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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 20, 2016 17:38:05 GMT
I'm not afraid of a Trump presidency I'm afraid of his followers. He's given a certain subset of people a voice. These are the people who show up at his rallies in Fuck Clinton shirts or She's a Cunt shirt. That's not the America I'm looking forward to living in. In a normal election year? Yes, life goes on...not so sure about this one. I'm not arguing for trump, let me make that clear, but I do have to make a point with this: This definitely goes both ways. WOW. That is wrong on so many levels.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Oct 20, 2016 17:41:24 GMT
There's a lot of ppl that feel the same way about Hillary. I'm sure this is very true and I don't want to speak for others, but my fear would be that if Trump is in office is how he portrays himself to others. Is he going to get into that dick measuring contest with another leader - very likely! What will be the fallout from that? Doesn't seem like he's good at being challenged or taking advice. This will lead to a lot of unnecessary issues. I kind of liken it to dealing with the boss....do you want to deal with the one who remains calm, is educated on the issue, etc. or do you want to deal with the one who flies off the handle if you challenge them and calls you an ugly troll because they can't control his mouth? I feel like poise is a necessary attribute for the President.
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Post by darkangel090260 on Oct 20, 2016 17:45:02 GMT
i am ready to get the heck out of here. if need be
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Post by freebird on Oct 20, 2016 17:49:53 GMT
There's a lot of ppl that feel the same way about Hillary. I'm sure this is very true and I don't want to speak for others, but my fear would be that if Trump is in office is how he portrays himself to others. Is he going to get into that dick measuring contest with another leader - very likely! What will be the fallout from that? Doesn't seem like he's good at being challenged or taking advice. This will lead to a lot of unnecessary issues. I kind of liken it to dealing with the boss....do you want to deal with the one who remains calm, is educated on the issue, etc. or do you want to deal with the one who flies off the handle if you challenge them and calls you an ugly troll because they can't control his mouth? I feel like poise is a necessary attribute for the President. And on the other hand, I don't want some limp noodle in there. I have a feeling if Trump wins, there won't be a lot of bomb threats from other countries.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 17:50:33 GMT
What amazes me is those who look at Trump's behavior when folks he perceives are not being "nice" to him and thinks everything will be honky dory if he is elected. That it's just the other side's scare tactics so one will vote for their candidate.
Last night watching the debate my take away is how Trump looked like a petulant child while listening to Hillary talk. And let's don't forget his exchange when Hillary said he was Putin's puppet. Mumbling I'm not a puppet twice and then like a defiant 5 year old yells "your a puppet". What grown up does that? Especially one who is interviewing for the job as leader of the most powerful country in the world?
No no if Trump is elected it won't be things as usual. Not by a long shot. Especially if you look at the moves Russia has made the last couple of days in the Middle East.
If Trump becomes president he will not challenge Putin which will mean Putin can continue on with his plan to make Russia like the old USSR. And that benefits nobody except Putin.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 17:52:33 GMT
IMO, we **are** going to war no matter if it is trump or hillary in office. The difference will be who we are at war with and where.
Will it change my day to day life, probably not. Now that my kids and their spouses are all out of the military or military related contracting I am not terribly worried (other than the one that will be working in an Embassy)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 17:55:16 GMT
Not gonna happen, relax. Heck, I may even have to go vote. Even Texas is backing away now. (Not for him.)
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Post by lucillebluth on Oct 20, 2016 17:56:56 GMT
I'm sure this is very true and I don't want to speak for others, but my fear would be that if Trump is in office is how he portrays himself to others. Is he going to get into that dick measuring contest with another leader - very likely! What will be the fallout from that? Doesn't seem like he's good at being challenged or taking advice. This will lead to a lot of unnecessary issues. I kind of liken it to dealing with the boss....do you want to deal with the one who remains calm, is educated on the issue, etc. or do you want to deal with the one who flies off the handle if you challenge them and calls you an ugly troll because they can't control his mouth? I feel like poise is a necessary attribute for the President. And on the other hand, I don't want some limp noodle in there. I have a feeling if Trump wins, there won't be a lot of bomb threats from other countries. I'm not sure what you mean here? Other leaders would be scared that Trump would retaliate? We're capable of retaliating now--don't we already have that going for us? I'm not sure that having someone who is perceived as trigger-happy (which I think is your argument) would protect us. Seems like it might make some nut go for the pre-emptive strike.
