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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 9, 2016 18:23:53 GMT
I've been waiting for someone to convince me that people who support trump are doing it for reasons other than ignorance or fear/hatred of others. So far that hasn't happened yet. Maybe that will happen at some point, maybe not.
I also think that the argument of not wanting to be politically correct is incredibly hypocritical given that Trump can give it out but can't take it. That's how those things usually go, though. People who say they "tell it like it is" are the first ones to be offended if they feel that someone slights them.
ETA that I think most of all, I have a hard time understanding how people can ignore all of the things he has said and vote for a person with such character problems, unless you are ok with those things as well. And that is where we come back to ignorance, fear and hate.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Nov 9, 2016 18:27:14 GMT
I just think that many people are using the excuse 'oh, we wanted a change' to justify things. But that doesn't fly. You can't just ignore the entirety of how awful this man is and just say you like one particular thing he says. Just like if someone robs a store and kills the cashier....but he was doing it because he needed the money to pay his mom's medical bills. He still killed someone. You can't just ignore that and say he was doing it for a good reason. People don't have a hard time figuring that out when it comes to the store robber, but they are awfully good at pretending they don't see the heinousness of Trump and only voted him in because 'he's not a part of the establishment'. Because he's a white man and the system is set up for people like him to succeed (in spite of the 'rigged election' bs) and that includes having a short memory on their transgressions. A black or hispanic person in this country can have the same non existent criminal record in the same neighborhood and see the same judge as a white person accused of committing the same crime and the black or hispanic will get steep, stiff sentences while a white person will receive probation and a speech to not do it again. He may not be a part of the establishment, but he is everything that it was built to create...everything that we as a nation (liberals, anyway) have fought hard to tear down so EVERYONE has a fair shake.
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Post by Enna on Nov 9, 2016 18:29:05 GMT
All of you who voted for Trump broke my heart.
I have always loved your country. I've visited there a lot, during the last few years about once a year. And I get a lot of grief about that. "Why do you go there? There's no culture or history. People there are too religious / idiots / conservative. They only care about their own country. They don't know anything about the rest of the world."
And I've always defended you and your country. I've told about the amazing places I've seen and about the friendly people I've met. During this election I told everyone that I have faith in you. I believed that your country is ready for a female president. That you are ready to leave racism and misogyny behind you and move forward.
Today I had to admit to my friends and co-workers that I was wrong. Those stereotypes we have here about the people of your country got stronger today. You don't want to hear the what people here think about this and about the people who voted for him, but the common opinion is a shock. Finns can't believe that so many fell for Trump's lies. Nobody here believes for a second that he can bring back jobs or remove all illegal immigrants. He just yelled the loudest and people fell for it.
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Post by tincin on Nov 9, 2016 18:29:21 GMT
Let a white Christian come on here and tell you they don't agree with gay marriage, all fucking hell breaks out. Y'all will shame that person till they are gone (me myself I don't give a damn who screws who, just don't make me pay for it). You are are more than welcome to threaten me all you want, bring it on. And I will tell you I have always been proud to be an American no matter what mooochelle says.....see it goes both ways.... Exhibit A. Really? My asking her to explain why she felt I was a bully was bullying? You can't be serious. Oh, is that comment bullying as well?
