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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 20:48:05 GMT
According to the "latest," GF was not invited, and Mark Cuban will be sitting several rows back. jamh His immature ass oughta be sittin' outside. It would be so nice to see a debate with no audience, a moderator who actually knows how to moderate, and candidates who will stick to debate decorum.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Sept 25, 2016 20:48:53 GMT
Is it really shaming people who identify themselves as white supremacists to call them deplorable? Just because they have the right to be white supremacists doesn't give them a pass on the deplorable issue. They're still deplorable.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 25, 2016 20:49:03 GMT
You're just as despicable as he is if you believe that.He makes every day calculated choices to do the terrible things he says. DAILY. He is outright offensive.
It's such a shame that you are so blind that you cannot see it.
Mark Cuban is a supporter of Clinton. (Used to be behind trump until he saw how bat shit crazy dangerous the man is). Mark Cuban is a very well respected businessman.
Gennifer Flowers claim to fame is that she fucked Bill Clinton. Trump is using her to try to humiliate Hillary.
If you cannot see that huge difference in actions, then you are Worse off than I thought. Having a different opinion than you do, makes me despicable? Why am I not surprised. Once again you take what is said and apply it to/twist a different statement. I applied it to all the terrible despicable things he says. If you think the offensive and deplorable things he says daily are okay, and you support that then, yes, you're as despicable as he is. So...since you answered the way you did and YOU put yourself there, and the shoe fits...I'll leave it up to you where you fit. It's not just a matter of opinion. If you're ingrained that his actions and comments--deplorable, disgusting, racist, xenophobic, degrading and bullying and are all over supporting that--when it has nothing to do with the platform, party, or facts, it's no longer just a difference of opinion. It reeks on your character and one that is of "the basket".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 20:52:41 GMT
The point was that Hillary tried to shamed the people she wants to lead, for believing differently than she does and supporting him. Whatever their reason. Once again. Hillary was talking about supporters who are part of "alt right" some who want to push their agenda of eugenics. These individuals see Trump as their spokesperson and if he is elected president he is their avenue to bring eugenics to the mainstream. That doesn't mean that he will do what they say/want anymore than a terrorist's father/America hater supporting Clinton means that she hates America and will follow the lead of terrorists. For believing differently than she does. You left that part out. Differently than she does. As in, not aligning with her policies, see her that she's incompetent, careless and such and therefore not voting for her. And thanks for attempting to align me with eugenics in a round about, plausible deniability, sort of underhanded way. It just proves my point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 20:59:17 GMT
Is it really shaming people who identify themselves as white supremacists to call them deplorable? Just because they have the right to be white supremacists doesn't give them a pass on the deplorable issue. They're still deplorable. Agreed. But I was talking about the people who get lumped in the same basket as them because they believe immigrants should follow the laws to enter the country, because they believe vetting should be better than we're being warned that it is before we let the threat of ISIS into our country and all of the parameters like those that get them labeled as racists/xenopobes/deplorables, etc.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 25, 2016 21:01:10 GMT
Hillary Clinton is a saint, said no one ever. Donald Trump, however, is in no way fit to serve as president. He is a danger to the Republic. That is my Constitutionally-protected (for now) opinion.
ETA also the opinion of numerous Republican statesmen and conservative-leaning newspapers. I'm not making this stuff up, folks.
Sorry, I don't know how to turn off the italics!!
And my opinion is that HRC is in no way fit to serve as President and is dangerous. Perhaps not in the same way as Trump is dangerous (immaturity, running his mouth, ego) but she's proven that she cannot be trusted to correctly handle the kind of information she had access to as SOS. And when questioned...she chooses to either simply lie or play dumb. Neither are redeeming qualities of someone who is fit to serve as Commander in Chief. And you are completely entitled to your opinion. I was responding to your statement that Hillary supporters think she's a saint. No, we don't (at least, the vast majority of us don't), and that's a matter of fact, not opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 21:05:48 GMT
Having a different opinion than you do, makes me despicable? Why am I not surprised. Once again you take what is said and apply it to/twist a different statement. I applied it to all the terrible despicable things he says. If you think the offensive and deplorable things he says daily are okay, and you support that then, yes, you're as despicable as he is.
