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Post by Nink on Jul 24, 2016 20:24:45 GMT
Not a damned thing but I do think the people who believe it, are the people that Trump is campaigning directly to. When he says make America Great Again, I think he and many of his followers mean get them women back in the kitchen pregnant and barefoot, put them uppity coloreds back in their place and keep those damned Mexicans right where they belong, in Mexico. Seriously as offensive as that sounds to many of us, I have heard pretty much those exact words out of several Trump supporters. I saw this and thought of this. While I don't agree with childish Orangutan pics and such, I think the overall message is accurate. m.youtube.com/watch?v=f1StSwZtHW8
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 24, 2016 21:33:38 GMT
Not a damned thing but I do think the people who believe it, are the people that Trump is campaigning directly to. When he says make America Great Again, I think he and many of his followers mean get them women back in the kitchen pregnant and barefoot, put them uppity coloreds back in their place and keep those damned Mexicans right where they belong, in Mexico. Seriously as offensive as that sounds to many of us, I have heard pretty much those exact words out of several Trump supporters. Yup. Unfortunately. I see remarks on my local tv's Facebook that make my jaw drop. It scares me that so many think like that and are walking amongst me. They reveal their true faces behind the computer screen. SaveSaveFacebook commenters are freaking TERRIFYING. The craziest thing is that it's not like YouTube commenters who have a screen name. Most of these people's REAL names are attached to the crazy pants stuff they post. It's insane.
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Post by ntsf on Jul 24, 2016 23:04:37 GMT
it always strikes me..as a person who would say that is not a student of history...or maybe only one kind of "history"... white men.
there are no "good old days".
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 24, 2016 23:25:54 GMT
What does it mean to make it great AGAIN - what things have to change, presumably back to the way they 'used to be' since the word AGAIN makes it clear that there are things that used to take place but no longer do, hence the loss of greatness. Without reading any of the comments so far.... I heard this explanation recently at the RNC convention that totally sums it up for me. Paraphrasing, it was along the lines of "Let's make it possible to dream again." To give one example of what that means, let's make it easier for families to create small businesses that will support them. It has nothing to do with what race or socioeconomic class you're in. It has everything to do with what is possible - what you believe is possible - to achieve in this country.
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Post by beebee on Jul 24, 2016 23:37:32 GMT
Well I will go into a different direction. I would like this country to quit operating at such a deficit. It scares me. I really don't want to see us end up like Greece.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 23:43:21 GMT
It's interesting how much of our experiences we bring to our comprehension.
I've always seen it as "bring us back to a level where we are respected by the people who do business with us." I hear a foreign affairs slogan, a way of regaining our power in negotiating treaties and deals and in the way countries used to fear bringing the wrath of the U.S. military down on themselves. Our reputation is not what it used to be in those areas, and in terms of leadership, that's not a good thing.
Mother Nature does not tolerate vacuums. If we aren't going to lead, another country or entity will, and right now ISIS is grappling for that role.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Jul 24, 2016 23:53:28 GMT
I'm with leftturnonly and @formerlytravelagent. It's not about putting women back in the kitchen or putting those colored folk in there place. It's about taking this country back to when the laws were upheld, small businesses could be a reality, we were respected in the world and we didn't have a group that wanted to kill as so bad. The things we have accomplished - women's rights, civil rights, gay rights are all wonderful things. I am not thinking that Trump and those that support him want to reverse that. I know I don't. I support Trump and will be voting for him in the election.
