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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 4:01:55 GMT
Following that same line of logic, it would stand to reason that Obama's rhetoric about the police has made some people think it's okay to get violent at rallies and protests. What exactly has President Obama said that would incite violence against the police? Every time a police shooting happened, he weighed in on it before the facts were known, always coming down on the side of the one that got shot and never the police. He always acknowledges that sometimes cops are bad, but never acknowledges that often, the one in the altercation is the one that is at fault. It wasn't until the last shooting that he ever said we don't know the facts yet. Following your same line of logic, that kind of tacit condemnation of police, from our President, goes a long way in stirring up anger and all that follows. Yes, Donald Trump has said some obvious divisive and repulsive rhetoric that, following your line of logic, makes people think it's okay to get violent. But you don't have to be as obvious as Trump to accomplish the same thing.
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Post by DinCA on Jul 24, 2016 4:17:29 GMT
OMG. That is absurd. The only person accusing him is you! OMG....I think you need to google that...... SockMonkey is by far not the only person accusing him. I googled. And all I have to say is that you're going to have to do better than that. Tabloid accusations and an anonymous accuser who had a civil suit thrown out of court is not enough. If there were any credible accusations, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN and even FOX would be all over it. And they are not. Being friends with Jeffrey Epstein is not an indictment. Unless of course, you'd like to indict Bill Clinton, too, who is also friends with Jeffrey Epstein and has flown all over the world with him on many occasions. SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by happymomma on Jul 24, 2016 4:35:23 GMT
To sum it up: Both sides do the same thing when it comes to supporting/hating, believing/not believing bad stuff, giving a pass to the nonsense the candidate has pulled, calling names, calling out lies, finger pointing and so on.
Both Clinton and Trump have huge faults that, apparently, those supporting them don't care enough about to change their minds. Each voter assigns whatever weight they feel appropriate to the pros and cons of the candidates. The back-and-forth could (and has) gone on endlessly. People on each side are called stupid, ignorant, and a whole slew of other names just for preferring 'their' candidate. That's really sad, in my opinion. There are people that are trying to learn whose stances best match their own, if either. My mind changes often as I learn more things. I assign my own weight. I don't give a crap what Trump's wife said in a speech any more than I care who Clinton's husband boinked while in office. That does matter to some people, but in the end I get my own vote and they get theirs. The one with the most votes (well, kind of, but that's another issue) wins and will be our next President! Some people will be overjoyed, some destroyed, but we will all suck it up and make it through the next four years liking it or not.
What does make me sad is that there is so much hatred and it is on BOTH sides. When we are disrespecting each other as human beings over a political opinion, we need to remember that we are all just trying to get through the day, love our families, find some joy in life and be healthy. Next time I feel like posting something snarky, I am going to pretend there is an invisible referee blowing a huge whistle and remember that I think all of you women are pretty awesome in your own ways. How can we ever wish for world peace when we can't even co-exist respectfully on an Internet message board?
I'm thankful for those of you who have helped me learn this election season by answering my questions about even the most basic aspects of it. I've learned a lot with your help and I hope to continue!