So...since you answered the way you did and YOU put yourself there, and the shoe fits...I'll leave it up to you where you fit. It's not just a matter of opinion. If you're ingrained that his actions and comments--deplorable, disgusting, racist, xenophobic, degrading and bullying and are all over supporting that--when it has nothing to do with the platform, party, or facts, it's no longer just a difference of opinion. It reeks on your character and one that is of "the basket". Wow! Talk about twisting what I said. Where in the hell did you ever see me say the offensive deplorable things he says are okay and that I support them? You've been hammering at me for months now and way too often it's with your mangled twisted version of what I ACTUALLY said. You're starting to remind me of foolana and her antics.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 25, 2016 21:07:13 GMT
I don't care what kind of math anyone is using to blast or defend that stupid basket of deplorables statement. It's really a shame that she ever said it. She didn't need to, and she just sunk herself a bit down towards his level. And that was my entire point when I said: And people wanted to dismiss that point in favor of "the math", which is absurd. Does it really make her attempt to shame Americans any better? No. No, it does not. And again with the special standards for Hillary. Where was your outrage when Mitt Romney spoke of the 47% who are a permanent class of takers? When Ronald Reagan talked about welfare queens and big bucks? Hugely insulting (and unsubstantiated) claims. But Hillary talks about self-proclaimed racists and you have a fit about her insulting all Americans.
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Post by vspindler on Sept 25, 2016 21:10:21 GMT
Trump is far more suited for the Jerry Springer Show than he is to be President of anything, especially POTUS! There we have it folks, the perfect moderator for the debates! And there'd be extra security-Steve! Steve! Steve!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 21:16:14 GMT
And that was my entire point when I said: And people wanted to dismiss that point in favor of "the math", which is absurd. Does it really make her attempt to shame Americans any better? No. No, it does not. And again with the special standards for Hillary. Where was your outrage when Mitt Romney spoke of the 47% who are a permanent class of takers? When Ronald Reagan talked about welfare queens and big bucks? Hugely insulting (and unsubstantiated) claims. But Hillary talks about self-proclaimed racists and you have a fit about her insulting all Americans. Since I wasn't involved in the Mitt discussion here or around for the Reagan discussion (no one was) they aren't even plausible proof of the claim of me holding her to a different standard. In fact I don't hold her to a different standard. I was comparing her shaming people to his shaming of her. Same standard. That was the point. That's always been my point.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 25, 2016 21:18:53 GMT
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 25, 2016 21:20:06 GMT
I wouldn't typically defend Donald Trump, but my understanding is that Hillary Clinton first invited Mark Cuban. They did. I don't think inviting the candidate's husband's past mistress is in the same league. This is Gutterball. It's entirely the same league.
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Post by jamh on Sept 25, 2016 21:28:15 GMT
According to the "latest," GF was not invited, and Mark Cuban will be sitting several rows back. jamh His immature ass oughta be sittin' outside. It would be so nice to see a debate with no audience, a moderator who actually knows how to moderate, and candidates who will stick to debate decorum. I completely agree with this last sentence!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 25, 2016 21:41:07 GMT
Once again you take what is said and apply it to/twist a different statement. I applied it to all the terrible despicable things he says. If you think the offensive and deplorable things he says daily are okay, and you support that then, yes, you're as despicable as he is.
So...since you answered the way you did and YOU put yourself there, and the shoe fits...I'll leave it up to you where you fit. It's not just a matter of opinion. If you're ingrained that his actions and comments--deplorable, disgusting, racist, xenophobic, degrading and bullying and are all over supporting that--when it has nothing to do with the platform, party, or facts, it's no longer just a difference of opinion. It reeks on your character and one that is of "the basket". Wow! Talk about twisting what I said. Where in the hell did you ever see me say the offensive deplorable things he says are okay and that I support them? You've been hammering at me for months now and way too often it's with your mangled twisted version of what I ACTUALLY said. You're starting to remind me of foolana and her antics. Nope. You are wrong. I'm not the only one who calls you out for the twisted version. And you are the one who said "different opinion" which evident by your posts, you defend Trump a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 21:48:39 GMT
Wow! Talk about twisting what I said. Where in the hell did you ever see me say the offensive deplorable things he says are okay and that I support them? You've been hammering at me for months now and way too often it's with your mangled twisted version of what I ACTUALLY said. You're starting to remind me of foolana and her antics. Nope. You are wrong. I'm not the only one who calls you out for the twisted version. And you are the one who said "different opinion" which evident by your posts, you defend Trump a lot. Soooo, that's a "no"? you can't point to where I said the offensive deplorable things he says are okay? Then stop making yourself look like foolana.