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Post by jayfab on Jul 25, 2016 0:01:21 GMT
I'm with leftturnonly and @formerlytravelagent . It's not about putting women back in the kitchen or putting those colored folk in there place. It's about taking this country back to when the laws were upheld, small businesses could be a reality, we were respected in the world and we didn't have a group that wanted to kill as so bad. The things we have accomplished - women's rights, civil rights, gay rights are all wonderful things. I am not thinking that Trump and those that support him want to reverse that. I know I don't. I support Trump and will be voting for him in the election. Unfortunately I believe they do want to reverse rights. Reading the 2016 Republican party platform was very disheartening. SaveSave
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Post by txdancermom on Jul 25, 2016 0:01:25 GMT
the phrase bugs me. imho America is a great. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. However, there are things that can be improved - less partisanship, less thinking that someone is bad and evil because they believe/belong to/worship etc. differently than you do. The diversity is what makes our country great. we all need to embrace each other's differences and find a way to get along.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 0:03:38 GMT
I'm with leftturnonly and @formerlytravelagent . It's not about putting women back in the kitchen or putting those colored folk in there place. It's about taking this country back to when the laws were upheld, small businesses could be a reality, we were respected in the world and we didn't have a group that wanted to kill as so bad. The things we have accomplished - women's rights, civil rights, gay rights are all wonderful things. I am not thinking that Trump and those that support him want to reverse that. I know I don't. I support Trump and will be voting for him in the election. I'm sitting right next to you, leftturnonly and @formerlytravelagent. You all stated perfectly what I was struggling to say.
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Post by lisae on Jul 25, 2016 0:06:17 GMT
Like freecharlie said, I think the 90's were pretty great in general and a great time in my life. However the problem with nostalgia is you want to pick and choose. I'd love to be earning the interest rate we had back then (of course at the time I borrowed money for a house and paid for more than I would pay today) and have the abundance of jobs in our area. But I would be lost without the Internet and all the things I have with a click of a mouse.
And then there is medical improvements. My mother has these eye treatments for a problem she developed that have only been available for a few years. If her condition had happened in the 90's there would have been nothing they could do and she would have gone blind in one eye.
We can't go backward and we don't need to. We need to improve some things. America is still a great place to be. Why else would so many people want to come here to live?
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Post by Nink on Jul 25, 2016 0:19:01 GMT
I've always seen it as "bring us back to a level where we are respected by the people who do business with us." I hear a foreign affairs slogan, a way of regaining our power in negotiating treaties and deals and in the way countries used to fear bringing the wrath of the U.S. military down on themselves. Our reputation is not what it used to be in those areas, and in terms of leadership, that's not a good thing. And this is why I find it funny that this is a slogan for Trump's campaign. I don't think he's capable of any of those things. He's too arrogant and temperamental. While I don't know who I'll be voting for, I know it won't be Trump for this very reason. This election is like having everyone blow a 3.0 on the breathalyzer and still having to choose which one is going to drive you home.
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Post by moodyblue on Jul 25, 2016 0:36:09 GMT
I think the slogan implies that America is not so great now, and it comes across as pretty negative.
Every time Trump says that or proclaims how much we are going to "win so big" I think how incredibly arrogant he seems - as well as naive or delusional. Winning implies others are losing, and I also think that isn't going to go over so well in the rest of the world.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jul 25, 2016 0:48:33 GMT
It make me think... You can't go home again.
People are harking back to a time that did not exist.
Our country is great. But not the greatest. Every country has things that make it great to the people that live there.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 25, 2016 1:08:15 GMT
Nothing...means nothing.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jul 25, 2016 1:20:30 GMT
Here's the deal. No matter what you read into it; the basic inference you take away is that America is not great now but it was in the past.
I think it's a piss poor way of looking at things. It's very "half empty."
Every generation/decade has had its difficulties. My parents owned a small business in be 80's. It was rough. They peaked in the early 2000's. My parents also bought a house in the early 80's. I think it was around 12% interest rate. In the 80's we were worried Japan was taking over.
We have always had enemies who wanted to destroy us. World wars, cold wars, terrorist groups.
And, simply, we cannot go back. I don't think there is a vacuum. I think we are still in there but with a global economy and our interconnected world, we will never look the way we did. We can't bring back the 1950's or 90's or whatever in a new millennium. We can look forward and be innovative and creative and find new ways to grow our economy but trying to "bring it back" is futile and harmful imo.
