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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 23:13:43 GMT
I haven't read through all 6 pages, but I'm pretty disgusted at what I'm reading. (yes, I realize no one cares, that's fine)
What I find beyond ironic is some of what I'm reading here is no better than the words and attitude that you hate so much of DJT.
Like most hypocrisy in politics, many of you are no better than DJT.
PCA in 5....4....3....2....1
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 9, 2016 23:16:05 GMT
Taking the idea that Trump is a lying cheater at face value here, the options were between two lying cheaters or a non-viable candidate. How does wanting your vote to count tacit acceptance of all of that candidate's faults? Or, perhaps more importantly, Why is a vote for one candidate a tacit acceptance while a vote for the other is not? I guess I don't think of them as Frankenstein candidates were we pick and choose what we support, I throw my support behind them I'm condoning all their views/actions. And I don't understand the last part, anyone you pick is tacit acceptance to me. I don't think Hillary is an acceptable liar and Trump is a non acceptable liar, I think they are both liars, so it sort of cancels out and I chose based on other issues were there were differences. I have yet to meet the person of whom I can condone all of their views and actions. I have yet to see the candidate who is accurately portrayed in the mass media. Of course I pick and choose what I like about a candidate and what positions of their's I support.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 9, 2016 23:33:06 GMT
Can't imagine what will be going through President Obama as the first black President of the United States, when he has to hand over power to such a despicable human being in January. if that's the case, he'll think Trump is his white twin! but DBO is worse that Trump... DBO had/has a vile anti-American agenda.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 9, 2016 23:38:28 GMT
Can't imagine what will be going through President Obama as the first black President of the United States, when he has to hand over power to such a despicable human being in January. President Obama was gracious in his speech today. He emphasized that despite his differences with Donald Trump he was rooting for his success and just as George W Bush's team was professional and couldn't have been more helpful to ensure a smooth transition despite their differences - his team would do the same. I'm glad both he and Secretary Clinton chose to be gracious and emphasize our similarities instead of reiterating all of the ugly rhetoric we've been hearing for the last 18+ months. HCs was very nice (didn't hear DBOs). if she'd have talked like that and acted like that normally, she might have even won. that's not the normal HC tho... plus a lot of the Clinton skullduggery goes on behind the scenes / is hired out to others.
I did notice that today even her face looked more pleasant - not as hard and angry. And her tone was more pleasant sounding.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 9, 2016 23:51:37 GMT
Okay here's where I'm having an issue... Clinton supporters or non Trump supporters don't want us to not support Trump because of his negativity. But isn't that what you guys are doing right now toward us? It seems like as long as we aligned with what you believe and what you feel should go on in the world then that's what's most important. The whole point of America is for people to have different views, different insights, and different opinions. If everyone was the same and everyone believed the same thing this world would be very boring and we'd have no progress. I'd rather be an outlier than a sheep. I don't understand your point. It is the day after an upset election. YOU asked Clinton supporters a very bald question. And now you don't like the answers? I think that while there is nastiness on this thread, there is also a lot of frankness.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Nov 9, 2016 23:52:34 GMT
Can't imagine what will be going through President Obama as the first black President of the United States, when he has to hand over power to such a despicable human being in January. if that's the case, he'll think Trump is his white twin! but DBO is worse that Trump... DBO had/has a vile anti-American agenda.
Bull fucking shit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 23:54:36 GMT
Okay here's where I'm having an issue... Clinton supporters or non Trump supporters don't want us to not support Trump because of his negativity. But isn't that what you guys are doing right now toward us? It seems like as long as we aligned with what you believe and what you feel should go on in the world then that's what's most important. The whole point of America is for people to have different views, different insights, and different opinions. If everyone was the same and everyone believed the same thing this world would be very boring and we'd have no progress. I'd rather be an outlier than a sheep. I feel like you set us up. You didn't ask what Hillary supporters think Trump supporters views of progress are, you specifically asked if we thought they were racist/sexist/xenophobic etc. I think a man who brags about forceably grabbing women by the p*ssy or calls a candidate during a debate a "nasty woman" is sexist. I think a person who makes duragatory comments about other races is indeed racist, and a candidate who talks of excluding/expelling entire groups of people based on race/religion is indeed xenophobic. And yes, I think if you are willing to accept those qualities in a candidate even as a trade off for sone other issues, you are condoning the behavior. I'm answering your question of how I think, not spewing vitriol. My intent was not to discuss Clinton's policy, I've read all the nasty comment that have been made on this board and wanted to know if people really felt that way. Clinton's poltical were not the topic of this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 23:57:31 GMT
Okay here's where I'm having an issue... Clinton supporters or non Trump supporters don't want us to not support Trump because of his negativity. But isn't that what you guys are doing right now toward us? It seems like as long as we aligned with what you believe and what you feel should go on in the world then that's what's most important. The whole point of America is for people to have different views, different insights, and different opinions. If everyone was the same and everyone believed the same thing this world would be very boring and we'd have no progress. I'd rather be an outlier than a sheep. I don't understand your point. It is the day after an upset election. YOU asked Clinton supporters a very bald question. And now you don't like the answers? I think that while there is nastiness on this thread, there is also a lot of frankness.
