and have dinner with either of them. For as horrible as the Republican nominee is, the Democratic nominee is absolutely no better. None. Zilch.
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Post by happymomma on Jul 23, 2016 5:27:33 GMT
I am truly hoping that a viable 3rd candidate turns up. That said, I cannot in good conscience vote for Hilary Clinton. It dates back to Bill's presidency and something she did at the women's summit. I just cannot. I think a lot of Trump support came from people who feel their views are not tolerated and they will be attacked because they are not "politically correct". Trump gives them a voice. Johnson/Weld, on the ballot in all 50 states. SaveI've been looking into Johnson, based on your suggestion the other day. I cannot seem to find anything at all about his stance on the Veterans' healthcare crisis or what he plans to do about them. Can you guide me to this information? Thanks in advance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 5:30:57 GMT
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This a first. But then this election has been a lot of firsts. The original article posted in this thread was dismissed because the article was by some writers at Vox for some reason in spite of the fact they included links to back up what they were saying. The Editorial Board at the Washington Post expressed their feelings about Trump and it's that under no circumstances that he should become president and they go on to list why. I'm sure some will find a reason to discount the comments of the Washington Post Editorial Board. But I think it's worth a read. The reason this is a first is because no previous Editorial Board has come out against a candidate before the other party has even had their convention. They aren't endorsing Hillary, she will have to earn that. But they sure did rip apart Trump and surprising enough it kind of matched what the Vox article said. Go figure.
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Post by 3dcrafter on Jul 23, 2016 5:58:04 GMT
I am a Bernie supporter but will vote for Hillary. I have not participated a great deal in any threads about Trump and have been away from the board for a month recently, while traveling. IF you are planning to vote for Trump, I hope you will read this with an open mind and then tell us WHY you would vote for this man. IF you are NOT planning to vote for Trump, I hope you will read this, share with all of your friends IRL and TALK to them about why you cannot vote for this man. IF we sit silently by, thinking a Trump presidency just can't happen, we may be very rudely surprised on election night. And the consequences may be more dire than we can even imagine. www.vox.com/2016/7/21/12218136/donald-trump-nomination-afraidPlease be civil in your comments here. I genuinely want to hear your thoughts on supporting Trump for President in light of his character and past and current behavior.This attitude truly flabbergasts me. Hillary's moral character, her past and current behavior is not one lick better than anything Trump has ever done. I think they're both despicable human beings of poor moral character. You couldn't pay me to sit down and have dinner with either of them. For as horrible as the Republican nominee is, the Democratic nominee is absolutely no better. None. Zilch.
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Post by DinCA on Jul 23, 2016 9:08:43 GMT
I haven't made up my mind yet but I wouldn't vote for Hillary if she was the last candidate left on earth. That I am absolutely sure of.
Will I vote for Trump? Probably.
I see that you're a Bernie supporter. Have you seen the Wikileaks emails that were leaked today? If you haven't, you might want to check them out. What I have learned about that woman over the last six months makes me ill.
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Post by jayfab on Jul 23, 2016 12:25:08 GMT
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This a first. But then this election has been a lot of firsts. The original article posted in this thread was dismissed because the article was by some writers at Vox for some reason in spite of the fact they included links to back up what they were saying. The Editorial Board at the Washington Post expressed their feelings about Trump and it's that under no circumstances that he should become president and they go on to list why. I'm sure some will find a reason to discount the comments of the Washington Post Editorial Board. But I think it's worth a read. The reason this is a first is because no previous Editorial Board has come out against a candidate before the other party has even had their convention. They aren't endorsing Hillary, she will have to earn that. But they sure did rip apart Trump and surprising enough it kind of matched what the Vox article said. Go figure. The first and last paragraph says it all for me. DONALD J. TRUMP, until now a Republican problem, this week became a challenge the nation must confront and overcome. The real estate tycoon is uniquely unqualified to serve as president, in experience and temperament. He is mounting a campaign of snarl and sneer, not substance. To the extent he has views, they are wrong in their diagnosis of America’s problems and dangerous in their proposed solutions. Mr. Trump’s politics of denigration and division could strain the bonds that have held a diverse nation together. His contempt for constitutional norms might reveal the nation’s two-century-old experiment in checks and balances to be more fragile than we knew.
The party’s failure of judgment leaves the nation’s future where it belongs, in the hands of voters. Many Americans do not like either candidate this year . We have criticized the presumptive Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, in the past and will do so again when warranted. But we do not believe that she (or the Libertarian and Green party candidates, for that matter) represents a threat to the Constitution. Mr. Trump is a unique and present danger.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 12:43:56 GMT
Johnson/Weld, on the ballot in all 50 states. SaveI've been looking into Johnson, based on your suggestion the other day. I cannot seem to find anything at all about his stance on the Veterans' healthcare crisis or what he plans to do about them. Can you guide me to this information? Thanks in advance. No, sorry, I can't because I don't find anything very specific relating to that particular issue. I do know that he supports a 43% military spending cut without cutting any current veterans benefits, but does not necessarily support a raise in those benefits (as of 2012) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht4lj5klsc4Save
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Post by txdancermom on Jul 23, 2016 12:56:59 GMT
Trump scares the sh*t out of me. he is in this only for his own benefit, he doesn't care one bit about any of the rest of us, he only likes himself and wants to be a winner. I also don't see how he will be able to give up controlling his businesses if he is elected, and has no idea of the level of work required for the position of POTUS.
I will vote for Hillary - while the libertarian and green candidates are tempting, I think the democrats can find a way to win this, and while not an ideal candidate, she is better than trump.