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Post by suzastampin on Jul 25, 2016 1:24:20 GMT
The phrase pisses me off. We are already a great country and have always been a great country.
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Post by pyccku on Jul 25, 2016 1:38:38 GMT
I'm with leftturnonly and @formerlytravelagent . It's not about putting women back in the kitchen or putting those colored folk in there place. It's about taking this country back to when the laws were upheld, small businesses could be a reality, we were respected in the world and we didn't have a group that wanted to kill as so bad. The things we have accomplished - women's rights, civil rights, gay rights are all wonderful things. I am not thinking that Trump and those that support him want to reverse that. I know I don't. I support Trump and will be voting for him in the election. Just curious as to which laws you think are not currently upheld? We have a higher number of people incarcerated than ever before. It's the highest rate in the world. Obviously there are some laws being upheld, but which ones should we focus on that we aren't currently enforcing? Small businesses - the number of small businesses being formed each year has definitely declined. From what I can find, it seems that the high student loan debt keeps many people from starting a business (they can't get loans, due to their student loan debt). Young people are also scared that if the business were to fail, they wouldn't be able to find work - so people are scared to take the plunge. What do you think we should do to encourage these people to go into business? I am a small business owner myself, but my business is in addition to a FT job - and it didn't take much of an investment to get started. Even so, most businesses do fail within 5 years so that would definitely be a concern for a person just starting out with nothing but debt. Save
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Post by Merge on Jul 25, 2016 11:30:49 GMT
Still one of my favorite TV moments of all time. m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zabb3fxGTPkThe character agrees with Trump that the US is not the greatest country in the world, but he has a very different idea of what greatness is, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 12:02:15 GMT
What does it mean to make it great AGAIN - what things have to change, presumably back to the way they 'used to be' since the word AGAIN makes it clear that there are things that used to take place but no longer do, hence the loss of greatness. Without reading any of the comments so far.... I heard this explanation recently at the RNC convention that totally sums it up for me. Paraphrasing, it was along the lines of "Let's make it possible to dream again." To give one example of what that means, let's make it easier for families to create small businesses that will support them. It has nothing to do with what race or socioeconomic class you're in. It has everything to do with what is possible - what you believe is possible - to achieve in this country. I could accept that IF Trump specified that he would tax larger corporations in favor of giving small businesses a break. IF Americans were willing to pay higher prices for goods, for American made goods. But then wouldn't they need higher wages to do that, you know raising the minimum wage. I definitely agree that there was a time when America actually MADE products, not outsourced it. But I think a deeper look is required to see why that does not happen anymore. It isn't just the fault of China. Would the American people really be willing to pay more for goods to make America great again. I am not so sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 12:08:40 GMT
It's interesting how much of our experiences we bring to our comprehension. I've always seen it as "bring us back to a level where we are respected by the people who do business with us." I hear a foreign affairs slogan, a way of regaining our power in negotiating treaties and deals and in the way countries used to fear bringing the wrath of the U.S. military down on themselves. Our reputation is not what it used to be in those areas, and in terms of leadership, that's not a good thing. Mother Nature does not tolerate vacuums. If we aren't going to lead, another country or entity will, and right now ISIS is grappling for that role. Again, I could understand this line of thinking IF Trump had been more diplomatic in his approach rather than "if you want America to stand by you, defend you, you are going to have to pay for it". Kind of sounds like an extortionist thug. Giving the middle finger to the rest of the world does not bring respect. IMO, being isolationist is not the way to battle ISIS. I think we need to stand alongside our allies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 12:11:54 GMT
This election is like having everyone blow a 3.0 on the breathalyzer and still having to choose which one is going to drive you home. THIS is the MOST accurate description of this election I have yet to see!!!!!!!!!
