craftykitten
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Post by craftykitten on Nov 9, 2016 21:20:48 GMT
DH has just been listening to a Youtuber who made a point that resonated with me:
"Not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist bigot. But all the racist bigots certainly voted for Trump."
However much one might say they support Trump for his views on the economy, or his business acumen, if I hear someone say "political correctness has made us weak" then I will interpret that as wanting to go back to a time of political incorrectness. A time which was racist, sexist and hateful towards minorities and LGBTQ. Being politically incorrect does not make a person or a nation strong.
I understand his anti-establishment appeal (to a point). I understand voting for change. I understand voting for Republican values, even if they aren't values that I share. But going back to the quote from Youtube...this election result has validated all those bigots. It has told them that it is OK to be loud and proud about being racist, sexist, homophobic and abuse the disabled. And you can't shut that hate away.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 21:24:33 GMT
Don't tell me how or what I think as a Trump supporter. You have it all wrong. And you should look in the mirror. You are being the ugly one. YOU are criticizing others and being the one full of hate. NOT ME! I don't believe I possess the negative traits you love to align to me. Go on feeling so justified and thinking you are so much better than other people, but I will tell you that YOU are the ignorant one. You DO NOT know me or why I have voted the way I have, so I'm tired of hearing these falsehoods! I will not try to explain my views because I believe there is no real desire to hear or understand them. I have read such ugliness within posts on this forum throughout the election and it has made me sick. But I have not gotten on here and called Hilary supporters names. Then opposite cannot be said. Since you "quoted" my post with no response I suspect this sort of aimed at me. Ok. I don't know why you voted for Trump and I don't care. It could have been for the issues or a I hate Hillary vote. But what that man said in the article is true. And we know this because Trump said it over and over and over again so there is no misunderstanding the intent of what he meant. And what he has done with his "I don't believe in bring politically correct" attitude has brought front and center a segment of our society that I find disgusting. I have no idea if you are part of that segment, I suspect not. So instead of huffing and puffing about the ugliness you claim is on this board you may want to take a step back and separate the man from the issues and then take a hard look at who you just elected as president. Cause it's not pretty. Signed: The sanctimonious over the top one.
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Post by carly on Nov 9, 2016 21:25:24 GMT
54% of male college graduates and 45% of female college graduates voted for Donald Trump. Like I said, my OWN personal experience with MY friends and family. Maybe you need to get out of your high class neighborhood and help some of these people that you believe are so down and out.
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Post by pierkiss on Nov 9, 2016 21:26:10 GMT
deleted. I'm not doing this now.
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Post by lisae on Nov 9, 2016 21:34:23 GMT
I have not read the responses. A quick glance tells me this thread has gotten nasty.
I've written and erased this post twice because each time I get into why I voted my way. That's really the problem. My way.
The election is over. Rehashing why we like or more likely why we didn't like the opposition candidate isn't getting us anywhere. I've thought of little else in the last 24 hours and what I've concluded is that if we had done more listening and less talking, we might all have been happier with the outcome. What I'm hearing in your message, OP, is that you voted primarily for platform, not for the person. You think we are putting political correctness ahead of other values. You believe you are paying for programs that are wasted. That's what I'm hearing and those are valid opinions. These beliefs and trying to match the candidate to the beliefs does not make you a racist or a terrible person.
I now believe that if we had listened to each other in the primaries we would not have a President Elect disliked by more than half the country. Many people who voted for him including my DH don't like him and really don't think he is qualified. They voted for him because they would never vote for Hillary Clinton. DH told me this countless times. For some reason, I just discounted the fact that there were millions of people like him all over the country. He lived in Arkansas when Bill Clinton was governor and has never liked the Clintons. If I'd really paid attention to him and to social media, I might have realized that while Hillary Clinton was my candidate, she wasn't going to get the votes of millions of people no matter what. I almost voted for Bernie in the primary because I believe his a genuine and ethical person. I should have done that. Many others should have done that. If he had been the candidate, today might be very different.
And the Republicans and leading Democrats should have been listening to the people who picked Donald Trump out of a field of 17 people - almost all far more qualified than he. What made him appealing? And if he was going to the nominee no matter what, what would you have to do to persuade people there was a better choice. Hillary Clinton and her supporters were sure she would win based on her experience and the recommendations over everyone from Beyonce, to the Obamas, to Republican newspapers. They were wrong. DH had a doctor appointment today and the doctor was talking about Hillary and how she never gave him a reason to vote for her other than being a woman. For what it is worth, I don't think DH's doctor is a deplorable man at all either. She didn't listen and learn what she needed to do to convince people she could be a good leader and represent them.
