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Post by redhead32 on Nov 21, 2016 5:25:34 GMT
So we just lost a pea who is the supportive mother of a lesbian daughter. She didn't like how a statement in a play was handled and she was intolerant. Unbelievable. She was smart for leaving. It's really sad this is where the political threads have gone. I don't know why it's quoting me as having said those posts. They are not mine. Maybe something got jazzed when wingnut left. You can look back and see that those are not my quotes. Ditto. I posted a few times on this thread, but not the words attributed to me.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 21, 2016 7:41:58 GMT
how's that? does our constitution support Sharia law? does God support Sharia law? was the election upheaval because of Sharia law?
It is the constitutional right of Muslims to believe in Allah. Etcetera. yep, they can believe in the non existent Allah... that doesn't change our constitution.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 21, 2016 8:02:32 GMT
God determines who is a Christian. Those who follow the Son. His word says the gay lifestyle is a sin. It isn't something a Christian makes up, He is very clear about it.
going to a 'church' building doesn't make anyone a Christian. God changing the heart does that. We all have a choice, to follow God or follow the world.
the dem platform does not support God. It supports things that are against God and His word.
Your interpretation of the Bible may say that the gay lifestyle is sin. There are many who disagree. I know I can't change your mind, but I know in my heart what I believe and that I follow God and try my best to live my life to be worthy of the sacrifice Jesus made for all people. Oh my gravy! I just want to clarify I did not mean to type "going gay" I was on my antiquated IPad last night and meant "being gay". I cannot believe I was not called out on that- but please know I don't think for two seconds anyone "goes gay". Good gravy marie! nothing to 'interpret', it's very clearly stated in at least 2 ways. marriage is also clearly defined as between a man and a woman from the beginning and Jesus upholds that in the NT. No where in scripture does it give any option. I know there are those who jiggle and wiggle scripture in the attempt to make it say what they want. I've read both the argument for SS and the counter argument to it. God's word holds as it is.
no, you can't change what I believe. One has to be born again to know God, that only happens thru Christ. (It's a real thing that happens to a person, and it isn't water baptism.) Those who follow Christ, follow His word. that too, is made very clear in scripture.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 8:08:04 GMT
I'm confused. This is Murphy 's first post on this thread: And here is the second one, the sort of hairflip. Does this strike anyone else as a huge overreaction? How did we get from a few people booing Pence and a polite address to him by the cast to "my views aren't welcome here?" Murphy, you've said you didn't vote for Trump. You obviously feel strongly that neither the audience nor the cast should have addressed, Pence in any way, but how did their doing that, and our disagreement with your opinion, turn into "conservatives and Christians not allowed here?" I'm honestly curious because I don't see it. Do people have to agree with you in order for you to feel welcome? Hmmmm... probably years of Threads like theseand the dozens and dozens and dozens in between threads like these
and these.I've seen, heard and experienced passionate discussion, but never personal attacks for having the "wrong opinion", and on top of that, then being condemned for objecting to be treated that way. I've also never experienced the interpretation here of what constitutes racism, xenophobia, homophobia, sexism, etc anywhere but here. I've never in my life, outside of here, seen anyone claim those based on nothing more than difference of opinion on how to accomplish the same desired outcome and we've seen that plenty here. Discussion doesn't really happen here. All discussions end up with the majority of voices coming from the Left and drowning out the voices on the Right with statements that are meant to silence. Eventually they all boil down to "you're a RACIST, SEXIST, BROWN PEOPLE HATING, XENOPHOBIC, MYSOGYNISTIC, HOMOPHOBE, topped off with such predictable accusations of "tit for tat" "you're frothing" "you need help" "I don't like your source" as well as the never ending list of ways (ranging anywhere from "subtle" nastiness, all the way to outright viciousness) to personally attack those that won't bend to "your" way of thinking. It's been asked, answered and explained here many times, by many Peas, especially in the last few months. I don't know why "you" refuse to hear it.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 21, 2016 8:58:41 GMT
He is trying to distract everyone with his childish Twitter tantrums. He is trying to divert attention from the two latest serious news items about him and his crooked administration: 1. There was enough evidence in his TrumpU fraud case that he had to settle for 25 million. That's a large settlement (something he has repeatedly claimed he would NEVER do, btw) and those don't happen without compelling proof of wrongdoing. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/19/trump-university-settlement-twitter2. The recent news about the obvious conflicts of interest with foreign diplomats and Trump hotels www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/2016/11/18/9da9c572-ad18-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.htmlThe latter could really be a huge problem wrt ethics and conflicts of interest. The House Oversight Committee got so many calls on Friday that their lines were jammed on and off throughout the afternoon. That's where the focus needs to stay-on how crooked Trump is and how hypocritical the Republicans are for not putting a stop to it quickly.the left has been a long time bad example on this. clear up to voting DBO in 2x and then trying to get HC in. then there's Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Biden etc.
