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Post by sasha on Jul 23, 2016 15:13:06 GMT
Raising awareness through narcissism? I understand the sentiment behind it, but every time I see video after video of pushups, I can't help but think this is more about raising awarenes of the narcissism of the FB poster who wants to show off that they can do 22 pushups.
I feel bad for feeling irritated understanding that there's a cause related to it, but it does irritate me!
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Post by ginacivey on Jul 23, 2016 15:21:29 GMT
what cause is it tied to?
22 real pushups isn't easy
22 modified pushups isn't a walk in the park either
or i'm just an out of shape wimp!
gina
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Post by sasha on Jul 23, 2016 16:47:22 GMT
Veteran's suicides.
I just wish instead of flooding FB with "awareness" videos, they would actually donate to Veteran's causes. (And yes, I do donate!)
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 23, 2016 16:50:27 GMT
So, here's the thing about that kind of clicktivism (or slacktivism, though this is less slacker). It brings awareness. Remember the Ice Bucket Challenge? There was some backlash there, too. People said it was dumb, there were fail videos, people got really annoyed with it. But, it raised over $100 million dollars for ALS research.
So, if this raises awareness and people donate to a worthy cause, I don't really mind that I see a hundred "22 pushup videos" on FB. Because if it saves one life, it's worth it.
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Post by ginacivey on Jul 23, 2016 16:58:56 GMT
now the pushups make sense!
22 to represent daily suicides....
the website says they value all pushups - standard, modified, incline, or even air pushups!
gina
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Post by marimoose on Jul 23, 2016 17:02:47 GMT
So, here's the thing about that kind of clicktivism (or slacktivism, though this is less slacker). It brings awareness. Remember the Ice Bucket Challenge? There was some backlash there, too. People said it was dumb, there were fail videos, people got really annoyed with it. But, it raised over $100 million dollars for ALS research. So, if this raises awareness and people donate to a worthy cause, I don't really mind that I see a hundred "22 pushup videos" on FB. Because if it saves one life, it's worth it. Agreed!
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Post by rockymtnpea on Jul 23, 2016 17:23:52 GMT
I was not aware of this challenge and if I understand the number 22 represents the number of veteran suicides per day??? I don't understand the narcissistic implication though or the showing off aspect. Seeing someone do 22 push-ups is not impressive to me (I hate to say this last part for risk of sounding snarky or worse show off-y) it would simply be part of a daily workout...certainly not challenging. Said from the mouth of a 52 year old woman who is not a super athlete but who does work out. (I plan to be healthy and enjoy my retirement, barring any disease I can't control that may enter my world)
I like this campaign and I guess it is working as I am now aware. 😃
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jul 23, 2016 17:41:04 GMT
I guess it is working as I am now aware. That's true for me, too. I had not heard of it until the OP posted this. If it brings awareness to veterans' suicides, I can't think badly of the campaign.
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Post by CeeScraps on Jul 23, 2016 17:44:54 GMT
We had a teacher in our district work their way through this during the year. Her (yes, it was a female) progress and subsequent success was amazing!
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 23, 2016 18:18:02 GMT
I hadn't heard of it until this thread.
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Post by peasful1 on Jul 23, 2016 18:20:55 GMT
I was not aware of this challenge and if I understand the number 22 represents the number of veteran suicides per day??? I don't understand the narcissistic implication though or the showing off aspect. Seeing someone do 22 push-ups is not impressive to me (I hate to say this last part for risk of sounding snarky or worse show off-y) it would simply be part of a daily workout...certainly not challenging. Said from the mouth of a 52 year old woman who is not a super athlete but who does work out. (I plan to be healthy and enjoy my retirement, barring any disease I can't control that may enter my world) I like this campaign and I guess it is working as I am now aware. 😃 You are correct. It does sound snarky and a little oblivious. Or perhaps more self-involved than oblivious. You really didn't seem to hate saying it at all since you said it.
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Post by Zee on Jul 23, 2016 18:21:04 GMT
Seeing someone do 22 push-ups is not impressive to me (I hate to say this last part for risk of sounding snarky or worse show off-y) Too late
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Jul 23, 2016 18:36:12 GMT
Raising awareness through narcissism? I understand the sentiment behind it, but every time I see video after video of pushups, I can't help but think this is more about raising awarenes of the narcissism of the FB poster who wants to show off that they can do 22 pushups. I feel bad for feeling irritated understanding that there's a cause related to it, but it does irritate me! How can you be irritated when a cute police dog does push-ups, too? www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/18/police-dog-takes-part-in-22-push-ups-challenge-as-part-of-campai/
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Post by eleezybeth on Jul 23, 2016 18:53:36 GMT
I find that too many of the people posting about this cause are the same ones who don't do anything to reduce mental health stigma overall. You want to talk about the Veteran suicide rate? Okay, then talk about mental health treatment, gun control, access to medical care, transitioning services, etc. Do I think that the military in general has came a long way? Yes. Do I think they have a long way to go? Yes. It is more than a number. 22 push-ups means shit when you turn around and say, "Look at that lazy bum begging for money" or "That guy is just dead wood" or if you've ever thought the "hurt feelings report" was funny. Suicide is a final event. Treatment prevents that final event. If you aren't willing to do anything about the treatment then you aren't really doing much to reduce suicide.