Honestly, I'm not sure how Trump would do. On the one hand, he talks a lot and, who knows, might back that up some day. But I think it's much more likely that he would let things go to hell in a hand-basket at home and all around the world, all the while insisting that everything is phenomenal because he's in charge.
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Post by red88 on Oct 20, 2016 17:57:50 GMT
i am ready to get the heck out of here. if need be I hear this a lot. Is it a reality for you? It isn't for me. I have no family outside the US & gaining citizenship in another country is not always an option. I think if there is a a doomsday outcome, I'm not sure boarding countries would be willing/able to take on the mass population of the US. Granted...this is way out there speculation & I sincerely believe this won't happen, but that damn "what if" lingers in the back of my mind. I just wonder why people would say, "I'm outta here" & in reality it's not possible.
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Post by mimi3566 on Oct 20, 2016 17:58:24 GMT
If trump would become president, my biggest fear would be war. I think it would only be a short time before he starts or incites war. I also think he would damage our relationships with other countries to the point that we would not have backing in the case of a war. The lasting effects would be detrimental. He has said he loves war, he would strike first, and is impulsive and narcissistic. I would see him reveling in the idea of having his name be associated with a war in he history books, and he would have an unrealistic vision of how that would end up. I also hear rhetoric from him that sounds like he wants to be a dictator. That isn't the type of government I want to live under. I understand that there are people who fear Hillary being president, but honestly I don't understand where that fear comes from, other than too much time listening to/reading conservative news. Hillary is level headed, thinks before speaking and acting, appears to have strong critical thinking skills, and has done a better job of bringing people together to reach goals. Trump has managed to divide his party even more as the campaign has gone on, rather than bring them together. It is trump against everyone and I hate to imagine what that would look like on the world stage while we are taken along for the ride. I fear a war no matter who wins. Either way, we are most likely going to end up in a war with Russia. I know there's a snowballs chance in hell of anyone other than these 2 winning, but we the people seriously need to research the other options. I think Jill Stein is viable candidate and can be the change and it won't be politics as usual, but everyone is so afraid of either Trump or Hillary winning they are casting their vote, not for their candidate but against the one they fear the most which won't change a damn thing.
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Post by darkangel090260 on Oct 20, 2016 18:08:51 GMT
i am ready to get the heck out of here. if need be I hear this a lot. Is it a reality for you? It isn't for me. I have no family outside the US & gaining citizenship in another country is not always an option. I think if there is a a doomsday outcome, I'm not sure boarding countries would be willing/able to take on the mass population of the US. Granted...this is way out there speculation & I sincerely believe this won't happen, but that damn "what if" lingers in the back of my mind. I just wonder why people would say, "I'm outta here" & in reality it's not possible. he is going start world war 3 and I have a step son who will be 18 next year. I can take us off girded for up to a year if we stay put or if we get to my family we can go off for good if need be. my step son lives closed then we do and he know if he need to get safe where to meet us.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Oct 20, 2016 18:11:00 GMT
I'm sure this is very true and I don't want to speak for others, but my fear would be that if Trump is in office is how he portrays himself to others. Is he going to get into that dick measuring contest with another leader - very likely! What will be the fallout from that? Doesn't seem like he's good at being challenged or taking advice. This will lead to a lot of unnecessary issues. I kind of liken it to dealing with the boss....do you want to deal with the one who remains calm, is educated on the issue, etc. or do you want to deal with the one who flies off the handle if you challenge them and calls you an ugly troll because they can't control his mouth? I feel like poise is a necessary attribute for the President. And on the other hand, I don't want some limp noodle in there. I have a feeling if Trump wins, there won't be a lot of bomb threats from other countries. I'm being serious, not argumentative when I ask what you see about him that makes you think I guess that people fear him? What would make people not make bomb threats with him in office vs Hillary?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 18:11:10 GMT
i am ready to get the heck out of here. if need be So, you have your family's passports in order, have checked into visa regulations for other countries (and length of stay if no visa is required) AND have 4-5 years worth of wages saved up for living expenses in another country where you don't have the right to work? Oddly Americans hate illegal immigrants who just cross the border with no documents, no money and expect to be allowed to work, yet Americans think it is hunkydory for them to do the same if they feel the need to do it.