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Nov 9, 2016 18:29:41 GMT
I've been waiting for someone to convince me that people who support trump are doing it for reasons other than ignorance or fear/hatred of others. So far that hasn't happened yet. Maybe that will happen at some point, maybe not. I also think that the argument of not wanting to be politically correct is incredibly hypocritical given that Trump can give it out but can't take it. That's how those things usually go, though. People who say they "tell it like it is" are the first ones to be offended if they feel that someone slights them. Exactly. They say they want tolerance when they have an unpopular opinion, but they don't want to offer that same tolerance to someone else because that act has no benefit for them.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 9, 2016 18:36:56 GMT
All of you who voted for Trump broke my heart. I have always loved your country. I've visited there a lot, during the last few years about once a year. And I get a lot of grief about that. "Why do you go there? There's no culture or history. People there are too religious / idiots / conservative. They only care about their own country. They don't know anything about the rest of the world." And I've always defended you and your country. I've told about the amazing places I've seen and about the friendly people I've met. During this election I told everyone that I have faith in you. I believed that your country is ready for a female president. That you are ready to leave racism and misogyny behind you and move forward. Today I had to admit to my friends and co-workers that I was wrong. Those stereotypes we have here about the people of your country got stronger today. You don't want to hear the what people here think about this and about the people who voted for him, but the common opinion is a shock. Finns can't believe that so many fell for Trump's lies. Nobody here believes for a second that he can bring back jobs or remove all illegal immigrants. He just yelled the loudest and people fell for it. Please remember that not everyone voted for him (half didn't). And that those of us who didn't feel the exact same shock at what has happened and feel that we are living among strangers. At least I do.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Nov 9, 2016 18:42:13 GMT
No, I meant Exhibit A. If you can't imagine why Clinton supporters think that Trump supporters are hateful, ignorant, etc., you've just illustrated the reason perfectly.
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Post by carly on Nov 9, 2016 18:42:57 GMT
Yes. That is exactly how I feel. There is no justification (in my mind) in voting for a self-proclaimed sexual assaulter of woman, who has very clearly shown himself to be a racist, homophobic, xenophobic, misogynistic, narcissistic pathological liar. Hillary was not my first choice. But even if I hated her, I would have held my nose and voted for her anyway. My black husband feels less safe. I fear for my unborn biracial daughter. You (the global 'you') may feel safe as a white suburban woman, but that is NOT the experience that many people of color have had in this country. POC are treated as less valuable, as 'less than'. You may not see it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I may be a blue eyed blonde, but send me out there holding my black husband's hand and watch what happens. Have you ever had racial epithets screamed at you by complete strangers as you walked down the street in a major tourist area?? Have you ever been pulled over for absolutely no reason other than driving with a black passenger?? The police paid a whole lot more attention to my then-boyfriend in the car than to me, the actual driver. Not OK. Well, in the new US of A it is OK, apparently. I fear for my friend with a trans child, who was planning to retire next year but now has to wait to see how quickly they destroy the ACA and figure out what she will do for health insurance. I fear for my LGBT friends whose marriages are now on politically unstable ground. v I fear for women of the future who may need access to abortion services, who may come to find this only available in back alleys. I am 14 weeks pregnant with a baby I fought hard to get pregnant with for several years, but I would absolutely have had an abortion if our chromosome testing came back showing serious issues. My choice. It should always be *my* choice. I have friends/family who are conservative. I don't care if you vote Republican down the line in every local race or issue. But I cannot accept a Trump vote. Not at all. That is pretty unforgivable. Explain to your non-white/LGBTQ/etc friends why exactly you voted someone into office who is a direct threat to them and has/will go after them and their rights. There is no justification. This is exactly the reason Trump won. This victim, bullshit big white scary boogieman. I bet you and your husband live in a nice house, make a good salary, go out and not a damn white person bothers you or your husband. Nobody that I personally know of thinks or says "let's hold down the blacks, gays and women". Get out of here with that bull shit. STOP being a victim. I am a woman and the ONLY woman in my job, there is no other women that have applied, I make more than most of the men I work with. Be proud of who you are, if you fail try again it's not the white boogieman's fault.
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Post by Shel on Nov 9, 2016 18:44:41 GMT
In thinking about this election I don't think it was that Trump won so much as Clinton lost. To so many people she was more of the same political establishment that have frustrated this nation. Essentially a third term for Obama. So I find it telling that rationale, educated people would choose to vote for this egomaniac over Clinton. I think people want something different than what Washington has been giving them. I think Obamacare was a huge tipping point for people. I have a friend who's been a doctor for a really long time and he's very liberal and he voted for Obama both times. But he said when it passed that it was unsustainable and that it would be an unmitigated disaster. He said it would lead this nation to a single payer system (which, ironically he is adamantly opposed to) And here we are. Yes, some people now have healthcare and it's great; but so many more of the working middle class are being priced out of policies. Healthcare NEEDS reform and Obamacare either needs to be fixed or repealed and replaced. So I think that's what it came down to - people voting for change and against Clinton....not necessarily agreeing with Trump.