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Post by amom23 on Jul 24, 2016 4:50:06 GMT
This appeared on my Twitter timeline this morning: "The party of Lincoln's nominee for President of the United States Ladies and Gents." ....... "Donald J Trump @realdonaldtrump Pocahontas wanted V.P.slot so badly but wasn't chosen because she has done nothing in the Senate. Also Crooked Hillary hates her!" This tweet came after he spent yesterday morning whining about Cruz's speech and declaring he doesn't want his endorsement anyway. When you and others get ready to vote you may want to think about this childish behavior dealing with world leaders when you cast your vote. If I have to choose between childish behavior and reckless and gross incompetence, it's an easy choice. And while I'm at it, actions speak louder than words. Trump has never been accused of being unkind to those who have worked for him while there are many, many accounts of Hillary treating people like crap. She is a fraud. At least he doesn't pretend to be someone else. ETA: I'd rather know what to expect from someone than be stabbed in the back. The difference is everyone who has ever been married to or worked for Donald Trump has to sign a non-disclosure agreement. Obviously for legal reasons those people can't talk, but I'm sure most would have plenty to say if they could.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 5:38:13 GMT
Very interesting read - and confirms the things I've read about him in the past. Same here, especially having lived in NY for my first 48 years, I can recall a lot! This is the newest bit to come out, and I've heard real facts about this beginning as far back as 1998 or so........ This isn't flirting or having an affair with your intern; this is rape; this is pedophile activity: www.rawstory.com/2016/07/a-third-woman-alleges-she-was-sexually-assaulted-by-donald-trump/THAT, alone (besides the raw fact that he's a misogynistic person), rules him out, no matter what. I'm hoping Bernie will pop up somewhere, somehow. If not, I'll check into Johnson much, much more. We need V.A. improvements, improvements to medicare and social security and the real basics for retired, disabled people on a limited income. There hasn't been an increase in TWO years in our social security income, yet our rent and cost of living is increasing. Makes no sense!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 6:04:17 GMT
Racist, rapist, sexist, liar... Pick one. Pick any one. This also applies to Bill Clinton. RAPIST? When??? Where? ? Any and all affairs that Bill Clinton has had, left the women feeling like they were in the midst of an affair with him. He didn't rape them and wasn't sexist. Trump, on the other hand, has seemingly had pedophile tendencies from what New Yorkers heard back in the 1990's. I remember hearing jokes and rumors about him. I remember seeing him learing at young girls and at his own daughter. Clinton isn't ANYTHING like that. Clinton is extremely intelligent and has the capability of truly being charming and witty. Trump is just a misogynistic, moronic, hate-monger/bully (and that's being nice!). To mock disabilities?? To mock races?? To mock women?? To mock womens' appearance? ?? (Has he LOOKED in the mirror, btw? Orange oompah loompahs aren't too sexy, especially when stupidity rolls off of their tongue). Show me ONE CASE that anyone has mentioned Bill Clinton being a supposed rapist. I linked an article that claims a few people said that Trump was and is a rapist. His own 2nd wife said it in her book. He raped her while they were at the end of their marriage. I remember hearing that on an interview on tv. It can't be forgotten.
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Post by happymomma on Jul 24, 2016 6:10:41 GMT
This also applies to Bill Clinton. RAPIST? When??? Where? ? Any and all affairs that Bill Clinton has had, left the women feeling like they were in the midst of an affair with him. He didn't rape them and wasn't sexist. Trump, on the other hand, has seemingly had pedophile tendencies from what New Yorkers heard back in the 1990's. I remember hearing jokes and rumors about him. I remember seeing him learing at young girls and at his own daughter. Clinton isn't ANYTHING like that. Clinton is extremely intelligent and has the capability of truly being charming and witty. Trump is just a misogynistic, moronic, hate-monger/bully (and that's being nice!). To mock disabilities?? To mock races?? To mock women?? To mock womens' appearance? ?? (Has he LOOKED in the mirror, btw? Orange oompah loompahs aren't too sexy, especially when stupidity rolls off of their tongue). Show me ONE CASE that anyone has mentioned Bill Clinton being a supposed rapist. I linked an article that claims a few people said that Trump was and is a rapist. His own 2nd wife said it in her book. He raped her while they were at the end of their marriage. I remember hearing that on an interview on tv. It can't be forgotten. Only because you asked... Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States (1993-2001), has been publicly accused by several women of sexual misconduct. Juanita Broaddrick has accused Clinton of rape; Kathleen Willey has accused Clinton of groping her without consent; and Paula Jones accuses Clinton of sexually harassing her. No other woman has publicly accused Clinton of sexual assault or harassment, although there have been anonymous allegations. Edited to add article containing details with sources: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 6:18:47 GMT