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Post by elaine on Sept 26, 2016 0:16:08 GMT
Now, THIS is a statement that insults 50.8% of Americans.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 0:53:20 GMT
I don't care what kind of math anyone is using to blast or defend that stupid basket of deplorables statement. It's really a shame that she ever said it. She didn't need to, and she just sunk herself a bit down towards his level. And that was my entire point when I said:And people wanted to dismiss that point in favor of "the math", which is absurd. Does it really make her attempt to shame Americans any better? No. No, it does not.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2016 1:12:21 GMT
Nope. You are wrong. I'm not the only one who calls you out for the twisted version. And you are the one who said "different opinion" which evident by your posts, you defend Trump a lot. Soooo, that's a "no"? you can't point to where I said the offensive deplorable things he says are okay? Then stop making yourself look like foolana. Stop making yourself a complete @ass and read my post again. You've managed to dissect it and comment on parts of it, as you often do. You pick apart the things you wish just to come to your "end result" predetermined answer.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2016 3:24:26 GMT
Yes, he's still a much bigger liar...
The weekend America's newspapers called Donald Trump a liar By Brian Stelter September 25, 2016 20:38PM EDT On the weekend leading up to 2016's first presidential debate, four news organizations came to a similar and sweeping conclusion: Donald Trump lies more often than Hillary Clinton. In a normal election year this would be extraordinary. On Sunday editors and reporters at the newsrooms used another word: necessary. The New York Times story ā "A Week of Whoppers" ā came out first on Saturday. Politico, The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times all followed within hours.
Several of the editors who were involved said the timing was a coincidence. But there was clearly a desire to publish stories before Monday's debate, when Trump and Clinton's truthfulness will surely be at issue. "Never in modern presidential politics has a major candidate made false statements as routinely as Trump has," the L.A. Times declared on page one of Sunday's paper. Politico Magazine's team analyzed every statement made by both Trump and Clinton for five days and said "the conclusion is inescapable: Trump's mishandling of facts and propensity for exaggeration so greatly exceed Clinton's as to make the comparison almost ludicrous." The words "almost ludicrous" ricocheted around Twitter. Politico found that Trump averaged "one falsehood every three minutes and 15 seconds over nearly five hours of remarks" while Clinton averaged one falsehood every twelve minutes. Overall, the news outlet counted 87 "misstatements, exaggerations, falsehoods" from Trump and eight from Clinton. The Times counted only Trump's "biggest whoppers," 31 of them, while skipping "dozens more." All four of the newsrooms distinguished between the kind of misstatements Clinton makes and the kind Trump makes. "Clinton has made her share of questionable claims," the Post said, but Trump "at times seems uniquely undeterred by facts." The Post said Trump "continues to rely heavily on thinly sourced or entirely unsubstantiated claims." The four stories were welcomed by the Clinton campaign; aides cited the statistics in television interviews on Sunday. However, there is no indication that the Clinton campaign was involved. Marty Baron, the executive editor of The Washington Post, said the timing of the stories was a coincidence. "We don't coordinate coverage with anyone else," Baron said. The Post did not label any of Trump's falsehoods as "lies" in its story. But the other three news outlets did. Media critics detected an uptick in journalists accusing Trump of lying when the "birther" issue was revived earlier this month. Even while finally declaring that he knows President Obama was born in the United States, Trump invoked additional lies, falsely claiming that Clinton introduced "birtherism" in 2008 and that he put the conspiracy theory to rest in 2011. The next day's New York Times headline explicitly used the "L word" journalists are usually reluctant to use. "I do think that our story on the day that Trump sought to reverse himself on birtherism -- which said outright that Trump was 'lying' -- sent ripples through the journalistic world," Times political editor Carolyn Ryan said Sunday. "Other news organizations are eager to capture what is clearly an unprecedented dynamic," she said. The Times' latest story, on page one Sunday, concluded that Trump's falsehoods fit a pattern: "Virtually all" of them "directly bolstered a powerful and self-aggrandizing narrative depicting him as a heroic savior for a nation menaced from every direction." Some Trump critics responded to the coverage by saying, in essence, "What took you so long?" MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell tweeted the L.A. Times front page and said "Congrats to LA Times for finally calling a lie a lie. (A year late)." Politico editor Susan Glasser noted that her publication examined a week's worth of Trump falsehoods during the primary season, with unflattering results for Trump. Politico "thought it was the right time to do it again, given all the attention to the question of Trump's relation to the facts," she said, noting that Clinton's words were also scrutinized this time. Glasser suggested that Trump's flouting of the truth has worsened since the primary season: The falsehoods went from "one every five minutes in that earlier piece to one every three in this one." September 25 NEW YORK
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 17:46:10 GMT
This! This is the entire point of the article. As a matter of fact it sums up the entire point of the campaign season! Hillary lies to the American people every 12 minutes. How very Presidential of her. Meet our President, Hillary Clinton. She lies to us every 12 minutes, we lucked out getting her over the one that lied every 3 minutes. Trump has served his purpose.