Everyone dug into their beliefs and couldn't see anyone else's opinion. Most of us no matter our party have been disgusted with a Congress that can't get anything done because they don't listen and they don't compromise. We are no better.
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 9, 2016 21:36:16 GMT
Taking the idea that Trump is a lying cheater at face value here, the options were between two lying cheaters or a non-viable candidate. How does wanting your vote to count tacit acceptance of all of that candidate's faults? Or, perhaps more importantly, Why is a vote for one candidate a tacit acceptance while a vote for the other is not? Just out of curiosity - why were they non-viable? What made others, who also followed the basic party policies and ideals, unelectable, but not Trump?
I acknowledge that the field was somewhat slim but I know that Trump wasn't the best that the Republican Party has to offer. What is the impediment that keeps better candidates from running.
What it comes down to, for me, is that this wasn't always a 'hold your nose and vote' scenario for the Republicans. 'You' chose this candidate from a field of candidates who were, policy-wise, like-minded but who just weren't so Trump-ish.
I should have clarified that I meant in this election, we were left at the end with only two viable candidates on the ballot for President. Why was Trump the one who was left? In my opinion it is because the Democrat machine had grown so large and corrupt and the Republican machine had grown so ineffectual that it took someone of his energy and outrage to break through. The media has presented an extremely narrow narrative on Trump. It doesn't take much imagination to consider just how much they left out. By going to the people throughout the country and doing rally after rally after rally, tens of thousands of people AT EACH RALLY were able to hear Trump directly without the influence of the media or their bias. Trump's concerns resonate with millions of people. His energy and his passion give them hope for the first time in a long time that finally, their concerns will not just be heard but also addressed. It's not the homophobic, xenophobic, toothless, back-wood Hillbilly blanket that has been thrown out here and in the mass media. That characterization is misleading to the extreme. My first presidential election was between Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. Within Reagan's first 100 days, I was stunned to realize just how dramatically I had been lied to by the media of the day. I've never forgotten and I haven't believed 95% of the media's opinion about a candidate since.
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Post by Tamhugh on Nov 9, 2016 21:36:21 GMT
Here is where I got the impression that a lot of Trump supporters do support his racism, misogyny, etc.... Everytime, without fail, that I asked someone that I knew was supporting Trump, what they liked about him, they had the same answer. "He says what we are thinking". Not one of them could give me an answer beyond that. Now, to be fair, I am not including the people who were voting for him just because they were neverHillary. But actual Trump supporters, that was all they had for me. Of course, I know that is not every one out there, but it is all of the ones I have encountered. But what part of "he says" do you think they're responding to? I remember after a few weeks of primaries I sat down and listened to one of Trump's speeches in its entirety. It's when I first came here and talked about the Reagan Democrats and the populist message that was also driving Bernie Sanders. Prior to listening to the whole speech, I pretty much heard the snippets that were reported on in the media and they were heavy on the "build a wall" sound bites. The particular speech I listened to spent at least 50% on jobs. Over and over again it was an economic message - and the crowd LOVED it. I'm not excusing the more outrageous things Trump said - and fully understand why many could not and would not support him based on those messages. But I'm just saying that perhaps some of those supporters were responding to OTHER things Trump said - not just the racism and misogyny. I would think they would be able to qualify that then. Again, I only know a small smattering of Trump supporters. But the way it is said, and that fact that is often followed by "... but are afraid to say" leads me to believe it has nothing to do with jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 21:43:18 GMT
Do Clinton supporters really think all Trump supporters are racist, uncaring, ignorant and the plethora of other hateful comments that has been stated about Trump supporters? I voted for Trump, he was my choice , do I agree with everything he believes in GOD no, does he have the power to do everything he wants, probably not. He spoke to me for several reason... the main one is to stop the handouts. I'm sick of seeing social programs being abused. I'm sick of my family working hard and supporting those that don't. I think we need a major shake up, being so politically correct has made our nation weak. There is a difference between being polite and being weak and I think this is where Trump resonates with the country. Do I think we should go back to the good old days, god no but do I think we need to re-evaluate our foreign policies/aid, our government aid here in America & our support for those that defend us ( military, LEO and etc...)