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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 17:47:39 GMT
Ironically, Alexander Hamilton supported the electoral college in the Federalist Papers (#68). Haven't read the whole thread, so mea culpa if this was mentioned before.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 20, 2016 18:01:01 GMT
Trump needs to get some big girl panties, stat. This is going to be four very long years for him. Forget pantsuits, we need big girl panties!!
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Post by flute4peace on Nov 20, 2016 18:05:21 GMT
I think this was completely unprofessional of the company. I'm assuming they still took his money? As an audience member, Pence or not, I'd want a refund if I didn't get the same show all other audiences get. It was the same show they came out after the show and addressed him. They show is political, it's creative team is political. Art is political. I thought they handled it with class and yet spoke their truth. If he didn't hear it last night.. he sure will have heard it today. Art will make a difference. Art and music often precede change. After ruminating on this for a couole of days now, and seeing the video a few times, I've softened my opinion on this and am now leaning more toward what you have said here. While I still question the appropriateness of the venue, I think what they said was well thought-out and I applaud them for taking a stand in their own (peaceful) way. So I'm on the fence I guess.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 20, 2016 18:18:45 GMT
It was the same show they came out after the show and addressed him. They show is political, it's creative team is political. Art is political. I thought they handled it with class and yet spoke their truth. If he didn't hear it last night.. he sure will have heard it today. Art will make a difference. Art and music often precede change. After ruminating on this for a couole of days now, and seeing the video a few times, I've softened my opinion on this and am now leaning more toward what you have said here. While I still question the appropriateness of the venue, I think what they said was well thought-out and I applaud them for taking a stand in their own (peaceful) way. So I'm on the fence I guess. Isn't that what is beautiful about this place and the freedom of speech. Everything doesn't have to be black or white, we can choose what matters to us and what we agree/disagree with.
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Post by darkchami on Nov 20, 2016 18:32:35 GMT
It was the same show they came out after the show and addressed him. They show is political, it's creative team is political. Art is political. I thought they handled it with class and yet spoke their truth. If he didn't hear it last night.. he sure will have heard it today. Art will make a difference. Art and music often precede change. After ruminating on this for a couole of days now, and seeing the video a few times, I've softened my opinion on this and am now leaning more toward what you have said here. While I still question the appropriateness of the venue, I think what they said was well thought-out and I applaud them for taking a stand in their own (peaceful) way. So I'm on the fence I guess. The fence isn't a bad place to be. I am in support of the cast. I have read over and over again about how it wasn't the right venue. However, they had a unique opportunity. They essentially had a face to face with the Vice President elect. Had they remained silent, that opportunity would probably never present itself again. Sure they could write letters, send emails, or even give interviews to share their thoughts. Those things will never have the same impact as directly telling someone how they feel. The actors didn't ruin the show. They didn't create a hostile space. And they certainly didn't "attack" Pence as I have read elsewhere. They took the time after the show to voice their feelings.
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Post by gardengoddess on Nov 20, 2016 18:49:19 GMT
Maybe someone aka anyone but me should start a Trump's Tweets perpetual thread so we can see how many pages it gets to in four years. However, I'm afraid that the members that are upset about political threads might blow a gasket at seeing it forever on the front page because from the behavior we're witnessing now, unless someone can rein his ass in, will give those of us interested plenty of fodder for that thread.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 20, 2016 19:03:55 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. I am Christian and have never felt disrespected or dismissed here. Of course, I am a Christian who believes belng gay is not a sin or against the bible. Not all Christians believe going gay is a sin. Not all Christians are against marriage equality. I am also a Democrat, as is most of my family. Most of us are also church going Christians as well. Please don't confuse politically conservativeness with Christianity. Please don't confuse bigotry with Christianity. You can be Christian and support and believe in marriage equality. God determines who is a Christian. Those who follow the Son. His word says the gay lifestyle is a sin. It isn't something a Christian makes up, He is very clear about it.
going to a 'church' building doesn't make anyone a Christian. God changing the heart does that. We all have a choice, to follow God or follow the world.