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Post by annaintx on Sept 26, 2016 18:17:25 GMT
I'm not really worried about Hillary. Trump just showed the world how petty and misogynistic he is. But so many people don't care, so it doesn't even matter at this point.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2016 20:54:04 GMT
This! This is the entire point of the article. As a matter of fact it sums up the entire point of the campaign season! Hillary lies to the American people every 12 minutes. How very Presidential of her. Meet our President, Hillary Clinton. She lies to us every 12 minutes, we lucked out getting her over the one that lied every 3 minutes. Trump has served his purpose. No, no it's not the entire point of the article. The point was that Trump is the biggest liar. But how sweet of you run to his rescue and point out just one teeny part of the article that isn't kind to Hillary and start screaming THIS IS THE POINT!!!! (When it's not)
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2016 20:57:27 GMT
This! This is the entire point of the article. As a matter of fact it sums up the entire point of the campaign season! Hillary lies to the American people every 12 minutes. How very Presidential of her. Meet our President, Hillary Clinton. She lies to us every 12 minutes, we lucked out getting her over the one that lied every 3 minutes. Trump has served his purpose. By comparison to Trump he lied every 3 mins. 15 seconds in a 5 hr period, and Hillary 12 min. Not sure where you were educated, but once again your declaration and math are off, wrong. What that statement is saying is that Trump lies 4x more than Hillary. "Politico Magazine's team analyzed every statement made by both Trump and Clinton for five days and said "the conclusion is inescapable: Trump's mishandling of facts and propensity for exaggeration so greatly exceed Clinton's as to make the comparison almost ludicrous." "Overall, the news outlet counted 87 "misstatements, exaggerations, falsehoods" from Trump and eight from Clinton." "The Post said Trump "continues to rely heavily on thinly sourced or entirely unsubstantiated claims." ^^^^^And that's Donald Trump folks!!!! HOW VERY PRESIDENTIAL OF HIM. šššššššš
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 21:07:39 GMT
This! This is the entire point of the article. As a matter of fact it sums up the entire point of the campaign season! Hillary lies to the American people every 12 minutes. How very Presidential of her. Meet our President, Hillary Clinton. She lies to us every 12 minutes, we lucked out getting her over the one that lied every 3 minutes. Trump has served his purpose. By comparison to Trump he lied every 3 mins. 15 seconds in a 5 hr period, and Hillary 12 min. Not sure where you were educated, but once again your declaration and math are off, wrong. What that statement is saying is that Trump lies 4x more than Hillary. I get that you and Gia get a kick out of going at each other, but I feel like even you have to admit that she has a point on this one. Her math IS correct, she stated exactly what you did.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2016 21:13:23 GMT
By comparison to Trump he lied every 3 mins. 15 seconds in a 5 hr period, and Hillary 12 min. Not sure where you were educated, but once again your declaration and math are off, wrong. What that statement is saying is that Trump lies 4x more than Hillary. I get that you and Gia get a kick out of going at each other, but I feel like even you have to admit that she has a point on this one. Her math IS correct, she stated exactly what you did. I'm reading it as she's saying that Hillary lies every 12 minutes (period) vs Trump only lied x amount if times in a 5 hr timeframe. If that's incorrect-then I will correct it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 21:28:27 GMT
I get that you and Gia get a kick out of going at each other, but I feel like even you have to admit that she has a point on this one. Her math IS correct, she stated exactly what you did. I'm reading it as she's saying that Hillary lies every 12 minutes (period) vs Trump only lied x amount if times in a 5 hr timeframe. If that's incorrect-then I will correct it. Gia said: You said: To me, this is the same thing. SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 0:50:48 GMT