... yes. We need to bring back jobs, re-build communities and help Americans stand on their own and get off government assistance. Please, I know many of you are upset, but to sit here and make any statements that Trump supporters are bastards,ignorant, uneducated or racists lumps everyone into the same basket. All things I have seen written here, main reason I have stayed away from voicing why I support Trump. So is that really how you feel? Then you are very lucky. And if you think there is no luck involved, you are fooling yourself. With NO warning I found myself the sole supporter of two children under 3 and I had no home and no job. How we would have survived without food stamps and WIC, I have no idea. Fast forward a few years and my now-husband is becoming a permanent resident. He is ineligible for ANY government benefits for ten years. So when his company went bankrupt, he was eligible for ZERO unemployment benefits. We lost all our savings just trying to survive until he found another job (I was working 2 jobs then, about 70 hours a week). I didn't have a college degree when I was on food stamps, but I came from the middle class. My husband had been making WELL over $100,000 a year. He didn't have a lot saved up yet as he was recently divorced and his ex-wife didn't leave him with much. Needing benefits can happen to ANYONE. ANYONE at all. It is LUCK that you are born into a family that is doing okay. Luck that your company doesn't go under. Luck if you are healthy and don't rack up medical bills in the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. So when someone says "I'm sick of my family working hard and supporting those that don't," it makes me angry. Other than the 7 months or so he was unemployed, my dh has worked, often multiple jobs, since he was 14. He has paid an enormous sum into a governmental system he can only recently use (hasn't needed to, thank goodness). I am atheist and I FIRMLY believe that we should help those less fortunate than ourselves. Yet so many self-appointed Christians talk about "hand outs" like they are dirty words. I also believe that of those who are given more, more is expected. We SHOULD take care of the poor, the disabled, the children, because it is the right thing to do. And if you think that can be done privately, then I ask that you look back at history, and at nations around the world that don't have things like food stamps, because what you will see is a hell of a lot of suffering. Hi I believe in SOCIAL Service but with restrictions. IF you are taking other money you do it with grace not overabundance. TheRE need to be stricter guidlines with service. Social services are suppose to be a temporary fix for those that need assistance not to supplement crazy buting habits. I know that some do it the right way but head into Walmart or food lion, Hariss Teeter and on or to one of the housing developments and explain to me the lifestyle while take a helping hand. If you need it use it and get off like you did. I'm sure you budgeted and shopped smart but for the majority they don't. As for the more statement, I have more because my husband's bust his as off, teaches, works his job and has a small part time job... I work part time and scrimp and save. I believe in giving and volunteering but I don't believe because I choose to work hard I should support those that don't.
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2016 21:46:35 GMT
Do Clinton supporters really think all Trump supporters are racist, uncaring, ignorant and the plethora of other hateful comments that has been stated about Trump supporters Technically I'm not a "Clinton supporter" because I'm not American and I don't vote, so I don't have to choose a side. That being said, yes, if you can vote for someone who has publically time and time again displayed those traits and beliefs such as racism, sexism, misogyny, who is a bully, who demeans women when he doesn't agree with them and time and time again reduces their value to simply how they look...then you must share/approve of those opinions. For heaven's sake this man said it's perfectly OK to grab "women by the pussy...and they let you do it if you are famous" if that doesn't repel you enough not to vote for this piece of crap then yes, you'll get tarred with the same brush as far as I'm concerned. You chose to associate with/support a vile man like this, so you need to wear the negativity from others that comes with your choice. I honestly cannot get my head around any woman voting for him.
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Post by terri on Nov 9, 2016 21:59:47 GMT
I don't really understand the outrage of Trump supporters on this thread. Leowife asked a question and many of us shared our honest feelings. What would you have us do, lie? No one went out of their way to call Trump supporters names, but surely we are able to share our feelings when someone asks for them. And as much as you may not like what our feelings are, they are still our feelings and we are entitled to them. No one would be happier than me if I didn't feel this way because it sucks feeling that people judge you and maybe even wish you didn't exist.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Nov 9, 2016 22:08:28 GMT
I don't really understand the outrage of Trump supporters on this thread. Leowife asked a question and many of us shared our honest feelings. What would you have us do, lie? No one went out of their way to call Trump supporters names, but surely we are able to share our feelings when someone asks for them. And as much as you may not like what our feelings are, they are still our feelings and we are entitled to them. No one would be happier than me if I didn't feel this way because it sucks feeling that people judge you and maybe even wish you didn't exist. And our feelings are just words (you know, just like 'fuck your feelings' was a huge thing for Trump rallies), words that we're using to express the dismay in what we expect to see DONE (actual, real harm) to people we love and care about. When people here legally start to be deported because of xenophobia, when women die because they can't get medically necessary abortions, when gays lose the rights they've been fighting for for decades IF the Republicans do what they want to do to people, words aren't going to mean much. We have a right and duty to show our outrage in disparate treatment of people in our communities and across the nation.