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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2016 23:59:14 GMT
We've endured a year of insults toward women and all kinds of minorities from this candidate, and half the population went into the voting booth and said, yes! We agree!
It feels, honestly, like a punch in the face.
I don't know too many people who react graciously to a sudden, sharp and unexpected punch. That's what you're getting right now. And then to have that same half of the population say, c'mon, you're being a baby, we all need to come together now.
Dude, you just punched me in the face. You also punched my family and my friends. I'm not ready to stand up and shake your hand just yet. You're going to have to deal with me being angry for a while, and today I frankly don't care if you don't like it.
Maybe Clinton supporters didn't realize how deeply divided the country really was, but I can tell you all right now that Trump supporters don't seem to realize how personal this election was for many of us, and how deeply felt the loss is. This is not just a matter of political difference.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 10, 2016 0:04:52 GMT
President Obama was gracious in his speech today. He emphasized that despite his differences with Donald Trump he was rooting for his success and just as George W Bush's team was professional and couldn't have been more helpful to ensure a smooth transition despite their differences - his team would do the same. I'm glad both he and Secretary Clinton chose to be gracious and emphasize our similarities instead of reiterating all of the ugly rhetoric we've been hearing for the last 18+ months. HCs was very nice (didn't hear DBOs). if she'd have talked like that and acted like that normally, she might have even won. that's not the normal HC tho... plus a lot of the Clinton skullduggery goes on behind the scenes / is hired out to others.
I did notice that today even her face looked more pleasant - not as hard and angry. And her tone was more pleasant sounding.
She smiled more ..... and wore a pretty color. SMDH
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Post by trollie on Nov 10, 2016 0:06:36 GMT
I feel that anyone and everyone who supported him has tacitly agreed with bullying, threatening, predatory behavior. That all of you believe that being a self admitted sexual predator is just fine. That you approve of sexism, racism, xenophobia, and homophobia. Any one of which eliminated any chance of him receiving my vote. So yes, I really feel that way. ..my guess is a good majority of Berners voted for Trump instead of falling "in line behind Hillary" (not to mention the legion of Independents who were also Sanders supporters). No effin way did Bernie supporters go Trump. Some probably went 3rd party, but Berners are so vastly different than Trump supporters that this would be nearly impossible.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 10, 2016 0:07:10 GMT
We've endured a year of insults toward women and all kinds of minorities from this candidate, and half the population went into the voting booth and said, yes! We agree! It feels, honestly, like a punch in the face. I don't know too many people who react graciously to a sudden, sharp and unexpected punch. That's what you're getting right now. And then to have that same half of the population say, c'mon, you're being a baby, we all need to come together now. Dude, you just punched me in the face. You also punched my family and my friends. I'm not ready to stand up and shake your hand just yet. You're going to have to deal with me being angry for a while, and today I frankly don't care if you don't like it. Maybe Clinton supporters didn't realize how deeply divided the country really was, but I can tell you all right now that Trump supporters don't seem to realize how personal this election was for many of us, and how deeply felt the loss is. This is not just a matter of political difference. Every single person I spoke today said something similar. This was deep this was personal. This was more than winning or losing. I feel like I am grieving. Not the loss of a person, not that HRC lost the race, but what I thought it meant to be an American.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 10, 2016 0:07:54 GMT
Do Clinton supporters really think all Trump supporters are racist, uncaring, ignorant and the plethora of other hateful comments that has been stated about Trump supporters? Please, I know many of you are upset, but to sit here and make any statements that Trump supporters are bastards,ignorant, uneducated or racists lumps everyone into the same basket. All things I have seen written here, main reason I have stayed away from voicing why I support Trump. So is that really how you feel? I think some very nice people voted Republican for a number of reasons and are, whether they like it or not, sitting in the basket with the deplorables, because the deplorables believe you are one of them. You can sit to one side of the basket and claim to be "better" but it is hard for those on the outside to figure out who is who. Some do make it easier proudly wearing Trump that Bitch and other similar logos. Honestly, I have more respect for Republicans who weren't able to vote for Trump than those that held their nose and now are trying to separate themselves as a nondeplorable. Yes, this is how I really feel and I'm not saying this with anger or malice. aveSaveSaveSaveand you know for sure that those t-shirts were printed and sold/given away by the Trump campaign?
