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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:23:41 GMT
I wonder what your thoughts are on this, peas...
I'm just wondering if a time is coming (if it hasn't already) when securing a place on a Design Team will be dependant on an applicant's popularity on social media - perhaps especially youtube.
Will great scrapbookers be overlooked if they're not into self-promotion and being 'out there'?
Any thoughts? xxx
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Post by needtime2scrap on Aug 13, 2016 17:26:00 GMT
In a word...yes.
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Post by JustTricia on Aug 13, 2016 17:30:02 GMT
I don't think YouTube is it especially. I would lean more towards Instagram at the moment.
But, yes, I think a following is necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 17:57:45 GMT
Seems a shame to me. I mean, I do get it - the companies want to sell their stuff, after all - but I wonder what the knock-on effects are. It reminds me a bit of the feeling I got at school, where the shy kids were sort of forgotten while the noisier ones got more attention. That said, you don't need to be especially extraverted to put pics on Instagram.
I'm not coming from a place of personal dissatisfaction... more a concern about the future; where we'll need to go to see really excellent work... and fresh work from newcomers too. I guess that was the awesome thing about the original TwoPeas? (I got into this thing just as TwoPeas closed, so I'm only guessing on that one, based on their youtube channel)
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Post by freckledfawn on Aug 13, 2016 18:00:24 GMT
Not all manufacturers choose designers based off a large social media following. For example, when we choose our creative team members that does weigh in as a bonus but I'm looking for talented crafters that create beautiful projects and can photograph their creations well. It's not their job to market the product, that's our job. While it may be a benefit to us, I don't require them to run around posting about us all the time. Their job is to create with our products and inspire others to create.
Don't feel discouraged if you don't have a large following. Keep using your favorite products in your creations and tag manufacturers when applicable. I have an eye of a few ladies who continually tag us on their projects on Instagram for example. I love all their projects and that's more important to me than their social media numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 18:04:43 GMT
That's a lovely response, freckledfawn, thanks for that! xx
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Post by KikiPea on Aug 13, 2016 18:38:43 GMT
It already is. I wanted to submit for one, but you needed to have a blog. I have absolutely no interest in keeping up with a blog, especially since no one knows me. I would have too few followers for it to do them any good. Oh well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 18:42:03 GMT
It's been that way for quite awhile. I'm too lazy to self promote  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 18:45:50 GMT
That's a shame, KikiPea  On a separate note, I wonder if age can come into the choice too? Though I guess that would depend on who you're trying to market your products to. |
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Post by paperpilekitten on Aug 13, 2016 19:11:14 GMT
I think it depends on the manufacturer. With the large brands, you need to be prepared to post on social media. I don't believe you need a large following on social media to qualify as a DT member, though. But you will increase your social media following if you get on a major brand DT. So it's a give and take thing.  |
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Post by kitbop on Aug 13, 2016 19:17:19 GMT
Yup. Has been like this for a while.
It's not that the people getting selected aren't deserving. It's as freckled fawn said...it's a "bonus"...so when equally talented designers compete, those with social media presence win out.
I think it should be this way honestly. I enjoy following blogs and youtubers. Scrapbooking will not survive if we're not visible.
I personally just don't have the time necessary to keep up or self-promote, so I don't bother applying to anything anymore.
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Post by paperpilekitten on Aug 13, 2016 19:23:15 GMT
It already is. I wanted to submit for one, but you needed to have a blog. I have absolutely no interest in keeping up with a blog, especially since no one knows me. I would have too few followers for it to do them any good. Oh well. I'm surprised. Very few are following blogs these days, compared to how it used to be. An Instagram account should be more important? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 19:25:52 GMT
That's interesting, because I've had the feeling that youtube is the appealing one to companies?