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Post by mimi3566 on Oct 20, 2016 18:13:25 GMT
i am ready to get the heck out of here. if need be I hear this a lot. Is it a reality for you? It isn't for me. I have no family outside the US & gaining citizenship in another country is not always an option. I think if there is a a doomsday outcome, I'm not sure boarding countries would be willing/able to take on the mass population of the US. Granted...this is way out there speculation & I sincerely believe this won't happen, but that damn "what if" lingers in the back of my mind. I just wonder why people would say, "I'm outta here" & in reality it's not possible. You're exactly right....unless you've got lots and I mean LOTS of money, it's very difficult to just pickup and relocate to another country legally. My dd has been researching her options for over a year now and it's a very expensive and time-consuming process. She wants to move to Alberta Canada just because she loves it there.
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Post by likescarrots on Oct 20, 2016 18:14:44 GMT
I don't really know if it matters. I think we are in for a shitty few years either way. I believe there will be another economic collapse soon regardless of who becomes president, though the market might crash early if he is elected.
I think hillary is a hawk and i don't particularly like her foreign policy, and the world is a mess right now, so i think there will be some sort of foreign conflict either way, but obviously i don't want trump being at the helm of that either.
My boss told me she is moving back to her home country if trump is elected, and i don't want that to happen because she is the best, so i guess that might be the worst of it for me.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 20, 2016 18:18:51 GMT
One of the things that concerns me most that hasn't already been mentioned on this thread would be the people he would appoint to SCOTUS. The people who get in are going to be ruling on laws that will affect many of us possibly for decades to come, long after this next president is gone.
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 20, 2016 18:20:11 GMT
I also think war is probably inevitable regardless of who wins and as a mother of two teens, it keeps me up at night. Adding Trump into the mix raises the additional concern of whether we'll on the right side or the wrong side.
IMO, it's short sighted to say that nothing will change or he won't get anything done. Changing the make up of the Supreme Court could have a profound impact on basic things we take for granted. And when you look at the world today vs. how it was 7 years ago when GWB was still in office, it's impossible to say that major things in our society haven't changed. A President, even with a hostile Congress, can still accomplish a lot. Since Trump would be likely to have a cooperative Congress, at least the House, on a number of issues, he could change the landscape of environmental protections, safety regulations, worker protections, entitlements, etc.
All of that being said, I'm more afraid of what he's unleashed than the man himself. He's given permission to revel in the ugliest parts of the human experience, to give voice to thoughts, words and even behavior that have no place in a civilized, polite society. Living in the heart of Trump country, I see it almost every day now. I can explain/understand a lot of reasons why someone would vote for almost any conservative candidate but I can't resolve in my own mind how much people are willing to ignore and forgive this man just to continue to vote for the Republican candidate. My husband and I have talked about what we'll do if he wins but ultimately, it will depend on the atmosphere of the area we live in and the country at large in the weeks and months after the election.
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Post by pierkiss on Oct 20, 2016 18:31:05 GMT
I worry about how the economy will fare under him. We are in a precarious situation, as we are starting two new businesses. We are taking investment from interested parties, and as long as the economy holds we should be ok. But if it tanks again, We. Are. Fucked.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Oct 20, 2016 18:35:14 GMT
I feel as a collective there should be preparation for this scenario just in case it happens. But if it were to happen I'm not freaking out about it. That's where the deeper meaning and bigger picture puts me at. A place where it will all turn out ok in the end no matter what happens. But I do feel fear will postpone that, so I'm staying unsupportive of being in that vibe.
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Post by llinin on Oct 20, 2016 18:37:20 GMT
Well, if reading this board is any indication, I guess I will: Gas up my truck with the confederate flag attached, drink a budweiser, put on my "grab them by the pussy" tshirt, grab my 50 assault rifles, and go to a KKK meeting.