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Post by carly on Nov 9, 2016 22:08:57 GMT
Do Clinton supporters really think all Trump supporters are racist, uncaring, ignorant and the plethora of other hateful comments that has been stated about Trump supporters Technically I'm not a "Clinton supporter" because I'm not American and I don't vote, so I don't have to choose a side. That being said, yes, if you can vote for someone who has publically time and time again displayed those traits and beliefs such as racism, sexism, misogyny, who is a bully, who demeans women when he doesn't agree with them and time and time again reduces their value to simply how they look...then you must share/approve of those opinions. For heaven's sake this man said it's perfectly OK to grab "women by the pussy...and they let you do it if you are famous" if that doesn't repel you enough not to vote for this piece of crap then yes, you'll get tarred with the same brush as far as I'm concerned. You chose to associate with/support a vile man like this, so you need to wear the negativity from others that comes with your choice. I honestly cannot get my head around any woman voting for him. Maybe because we are smart enough to know people talk shit. If you really believe that Hillary has never said anything bad in her life then you are very sheltered. Yes he was caught on tape talking shit kinda like joe Biden saying "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" but that was ok because he was for obama. This woman voted for Trump and against Hillary.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 22:22:30 GMT
Thank you all for responding, both the good and the bad. Words on this board don't bother me they enlighten me. I voted where I needed to. The AMERICAN public has spoke and that is what counts. The majority of American was fed up of not being heard, let's ee what happensm
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Post by pjaye on Nov 9, 2016 22:25:34 GMT
So you freely admit that you elected someone who "talks shit"?...that doesn't make you very smart. This woman voted for Trump and against Hillary. Judging by how/what you post, I'm not the slightest bit surprised. Clearly the hat fits.
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Post by carly on Nov 9, 2016 22:31:39 GMT
So you freely admit that you elected someone who "talks shit"?...that doesn't make you very smart. This woman voted for Trump and against Hillary. Judging by how/what you post, I'm not the slightest bit surprised. Clearly the hat fits. The hat fits great! Attachments:
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Post by Clair on Nov 9, 2016 22:40:44 GMT
Thank you all for responding, both the good and the bad. Words on this board don't bother me they enlighten me. I voted where I needed to. The AMERICAN public has spoke and that is what counts. The majority of American was fed up of not being heard, let's ee what happensm
But....the majority AMERICANS didn't vote for him. Last I checked Hillary was ahead in the popular vote.
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Post by kibble on Nov 9, 2016 22:41:56 GMT
Personally, no I don't think that. However, I do think alot of his supporters are racist, sexist yes.
I personally feel like if someone could support Trump they just must not share much with me ethically, morally, socially, etc. I've never felt like that before about an election. I know of course there are some good people that must have voted for him (kind of like Trump saying some Mexicans, I suppose, are good people)
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 9, 2016 22:45:08 GMT
If you voted for Trump, you support or tolerate his hatred and bullying towards anyone unlike him. So yes, just by voting. I can't see any other way to explain it. If you (general you) don't support his hate filled rhetoric and bullying ways, how could you (general you) support his behaviour. Would you support or tolerate the same type of behaviour in anyone else in your life? And would you support the corruption, lying, law breaking, that Hillary represented? Would you tolerate you children leaving their friends to die and then telling you that it was some you tube videos fault? Would you tolerate your spouse sexually abusing women for decades and then help him cover it up and destroy those same women? Would you jump into an investment scheme that robbed elderly people of their life savings? Would you take money from people who execute gays and then pretend to be a friend of gays? Would you collect money under th guise of "earthquake relief" for poor blacks people and then keep that money and pay for your daughters $3million wedding? Because your vote for Hillary gives tacit approval to all this, and more. Trump said stupid things. Hillary actually committed crimes and destroyed lives. No contest. If you voted for Hillary, you support all theses behaviors. We know what Trump did. We know what he said. He said and did these things on tape. So every person can make their own judgements. Now here is where many Conservatives will say it's a double standard, and play the victim, refuse to accept the ACTUAL facts. Only the presumptive next President is on trial. ONLY HE has enough evidence to actually be going before a judge before the year is out. Until Hillary Clinton is CHARGED with a crime. Saying she actually committed a crime is a bold face lie. Personally I think many Trump supporters are LIARS. They know they are telling lies and spreading rumors and they don't give a damn. Your guy may have won. But you will be suffering the consequences just like the rest of us.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 9, 2016 22:47:15 GMT