If anyone thinks our country will be better with trump, they are in for a shock - it won't and we will be in real trouble if he is elected
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Post by happymomma on Jul 23, 2016 12:57:01 GMT
I've been looking into Johnson, based on your suggestion the other day. I cannot seem to find anything at all about his stance on the Veterans' healthcare crisis or what he plans to do about them. Can you guide me to this information? Thanks in advance. No, sorry, I can't because I don't find anything very specific relating to that particular issue. I do know that he supports a 43% military spending cut without cutting any current veterans benefits, but does not necessarily support a raise in those benefits (as of 2012) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht4lj5klsc4SaveNot looking for a raise in benefits, but a fix of the horrible VA healthcare system. That issue is something that I live with daily, so that's what I'm really watching, among other things. People can say what they want about Trump, he at least has a sensible plan for this. I'm really reaching to find anything good about Trump or Hillary but this is what gives him the edge for me.
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Post by lindas on Jul 23, 2016 13:01:13 GMT
I've been looking into Johnson, based on your suggestion the other day. I cannot seem to find anything at all about his stance on the Veterans' healthcare crisis or what he plans to do about them. Can you guide me to this information? Thanks in advance. No, sorry, I can't because I don't find anything very specific relating to that particular issue. I do know that he supports a 43% military spending cut without cutting any current veterans benefits, but does not necessarily support a raise in those benefits (as of 2012) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht4lj5klsc4SaveI have no words to express the outrage I have after listening to that. If he still feels that way then a vote for him is a vote against our military and veterans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 13:03:40 GMT
No, sorry, I can't because I don't find anything very specific relating to that particular issue. I do know that he supports a 43% military spending cut without cutting any current veterans benefits, but does not necessarily support a raise in those benefits (as of 2012) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht4lj5klsc4SaveNot looking for a raise in benefits, but a fix of the horrible VA healthcare system. That issue is something that I live with daily, so that's what I'm really watching, among other things. People can say what they want about Trump, he at least has a sensible plan for this. I'm really reaching to find anything good about Trump or Hillary but this is what gives him the edge for me. I know it's a big issue for you, understandably, and only put the "raise in benefits" part because that was his quote from the video and the extent of what I could find on the topic. Save
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 13:27:55 GMT
No, sorry, I can't because I don't find anything very specific relating to that particular issue. I do know that he supports a 43% military spending cut without cutting any current veterans benefits, but does not necessarily support a raise in those benefits (as of 2012) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht4lj5klsc4SaveI have no words to express the outrage I have after listening to that. If he still feels that way then a vote for him is a vote against our military and veterans. That video was published in 2012 - 4 years ago. On the most recent town hall with CNN about a month ago, he was pushed for a number and he said around 20%. He said any government department can generally find savings of 20%...I am paraphrasing but you will find the full statement in the CNN townhall video.
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Post by happymomma on Jul 23, 2016 13:28:58 GMT
Not looking for a raise in benefits, but a fix of the horrible VA healthcare system. That issue is something that I live with daily, so that's what I'm really watching, among other things. People can say what they want about Trump, he at least has a sensible plan for this. I'm really reaching to find anything good about Trump or Hillary but this is what gives him the edge for me. I know it's a big issue for you, understandably, and only put the "raise in benefits" part because that was his quote from the video and the extent of what I could find on the topic. SaveOh, I understand and I thank you for posting that. It's more than I found on my own. My household isn't wanting a raise in benefits, per se, and actually my husband has only gotten one small COL raise in the past five years anyway. Watching the video doesn't automatically rule him out for me, as with the poster above, but I'd need to hear a lot more about what that really means. If he could cut the waste and restructure enough to fix issues, great. I, personally am not in favor of cutting away at our defense at all, especially in the dangerous times we live in. I have my own impractical and convoluted idea of how to best defend our country but it won't happen and probably is crazy anyway, just a dream. LOL Trump luckily hits on the one issue that affects (effects? Gah!) my life on a daily basis, and more so that of my spouse. With a solution that is sound and common sense. Now, whether he can accomplish that, well, can any of them actually accomplish what they promise? But...at least it is important enough to him to make a solid and logical plan for and that is better than the opponent (HC) is telling us. I do not agree with everything he stands for. Or everything she stands for. But we don't get to custom make our candidate to match us in all categories. It's like religion in my opinion, there are aspects people don't agree with in their chosen religion, but overall unless you want to invent your own, you pick the closest fit. This is all MY opinion. Nobody has to agree, it's just how I, as one voter, feel. I am truly having a difficult finding anything good about anyone right now who is running, so I will make my choice based upon what I do know and can find out before election time. I wish my dream candidate existed but they don't. Thanks again for the video. I hope he addresses it more deeply soon, somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 14:52:41 GMT
I haven't made up my mind yet but I wouldn't vote for Hillary if she was the last candidate left on earth. That I am absolutely sure of. Will I vote for Trump? Probably. I see that you're a Bernie supporter. Have you seen the Wikileaks emails that were leaked today? If you haven't, you might want to check them out. What I have learned about that woman over the last six months makes me ill. This appeared on my Twitter timeline this morning: "The party of Lincoln's nominee for President of the United States Ladies and Gents." ....... "Donald J Trump @realdonaldtrump Pocahontas wanted V.P.slot so badly but wasn't chosen because she has done nothing in the Senate. Also Crooked Hillary hates her!" This tweet came after he spent yesterday morning whining about Cruz's speech and declaring he doesn't want his endorsement anyway. When you and others get ready to vote you may want to think about this childish behavior dealing with world leaders when you cast your vote.
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