Did you know that if you were active duty and died of suicide you DID NOT get a letter from the President thanking them for their service? (This only changed in the last 5 or 6 years). Even if you could directly (i.e. PTSD or depression) tie their suicidality to their service? Did you know that Commander's were allowed to leave any suicide down range OFF of their casualty walls, lists, etc? Do you know how pervasive that level of shaming can harm ANYBODY who is seeking mental health service while wearing a uniform?
You want to be inspired? Do what GEN Chiarelli did after he retired. After lots years of sitting in a chair where every Army suicide was briefed to him (like 800), he changed the way he thought about mental illness and treatment. He soon realized that this was not "a cowards" way out. He now, as a retired general, works to reduce the stigma of treatment. YouTube has a couple videos of him giving speeches about it if you are curious. He was one such commander who left a kids name off the memorial wall. He rectified it.
So if you can give 22 pushups and think you are doing something then get on with your bad self. The organization that started it did it from a good place. They want to raise awareness to suicide. I just wish it would be more about seeking treatment, reducing mental health stigma and increasing access to care. I can't help you when you are dead and if you are willing to die today by your own hand, you and I both know how long you've actually been thinking about it. We missed the opportunity the first time you asked for help "for sleep."
**gingerly steps off soap box while waiting for the Peas to snap, revolt and tell me what a horrible person I am.**
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Post by StephDRebel on Jul 23, 2016 19:00:08 GMT
My sister did it, went all over memorial sites and shared information and facts in each video. I followed it and made an additional donation because if it and I know others do too.
Is a push up going to change the world? Likely not, but honestly neither is griping about it not being enough. It's something and I just don't get the need to piss on someone's efforts because it's not what you think should be done.
A world where no one does anything because they know no matter what it is it won't be 'right' or good enough sounds dreadful.
I vote if you don't like it, don't do it...and don't watch them.
I don't mind it a bit.
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Post by rockymtnpea on Jul 23, 2016 19:08:48 GMT
Peasful1 and Z*G I'll go with you both having a shitastic day today...how is 22 push-ups impressive and why am I oblivious? Are you saying doing 22 push ups is an amazing feat? How? Clue me in? Not seeing it.
Awesome awareness campaign ...yes...the action itself...nope...something people do, shorta like other activities we do in a day....I wasn't wowed that people could dump cold water over their head either. Thought that also was a great campaign as well but didn't think 'wow...someone can actually do that.'
I'll put it to the Peas...can you do a push up and if so how many? Is this an amazing activity to you?
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Post by rockymtnpea on Jul 23, 2016 19:15:15 GMT
And to be clear...I am glad I now know of this campaign.
Like Eleezybeth (is that right?) I expect backlash over my post and how I am a horrible person because somewhere in Peasville someone cannot do a push-up and they now feel bad.
Sorry about that...my intent was not to make folks feel bad. We all have our own issues
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 19:25:11 GMT
Peasful1 and Z*G I'll go with you both having a shitastic day today...how is 22 push-ups impressive and why am I oblivious? Are you saying doing 22 push ups is an amazing feat? How? Clue me in? Not seeing it. Awesome awareness campaign ...yes...the action itself...nope...something people do, shorta like other activities we do in a day....I wasn't wowed that people could dump cold water over their head either. Thought that also was a great campaign as well but didn't think 'wow...someone can actually do that.' I'll put it to the Peas...can you do a push up and if so how many? Is this an amazing activity to you? This whole thing isn't about how many pushups you or anyone else can do. That's how you're oblivious. Save
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Post by rockymtnpea on Jul 23, 2016 20:06:57 GMT
Hmmmm the OP indicated she felt the posters were being narcissistic posting themselves doing push-ups which I read as bragging 'look at me' so I felt it was about the push-ups. So perhaps I am oblivious.
Clearly I understand truly what the campaign is about and am glad she posted so I am educated about it.