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Post by papersilly on Aug 13, 2016 19:49:20 GMT
I think it's an important component. Companies want their products out there and social media is a big way to do it. A blogger with no followers means the product goes nowhere. Followers is like free advertisement to companies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 19:55:20 GMT
Yup. Has been like this for a while. It's not that the people getting selected aren't deserving. It's as freckled fawn said...it's a "bonus"...so when equally talented designers compete, those with social media presence win out. I think it should be this way honestly. I enjoy following blogs and youtubers. Scrapbooking will not survive if we're not visible. I personally just don't have the time necessary to keep up or self-promote, so I don't bother applying to anything anymore. Yes, the people on teams are very deserving. Because they're the reason my wallet is empty! The whole point of having a following is because you're promoting a brand and if you have low hits/follows/etc versus someone with high hits, well they are obviously reaching more potential customers. I had a bit of a following 10 years ago but after my divorce, I lost what little I had (wish I knew how to market "starting over" like Ali). I've submitted to a few teams recently but I have low followers and NO intentions of doing YouTube. I don't watch it, I won't video myself. And that won't change. A) I don't enjoy watching someone else scrapbook. Just post a picture. And b) I live in a rural area with very limited internet. I just tried for one more team and if I don't make I'm hanging up my hat. I'll just stick to what I'm good at--buying! |
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Post by paperpilekitten on Aug 13, 2016 19:55:37 GMT
That's interesting, because I've had the feeling that youtube is the appealing one to companies? It is. But I haven't seen it posted as a requirement, more like a bonus. Making great videos is not an easy task, and what's more, it takes a lot of time and knowledge in editing etc. plus equipment such as lighting, software, etc. Requiring YouTube videos from DT members would be a unreasonable, in my personal opinion. Instagram has more reach and you can easily post short videos shot with your phone (such as unboxing kits or showing products) that do not require the same kind of knowledge and equipment as the longer YouTube videos. I guess? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 20:16:30 GMT
Do people think there's space for some sort of forum where new and upcoming scrapbookers can showcase their work without necessarily catching people's eye by having the whole package on Instagram or being good at self-promotion? In most creative fields, there seems to be a place for a 'fresh talent' type of showcase. I guess these days (man, I sound old) it is all about hashtags and getting noticed that way. I just wonder how the newbies get discovered if the DT places are going to all the ladies with the biggest followings. That said, both the teams I'm on are brilliant at giving newbies a shot - I had next to no following at all when Felicity Jane accepted me. |
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Post by LisaDV on Aug 13, 2016 20:43:58 GMT
It already is. I wanted to submit for one, but you needed to have a blog. I have absolutely no interest in keeping up with a blog, especially since no one knows me. I would have too few followers for it to do them any good. Oh well. I'd follow you! |
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Post by KikiPea on Aug 13, 2016 21:04:29 GMT
It already is. I wanted to submit for one, but you needed to have a blog. I have absolutely no interest in keeping up with a blog, especially since no one knows me. I would have too few followers for it to do them any good. Oh well. I'd follow you! Awwww thank you.   |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 21:31:30 GMT
Do people think there's space for some sort of forum where new and upcoming scrapbookers can showcase their work without necessarily catching people's eye by having the whole package on Instagram or being good at self-promotion? In most creative fields, there seems to be a place for a 'fresh talent' type of showcase. I guess these days (man, I sound old) it is all about hashtags and getting noticed that way. I just wonder how the newbies get discovered if the DT places are going to all the ladies with the biggest followings. That said, both the teams I'm on are brilliant at giving newbies a shot - I had next to no following at all when Felicity Jane accepted me. That brings to mind the old "pub" board at the old 2peas and it was nauseating. And no one ever wanted to share their work in case it got picked up by a magazine. It fed right into the idea of "celebrity scrapbookers" (many of whom got their start there). And it wasn't about scrapbooking. It was about being popular. And now, guess what? No magazines left. Did we as a group of women desiring fame shut down the entire magazine industry? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 21:41:31 GMT
What was the pub board then? Eek.
It does make me wonder why it can't just be about being a good scrapbooker... it's a shame if there's this idea that to do well in this thing you need to look a certain way, buy certain products or have this beautiful lifestyle or whatever.
It seems sad to say, but in all honesty, if I were giving advice to a young scrapbooker who wanted to get on a team, 'practising your craft' would come quite a way lower down the list than, 'get out there, present your best you and get yourself noticed.'