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Post by carly on Nov 9, 2016 18:44:42 GMT
Really? My asking her to explain why she felt I was a bully was bullying? You can't be serious. Oh, is that comment bullying as well? No she is on your side, it's the white man's fault.
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Post by Enna on Nov 9, 2016 18:46:58 GMT
Please remember that not everyone voted for him (half didn't). And that those of us who didn't feel the exact same shock at what has happened and feel that we are living among strangers. At least I do. I do. I have friends there that are devastated right now. I will always know that there are a lot of great people who didn't vote for Trump, but not everyone here share the same insight. I'm suprised if your tourism industry won't suffer from this. I am planning my next holiday and decided to go to southern Europe instead. I have feeling a lot of Europeans might do the same. Tallenna
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 9, 2016 18:48:56 GMT
There is nothing that, as a Trump supporter, said he that I have to justify to you.
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Post by mnmloveli on Nov 9, 2016 18:49:56 GMT
Today, and for the past weeks, I feel the majority of the Clinton supporters on this board have acted exactly like they say Trump acts. How can they not see this ?
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Post by quiltz on Nov 9, 2016 18:52:40 GMT
statements that Trump supporters are bastards,ignorant, uneducated or racists lumps everyone into the same basket. Unfortunately that's the group of Trump voters that's been most visible and had the most air time. Common sense says you're not all like that but, purely in my opinion, this seemed like a time to look beyond your personal political stance and look at the bigger picture of your country's future and world issues. He is dangerous in a way that no other (US) leader has been or would be - not even Hillary at her worst would be a danger (to yourselves and beyond) in the same sense. I know some have stated that they voted for him despite hating him because they are voting for the Republican platform - I just don't see how you could have ANY faith that he'll actually stick to those values as he seems to change his mind whenever it suits his agenda for that day. I was on a cruise recently where the majority of the guests were Americans. It became very clear to me, very quickly, that the notion of searching outside of the USA border for any information or for international viewpoints was not even a blimp or even a slight consideration. The vast majority thought that only the way anything could be viewed was from an American news source & I was repeatedly told that FOX NEWS was the most reputable source. I was initally stunned by this point of view, but after discussions with others, I came to my own conclusion that the Americans that I talked to were very insular & could not understand why an international news source would add value. An eye opening experiance for me. I do realize that not all Americans are similar in thought & point of view as I experienced, but this was my experiance that I had.
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Post by tracyarts on Nov 9, 2016 18:54:33 GMT
No, I know a few Trump supporters who are none of those things. I thought about asking them what it was about him that drew their support, but because the election was so divisive, I felt that they might take it as a confrontation and kept my mouth shut. Unfortunately, I know a lot more Trump supporters who do fit the stereotypes to a "T". But most of them I only know casually, and would never get into a political discussion with them.
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Post by putabuttononit on Nov 9, 2016 18:56:05 GMT
I think many of you are overlooking the actual exit poll results. Trump did better with blacks, Latinos, and women that anyone had expected. I think many of you are so blinded by your own hate that you can't see that you are exactly what you are accusing the other side of being. One of the things that ALL pundits on pretty much every network (liberal or conservative) agreed on last night was that Trump won because the ordinary man/woman is sick of the political elitism that has swept this country. They are tired of not having a voice. They are tired of executive orders that put in place things that the majority would never have voted in. They are tired of being called racist, xenophobic and all the other ugly names many of you have slung at them (and right here on this thread) because they don't see things the way you do. They love this country just as much you you do and their concerns are legitimate whether or not you see them as such. Like most of you, I was shocked that Trump won. But I HAD expected it to be much closer than the polls were suggesting because I knew there was a great swelling of outraged people who were sick of being called all the ugly names because they had concerns that were different from the political elite. I knew because I was told that over and over again including by many conservative Peas who have left this forum simply because of the kind of rhetoric that has been expressed in this thread. They left, but they didn't change their minds about the way the country is headed. Calling people racist, xenophobic, etc. is NEVER going to win hearts and change minds. Many of you need to open your hearts to a real discussion that can happen without ugly name-calling. If that had happened, maybe we all could have come together better to try to find a good way to resolve things rather than this angrily divided country. Absolutely. Some of the people on this board talk about respect while spewing nasty hateful things, talk about how terrible Trump is and speak vile, vicious words to anyone who might disagree. I'm telling you, Peas who behave this way are PART OF THE PROBLEM. But won't/can't/don't see it.