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Post by Skypea on Nov 21, 2016 9:06:44 GMT
that's it! And I'll repeat what I said maybe in my 1st or 2nd yr on here (10 yrs or so back).
"never in all my life (at that time would have been about 50 yrs) have I ever 'met' / or been around (in schools or work places) a group of such nasty, foul mouthed, vicious women." I might have also included 'vile' - I don't remember all the adjectives I used. I do know I didn't use the foul words that females here think are part of every day speech.
2 peas hasn't changed. maybe some of the now nasty ones are old nasty ones with a new name. I don't know. nasty is nasty.
the bullies on the left lost the election and their bulliness is on steroids now.
I think the hatred for Trump is because he just bullies you back and keeps on going. I do believe God did call up a wrecking ball for this time in our history. (Time will tell.) A wimp (tho, still nasty and a bully) like DBO hasn't the brass parts (or will) to hold the ship steady for what's coming ahead of us. The past 8 yrs have been massive destruction for this country.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 21, 2016 12:51:30 GMT
I don't know why it's quoting me as having said those posts. They are not mine. Maybe something got jazzed when wingnut left. You can look back and see that those are not my quotes. Ditto. I posted a few times on this thread, but not the words attributed to me. And I too responded, as I was not calling the mom of the lesbian daughter intolerant.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 21, 2016 13:02:10 GMT
I am Christian and have never felt disrespected or dismissed here. Of course, I am a Christian who believes belng gay is not a sin or against the bible. Not all Christians believe going gay is a sin. Not all Christians are against marriage equality. I am also a Democrat, as is most of my family. Most of us are also church going Christians as well. Please don't confuse politically conservativeness with Christianity. Please don't confuse bigotry with Christianity. You can be Christian and support and believe in marriage equality. Many seem to be forgetting the wedding in my profile pic. The one where my daughter married her wife this past summer? The one we supported with our presence, our time and our money. I see a kiwi in your profile pic. Just so you know not all of us have that as a reminder.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 21, 2016 13:16:25 GMT
that's it! And I'll repeat what I said maybe in my 1st or 2nd yr on here (10 yrs or so back).
"never in all my life (at that time would have been about 50 yrs) have I ever 'met' / or been around (in schools or work places) a group of such nasty, foul mouthed, vicious women." I might have also included 'vile' - I don't remember all the adjectives I used. I do know I didn't use the foul words that females here think are part of every day speech.
2 peas hasn't changed. maybe some of the now nasty ones are old nasty ones with a new name. I don't know. nasty is nasty.
the bullies on the left lost the election and their bulliness is on steroids now.
I think the hatred for Trump is because he just bullies you back and keeps on going. I do believe God did call up a wrecking ball for this time in our history. (Time will tell.) A wimp (tho, still nasty and a bully) like DBO hasn't the brass parts (or will) to hold the ship steady for what's coming ahead of us. The past 8 yrs have been massive destruction for this country.
You are the epitome of all the hatred out there. It's terribly sad that you don't see how hateful and offensive you are, and have also disproved Gia's point that all the hatred is from the left. It's not, and really never was, it's just come to the time where the more liberal group is finally standing up for themselves and speaking out after years of being shut down. The liberals and middle ground have put up with so many years of garbage talk like this from you and others who insult and talk down to others. The only person on this thread being a bully is skypea. Devoid of facts, filled with hatefulness, offensive to anyone who doesn't think like her. And other conservatives won't call her out for it, but OMG if a liberal does, they will be targeted and labeled for doing it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 21, 2016 13:30:57 GMT
It's gone both ways, and no matter how many times a person keeps blaming the left for all of it, it's just not simply true. People who write such stuff are refusing to hear it.