I guess this is just the way with many things these days though... (sounding old again!)
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 13, 2016 22:03:47 GMT
It's always been a bit disheartening to have to be "super popular", even though it's obvious you're on the team to sell stuff. I know I'm in the minority, but I'd rather not be on Facebook and Snapchat and IG and Youtube and a blog see all the same stuff. I like IG (pre-algorithm) to be able to follow people I like as it's quick and easy. Facebook is a freaking nightmare of popularity contests and I avoid it completely. Videos are also not my favorite, not necessarily Youtube, just in general. I don't need someone to talk me through it, I prefer quickie photos / walk through for something and done. I know a lot of people enjoy the video aspect though.
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Post by bethquiroz on Aug 13, 2016 22:40:20 GMT
I wonder what your thoughts are on this, peas... I'm just wondering if a time is coming (if it hasn't already) when securing a place on a Design Team will be dependant on an applicant's popularity on social media - perhaps especially youtube. Will great scrapbookers be overlooked if they're not into self-promotion and being 'out there'? Any thoughts? xxx I'd really like to know this secret - because I've applied for design teams before & have never been accepted. So frustrating! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 22:47:42 GMT
I'm certain there are loads of factors... I've applied before and not made it - it would be great to hear why (or would my self-esteem be up to it? Ha ha) It would be a shame if the day came when two scrapbookers went for a position - one better than the other, but one with a significantly bigger following - and the popular girl got it. Gosh, sounds like a case of sour grapes or something and I promise it's not! It's more that as I move through my forties and see the young twenty somethings starting out, it strikes me as a shame that social media image seems to be becoming more valuable than skill. Now I'm sounding mean... don't mean to be! I think I'll go to bed  xx |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 13, 2016 23:16:15 GMT
It already is. I wanted to submit for one, but you needed to have a blog. I have absolutely no interest in keeping up with a blog, especially since no one knows me. I would have too few followers for it to do them any good. Oh well. This is me, too. I'd been on a few different DTs years ago but doubt very much I'd get picked up by anyone now no matter how nice my work is because I don't have a blog or really any presence on social media. Virtually every DT out there requires applicants to have a blog, FB page, Instagram and/or Pinterest, etc. |
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Post by mom on Aug 13, 2016 23:30:57 GMT
I don't know if DT members have to have a large Youtube following or not - but i know for me, I wanted to apply to FJ a couple of weeks ago and didn't. I didnt figure I had a chance with no you-tube following.
I do think there is a ton of talent being missed out on, because of the feeling that social media is the be-all, end-all.
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Post by msliz on Aug 13, 2016 23:38:04 GMT
Is IG more popular than Pinterest with scrapbookers? (I don't have an IG account, so I don't know what I'm missing )
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 14, 2016 0:02:31 GMT
It already is. I wanted to submit for one, but you needed to have a blog. I have absolutely no interest in keeping up with a blog, especially since no one knows me. I would have too few followers for it to do them any good. Oh well. I'd follow you! Me too! |
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Aug 14, 2016 1:35:40 GMT
Gosh, sounds like a case of sour grapes or something and I promise it's not! It's more that as I move through my forties and see the young twenty somethings starting out, it strikes me as a shame that social media image seems to be becoming more valuable than skill. Now I'm sounding mean... don't mean to be! I don't think it's sour grapes I think it's just how business operates. I've seen plenty of examples where people who do great work in their real world jobs are passed over for promotions or other opportunities because someone who can talk the talk is the one who is noticed. I think this is an interesting question, and I certainly don't have the answer. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Aug 14, 2016 1:54:17 GMT
Is IG more popular than Pinterest with scrapbookers? (I don't have an IG account, so I don't know what I'm missing ) I go to Pinterest for planning ideas for food, parties, trips... Not scrapbook inspiration. I'm sure it's useful for hat and I have some SB pins, but that's mostly things I saw on a blog or something. IG is quick and easy, minus the algorithm and the new video thing. |
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