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Post by Anita on Nov 9, 2016 18:57:39 GMT
I honestly didn't. And then I read my Facebook wall this morning... On my FB, all of the people spewing vile hateful words are Hillary supporters. Until a few minutes ago I only saw a few snarky posts from Trump backers, but now it seems the gloating is coming out of the woodwork. It's just striking to me all the hate from Hillary's people. (And I voted for her.) SaveThat's not what's on my wall.
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Post by mnmloveli on Nov 9, 2016 18:58:34 GMT
I've been waiting for someone to convince me that people who support trump are doing it for reasons other than ignorance or fear/hatred of others. So far that hasn't happened yet. Maybe that will happen at some point, maybe not. So you think half the country is living in fear and hatred of others ? WOW that's a lot of people !
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Post by Gennifer on Nov 9, 2016 19:00:11 GMT
Today, and for the past weeks, I feel the majority of the Clinton supporters on this board have acted exactly like they say Trump acts. How can they not see this ?
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Post by jodibeth on Nov 9, 2016 19:00:25 GMT
I feel that anyone and everyone who supported him has tacitly agreed with bullying, threatening, predatory behavior. That all of you believe that being a self admitted sexual predator is just fine. That you approve of sexism, racism, xenophobia, and homophobia. Any one of which eliminated any chance of him receiving my vote. So yes, I really feel that way. This
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on Nov 9, 2016 19:04:50 GMT
I've been waiting for someone to convince me that people who support trump are doing it for reasons other than ignorance or fear/hatred of others. So far that hasn't happened yet. Maybe that will happen at some point, maybe not. So you think half the country is living in fear and hatred of others ? WOW that's a lot of people ! You forgot to include the ignorant.
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Post by Zee on Nov 9, 2016 19:05:13 GMT
All of you who voted for Trump broke my heart. I have always loved your country. I've visited there a lot, during the last few years about once a year. And I get a lot of grief about that. "Why do you go there? There's no culture or history. People there are too religious / idiots / conservative. They only care about their own country. They don't know anything about the rest of the world." And I've always defended you and your country. I've told about the amazing places I've seen and about the friendly people I've met. During this election I told everyone that I have faith in you. I believed that your country is ready for a female president. That you are ready to leave racism and misogyny behind you and move forward. Today I had to admit to my friends and co-workers that I was wrong. Those stereotypes we have here about the people of your country got stronger today. You don't want to hear the what people here think about this and about the people who voted for him, but the common opinion is a shock. Finns can't believe that so many fell for Trump's lies. Nobody here believes for a second that he can bring back jobs or remove all illegal immigrants. He just yelled the loudest and people fell for it. I think people in other countries need to realize that half the US doesn't agree. There are still as many good and kind people as there were before. It's a huge country. This time, the common man was moved enough to vote. Too bad so many of the common man seem to be ok with racism, sexism, etc. Welcome to Murica. But personally, I get really annoyed when I read how backwards Europeans or other foreigners think the US is. It's like my mom...only I get to talk about my mom, goddammit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 19:05:22 GMT
Can't imagine what will be going through President Obama as the first black President of the United States, when he has to hand over power to such a despicable human being in January.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 9, 2016 19:07:12 GMT
Today, and for the past weeks, I feel the majority of the Clinton supporters on this board have acted exactly like they say Trump acts. How can they not see this ? Because that's "different". Trump deserves it.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Nov 9, 2016 19:09:10 GMT