It happened on both sides and giving as good as one got (or gets).
Liberals have been torn down just as much, it's not been a one sided deal here.
And regarding the names of racist, bigoted, homophobic, misogynistic, etc. one look at skypeas response is enough proof of that business.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 13:33:42 GMT
nothing to 'interpret', it's very clearly stated in at least 2 ways. marriage is also clearly defined as between a man and a woman from the beginning and Jesus upholds that in the NT. No where in scripture does it give any option. I know there are those who jiggle and wiggle scripture in the attempt to make it say what they want. I've read both the argument for SS and the counter argument to it. God's word holds as it is.
no, you can't change what I believe. One has to be born again to know God, that only happens thru Christ. (It's a real thing that happens to a person, and it isn't water baptism.) Those who follow Christ, follow His word. that too, is made very clear in scripture.
Plenty to interpret - with those who have eyes to see, ears to hear and minds to ponder. Differing Interpretations
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 21, 2016 14:04:56 GMT
It is the constitutional right of Muslims to believe in Allah. Etcetera. yep, they can believe in the non existent Allah... that doesn't change our constitution. This just isn't very nice. It is the same kind of thinking as the Islamic fundamentalists use to justify their views against Christianity.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Nov 21, 2016 14:07:24 GMT
Many seem to be forgetting the wedding in my profile pic. The one where my daughter married her wife this past summer? The one we supported with our presence, our time and our money. I see a kiwi in your profile pic. Just so you know not all of us have that as a reminder. I regret to have to advise that the kiwi is there as the default. It appears wingnut has taken herself off the board
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 14:10:38 GMT
yep, they can believe in the non existent Allah... that doesn't change our constitution. This just isn't very nice. It is the same kind of thinking as the Islamic fundamentalists use to justify their views against Christianity. Exactly. That's the problem w/religion. You can kill each other over ideas that can never proven to another. Many religions say "my God is THE God and I must convert or kill those who believe otherwise." (and yes Christians killed Jews, Muslims and other religions in the past - though, thankfully not now) And many religious adherents see no problem in congratulating themselves for their own views while castigating other religions for the exact same views, but different god(s).
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Post by Merge on Nov 21, 2016 14:17:56 GMT
yep, they can believe in the non existent Allah... that doesn't change our constitution. This just isn't very nice. It is the same kind of thinking as the Islamic fundamentalists use to justify their views against Christianity. It also shows complete ignorance of the fact that all the Abrahamic religions worship the same God. If their God is nonexistent, so is Skybar's.
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Post by redhead32 on Nov 21, 2016 14:19:38 GMT
It is the constitutional right of Muslims to believe in Allah. Etcetera. yep, they can believe in the non existent Allah... that doesn't change our constitution. Do you think mocking someone's faith is the most effective way to witness to the faith you say you have? There were so many responses that you could have given.