This! This is the entire point of the article. As a matter of fact it sums up the entire point of the campaign season! Hillary lies to the American people every 12 minutes. How very Presidential of her. Meet our President, Hillary Clinton. She lies to us every 12 minutes, we lucked out getting her over the one that lied every 3 minutes. Trump has served his purpose. By comparison to Trump he lied every 3 mins. 15 seconds in a 5 hr period, and Hillary 12 min. Not sure where you were educated, but once again your declaration and math are off, wrong. What that statement is saying is that Trump lies 4x more than Hillary. "Politico Magazine's team analyzed every statement made by both Trump and Clinton for five days and said "the conclusion is inescapable: Trump's mishandling of facts and propensity for exaggeration so greatly exceed Clinton's as to make the comparison almost ludicrous." "Overall, the news outlet counted 87 "misstatements, exaggerations, falsehoods" from Trump and eight from Clinton." "The Post said Trump "continues to rely heavily on thinly sourced or entirely unsubstantiated claims." ^^^^^And that's Donald Trump folks!!!! HOW VERY PRESIDENTIAL OF HIM. šššššššš Seriously, no snark intended. Any snark in my previous post was not aimed at you, but the situation. This is the perfect illustration of how different people see things so differently sometimes. In that article, you saw what was probably so obvious to you. Trump lies more than Hillary, she's clearly the one that belongs in the White House. And I saw what seemed so obvious to me. That Hillary lies less, but even if she's the one that should be in the White House, she will lie to us about every 12 minutes. No animosity intended. I'm just talking to you person to person.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 27, 2016 3:12:12 GMT
By comparison to Trump he lied every 3 mins. 15 seconds in a 5 hr period, and Hillary 12 min. Not sure where you were educated, but once again your declaration and math are off, wrong. What that statement is saying is that Trump lies 4x more than Hillary. "Politico Magazine's team analyzed every statement made by both Trump and Clinton for five days and said "the conclusion is inescapable: Trump's mishandling of facts and propensity for exaggeration so greatly exceed Clinton's as to make the comparison almost ludicrous." "Overall, the news outlet counted 87 "misstatements, exaggerations, falsehoods" from Trump and eight from Clinton." "The Post said Trump "continues to rely heavily on thinly sourced or entirely unsubstantiated claims." ^^^^^And that's Donald Trump folks!!!! HOW VERY PRESIDENTIAL OF HIM. šššššššš Seriously, no snark intended. Any snark in my previous post was not aimed at you, but the situation. This is the perfect illustration of how different people see things so differently sometimes. In that article, you saw what was probably so obvious to you. Trump lies more than Hillary, she's clearly the one that belongs in the White House. And I saw what seemed so obvious to me. That Hillary lies less, but even if she's the one that should be in the White House, she will lie to us about every 12 minutes. No animosity intended. I'm just talking to you person to person. So I read your understanding correctly, yes?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 5:11:18 GMT
Seriously, no snark intended. Any snark in my previous post was not aimed at you, but the situation. This is the perfect illustration of how different people see things so differently sometimes. In that article, you saw what was probably so obvious to you. Trump lies more than Hillary, she's clearly the one that belongs in the White House. And I saw what seemed so obvious to me. That Hillary lies less, but even if she's the one that should be in the White House, she will lie to us about every 12 minutes. No animosity intended. I'm just talking to you person to person. So I read your understanding correctly, yes? If you read it as, no matter which one makes it into office, we'll have a liar of epic proportions for a President, then yes, you read it correctly.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 27, 2016 6:20:59 GMT
So I read your understanding correctly, yes? If you read it as, no matter which one makes it into office, we'll have a liar of epic proportions for a President, then yes, you read it correctly. I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Hillary is a typical politician and falls in line with the rest of them when it comes to hyperbole/exaggeration/untruths. Donald Trump is a liar of epic proportions.
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