the dem platform does not support God. It supports things that are against God and His word.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 19:18:05 GMT
I am Christian and have never felt disrespected or dismissed here. Of course, I am a Christian who believes belng gay is not a sin or against the bible. Not all Christians believe going gay is a sin. Not all Christians are against marriage equality. I am also a Democrat, as is most of my family. Most of us are also church going Christians as well. Please don't confuse politically conservativeness with Christianity. Please don't confuse bigotry with Christianity. You can be Christian and support and believe in marriage equality. God determines who is a Christian. Those who follow the Son. His word says the gay lifestyle is a sin. It isn't something a Christian makes up, He is very clear about it.
going to a 'church' building doesn't make anyone a Christian. God changing the heart does that. We all have a choice, to follow God or follow the world.
the dem platform does not support God. It supports things that are against God and His word.
So is adultery. So is greed. Funny how people pick and choose which sins they rail on about.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 20, 2016 19:22:37 GMT
it's ok for the left to do those things... not for the repubs tho. Is that really the best justification you have? Do you ever stop and think, "Huh. That's a good point. It isn't OK." Is Trump really the guy that you want to hang your Christian hat on? Really? This is the part I find absolutely confusing. I've had several people I know in real life who have insisted that Trump is a God-fearing Christian who believes in the same things that I believe in. They twist and turn words and bring up HRC/democrats all the time. Do you really, honestly, truly support Donald Trump and all that he says? He certainly wasn't my first choice. Then, as a Christian, have you read Jim Garlow's article? It changed me from anti Trump to pro Trump.
yes... and no. supporting him doesn't mean I support ALL that he says.
He's the one God has put in place for this time, and for a reason.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 20, 2016 19:27:45 GMT
and it's the constitutional right of Christians to believe in God and 'take things up with Him' and follow Him and His words.
but, if you're questioning what He says, then you need to take it up with Him.
and as I already posted... the dems should just keep it up. It caused a major dem upheaval in the election recently.
Going by that thinking, Sharia Law should be acceptable to you as well. how's that? does our constitution support Sharia law? does God support Sharia law? was the election upheaval because of Sharia law?
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Post by Skypea on Nov 20, 2016 19:32:30 GMT
God determines who is a Christian. Those who follow the Son. His word says the gay lifestyle is a sin. It isn't something a Christian makes up, He is very clear about it.
going to a 'church' building doesn't make anyone a Christian. God changing the heart does that. We all have a choice, to follow God or follow the world.
the dem platform does not support God. It supports things that are against God and His word.
So is adultery. So is greed. Funny how people pick and choose which sins they rail on about. yes, they are and I don't support those either.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Nov 20, 2016 20:02:22 GMT
Going by that thinking, Sharia Law should be acceptable to you as well. how's that? does our constitution support Sharia law? does God support Sharia law? was the election upheaval because of Sharia law?
It is the constitutional right of Muslims to believe in Allah. Etcetera.
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 20, 2016 20:47:11 GMT
I am Christian and have never felt disrespected or dismissed here. Of course, I am a Christian who believes belng gay is not a sin or against the bible. Not all Christians believe going gay is a sin. Not all Christians are against marriage equality. I am also a Democrat, as is most of my family. Most of us are also church going Christians as well. Please don't confuse politically conservativeness with Christianity. Please don't confuse bigotry with Christianity. You can be Christian and support and believe in marriage equality. God determines who is a Christian. Those who follow the Son. His word says the gay lifestyle is a sin. It isn't something a Christian makes up, He is very clear about it.
going to a 'church' building doesn't make anyone a Christian. God changing the heart does that. We all have a choice, to follow God or follow the world.
the dem platform does not support God. It supports things that are against God and His word.