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Post by Merge on Nov 21, 2016 14:24:14 GMT
I'm confused. This is Murphy 's first post on this thread: And here is the second one, the sort of hairflip. Does this strike anyone else as a huge overreaction? How did we get from a few people booing Pence and a polite address to him by the cast to "my views aren't welcome here?" Murphy, you've said you didn't vote for Trump. You obviously feel strongly that neither the audience nor the cast should have addressed, Pence in any way, but how did their doing that, and our disagreement with your opinion, turn into "conservatives and Christians not allowed here?" I'm honestly curious because I don't see it. Do people have to agree with you in order for you to feel welcome? Hmmmm... probably years of Threads like theseand the dozens and dozens and dozens in between threads like these
and these.I've seen, heard and experienced passionate discussion, but never personal attacks for having the "wrong opinion", and on top of that, then being condemned for objecting to be treated that way. I've also never experienced the interpretation here of what constitutes racism, xenophobia, homophobia, sexism, etc anywhere but here. I've never in my life, outside of here, seen anyone claim those based on nothing more than difference of opinion on how to accomplish the same desired outcome and we've seen that plenty here. Discussion doesn't really happen here. All discussions end up with the majority of voices coming from the Left and drowning out the voices on the Right with statements that are meant to silence. Eventually they all boil down to "you're a RACIST, SEXIST, BROWN PEOPLE HATING, XENOPHOBIC, MYSOGYNISTIC, HOMOPHOBE, topped off with such predictable accusations of "tit for tat" "you're frothing" "you need help" "I don't like your source" as well as the never ending list of ways (ranging anywhere from "subtle" nastiness, all the way to outright viciousness) to personally attack those that won't bend to "your" way of thinking. It's been asked, answered and explained here many times, by many Peas, especially in the last few months. I don't know why "you" refuse to hear it. Gia, most of us on the left refuse to engage with you any more because you have been so consistently ugly to us, so I don't really think you've got room to talk. If we're supposedly shutting you down as racist/sexist etc., then you're constantly shutting us down as "bullies" for standing up for what we believe in. Frankly I'm tired of being called a bully because I'm standing up for those who are truly oppressed in this country (newsflash: it's not the straight, white Christians). My question to wingnut pertained to this thread, which seemed to be what she was responding to, but congratulations on your well-maintained spreadsheet.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 21, 2016 14:29:19 GMT
This just isn't very nice. It is the same kind of thinking as the Islamic fundamentalists use to justify their views against Christianity. It also shows complete ignorance of the fact that all the Abrahamic religions worship the same God. If their God is nonexistent, so is Skybar's. That was my thought as well-but I am the last one to try to argue theology.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 21, 2016 14:34:36 GMT
Hmmmm... probably years of Threads like theseand the dozens and dozens and dozens in between threads like these
and these.I've seen, heard and experienced passionate discussion, but never personal attacks for having the "wrong opinion", and on top of that, then being condemned for objecting to be treated that way. I've also never experienced the interpretation here of what constitutes racism, xenophobia, homophobia, sexism, etc anywhere but here. I've never in my life, outside of here, seen anyone claim those based on nothing more than difference of opinion on how to accomplish the same desired outcome and we've seen that plenty here. Discussion doesn't really happen here. All discussions end up with the majority of voices coming from the Left and drowning out the voices on the Right with statements that are meant to silence. Eventually they all boil down to "you're a RACIST, SEXIST, BROWN PEOPLE HATING, XENOPHOBIC, MYSOGYNISTIC, HOMOPHOBE, topped off with such predictable accusations of "tit for tat" "you're frothing" "you need help" "I don't like your source" as well as the never ending list of ways (ranging anywhere from "subtle" nastiness, all the way to outright viciousness) to personally attack those that won't bend to "your" way of thinking. It's been asked, answered and explained here many times, by many Peas, especially in the last few months. I don't know why "you" refuse to hear it. Gia, most of us on the left refuse to engage with you any more because you have been so consistently ugly to us, so I don't really think you've got room to talk. If we're supposedly shutting you down as racist/sexist etc., then you're constantly shutting us down as "bullies" for standing up for what we believe in. Frankly I'm tired of being called a bully because I'm standing up for those who are truly oppressed in this country (newsflash: it's not the straight, white Christians). My question to wingnut pertained to this thread, which seemed to be what she was responding to, but congratulations on your well-maintained spreadsheet. Thank you for saying what I have been thinking and trying to say all along. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU!!!
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Post by annabella on Nov 21, 2016 14:42:07 GMT
The irony of Trump calling the cast rude when he's nasty to women all the time on twitter.
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Post by lucillebluth on Nov 21, 2016 15:10:24 GMT
that's it! And I'll repeat what I said maybe in my 1st or 2nd yr on here (10 yrs or so back).
"never in all my life (at that time would have been about 50 yrs) have I ever 'met' / or been around (in schools or work places) a group of such nasty, foul mouthed, vicious women." I might have also included 'vile' - I don't remember all the adjectives I used. I do know I didn't use the foul words that females here think are part of every day speech.