Well, he has been accused of rape. Multiple times. Actions. Speak. OMG. That is absurd. The only person accusing him is you! Nope, that it NOT TRUE. It's been on record at least since wife #2, Ivana Trump, said that he raped her while they were still married, and nearing divorce. She said very clearly that it was violent and against her wishes. She said it on tv shows back then and also in a book she wrote. I posted a link with a few claims of rape. I'll post it again here. Let me say, again, that as a New Yorker, I CLEARLY recall rumors of him being a creep, a pedophile and a rapist. It was well known back then (in the 1990's) in New York. Now someone is suing him. She was only 13. I don't doubt it, at all!! www.rawstory.com/2016/07/a-third-woman-alleges-she-was-sexually-assaulted-by-donald-trump/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 6:29:15 GMT
Only because you asked... Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States (1993-2001), has been publicly accused by several women of sexual misconduct. Juanita Broaddrick has accused Clinton of rape; Kathleen Willey has accused Clinton of groping her without consent; and Paula Jones accuses Clinton of sexually harassing her. No other woman has publicly accused Clinton of sexual assault or harassment, although there have been anonymous allegations. Edited to add article containing details with sources: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations Thank you. I did ask, because I lived that era and I DO recall sexual misconduct. I do NOT, however, recall anyone ever charging him with rape or using the word, "rape". The same can't be said of disgusting Trump. Behind the scenes, we've all heard rumblings of Bill Clinton's active sex life. ALL of the women that he knew said that when he spoke to them, he had a way of making them feel like they were the only woman in the room. He was flirty, intelligent, playful, and I believe consensual. I can't see him having to force himself on anyone. Now, Trump, on the other hand, is used to that type of behavior, and rumors of his pedophile/rape/sick behavior has been around since the 1990's. I don't doubt it. You can see how much of a bully he is just by viewing his speeches or his interviews with journalists or reporters.
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Post by happymomma on Jul 24, 2016 6:34:31 GMT
Only because you asked... Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States (1993-2001), has been publicly accused by several women of sexual misconduct. Juanita Broaddrick has accused Clinton of rape; Kathleen Willey has accused Clinton of groping her without consent; and Paula Jones accuses Clinton of sexually harassing her. No other woman has publicly accused Clinton of sexual assault or harassment, although there have been anonymous allegations. Edited to add article containing details with sources: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations Thank you. I did ask, because I lived that era and I DO recall sexual misconduct. I do NOT, however, recall anyone ever charging him with rape or using the word, "rape". The same can't be said of disgusting Trump. Behind the scenes, we've all heard rumblings of Bill Clinton's active sex life. ALL of the women that he knew said that when he spoke to them, he had a way of making them feel like they were the only woman in the room. He was flirty, intelligent, playful, and I believe consensual. I can't see him having to force himself on anyone. Now, Trump, on the other hand, is used to that type of behavior, and rumors of his pedophile/rape/sick behavior has been around since the 1990's. I don't doubt it. You can see how much of a bully he is just by viewing his speeches or his interviews with journalists or reporters. In a 1999 episode of Dateline NBC, former Clinton volunteer Juanita Broaddrick alleged that in the late 1970s Bill Clinton raped her in her hotel room. According to Broaddrick, she agreed to meet with Clinton for coffee in the lobby of her hotel, but Clinton asked if they could go to her room to avoid a crowd of reporters. Once Clinton had isolated her in her hotel room, he sexually assaulted her. Broaddrick stated Clinton injured her lip by biting it during the assault.[1][2] In 1999, Clinton denied Broaddrick's allegations through his lawyer. Misconduct, sexual assault, rape, all three are what these women chose to call the violations. Not that it matters I guess...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 6:45:55 GMT
I didn't remember that. That's disturbing if it's true. It seemed like he was a real lady's man and could get anyone he wanted, without pressure, rape, assault, etc.......... I'd wonder why Broaddrick didn't report it as a sexual assault to the police, asap?? I don't recall all of the details of that particular incident though......... Being accused of RAPE, to me, especially if it involves a minor, is very different than sexual assault, although they're all very wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 6:52:29 GMT