In reality, my life in suburbia will continue. I expect nothing to happen to Roe vs Wade, which is good because I support it. I also expect the 2nd amendment not to be riddled with these so called "common sense" regulations that I do not agree with. I also expect a tough stance on illegal immigrants, which I also agree with. I have no interest in new Supreme Court Justices having a liberal agenda. I also would expect to hear more of the same old, same old from the media decrying how I am a raging lunatic Trump voter. I am not a lunatic, I don't even like Trump, but I do not agree with Hillary's ideas. How is that so hard for people to comprehend? A lot of us are normal professional people, not raging rednecks. There is no rebel flag on my Infiniti or Hillary for Prison sticker on my Subaru.
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 20, 2016 18:39:36 GMT
If trump is elected his supporters are in for a huge surprise. Not only does he not give a fuck about them but he actively looks down his nose at them. He is not loyal to anyone but donald.
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Post by dylniksmor on Oct 20, 2016 18:43:11 GMT
He will turn The White House into "The Trump White House Hotel"
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Post by ginacivey on Oct 20, 2016 18:51:17 GMT
he is going start world war 3 and I have a step son who will be 18 next year. I can take us off girded for up to a year if we stay put or if we get to my family we can go off for good if need be. my step son lives closed then we do and he know if he need to get safe where to meet us. you you'd help your son be a draft dodger? if it came down to it?
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Post by Nink on Oct 20, 2016 19:07:18 GMT
he is going start world war 3 and I have a step son who will be 18 next year. I can take us off girded for up to a year if we stay put or if we get to my family we can go off for good if need be. my step son lives closed then we do and he know if he need to get safe where to meet us. you you'd help your son be a draft dodger? if it came down to it? Maybe Trump can give him some pointers.
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Post by terri on Oct 20, 2016 19:07:21 GMT
My immediate concerns are losing my insurance and my healthcare going down hill as a result. My husband will almost certainly lose his job in a Trump presidency as will the thousands of people he works with in the US. (He works in the US headquarters for a Chinese corporation - they hired thousands of people that lost jobs when factories here closed and IBM downscaled.)
In a more big picture way, I have two kids, one 19 and one 21, and I worry about the end of NATO resulting in a world war and what that could be mean for them. I have grave concerns over my daughter working and living in a place where it is acceptable for men to speak about women the way Trump does and then gets elected. Trump has already said he will cancel US participation in the Paris climate change agreement and I worry about the anti-environmental legislation he will push through.
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Post by ginacivey on Oct 20, 2016 19:08:47 GMT
you you'd help your son be a draft dodger? if it came down to it? Maybe Trump can give him some pointers. so can a lot of politicians but that wasn't the point or the question gina
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Post by gritzi on Oct 20, 2016 19:13:04 GMT
Trump certainly wasn't my choice on the Republican ticket, but between he & Hillary, I feel far more comfortable having him living at the White House than her.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Oct 20, 2016 19:21:37 GMT
I would feel safer and be happy!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 19:24:29 GMT
Well, if reading this board is any indication, I guess I will: Gas up my truck with the confederate flag attached, drink a budweiser, put on my "grab them by the pussy" tshirt, grab my 50 assault rifles, and go to a KKK meeting.
I disagree with your reading of this board. We vehemently defend our views. Yes, sometimes even to disparaging remarks. BUT to say one side is nastier than the other is simply wrong.
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Post by ginacivey on Oct 20, 2016 19:35:15 GMT
Well, if reading this board is any indication, I guess I will: Gas up my truck with the confederate flag attached, drink a budweiser, put on my "grab them by the pussy" tshirt, grab my 50 assault rifles, and go to a KKK meeting.
I disagree with your reading of this board. We vehemently defend our views. Yes, sometimes even to disparaging remarks. BUT to say one side is nastier than the other is simply wrong. being planted firmly in the middle...and still undecided i can say that - both sides are equally nasty smart assed, rude, below the belt nasty condescending and self-rightous not all - but enough that it's noticeable gina
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