2 peas hasn't changed. maybe some of the now nasty ones are old nasty ones with a new name. I don't know. nasty is nasty.
the bullies on the left lost the election and their bulliness is on steroids now.
I think the hatred for Trump is because he just bullies you back and keeps on going. I do believe God did call up a wrecking ball for this time in our history. (Time will tell.) A wimp (tho, still nasty and a bully) like DBO hasn't the brass parts (or will) to hold the ship steady for what's coming ahead of us. The past 8 yrs have been massive destruction for this country.
You are the epitome of all the hatred out there. It's terribly sad that you don't see how hateful and offensive you are, and have also disproved Gia's point that all the hatred is from the left. It's not, and really never was, it's just come to the time where the more liberal group is finally standing up for themselves and speaking out after years of being shut down. The liberals and middle ground have put up with so many years of garbage talk like this from you and others who insult and talk down to others. The only person on this thread being a bully is skypea. Devoid of facts, filled with hatefulness, offensive to anyone who doesn't think like her. And other conservatives won't call her out for it, but OMG if a liberal does, they will be targeted and labeled for doing it. Is Skypea the same person as Skybar from the old board?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 21, 2016 15:56:00 GMT
What is he doing? Are you kidding me? What is this "us"? Isn't he suppose to be trying to create unity in this country, the onus is on him, so what is up with this tweet?
this is the same thinking I had about his asking for an apology... The cast of Hamilton asked for the new administration to work for all Americans, and Trump said they should apologize for that? WHY?? The President SHOULD work for all of us- shouldn't he?? After all, he WILL be working for all of us- literally!! (oh, wait- he said he wouldn't take a salary... therefore, he can do what he wants, and only for the people he likes??!? )
ETA: lucillebluth: yes, I think so-- we don't know for certain, but we've been led to believe that Skypea is the same person as Skybar.
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Post by delilahtwo on Nov 21, 2016 16:28:08 GMT
What is he doing? Are you kidding me? What is this "us"? Isn't he suppose to be trying to create unity in this country, the onus is on him, so what is up with this tweet?
this is the same thinking I had about his asking for an apology... The cast of Hamilton asked for the new administration to work for all Americans, and Trump said they should apologize for that? WHY?? The President SHOULD work for all of us- shouldn't he?? After all, he WILL be working for all of us- literally!! (oh, wait- he said he wouldn't take a salary... therefore, he can do what he wants, and only for the people he likes??!? )
ETA: lucillebluth : yes, I think so-- we don't know for certain, but we've been led to believe that Skypea is the same person as Skybar.
I am confident skypea is skybar. Same posts, same style, same word choices, same message.
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Post by cade387 on Nov 21, 2016 16:30:34 GMT
that's it! And I'll repeat what I said maybe in my 1st or 2nd yr on here (10 yrs or so back).
"never in all my life (at that time would have been about 50 yrs) have I ever 'met' / or been around (in schools or work places) a group of such nasty, foul mouthed, vicious women." I might have also included 'vile' - I don't remember all the adjectives I used. I do know I didn't use the foul words that females here think are part of every day speech.
2 peas hasn't changed. maybe some of the now nasty ones are old nasty ones with a new name. I don't know. nasty is nasty.
the bullies on the left lost the election and their bulliness is on steroids now.
I think the hatred for Trump is because he just bullies you back and keeps on going. I do believe God did call up a wrecking ball for this time in our history. (Time will tell.) A wimp (tho, still nasty and a bully) like DBO hasn't the brass parts (or will) to hold the ship steady for what's coming ahead of us. The past 8 yrs have been massive destruction for this country.
I'm struggling with the idea that you have never seen racism or sexism ever happen to you or in front of you in real life? Where do you live?
It also would seem that you haven't met the New Testament. Our homily this week directly pertained to this (at least the way my heart heard it in Mass on Sunday). The Gospel came from Luke and while Jesus was on the cross the one criminal on his side said (paraphrasing) 'if you are really the Son of God then you will save yourself and save us'. The other chastised the first criminal and said (again, paraphrasing) 'do you not fear(respect) God?' He then showed remorse and said to Jesus 'Jesus remember me when I come into Your Kingdom'.