This also applies to Bill Clinton. RAPIST? When??? Where? ? Any and all affairs that Bill Clinton has had, left the women feeling like they were in the midst of an affair with him. He didn't rape them and wasn't sexist. Trump, on the other hand, has seemingly had pedophile tendencies from what New Yorkers heard back in the 1990's. I remember hearing jokes and rumors about him. I remember seeing him learing at young girls and at his own daughter. Clinton isn't ANYTHING like that. Clinton is extremely intelligent and has the capability of truly being charming and witty. Trump is just a misogynistic, moronic, hate-monger/bully (and that's being nice!). To mock disabilities?? To mock races?? To mock women?? To mock womens' appearance? ?? (Has he LOOKED in the mirror, btw? Orange oompah loompahs aren't too sexy, especially when stupidity rolls off of their tongue). Show me ONE CASE that anyone has mentioned Bill Clinton being a supposed rapist. I linked an article that claims a few people said that Trump was and is a rapist. His own 2nd wife said it in her book. He raped her while they were at the end of their marriage. I remember hearing that on an interview on tv. It can't be forgotten. A Millennial's Guide to Bill Clinton's 20+ Sex Scandals
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 6:55:05 GMT
I didn't remember that. That's disturbing if it's true. It seemed like he was a real lady's man and could get anyone he wanted, without pressure, rape, assault, etc.......... I'd wonder why Broaddrick didn't report it as a sexual assault to the police, asap?? I don't recall all of the details of that particular incident though......... Being accused of RAPE, to me, especially if it involves a minor, is very different than sexual assault, although they're all very wrong. Earlier this year, the former president’s sex life came under scrutiny again when it was revealed that Bill had flown with billionaire Jeffery Epstein at least 10 times on the “Lolita Express” — his jet that was used to pick up underage prostitutes. Epstein pleaded guilty to the charges of pedophilia in late 2007. When asked about those trips with the former president, Epstein pleaded the Fifth.
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Post by happymomma on Jul 24, 2016 7:07:00 GMT
I didn't remember that. That's disturbing if it's true. It seemed like he was a real lady's man and could get anyone he wanted, without pressure, rape, assault, etc.......... I'd wonder why Broaddrick didn't report it as a sexual assault to the police, asap?? I don't recall all of the details of that particular incident though......... Being accused of RAPE, to me, especially if it involves a minor, is very different than sexual assault, although they're all very wrong. I'm not sure why she didn't? I know that many women don't report for a variety of reasons. I agree that all sexual violations are very wrong, for sure. I'm thankful that our society is finally understanding that. I'm going to read up on the accusations made against Trump tomorrow. That is extremely disturbing to me but I don't know anything about it at this time. I'm trying to make informed decisions and though I'm not a judge, I'd like to know the story as that would be a huge thing for me even though I'm trying not to make my decisions based on their personal lives. There are things like this, as with Hillary, that I feel I must consider.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 24, 2016 7:45:41 GMT
I didn't remember that. That's disturbing if it's true. It seemed like he was a real lady's man and could get anyone he wanted, without pressure, rape, assault, etc.......... I'd wonder why Broaddrick didn't report it as a sexual assault to the police, asap?? I don't recall all of the details of that particular incident though......... Being accused of RAPE, to me, especially if it involves a minor, is very different than sexual assault, although they're all very wrong. I'm not sure why she didn't? I know that many women don't report for a variety of reasons. I agree that all sexual violations are very wrong, for sure. I'm thankful that our society is finally understanding that. I'm going to read up on the accusations made against Trump tomorrow. That is extremely disturbing to me but I don't know anything about it at this time. I'm trying to make informed decisions and though I'm not a judge, I'd like to know the story as that would be a huge thing for me even though I'm trying not to make my decisions based on their personal lives. There are things like this, as with Hillary, that I feel I must consider. What you need to take into account is that Hillary is out there campaigning for this election saying that all rape victims deserve to be believed. Hillary Clinton on TwitterYet Hillary ran a "war room" to fight the "bimbo eruptions" back in the day when women were coming to the front to make allegations against her husband. It shouldn't be hard to find more information than you ever wanted to know just by a quick Google search for bimbo eruptions.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jul 24, 2016 15:13:37 GMT
[David Duke has] laid low for quite some time now, politically. It's not a coincidence. It's just NOT. I'm not saying it's ALL Trump's fault, but the state of the Republican party's rhetoric is such that white supremacists find purchase there. That should be extremely concerning to true Republicans. (bold mine)This New Yorker article is almost a year old, but still timely. Discusses how the White Nationalist movement was galvanized by Donald Trump's campaign (on the heels of already being galvanized by the Confederate flag brouhaha), and how his campaign rhetoric was changing their attitude about the GOP AND mainstream political involvement.