Your interpretation of the Bible may say that the gay lifestyle is sin. There are many who disagree. I know I can't change your mind, but I know in my heart what I believe and that I follow God and try my best to live my life to be worthy of the sacrifice Jesus made for all people. Oh my gravy! I just want to clarify I did not mean to type "going gay" I was on my antiquated IPad last night and meant "being gay". I cannot believe I was not called out on that- but please know I don't think for two seconds anyone "goes gay". Good gravy marie!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 21:05:32 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. I am Christian and have never felt disrespected or dismissed here. Of course, I am a Christian who believes belng gay is not a sin or against the bible. Not all Christians believe going gay is a sin. Not all Christians are against marriage equality. I am also a Democrat, as is most of my family. Most of us are also church going Christians as well. Please don't confuse politically conservativeness with Christianity. Please don't confuse bigotry with Christianity. You can be Christian and support and believe in marriage equality. Many seem to be forgetting the wedding in my profile pic. The one where my daughter married her wife this past summer? The one we supported with our presence, our time and our money.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 21:11:30 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. You know what I hope you won't do? Hide behind your belief that you are a better Christian than those of us who disagree with you. I'm a left wing liberal nut - Christian liberal nut. My Bible is your Bible. My God is your God. While my interpretation of those two things might vary we are on the same team. So while you may have something to say about conservatives, please don't play the I'm a better Christian game and therefore you are being persecuted. I also do not believe it is a fraction... Now, I'm only going off my FB feed but out of the Trump supporters on there - at least 75% I'd say at least 65% are "idiots" based on THEIR words. That is frightening to me. Yet another example. I have NEVER said or done anything here that would even hint at claiming to be a better Christian than any other.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Nov 20, 2016 21:12:50 GMT
Maybe someone aka anyone but me should start a Trump's Tweets perpetual thread so we can see how many pages it gets to in four years. However, I'm afraid that the members that are upset about political threads might blow a gasket at seeing it forever on the front page because from the behavior we're witnessing now, unless someone can rein his ass in, will give those of us interested plenty of fodder for that thread. I'd think a single thread to keep track of the "Presidential" Tweets would be far less intrusive (for those who feel the political threads are being intrusive) than multiple threads about multiple tweets, day in and day out. Cuz we know there are going to be tweets day in and day out. SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 21:14:18 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. I'm Christian. Evangelical, even. I don't feel unwelcome. But I also don't think Trump or even Pence represents what I believe. If they represent what you believe and you can't articulate a defense, that has less to do with this community and more to do with the moral dilemma that supporting Trump has created for those who believe in Jesus. And never have I said I support the man on any level. My Christian views made it impossible for me to even consider supporting him at any stage of the election cycle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 21:16:27 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. So is this an official hair flip? Call it whatever you like.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 21:23:20 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. Notice how it seems to be conservatives who are bailing? The liberals have stuck here after years of being belittled and being told how stupid, uneducated and just "liberal" we are as if we are the dregs of society. I don't think anyone is silencing anyone's opinions. It's a message board--one should expect any opinions, comments etc. to be commented on. Our opinions are just as valid as yours. It is seemingly becoming clear to me that the leaving here might be more of an intolerance issue I believe there is no example of my displaying intolerance in the many years I've been on this board. I have no regrets for anything I've said here, except for way way back in the day when I was a neophyte in the ways of forums and got too wound up a time or two, responding in ways that would have been better left unsaid. I learned my lesson and became a better person and forum member for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 21:30:04 GMT
I am Christian and have never felt disrespected or dismissed here. Of course, I am a Christian who believes belng gay is not a sin or against the bible. Not all Christians believe going gay is a sin. Not all Christians are against marriage equality. I am also a Democrat, as is most of my family. Most of us are also church going Christians as well. Please don't confuse politically conservativeness with Christianity. Please don't confuse bigotry with Christianity. You can be Christian and support and believe in marriage equality. Many seem to be forgetting the wedding in my profile pic. The one where my daughter married her wife this past summer? The one we supported with our presence, our time and our money. That's not even at issue. But since you brought it up, many also remember your harsh words and "Christian" attitude towards homosexuals before your daughter came out to you as gay. But I do commend you for continuing to love and support her after she was brave enough to tell you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 21:35:29 GMT
Notice how it seems to be conservatives who are bailing? The liberals have stuck here after years of being belittled and being told how stupid, uneducated and just "liberal" we are as if we are the dregs of society. I don't think anyone is silencing anyone's opinions. It's a message board--one should expect any opinions, comments etc. to be commented on. Our opinions are just as valid as yours. It is seemingly becoming clear to me that the leaving here might be more of an intolerance issue I believe there is no example of my displaying intolerance in the many years I've been on this board. I have no regrets for anything I've said here, except for way way back in the day when I was a neophyte in the ways of forums and got too wound up a time or two, responding in ways that would have been better left unsaid. I learned my lesson and became a better person and forum member for it. Conveniently for you, the 2peas archives are unavailable. But since it appears you have joined the ranks of those looking for an echo chamber, best of luck to you.