Our Priest talked about the children who received the Sacrament of Reconciliation this week. As one boy was walking out he said, "I don't get it." The Priest replied, "What don't you get?" The boy replied, "This is so easy. God's love is here for us, for free. All we have to do is ask. He only asks that we give His love to others freely in return."
Jesus calls us to love one another. I'm not perfect, but that means I don't judge others for their sins. I try to show compassion and love. God will take care of those who ask. It really is that simple.
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 21, 2016 17:12:28 GMT
My question to wingnut pertained to this thread, which seemed to be what she was responding to, but congratulations on your well-maintained spreadsheet. Was this comment necessary? On another thread Anna called out some peas for being mean. There were posts after that said prove it, prove where I said those things. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Anna didn't provide links so it was all speculation. Gia provides links that she feels backs up her opinion and she is given a back handed "compliment." The thing about politics on this board, is it spills over. Why does it have to pertain to this thread? You yourself said people were sick of Gia because of how she has behaved on political threads, but she isn't allowed to show the reason she thinks wingnut left? She can only quote posts from this thread
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Post by Merge on Nov 21, 2016 17:43:02 GMT
My question to wingnut pertained to this thread, which seemed to be what she was responding to, but congratulations on your well-maintained spreadsheet. Was this comment necessary? On another thread Anna called out some peas for being mean. There were posts after that said prove it, prove where I said those things. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Anna didn't provide links so it was all speculation. Gia provides links that she feels backs up her opinion and she is given a back handed "compliment." The thing about politics on this board, is it spills over. Why does it have to pertain to this thread? You yourself said people were sick of Gia because of how she has behaved on political threads, but she isn't allowed to show the reason she thinks wingnut left? She can only quote posts from this thread You're welcome to your opinion. Wingnut seemed to take offense to something very specifically in this thread and I was asking about that, not requesting for Gia to dredge up the history of the board. What I've been trying to get across is that disagreement - even vehement disagreement – with someone does not equal being mean to them. Disagreement does not equal saying someone is unwelcome. Disagreement is just that. If you want to debate, expect disagreement. I still think it's funny that the conservatives are the ones who get all butthurt on these threads, when they're the first to accuse liberals of needing a "safe space." Get your big girl panties on, or stick to the pressure cooker threads.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:06:50 GMT
What I've been trying to get across is that disagreement - even vehement disagreement – with someone does not equal being mean to them. Disagreement does not equal saying someone is unwelcome. Disagreement is just that. If you want to debate, expect disagreement.I still think it's funny that the conservatives are the ones who get all butthurt on these threads, when they're the first to accuse liberals of needing a "safe space." Get your big girl panties on, or stick to the pressure cooker threads.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:50:57 GMT
Last week I left the board as krazyscrapper and this week I'm back as fred. I didn't leave because in a two day period I was called a sanctimonious over the top liberal elitist. I left because I got tried of the words I was reading, not the "tone" but the words. I found them as depressing as hell. So I left.
Yesterday morning I read a comment by a friend on Facebook that reminded me of what was going on here and in the country in general. Leading up to the election she made some political comments that surprised me only because she had not been very political in the past. Of course there were those who heartily disagreed with her and so she is taking a break from Facebook. Just like what is happening here and the rest of the country. Her comments gave me something to ponder.
I believe that very few of us want to have a real discussion. Too many of us always want to be right and we don't want anyone proving us wrong. Too many of us look at things as black & white or either or. In our quest to always be right we quit talking to each other and instead talk past each other. Feelings get hurt, accusations are made, and we quit engaging. On this board, on Facebook, and in real life.
And I think not engaging is a mistake and that is why I'm back. I think we can all agree this country has problems. If people quit engaging how can we find a way to fix this mess we are in?