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Post by marimoose on Jul 23, 2016 21:27:11 GMT
My sister did it, went all over memorial sites and shared information and facts in each video. I followed it and made an additional donation because if it and I know others do too. Is a push up going to change the world? Likely not, but honestly neither is griping about it not being enough. It's something and I just don't get the need to piss on someone's efforts because it's not what you think should be done. A world where no one does anything because they know no matter what it is it won't be 'right' or good enough sounds dreadful. I vote if you don't like it, don't do it...and don't watch them. I don't mind it a bit. Well said Steph!
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Post by Zee on Jul 23, 2016 21:51:30 GMT
Peasful1 and Z*G I'll go with you both having a shitastic day today...how is 22 push-ups impressive and why am I oblivious? Are you saying doing 22 push ups is an amazing feat? How? Clue me in? Not seeing it. Awesome awareness campaign ...yes...the action itself...nope...something people do, shorta like other activities we do in a day....I wasn't wowed that people could dump cold water over their head either. Thought that also was a great campaign as well but didn't think 'wow...someone can actually do that.' I'll put it to the Peas...can you do a push up and if so how many? Is this an amazing activity to you? It's not about the push ups, it's about your lofty attitude. Go toot your own horn a little more. Make sure you pat yourself on the back every time you do a push up, too. Yes, I can do a pushup. I can do several. I can do lots of things without disparaging others who can't do them. You're kind of sensitive, aren't you? My day so far has been wonderful!
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Post by ginacivey on Jul 23, 2016 21:52:47 GMT
It does sound snarky and a little oblivious not to me i say good for you and it doesn't sound snarky...it sounds like you are in shape i am embarrassed that 22 would be difficult for me maybe i should do 22 every day until they aren't difficult i'm actually editing a session i did for a dear friend with severe PTSD - i can't do much to help him other than be a friend to him and his wife. every little bit helps off to try some push ups gina
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Post by sasha on Jul 23, 2016 22:03:48 GMT
Well, maybe I'm just being my usual cranky self! If in the end, it helps raise money, than the "look at me" aspect is worth it.
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Post by sasha on Jul 23, 2016 22:11:36 GMT
Hmmmm the OP indicated she felt the posters were being narcissistic posting themselves doing push-ups which I read as bragging 'look at me' so I felt it was about the push-ups. So perhaps I am oblivious. Clearly I understand truly what the campaign is about and am glad she posted so I am educated about it. You had it exactly right. I work out and I lift weights but I still struggle with push ups! I don't think I'm in the minority. I know men who are in relatively good shape who would struggle with 22 push ups. But even if I could manage to do 22 push ups, I wouldn't be doing push up videos to "promote awareness." So yeah, I think there's an element of narcissim in the "watch me do 22 push ups" for 22 days. Or at least it does appear in the video's I've watched because most of the time the same ones doing this video are also the same ones that post selfies constantly. But I'm sure there's a lot of good will in there too. I don't mean to suggest that EVERYONE doing it is full of themselves. And if it really does help raise money for vets, then I should just shaddup!
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 23, 2016 22:21:19 GMT
Peasful1 and Z*G I'll go with you both having a shitastic day today...how is 22 push-ups impressive and why am I oblivious? Are you saying doing 22 push ups is an amazing feat? How? Clue me in? Not seeing it. Awesome awareness campaign ...yes...the action itself...nope...something people do, shorta like other activities we do in a day....I wasn't wowed that people could dump cold water over their head either. Thought that also was a great campaign as well but didn't think 'wow...someone can actually do that.' I'll put it to the Peas...can you do a push up and if so how many? Is this an amazing activity to you? I can do push ups. Can you? A REAL chest to the ground, core engaged, body in line, no cheating push up? They're hard. And any time someone gets off their dead ass to do anything like that, I'm impressed. Even better if it draws attention to an important cause.
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Post by sasha on Jul 23, 2016 22:34:08 GMT
Peasful1 and Z*G I'll go with you both having a shitastic day today...how is 22 push-ups impressive and why am I oblivious? Are you saying doing 22 push ups is an amazing feat? How? Clue me in? Not seeing it. Awesome awareness campaign ...yes...the action itself...nope...something people do, shorta like other activities we do in a day....I wasn't wowed that people could dump cold water over their head either. Thought that also was a great campaign as well but didn't think 'wow...someone can actually do that.' I'll put it to the Peas...can you do a push up and if so how many? Is this an amazing activity to you? I can do push ups. Can you? A REAL chest to the ground, core engaged, body in line, no cheating push up? They're hard. And any time someone gets off their dead ass to do anything like that, I'm impressed. Even better if it draws attention to an important cause. I love you SockMonkey. Great perspective.
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