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Post by lovetodigi on Jul 24, 2016 15:42:35 GMT
Our town was bombarded with KKK flyers left in doors and on porches 2-3 years ago. Whose fault was it then? That does not negate the fact that these people are crawling out of the woodwork NOW, all convinced Trump is on their side. He refuses to disavow them unless cornered, and then he goes right back to courting them. The flyers were left under the cover of darkness. Now they feel comfortable coming out out of the woodwork in the open daylight to spread their hate, because Trump has made it okay to do so.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 24, 2016 16:08:04 GMT
I didn't remember that. That's disturbing if it's true. It seemed like he was a real lady's man and could get anyone he wanted, without pressure, rape, assault, etc.......... NBC interviewed her and cross checked her story 6 ways to Sunday. But they sat on it. Can you say media bias? I knew you could. Gotta protect the Democrats. -- Juanita Broaddrick Meets the Press www.wsj.com/articles/SB919379691540145000Bill Clinton is part of this election because Hillary brought him into it when she said he was going to be in charge of the economy.
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Post by jayfab on Jul 24, 2016 16:21:10 GMT
Trump the one upper... even with sleazing around lol On President Bill Clinton vs. President Trump? “Can you imagine how controversial I'd be? You think about him with the women. How about me with the women? Can you imagine?” (CNBC, August 27, 1998) link
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jul 24, 2016 16:37:01 GMT
Well, this thread took a turn---again.
I just can't wrap my brain around how anyone can think Trump would make even an adequate leader of the United States.
Totally get people dislike Clinton, but she's fairly moderate and doesn't have fascist tendencies.
Worst case scenario for Clinton--- we stay stagnant Worst case scenario for Trump--- we become a country unrecognizable.
He doesn't respect or understand the constitution or seem to have any kind of real plan for making "America great again." That alone should make any good conservative pause. Vote Johnson. Make a third party viable for the future. Yes, Clinton will win and you will hate her and send all kinds of nasty memes and bitch about her constantly for the next four years, but at least you aren't playing Russian roulette with our country.
My take. Trump scares the shit out of me.
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Post by beebee on Jul 24, 2016 17:08:46 GMT
It's worth looking into, thanks. I believe the preponderance of the evidence is that his father was racist, and his father was still involved at that time. OTOH, stories you will probably never read in the NYT include how Trump went against the town council and norms in the area when he opened up Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach. In an area known for segregation, he informed them that his club would be open to all. You won't see that in the NYT because it goes against the narrative. I am dismissive over the things like retweeting that star over piles of cash. Detractors claimed it was a Star of David, but before I ever heard anything, the first thing I saw was that it looked like a sheriff's star to me, and then I saw the business about that same star being used by Disney. Sometimes the overreach is ridiculous. Do you have any links to stories of one-on-one discrimination?No overreach involved. I never cease to be completely astonished by the obtuseness of Trump supporters over this matter. Okay, YOU are not a racist, and maybe that's why YOU don't recognize this message for what it is. I can flat-out guarantee you, at least 99% of the Jews on this planet recognize it, and so do the white supremacists, anti-Zionists, and neo-Nazis. Put a Star of David over a pile of cash and attach an attack against a politician. Bingo! That is in no way related to Disney using a six-pointed star for a splash on the cover of a product intended for little girls. And if that's not good enough for you, what about the fact that the graphic actually WAS originally lifted from a white supremacist site? I wouldn't make the claim that Trump himself deliberately chose to send out an obviously anti-Semitic message. But I do think they don't care where their stuff comes from. They can't be bothered to vet their material, and when confronted, it's deny deny deny. It's not just this time. They very clearly do not care whom they hurt, in every case, every situation, over and over and over again. It is exactly like the time Trump mocked the disabled journalist and then denied it. It was absolutely clear to anyone with half a brain, and yet there he is on camera, deny deny deny. It is painful to watch, for those of us not contorting ourselves into pretzels in order to defend the indefensible. The whole Star of David incident is just crazy to me. Why would he do that when his daughter is a converted Jew and his grandchildren are Jewish? There is no way he would do something to hurt them. If I got anything out of the convention, I got the message that he has a lot of love and respect for his children and vice versa.