I do not "accept" that any candidate lies or cheats. Nor do I condone it. It doesn't matter who else does it. Personally, I believed that Hillary's election meant more of the Obama presidency. I was not willing to vote for that. Or her. But yet you proudly voted for a man who has been caught on tape.. lying over and over and over again. Maybe you aren't a racist, I don't know but by association you are a liar.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 9, 2016 22:55:58 GMT
Given some of the sentiments I've seen from his supporters, yes, I do believe that a good chunk of his supporters are racist. Not necessarily towards blacks but towards anyone who is not a white Christian, especially Arabs and more so Muslims. Trump spoke to the segment that believe a good Muslim is a dead one. When he promised no more Muslims, they voted for him. I've seen this sentiment from "family." Do I believe things need to change? Yes. Do I believe Trump is going to bring that change? No. Did I believe Clinton was going to? Not entirely. I stand by my belief that any change Trump brings will do more harm than good. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see. it seems many just go on sound bites or what someone told them he said. I remember him saying he'd stop Muslims from coming to our country until we had something in place to vet them. We don't at this time. those I know who voted for him (including me) did because he promised to stop the rapid dump into our country of people from foreign countries - many which are ME and hate us. that includes coming over the southern border - with no way to check them in any way. not even for a disease that could spread thru our schools. There is no good reason to be so careless with the lives of Americans.
I've heard him called 'God's wrecking ball'. It took someone like him to break thru the far left/Clinton/Soros hold on our political system. Someone who wouldn't run for cover the minute the left started hurling their insults and lies at him. And they threw a lot at him. the tax thing - what HC didn't tell (Trump did tho) is that Clintons used the same tax break as do most of the super rich. They didn't put that in the code for us poor people. then the lies... like Reid. the girl he supposedly raped? I heard last week that was dropped. If it was true, it wouldn't have been dropped.
and you all are going to hold those things against him - but it's ok for Bill C? Trump set his jaw and held tight. HC said their foundation gives something like 90% of the money to help people? yes, Chelsea, themselves, their friends, donors etc. Their 2014 returns show 6% went to help the needy/poor. 90% or so went to their travel, meetings, salaries, fund raisers etc. And it 'supported' Chelsea for about 10 yrs. HC got 1M$ from Saudi A that she didn't account for... which reminds me - where's the 6M$ (or was it billion?) that went missing from the state dept while she was there? having her maid pull classified docs off of her home printer... she should not be around / have access to classified material.
Benghazi - no, she should never ever be CIC.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 22:56:55 GMT
Thank you all for responding, both the good and the bad. Words on this board don't bother me they enlighten me. I voted where I needed to. The AMERICAN public has spoke and that is what counts. The majority of American was fed up of not being heard, let's ee what happensm No, the majority did not vote for Trump. The majority voted for his opponent. He just got more electoral votes. ALL voters are Americans, not just the ones who voted your way.
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Post by jodibeth on Nov 9, 2016 22:57:04 GMT
Thank you all for responding, both the good and the bad. Words on this board don't bother me they enlighten me. I voted where I needed to. The AMERICAN public has spoke and that is what counts. The majority of American was fed up of not being heard, let's ee what happensm Even though he won, he did not win the majority. The majority voted for her...
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Nov 9, 2016 23:00:35 GMT
Hubby gave me a good perspective. With all the shit talking about nothing getting done, Republicans can't cry foul if they fuck up having this majority for the next 2 years. They will have no one to blame but themselves.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Nov 9, 2016 23:02:53 GMT
And someone mentioned they could not understand why Trump supporters were willing to look past his negatives and support him. Well, I am sure many feel the same about Hillary supporters. There is a large portion of the population that feels she is dishonest and the votes reflected that. That's why I have a hard time with this. Yes, he is crude. I'm not saying he's a role model. But, I can't for her either. Had I done the things she's done, my gov't clearance would have been stripped and I'd be in jail. Why am I supposed to look the other way for her?