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 25, 2016 12:22:13 GMT
Without reading any of the comments so far.... I heard this explanation recently at the RNC convention that totally sums it up for me. Paraphrasing, it was along the lines of "Let's make it possible to dream again." To give one example of what that means, let's make it easier for families to create small businesses that will support them. It has nothing to do with what race or socioeconomic class you're in. It has everything to do with what is possible - what you believe is possible - to achieve in this country. I could accept that IF Trump specified that he would tax larger corporations in favor of giving small businesses a break. IF Americans were willing to pay higher prices for goods, for American made goods. But then wouldn't they need higher wages to do that, you know raising the minimum wage. I definitely agree that there was a time when America actually MADE products, not outsourced it. But I think a deeper look is required to see why that does not happen anymore. It isn't just the fault of China. Would the American people really be willing to pay more for goods to make America great again. I am not so sure. My answer was personal, as the question asked. Not sure why you can't accept that because of Trump, but OK I guess.
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Post by katieanna on Jul 25, 2016 14:34:14 GMT
I'm with leftturnonly and @formerlytravelagent. It's not about putting women back in the kitchen or putting those colored folk in there place. It's about taking this country back to when the laws were upheld, small businesses could be a reality, we were respected in the world and we didn't have a group that wanted to kill as so bad. I couldn't agree more. America has lost something integral to its foundation (not sure if that's the word I'm looking for). It's obvious that America is not the world leader it once was in education and in industry, not to mention that we no longer have the sense of security that we once had. I'm speaking in general terms as I'm sure not every single citizen may view it the same way...but for many of those who have been victims or know people who've been victims of crimes, terror, loss of jobs, benefits, income and our young people who graduate from college - wallowing in debt and struggling in low-paying jobs - you better believe, America doesn't seem as great as it had to their parents' or grandparents' generations.
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Post by katieanna on Jul 25, 2016 14:35:09 GMT
This election is like having everyone blow a 3.0 on the breathalyzer and still having to choose which one is going to drive you home. THIS is the MOST accurate description of this election I have yet to see!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 18:55:54 GMT
I could accept that IF Trump specified that he would tax larger corporations in favor of giving small businesses a break. IF Americans were willing to pay higher prices for goods, for American made goods. But then wouldn't they need higher wages to do that, you know raising the minimum wage. I definitely agree that there was a time when America actually MADE products, not outsourced it. But I think a deeper look is required to see why that does not happen anymore. It isn't just the fault of China. Would the American people really be willing to pay more for goods to make America great again. I am not so sure. My answer was personal, as the question asked. Not sure why you can't accept that because of Trump, but OK I guess. I was responding to other's comments within the thread. Is that not allowed? I suppose I need to read updated thread rules.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 25, 2016 18:58:08 GMT
THIS is the MOST accurate description of this election I have yet to see!!!!!!!!! Yeah, except in my mind one candidate at least knows how to drive a car. The other one just knows what a car looks like from the outside. SaveSave
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 25, 2016 19:22:04 GMT
Well, I take issue with the whole phrase, because I think it speaks to a nostalgia for times that were maybe great for some people (white men), but not great for others. I like, "Make America Better Together" instead. Because, we can always improve, but I think we need to do it together, inclusively, with respect for the diversity that is what makes this country "great." Sock for President!!
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 25, 2016 19:25:27 GMT
Making American great again is a slogan that doesn't really work for me, either (a republican). To make America better I'd love to see less divisiveness. Less "us" vs "them" no matter what groups we are discussing - blacks and police, republicans and democrats, the 1% vs the 99%... Seems everything is groups against each other and it tears us down as a country and doesn't accomplish anything. And Polka for VP!!
For me, America won't be great until the violence stops.
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 25, 2016 19:36:46 GMT
It's interesting how much of our experiences we bring to our comprehension. I've always seen it as "bring us back to a level where we are respected by the people who do business with us." I hear a foreign affairs slogan, a way of regaining our power in negotiating treaties and deals and in the way countries used to fear bringing the wrath of the U.S. military down on themselves. Our reputation is not what it used to be in those areas, and in terms of leadership, that's not a good thing. Mother Nature does not tolerate vacuums. If we aren't going to lead, another country or entity will, and right now ISIS is grappling for that role. Secretary of State right here
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