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Post by redhead32 on Nov 20, 2016 21:43:53 GMT
Is that really the best justification you have? Do you ever stop and think, "Huh. That's a good point. It isn't OK." Is Trump really the guy that you want to hang your Christian hat on? Really? This is the part I find absolutely confusing. I've had several people I know in real life who have insisted that Trump is a God-fearing Christian who believes in the same things that I believe in. They twist and turn words and bring up HRC/democrats all the time. Do you really, honestly, truly support Donald Trump and all that he says? He certainly wasn't my first choice. Then, as a Christian, have you read Jim Garlow's article? It changed me from anti Trump to pro Trump.
yes... and no. supporting him doesn't mean I support ALL that he says.
He's the one God has put in place for this time, and for a reason.
Jim Garlow's article did not convince me of anything. I disagree that democrats cannot be Christian. I fail to see how Repubs can claim a lock on Christianity when the essential part of loving Jesus is loving others. And as a Christian, I firmly and strongly support the separation of church and state. I feel like this argument about platforms boils down to an argument of how to live the Great Commission. I try to evangelize and save the lost by my words and actions, not forcing them to come into compliance by legislation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 21:47:03 GMT
So is adultery. So is greed. Funny how people pick and choose which sins they rail on about. yes, they are and I don't support those either.
Cool. Let's start w/not allowing adulterers to marry the person w/whom they committed adultery. There are loads more adulterers than LGBT people. Let's start w/the meaty part of the curve and work into the tails. So, for a start, Trump, McCain, Giuliani. I mean adultery is a sin Jesus actually spoke against directly.
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 21, 2016 0:52:08 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. Many seem to be forgetting the wedding in my profile pic. The one where my daughter married her wife this past summer? The one we supported with our presence, our time and our money. And never have I said I support the man on any level. My Christian views made it impossible for me to even consider supporting him at any stage of the election cycle. Notice how it seems to be conservatives who are bailing? The liberals have stuck here after years of being belittled and being told how stupid, uneducated and just "liberal" we are as if we are the dregs of society. I don't think anyone is silencing anyone's opinions. It's a message board--one should expect any opinions, comments etc. to be commented on. Our opinions are just as valid as yours. It is seemingly becoming clear to me that the leaving here might be more of an intolerance issueSo we just lost a pea who is the supportive mother of a lesbian daughter. She didn't like how a statement in a play was handled and she was intolerant. Unbelievable. She was smart for leaving. It's really sad this is where the political threads have gone.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 21, 2016 1:15:46 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. Many seem to be forgetting the wedding in my profile pic. The one where my daughter married her wife this past summer? The one we supported with our presence, our time and our money. And never have I said I support the man on any level. My Christian views made it impossible for me to even consider supporting him at any stage of the election cycle. Notice how it seems to be conservatives who are bailing? The liberals have stuck here after years of being belittled and being told how stupid, uneducated and just "liberal" we are as if we are the dregs of society. I don't think anyone is silencing anyone's opinions. It's a message board--one should expect any opinions, comments etc. to be commented on. Our opinions are just as valid as yours. It is seemingly becoming clear to me that the leaving here might be more of an intolerance issueSo we just lost a pea who is the supportive mother of a lesbian daughter. She didn't like how a statement in a play was handled and she was intolerant. Unbelievable. She was smart for leaving. It's really sad this is where the political threads have gone. You can cherry pick people and apply random comments to them to make a point, however, in no way shape or form will you assign my words to shit like that. I was not even anywhere near saying that or speaking about that one particular pea being intolerant, for those reasons. I was speaking of those conservatives who ripped down those who didn't think like them politically, who were always sanctimonious, then left. It pisses me off to no end to have what I wrote be twisted to make it look like something else. If you read anything about me in past posts, you would know with 100% certainty that I would never ever say anything even remotely close to what you applied to my statement about a mother supporting a lesbian daughter.