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Post by Belia on Jul 24, 2016 17:18:03 GMT
What exactly has President Obama said that would incite violence against the police? Every time a police shooting happened, he weighed in on it before the facts were known, always coming down on the side of the one that got shot and never the police. He always acknowledges that sometimes cops are bad, but never acknowledges that often, the one in the altercation is the one that is at fault. It wasn't until the last shooting that he ever said we don't know the facts yet. Your response has entirely too many "always" and "nevers," with no specifics, for me to take it remotely seriously. Which is what drives me absolutely bonkers about threads like these.
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Post by happymomma on Jul 24, 2016 17:23:40 GMT
I'm not sure why she didn't? I know that many women don't report for a variety of reasons. I agree that all sexual violations are very wrong, for sure. I'm thankful that our society is finally understanding that. I'm going to read up on the accusations made against Trump tomorrow. That is extremely disturbing to me but I don't know anything about it at this time. I'm trying to make informed decisions and though I'm not a judge, I'd like to know the story as that would be a huge thing for me even though I'm trying not to make my decisions based on their personal lives. There are things like this, as with Hillary, that I feel I must consider. What you need to take into account is that Hillary is out there campaigning for this election saying that all rape victims deserve to be believed. Hillary Clinton on TwitterYet Hillary ran a "war room" to fight the "bimbo eruptions" back in the day when women were coming to the front to make allegations against her husband. It shouldn't be hard to find more information than you ever wanted to know just by a quick Google search for bimbo eruptions. Thank you for pointing my unknowing self in this direction. Oh my. This is so disturbing, and I never knew a thing about it. As I have stated here before I was oblivious to politics, government and pretty much the world around me in the past. I'ts not easy to admit that, but it's the truth. I can only move forward in life and continue to dig myself out from under the rock I lived under most of my life. This is disturbing in so many ways, against Hillary because of her role in it all and Bill because if she's elected I believe she will have him involved in the running of our country. I never cared who he slept with and still don't...meaning his consensual affairs. Reading about these women now, I have truly lost respect for them both, not at politicians but as humans. Sexual assault is never, ever okay. As much as I feel like I have had enough gloom for today, I am going to read up on the accusations against Trump too. For crying out loud, if they sound credible too, I truly don't think I can vote for either one of them. Why can't we have a truly good person run for President?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 18:08:30 GMT
Well, this thread took a turn---again. I just can't wrap my brain around how anyone can think Trump would make even an adequate leader of the United States. Totally get people dislike Clinton, but she's fairly moderate and doesn't have fascist tendencies. Worst case scenario for Clinton--- we stay stagnant Worst case scenario for Trump--- we become a country unrecognizable. He doesn't respect or understand the constitution or seem to have any kind of real plan for making "America great again." That alone should make any good conservative pause. Vote Johnson. Make a third party viable for the future. Yes, Clinton will win and you will hate her and send all kinds of nasty memes and bitch about her constantly for the next four years, but at least you aren't playing Russian roulette with our country. My take. Trump scares the shit out of me. ^^^THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^ THIS is EXACTLY how I feel!!!!!!!!!!! TO THE OP: THANK YOU for bringing about a discussion regarding our choices. IMO, this is invaluable. Most people think it's only Hillary or Trump, but you posted other options, and after reading all of this, I'll be not only praying that Bernie Sanders could somehow appear and be in the running, but I will read up on Johnson and everything he and his team stand for. THANK YOU!!!