We all have our black and white topics. Mine happens to be guns. @lynlam is convinced I want the government to come and take away your guns. Well @lynlam is half right. I want guns gone but what I want is for gun owners to have a "come to Jesus meeting" and happily decide to get rid of their guns. Well that is not going to happen. But in reading the comments about gun ownership and why some folks have guns I have better understanding of why some folks do have a need to own a gun. My favorite story is the pea who said she had rifle to keep rattlesnakes off her driveway. Well yea. If I hadn't engaged with other peas on this board about guns I wouldn't have seen another point of view that I can see has merit. I may disagree with 95% of gun owners' views but agreeing with 5% is a start to change on how I see guns and gun ownership. A more realistic view that I wouldn't have had if I decided not to engage.
By not engaging how how do we learn things? I started a thread about jobs. I posted an op ed that made the case a real threat to US jobs is technology. I happen to agree with that and added my own 2 cents that not only is technology a threat to US jobs so is the fact for US companies the greatest potential for growth is outside the US and businesses have to make decisions based on that fact. The thread didn't get that much traction but a couple of peas made comments that shows , to me anyhow, just how complex the job market is. One comment was there were plenty of tech jobs available but for some reason weren't being filled. And, in this age of applications being submitted on line through a third party, maybe the most qualified are being rejected because of some algorithm. This makes me think the jobs are there but in the wrong place and maybe it's time to go back to the old fashion way of reviewing job applications. To me these are issues that need to be addressed and are not being addressed by the decision makers. Two of the issues I hadn't thought of and wouldn't have if I hadn't engaged with others on this board.
What we do with this new found knowledge and belief is up to the individual. Hopefully it will make its way to what we want from our local, state, and federal politicians and we can reach a common ground we can all agree on.
But nothing is going to happen if we don't engage but instead choose to sit silent in the corner. So I will voice my opinions and I will post opinion pieces or factual pieces to make my case. Folks will agree or disagree. Some will "consider the source" and scroll on by. But that is ok because I made the decision to engage.
As to the topic at hand. We are a free society and as such we can voice our first amendment right of free speech. Trump/Pence have, in my opinion, dangerous views about how our country should be. To achieve their vision they are targeting certain segments of our society. Many of whom are members of the Hamiliton cast. To me they had every right right to voice their concern to one of the two men who have this misguided vision. Same with the booing from the audience
As to the "right" place. If Pence had walked into the the theater and there was nothing but cheers and the Hamiliton cast had made a glowing speech on how great Pence is we wouldn't be having this discussion. But because some booed we are. Why is it "ok" to cheer a person at a theatre and not boo them? Are not cheering and booing a form of expressing their opinion about somebody? Why do we need the "right" place to express one type of opinion but another?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:58:13 GMT
Last week I left the board as krazyscrapper and this week I'm back as fred. Thanks for the info. It's helpful wrt the ignore feature.
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Post by redhead32 on Nov 21, 2016 18:58:58 GMT
By not engaging how how do we learn things? I started a thread about jobs. I posted an op ed that made the case a real threat to US jobs is technology. I happen to agree with that and added my own 2 cents that not only is technology a threat to US jobs so is the fact for US companies the greatest potential for growth is outside the US and businesses have to make decisions based on that fact. The thread didn't get that much traction but a couple of peas made comments that shows , to me anyhow, just how complex the job market is. One comment was there were plenty of tech jobs available but for some reason weren't being filled. And, in this age of applications being submitted on line through a third party, maybe the most qualified are being rejected because of some algorithm. This makes me think the jobs are there but in the wrong place and maybe it's time to go back to the old fashion way of reviewing job applications. To me these are issues that need to be addressed and are not being addressed by the decision makers. Two of the issues I hadn't thought of and wouldn't have if I hadn't engaged with others on this board. I read the piece you posted about tech jobs. And I actually cited this message board and your post (as a non academic source) in a paper I submitted for my poli-sci class. I agree with you that conversation is good. Ultimately, I learn a lot from this board. Sometimes I learn a new perspective. Sometimes I learn to better articulate why I'm not changing from my original perspective. For me, the frustration is the people who seem unwilling to consider another point of view. I want to "logic" them into oblivion. So I'm also learning another skill: tact, and that sometimes I can be right and the other person doesn't care. ETA: I deleted part of the quoted text bc it was huge.
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