I can gladly say that I didn't hold my nose to vote for Trump. While I was refusing to even vote this yr, a few weeks ago I changed my mind and was happy to vote for him yesterday.
I've been listening/watching unnormal news... not the abc's or even Fox. These others had a whole different view on Trump - and that not voting would give HC the vote... and the goal was to save our country, not date him or even have him to dinner... and it isn't just our country at stake. It's Israel and our other friends out there that DBO has treated like crap for yrs. It's our economy, our debt, the freebies that cause people to lose their pride and self worth, lack of jobs - and OBC. and other things. HC would be a continuation of DBO - probably on steroids. The more I heard about the DT they knew (many spending hr after hr with him as he flew around the country day after day). the repub platform vs the dem's platform counts in a HUGE way. (they can be googled to read)
Did I post the article by Jim Garlow? google it. I can't get the link to post.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 10, 2016 0:14:46 GMT
DH has just been listening to a Youtuber who made a point that resonated with me: "Not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist bigot. But all the racist bigots certainly voted for Trump." However much one might say they support Trump for his views on the economy, or his business acumen, if I hear someone say "political correctness has made us weak" then I will interpret that as wanting to go back to a time of political incorrectness. A time which was racist, sexist and hateful towards minorities and LGBTQ. Being politically incorrect does not make a person or a nation strong. I understand his anti-establishment appeal (to a point). I understand voting for change. I understand voting for Republican values, even if they aren't values that I share. But going back to the quote from Youtube...this election result has validated all those bigots. It has told them that it is OK to be loud and proud about being racist, sexist, homophobic and abuse the disabled. And you can't shut that hate away. if it tells anyone that, their ears were already fried...
these things you listed can be told to be ok by others like either Clinton, DBO/MO, their friends, JZ, Beyoncé, their other many celebrity friends. Even by the huge number of peas who so often display these things here.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Nov 10, 2016 0:19:36 GMT
..my guess is a good majority of Berners voted for Trump instead of falling "in line behind Hillary" (not to mention the legion of Independents who were also Sanders supporters). No effin way did Bernie supporters go Trump. Some probably went 3rd party, but Berners are so vastly different than Trump supporters that this would be nearly impossible. Hubs was very against Clinton and caucused for Bernie (he still says feel the bern if he can fit it into conversation somewhere). He most certainly voted for Clinton and is just as hurt and shocked as people who supported her straight out of the gates. While this is possible, I seriously wouldn't bet on it. I think it was a case of uneducated whites showing up in droves because they had someone they could relate to but minorities didn't feel that same connection with Hillary they way they did with Obama and they weren't incentivized to vote as a result. This is partly why I feel like there really needs to be an entrance exam to be able to exercise your right to vote. It will weed out the people who are running to the polls because they were pandered to or relate to the president and leave us with people who actually know how the system works and want to make an educated decision. It would eliminate this whole idea of 'whoever gets xyz demographic' this year as it pertains to non identical gendered and/or raced candidates as the final say only to realize at the end of it all, they aren't going to show up next election if you don't have the same type of candidate running.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 0:19:56 GMT
How do I feel?
Totally shock.
I grew up with trump's dirty, underhanded, cheating wormessness( not a word but I am making it one) way of doing business. Everything that he does is to make himself pleased. Get an apartment building condemed to get a nicer view , why the hell not! Cheat on taxes, who is going to stop him? For the life of me I have no clue how a person that grew up in New York State during the eighty's knowing about all of trump's disasters could honestly vote for him.
Now I do realize that trump is going to be president in name only, and pence/ Ryan will be the ones running the country, but did the trump voters want really that?
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Post by peano on Nov 10, 2016 0:22:43 GMT
Do Clinton supporters really think all Trump supporters are racist, uncaring, ignorant and the plethora of other hateful comments that has been stated about Trump supporters? I think there are two options (or a combination of the two) when it comes to those who voted for Trump. And by the way, these are not "hateful comments" as you say. They are observations made after hearing your boy's own words, and noting that you don't apparently have a problem with anything he's said since you voted for him, which tacitly supports what he says, which puts you in collusion with him. The hateful comments are ALL on your side baby. Hope you can live with it. Step up, own up. Take responsibility for your actions and stop your fucking whining. Just because your guy is a sociopath and a liar doesn't mean you have to lie to yourself about what your actions mean.