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 24, 2016 22:04:05 GMT
but at least you aren't playing Russian roulette with our country. How naïve. Time and time and time again, the Clintons have sold out human rights, the environment, nuclear weapons, and control of uranium, to name just a few things, for cash. Haiti, Nigeria, Russia, India. Staggering sums of cash. They have sold out the interests of the U.S. and people around the world for cash. The thought of a Clinton presidency terrifies me. Google it yourself. The NYT carried a long and well-researched article on the uranium sell-out, and other reputable media outlets have carried other Clinton Cash verifications as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 22:16:38 GMT
Twitter seems to get him into trouble, doesn't it? No filter between his brain and the keyboard. Pocahantas is his nickname for Elizabeth Warren. I don't think it's because he's a fan of Native Americans. I can only wonder what nicknames he has for other minority groups? My husband is an immigrant (naturalized citizen) and I have 2 kids who have a disability. I imagine how he would feel about them if they were to cross his path? My son - who is 17 and legally blind - is actually worried about the election. He was concerned to see a presidential candidate openly mocking a disabled person and asked me - ' if that's the way he feels about that guy, I wonder how he'd feel about me? I don't think he'd like me very much."Save and I am so sad and mad for your son. I have a handicapped brother and I had those same thoughts when I saw how he mocked that journalist. What adult does this? And then lies about it! When children make fun of a disabled person it's the parents job to teach that child that it is not ok to act like that. Why, why does Trump think it's ok? If I saw either of my parents do that (which they NEVER would) I would think I'm in the twilight zone. It's just wrong. So wrong. So, so wrong. There is nothing he can say to make me think he didn't intend to mock that man. It was way too obvious to consider anything else. What kind of adult does that? A despicable one. ALMOST as despicable as the one who told the families of the 4 Americans who died in Benghazi that "We're going to have the filmmaker arrested, who was responsible for these deaths." And then when they said what she told them, called them ALL liars. Despicable. One truly devoid of honorable character and morals.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 22:22:27 GMT
Every time a police shooting happened, he weighed in on it before the facts were known, always coming down on the side of the one that got shot and never the police. He always acknowledges that sometimes cops are bad, but never acknowledges that often, the one in the altercation is the one that is at fault. It wasn't until the last shooting that he ever said we don't know the facts yet. Your response has entirely too many "always" and "nevers," with no specifics, for me to take it remotely seriously. Which is what drives me absolutely bonkers about threads like these. In every high profile case since Trayvon Martin, it has happened. This is one of those cases that ALWAYS and NEVER actually do apply. If you have something that shows otherwise, I'm happy to reword the "offending" words.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 22:25:02 GMT
Your response has entirely too many "always" and "nevers," with no specifics, for me to take it remotely seriously. Which is what drives me absolutely bonkers about threads like these. In every high profile case since Trayvon Martin, it has happened. This is one of those cases that ALWAYS and NEVER actually do apply. If you have something that shows otherwise, I'm happy to reword the "offending" words. The point being that if Trump's rhetoric is responsible for pulling the KKK out from under their rock, Obama's rhetoric bears responsibility for igniting the violence at rallies and protest.
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Post by jayfab on Jul 24, 2016 22:30:42 GMT
In every high profile case since Trayvon Martin, it has happened. This is one of those cases that ALWAYS and NEVER actually do apply. If you have something that shows otherwise, I'm happy to reword the "offending" words. The point being that if Trump's rhetoric is responsible for pulling the KKK out from under their rock, Obama's rhetoric bears responsibility for igniting the violence at rallies and protest. LOL Nope that's on Trump too ... “knock the crap out of them … I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.” The crowd vociferously cheered him on. Our President has NEVER said anything close. He has been trying to calm tempers. SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 22:42:40 GMT
Well, this thread took a turn---again. I just can't wrap my brain around how anyone can think Trump would make even an adequate leader of the United States.
Totally get people dislike Clinton, but she's fairly moderate and doesn't have fascist tendencies. Worst case scenario for Clinton--- we stay stagnant Worst case scenario for Trump--- we become a country unrecognizable. He doesn't respect or understand the constitution or seem to have any kind of real plan for making "America great again." That alone should make any good conservative pause. Vote Johnson. Make a third party viable for the future. Yes, Clinton will win and you will hate her and send all kinds of nasty memes and bitch about her constantly for the next four years, but at least you aren't playing Russian roulette with our country. My take. Trump scares the shit out of me. I completely understand your astonishment on Trump. The thing that astonishes me is that people actually think Hillary is above him in competency, morals, character and decency. Every time someone slams Trump about something specific, there's an equally disgusting specific comparison with Hillary, Obama and even Bill.
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