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 9, 2016 23:04:31 GMT
I respect your stance in the issues you chose to vote, but how is a vote for someone who is also a lying cheater not at least a tacit acceptance of it? Taking the idea that Trump is a lying cheater at face value here, the options were between two lying cheaters or a non-viable candidate. How does wanting your vote to count tacit acceptance of all of that candidate's faults? Or, perhaps more importantly, Why is a vote for one candidate a tacit acceptance while a vote for the other is not? I guess I don't think of them as Frankenstein candidates were we pick and choose what we support, I throw my support behind them I'm condoning all their views/actions. And I don't understand the last part, anyone you pick is tacit acceptance to me. I don't think Hillary is an acceptable liar and Trump is a non acceptable liar, I think they are both liars, so it sort of cancels out and I chose based on other issues were there were differences.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 9, 2016 23:04:55 GMT
Just because you bully on this message board the "politically correct" way, doesn't make you any better. The people that voted Trump are tired of being shutdown with "you're racist, you're homophobic etc.". No I doubt he will do half of what he says but we sent a message, just because we don't think or believe what you do....well it makes us a deplorable and damn proud! She was asked a question and she answered honestly how she felt. That's communicating not bullying. I wasn't a Hillary fan, I understood people not voting for her, but I will never understand voting for someone who clearly expressed his hate of minorities, his sexual harassment, his treatment of workers and so forth. I think people who voted for Trump either agree with his beliefs or think they aren't that big of a deal. I've heard too many racist statements by Trump supporters to feel otherwise. I am distraught not because of Trump winning but because to me his winning represents people's beliefs. I no longer feel safe in the country I have loved my whole life. I don't want to live in a world like this. I think the same of those who voted for Clinton, Obama and HC. they're all that you accuse DT of and much more and worse.
millions of repubs haven't felt safe in the country they love for the past 8 yrs. that's why the high gun/ammo sales.
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Post by tincin on Nov 9, 2016 23:06:28 GMT
I feel that anyone and everyone who supported him has tacitly agreed with bullying, threatening, predatory behavior. That all of you believe that being a self admitted sexual predator is just fine. That you approve of sexism, racism, xenophobia, and homophobia. Any one of which eliminated any chance of him receiving my vote. So yes, I really feel that way. Well you're a narrow minded individual. I won't call you the horrible names you've called us. Thank you. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Those of you who looked the other way while this nasty man threatened, bullied, insulted and mocked damned near everyone but cisgendered white men and then voted him in are as guilty as he is of all of that. If being intolerant of this behavior makes me "a narrow minded individual" I will wear the title proudly and hope to be the reigning queen forever.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Nov 9, 2016 23:06:49 GMT
And someone mentioned they could not understand why Trump supporters were willing to look past his negatives and support him. Well, I am sure many feel the same about Hillary supporters. There is a large portion of the population that feels she is dishonest and the votes reflected that. That's why I have a hard time with this. Yes, he is crude. I'm not saying he's a role model. But, I can't for her either. Had I done the things she's done, my gov't clearance would have been stripped and I'd be in jail. Why am I supposed to look the other way for her? She was cleared of any criminal wrongdoing, so this is a factually incorrect statement.
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Post by carly on Nov 9, 2016 23:09:18 GMT
I do not "accept" that any candidate lies or cheats. Nor do I condone it. It doesn't matter who else does it. Personally, I believed that Hillary's election meant more of the Obama presidency. I was not willing to vote for that. Or her. But yet you proudly voted for a man who has been caught on tape.. lying over and over and over again. Maybe you aren't a racist, I don't know but by association you are a liar. That is exactly why Hillary lost. The liberals thought their smug, holier than thou ass could talk down, tell people how and who they have to like and tolerate. You lost, you shut people down with your shaming. It didn't work. I treat people, any race, any gender exactly how they treat me.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 9, 2016 23:10:16 GMT
Okay here's where I'm having an issue... Clinton supporters or non Trump supporters don't want us to not support Trump because of his negativity. But isn't that what you guys are doing right now toward us? It seems like as long as we aligned with what you believe and what you feel should go on in the world then that's what's most important. The whole point of America is for people to have different views, different insights, and different opinions. If everyone was the same and everyone believed the same thing this world would be very boring and we'd have no progress. I'd rather be an outlier than a sheep. I feel like you set us up. You didn't ask what Hillary supporters think Trump supporters views of progress are, you specifically asked if we thought they were racist/sexist/xenophobic etc. I think a man who brags about forceably grabbing women by the p*ssy or calls a candidate during a debate a "nasty woman" is sexist. I think a person who makes duragatory comments about other races is indeed racist, and a candidate who talks of excluding/expelling entire groups of people based on race/religion is indeed xenophobic. And yes, I think if you are willing to accept those qualities in a candidate even as a trade off for sone other issues, you are condoning the behavior. I'm answering your question of how I think, not spewing vitriol.
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