1. As you said, they are racist and uncaring (and you didn't say this but I'm going to quote Patton Oswalt: "What I've learned so far tonight: America is WAAAAAAAAY more sexist than it is racist. And it's pretty fucking racist.") Oh, and what else did we forget: anti-semitic, xenophobic, LGBT-phobic, intolerant of people with disabilities. I know I'm missing some but there're so many I've heard this election cycle out of his foul mouth, I just can't contain them all in my purty little head.
2. And/or they are ignorant, and have learned nothing from the lessons of history, and/or they are not smart enough to realize that Trump's "plan" is an illusion built on swagger and bullshit with a crap ton of narcissism thrown in, and/or they fail to understand or are in some way delusional that their boy is going to wave a magic wand and all handouts that "those people" are receiving will magically stop. Grow up. It's time to leave the fairy tales of youth behind. Our government is a complex monolith and there are no quick fixes, despite what your boy would have you believe. "He alone" will not fix it. Of course it needs change. God yes, it needs streamlining. But to hitch your horse to a wagon full of sewage is just adding one problem on top of another. Your vote has left us on a runaway train and there's no conductor at the wheel.
I voted for Trump, he was my choice , do I agree with everything he believes in GOD no, does he have the power to do everything he wants, probably not. He spoke to me for several reason... the main one is to stop the handouts. I'm sick of seeing social programs being abused. I'm sick of my family working hard and supporting those that don't. I think we need a major shake up, being so politically correct has made our nation weak. There is a difference between being polite and being weak and I think this is where Trump resonates with the country. Do I think we should go back to the good old days, god no but do I think we need to re-evaluate our foreign policies/aid, our government aid here in America & our support for those that defend us ( military, LEO and etc...)... yes. We need to bring back jobs, re-build communities and help Americans stand on their own and get off government assistance. Please, I know many of you are upset, but to sit here and make any statements that Trump supporters are bastards,ignorant, uneducated or racists lumps everyone into the same basket. All things I have seen written here, main reason I have stayed away from voicing why I support Trump. So is that really how you feel?
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 10, 2016 0:25:09 GMT
..my guess is a good majority of Berners voted for Trump instead of falling "in line behind Hillary" (not to mention the legion of Independents who were also Sanders supporters). No effin way did Bernie supporters go Trump. Some probably went 3rd party, but Berners are so vastly different than Trump supporters that this would be nearly impossible. You forget, there are a lot of disenfranchised Independents (who were fervent Sanders supporters) who know that a vote for Trump is also a vote against the corporates, the banks, the elites, wall street, career politicians...in a word, the Establishment. You forget there are "Burn it down" Berners and you can bet they voted for Trump - not because they agreed with him, but because they were pissed off enough to want to take down the system that screwed them.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 10, 2016 0:26:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 0:31:15 GMT
Okay here's where I'm having an issue... Clinton supporters or non Trump supporters don't want us to not support Trump because of his negativity. But isn't that what you guys are doing right now toward us? It seems like as long as we aligned with what you believe and what you feel should go on in the world then that's what's most important. The whole point of America is for people to have different views, different insights, and different opinions. If everyone was the same and everyone believed the same thing this world would be very boring and we'd have no progress. I'd rather be an outlier than a sheep.Thank your for confirming my fear that your question was not genuine but just an opportunity for you to continue the divisiveness and rub salt in the wounds of those who wanted to believe that so much of our citizenry really wouldn't vote for hate speak to triumph yesterday. Save
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Post by Merge on Nov 10, 2016 0:33:09 GMT
And I posted that exact article to my FB, and am getting pushback from my conservative sister (who didn't vote for Trump, but feels compelled to defend those who did for some reason) that it's all wrong and I'm not allowed to feel that way. Too bad. Your right to vote is just that, a right to vote, not a right for everyone else to be perfectly happy with your choice when the dust settles.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 10, 2016 0:33:22 GMT
I'd rather be an outlier than a sheep. Thank your for confirming my fear that your question was not genuine but just an opportunity for you to continue the divisiveness and rub salt in the wounds of those who believed that our citizenry believed that hate and cruelty would not triumph yesterday. Hey, I didn't say that; the OP did.
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Post by shescrafty on Nov 10, 2016 0:35:05 GMT
The way I truly feel? Sad I went to bed crying and woke up and cried again.