Really? My asking her to explain why she felt I was a bully was bullying? You can't be serious. Oh, is that comment bullying as well? No she is on your side, it's the white man's fault. If you don't see that the system is set up for whites (white men, especially) to succeed, you are being willfully ignorant. Just because slavery was abolished and the civil rights movement gave equality to POC in law doesn't mean that they suddenly had a level playing field. It's been decades upon decades and whites still start ahead purely on the color of their skin at birth. Is it what it used to be? Absolutely not, we've made some progress, but being born white, even better a white male, is still an advantage. It's like racing up 25 flights of stairs, only being white means your flights of stairs are only 6 stairs each instead of 12. You hear 25 flights of stairs and think it's fair and equal, but when you actually LOOK at what each flight of stairs looks like, you see very clearly that the advantage is for the white competitor. The same theory can be applied to male and female. Being born male is also an advantage. This is my POV being a white woman being married to a black man. We are middle class. He grew up poor and outright REFUSED to be a statistic. He works 2 jobs to support our family (childcare costs would make any income I made go straight to that and we'd still need a third income somewhere) because we don't want to be that statistical family with x number of kids on welfare. He got lucky. He met the right people (one boss is now a CA state senator and another now is the president of the entire organization he's worked for for the past 15 years) and has a good head on his shoulders, but that doesn't mean that he couldn't have just as easily become a statistic in this white favored society. Whites can't be blamed for everything, but they also can't claim that they aren't benefiting from the system set up to help them succeed and makes it easier for POC to fail.
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Post by flanz on Nov 9, 2016 19:09:15 GMT
Just because you bully on this message board the "politically correct" way, doesn't make you any better. The people that voted Trump are tired of being shutdown with "you're racist, you're homophobic etc.". No I doubt he will do half of what he says but we sent a message, just because we don't think or believe what you do....well it makes us a deplorable and damn proud! She was asked a question and she answered honestly how she felt. That's communicating not bullying. I wasn't a Hillary fan, I understood people not voting for her, but I will never understand voting for someone who clearly expressed his hate of minorities, his sexual harassment, his treatment of workers and so forth. I think people who voted for Trump either agree with his beliefs or think they aren't that big of a deal. I've heard too many racist statements by Trump supporters to feel otherwise. I am distraught not because of Trump winning but because to me his winning represents people's beliefs. I no longer feel safe in the country I have loved my whole life. I don't want to live in a world like this. Exactly! I'm the saddest over your words, in bold.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 9, 2016 19:09:53 GMT
I feel that anyone and everyone who supported him has tacitly agreed with bullying, threatening, predatory behavior. That all of you believe that being a self admitted sexual predator is just fine. That you approve of sexism, racism, xenophobia, and homophobia. Any one of which eliminated any chance of him receiving my vote. So yes, I really feel that way. This That is such horseshit. I guess that means you and anyone who voted for Hillary tacitly condones and agrees with her cheating to keep the nomination from Sanders, agrees with the "improprieties" that have followed her every action for 30 years and her sitting back and letting our people in Benghazi die. How I feel is that you're so damn bitter your candidate lost that you can't see or think rationally so you'll just throw out blame. Have fun.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 19:10:24 GMT
Can't imagine what will be going through President Obama as the first black President of the United States, when he has to hand over power to such a despicable human being in January. I have no doubt that Obama will do it with utter class.
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Post by Zee on Nov 9, 2016 19:11:09 GMT
One thing Hillary and Obama have said that sticks in my head: He deserves the chance to show that he can do the job. I'm not happy with the election outcome, but I'm not scared or in tears or particularly angry. I'm somewhat worried, but he does deserve at least a chance to show what he can do.
So let's all calm down and see what he and the republicans can do to fix things, without getting mired in grief and worry about what they'll take away.
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Post by Clair on Nov 9, 2016 19:12:26 GMT
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