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Post by Merge on Nov 21, 2016 1:49:36 GMT
I'm confused. This is Murphy 's first post on this thread: And here is the second one, the sort of hairflip. Does this strike anyone else as a huge overreaction? How did we get from a few people booing Pence and a polite address to him by the cast to "my views aren't welcome here?" Murphy, you've said you didn't vote for Trump. You obviously feel strongly that neither the audience nor the cast should have addressed, Pence in any way, but how did their doing that, and our disagreement with your opinion, turn into "conservatives and Christians not allowed here?" I'm honestly curious because I don't see it. Do people have to agree with you in order for you to feel welcome?
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 21, 2016 1:54:48 GMT
I'm confused. This is Murphy 's first post on this thread: And here is the second one, the sort of hairflip. Does this strike anyone else as a huge overreaction? How did we get from a few people booing Pence and a polite address to him by the cast to "my views aren't welcome here?" Murphy, you've said you didn't vote for Trump. You obviously feel strongly that neither the audience nor the cast should have addressed, Pence in any way, but how did their doing that, and our disagreement with your opinion, turn into "conservatives and Christians not allowed here?" I'm honestly curious because I don't see it. Do people have to agree with you in order for you to feel welcome? Honestly, .I was puzzled by that as well. People seemed to be disagreeing with her, which happens all of the time here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 3:57:33 GMT
At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. Many seem to be forgetting the wedding in my profile pic. The one where my daughter married her wife this past summer? The one we supported with our presence, our time and our money. And never have I said I support the man on any level. My Christian views made it impossible for me to even consider supporting him at any stage of the election cycle. Notice how it seems to be conservatives who are bailing? The liberals have stuck here after years of being belittled and being told how stupid, uneducated and just "liberal" we are as if we are the dregs of society. I don't think anyone is silencing anyone's opinions. It's a message board--one should expect any opinions, comments etc. to be commented on. Our opinions are just as valid as yours. It is seemingly becoming clear to me that the leaving here might be more of an intolerance issueSo we just lost a pea who is the supportive mother of a lesbian daughter. She didn't like how a statement in a play was handled and she was intolerant. Unbelievable. She was smart for leaving. It's really sad this is where the political threads have gone. I don't know why it's quoting me as having said those posts. They are not mine. Maybe something got jazzed when wingnut left. You can look back and see that those are not my quotes.
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TheOtherMeg
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Nov 21, 2016 4:42:15 GMT
The quote thing often misbehaves when there are multiple quotes in a post and/or quotes within quotes.
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 21, 2016 5:17:31 GMT
I don't know why it's quoting me as having said those posts. They are not mine. Maybe something got jazzed when wingnut left. You can look back and see that those are not my quotes. I know it wasn't you @zingermack , I don't know why the board is screwy like that. I was referring to this post on page 3. Post by papercrafteradvocate on [abbr class="o-timestamp time" title="Sat Nov 19 2016 10:43:15 GMT-0700 (Mountain Standard Time)" data-timestamp="1479577395000"]yesterday at 10:43am[/abbr] At what point did I say I had a problem with the cast? No where. I have a problem with the audience members who decided their right to act like boorish adolescents was more important that allowing fellow audience members the ability to enjoy the show they paid for with the same hard earned money as everyone else. And learn from it what they will. Political or otherwise. This overriding, overarching behavior of "we're gonna get 'em! It's our turn!" is becoming frightening. There is a fraction, a *fraction* of idiots out there who are everything you are so afraid of. The rest of us are just trying to survive, just like you. At this point, I'm so uncomfortable in this community that I'm afraid its about to make the decision to join the ranks of other long-time peas and walk away. There is no place for me here. No room for a difference of opinion. I'm not allowed to have a separate opinion going by the bulk of the words written on the posts in this community. You might as well add a "Conservatives not welcome here...enter at your own risk. Christians? Don't even bother." on the banner area. Later. Notice how it seems to be conservatives who are bailing? The liberals have stuck here after years of being belittled and being told how stupid, uneducated and just "liberal" we are as if we are the dregs of society. I don't think anyone is silencing anyone's opinions. It's a message board--one should expect any opinions, comments etc. to be commented on. Our opinions are just as valid as yours. It is seemingly becoming clear to me that the leaving here might be more of an intolerance issue
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