I cried for my family members who are gay and trans-gender. I cried for my family members who came from another country-especially my mom from Mexico and my children adopted internationally. I cried for the new Syrian refugee family at our school who finally has his children in a school where they are loved and more importantly safe. I cried for people who haven't had pre-existing conditions allow insurance companies to deny them coverage. I cried for so many women who have been sexually assaulted and now have a president that has bragged about doing it.
I cried because of the message that is being sent to those I listed above-that you are not good enough, not straight enough, not white enough, not healthy enough, and not a man enough to be important or equal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 0:36:22 GMT
Thank your for confirming my fear that your question was not genuine but just an opportunity for you to continue the divisiveness and rub salt in the wounds of those who believed that our citizenry believed that hate and cruelty would not triumph yesterday. Hey, I didn't say that; the OP did. Mollycoddle, I know and I am so sorry. When I quoted, it put your info there. I have deleted the quote that makes it look like you said that. Truly did not mean to make that mistake. Save
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 10, 2016 0:36:35 GMT
And I posted that exact article to my FB, and am getting pushback from my conservative sister (who didn't vote for Trump, but feels compelled to defend those who did for some reason) that it's all wrong and I'm not allowed to feel that way. Too bad. Your right to vote is just that, a right to vote, not a right for everyone else to be perfectly happy with your choice when the dust settles. Very powerful and true. I don't recognize this America. I hope that it's temporary.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 10, 2016 0:37:31 GMT
Hey, I didn't say that; the OP did. Mollycoddle, I know and I am so sorry. When I quoted, it put your info there. I have deleted the quote that makes it look like you said that. Truly did not mean to make that mistake. SaveIt's ok; we're all good.
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Post by trollie on Nov 10, 2016 0:41:51 GMT
I did not read through all 6 pages, but YES, I think you (general you Trump voters) are either grossly misinformed or you must support racism, misogyny, the pussy grabbing of women just because you (again general you) can, antisemitism, xenophobia, homophobia, the intolerance of people with disabilities and just flat out bullying in general.
I do agree with you that our government needs a shake up, but Trump is not the answer. Not even close. He is the most divisive candidate I have ever seen and has brought out the worst in ppl. His victory speech was too little, too late and NOTHHING like his campaign persona. Some of his most vitriolic supporters must be thinking WTF?
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Post by PNWMom on Nov 10, 2016 0:43:56 GMT
This is exactly the reason Trump won. This victim, bullshit big white scary boogieman. I bet you and your husband live in a nice house, make a good salary, go out and not a damn white person bothers you or your husband. Nobody that I personally know of thinks or says "let's hold down the blacks, gays and women". Get out of here with that bull shit. STOP being a victim. I am a woman and the ONLY woman in my job, there is no other women that have applied, I make more than most of the men I work with. Be proud of who you are, if you fail try again it's not the white boogieman's fault. Yes, my husband and I live in a nice house and make great salaries. We work very hard for that, as people who both grew up in extreme poverty. But sadly enough no.....'not a damn white person bothers you or your husband'. Even in Seattle, racism exists. Let me guess--you are a white woman married to a white man living in the middle of bumfuck nowhere in a white neighborhood with white people. You have no basis to understand my reality. You and people like you who voted for Trump are part of the problem. You don't want to think of yourself as racist (who would??), but.........if the shoe fits.
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Post by tincin on Nov 10, 2016 0:44:46 GMT
How very sad that you accept this type of behavior and see nothing wrong with it. Not nearly as sad as you and all of cheeto's other fans tacitly agreeing with his behavior. Save
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Post by tincin on Nov 10, 2016 0:47:54 GMT
If you voted for Trump, you support or tolerate his hatred and bullying towards anyone unlike him. So yes, just by voting. I can't see any other way to explain it. If you (general you) don't support his hate filled rhetoric and bullying ways, how could you (general you) support his behaviour. Would you support or tolerate the same type of behaviour in anyone else in your life? And would you support the corruption, lying, law breaking, that Hillary represented? Would you tolerate you children leaving their friends to die and then telling you that it was some you tube videos fault? Would you tolerate your spouse sexually abusing women for decades and then help him cover it up and destroy those same women? Would you jump into an investment scheme that robbed elderly people of their life savings? Would you take money from people who execute gays and then pretend to be a friend of gays? Would you collect money under th guise of "earthquake relief" for poor blacks people and then keep that money and pay for your daughters $3million wedding? Because your vote for Hillary gives tacit approval to all this, and more. Trump said stupid things. Hillary actually committed crimes and destroyed lives. No contest. If you voted for Hillary, you support all theses behaviors. I must have missed the news of her convictions, do you have a source for those? You know, the convictions for breaking laws? Save
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