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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 14:30:39 GMT
So another entertainer won't perform at the inauguration. The news stories, and headlines, say that Jennifer Holliday "backed out" of performing, and here's a CNN article: Jennifer HollidayI read that article twice, and what I took away from it is an entertainer backpeddling and double-talking to save her career; i.e., she was asked to perform, didn't commit, but after it was announced she would perform, she then decided not to. She also received letters from fans and the LGBTQ community stating the disappointment, and then she made the announcement she wouldn't perform. So she really didn't back out of something because she never agreed to perform in the first place, at least according to her and her agent/publicist. A bit confusing. I DO NOT blame her. Entertaining is her career. Without fans she has no career. I saw a short interview with Ben Stein who said "he" knows for a fact there are a lot more Republicans/conservatives in Hollywood than people would know because they know to keep their mouths shut or run the risk of being blacklisted. I have to wonder then, what's really important here? Is (potential) public backlash and/or blacklisting of entertainers meant to sway them, or ruin them? Is silencing people because of fear the way to get a point across?
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 15, 2017 14:37:03 GMT
It's almost to the point of censorship. I did not vote for Trump. But, our country is based on a peaceful transfer of power. We all need to accept that Trump will be the president.
I don't think we should be judging performers or anyone else.
Let's move on. We can hold Trump, Congress, and the Senate accountable for their actions or lack of action.
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Post by shescrafty on Jan 15, 2017 14:37:34 GMT
Nobody silenced her. And from what I have read, nobody threatened her. They shared their disappointment that she would perform at Trump's inauguration and expressed why.
When people take a stand politically they run the risk of alienating their fan base. Every type of business does. I am careful about what I post in Facebook because I am a teacher and don't want that to come back on me in my job.
There is a local coffee shop that has been supporting the women's march in DC and allowing women's groups to meet there to make signs, etc. in the area where I live I know they may be alienating some customers (I live in MD but in a very republican area) so I choose to go and support them more.
Eta: I also think it is kind of funny considering that Trump blasted so many for speaking their minds (including the cast of Hamilton) and so many people said they would boycott the show because of the performers speaking out for what they felt was right.
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Post by imsirius on Jan 15, 2017 14:41:45 GMT
Her career depends on her fans. They are her bread and butter.
If she was asked but did not commit and Trump said she was performing before he knew, that's on him.
If she committed and her fans got vocal and she reconsidered, that is on her. But...it doesn't make her wrong. She decides when and where she performs and if she felt performing at the inauguration would hurt her career, she is within her rights to back out.
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Post by Skellinton on Jan 15, 2017 14:43:28 GMT
People are not upset because she is supporting a Republican, they are upset because it is Donald Trump. People need to understand, for the majority this is NOT a partisan issue. This is a Donald Trump issue. This is people taking a stand against misogyny , racism, homophobia, and hatred. Plain and simple.
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Post by imsirius on Jan 15, 2017 14:50:41 GMT
People are not upset because she is supporting a Republican, they are upset because it is Donald Trump. People need to understand, for the majority this is NOT a partisan issue. This is a Donald Trump issue. This is people taking a stand against misogyny , racism, homophobia, and hatred. Plain and simple. I was thinking about this last night. The last 6 presidents have all been likeable people outside of office. Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and Obama have ALL been personable, loveable, likeable men. Most had strong family values and people genuinely liked them no matter if they agreed with their policies or how they governed. Trump doesn't have that likeable persona. He is a bully, mean, a narcissist, sociopathic, and very rude. He is not a true family man; although he puts on a good show. Reagan was very well loved by people. Bush Jr was goofy and endearing in his own way, Bush Sr was well respected for his values, The Obamas are very personable and many love them as a couple etc etc... Trump is a despiclple human being and that hurts him more than any Republican thing. People do not like him as a man at all.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 15, 2017 14:51:26 GMT
I had a similar thought when I saw a friend post that she was "boycotting the Oscars". Her FB said, "I have heard enough from Hollywood this year. Let them pat themselves on the back" I know she is a conservative and she gets defensive so I didn't ask her to explain why. ( I think if you really want to hurt Hollywood, hit em in the pocketbook, don't go to the movies or watch TV).
Freedom of speech and freedom of beliefs is our most important value as a nation. We all should be able to express ourselves as we see fit.
For a performer, it comes down to will my opinion cause me to lose jobs or fans? Is it worth it to express myself ? How strongly do I feel about what I want to express?
We all have to do this. My sister is a real estate agent in a red area and she is a democrat. She chooses to do business over sharing her political views. She won't post on any social media that she is going to the March in Washington. I support her choice to keep her views separate.
In our divided nation it is becoming trickier and trickier to have an opinion and the repercussions from disagreeing with the "other side" can be huge. If you are going to take a stand, you are going to be criticized, no matter where you fall on the political spectrum.
I applaud those who feel strong enough to stand up for what they believe in. In the case of Jennifer Holliday, and in my sister's case with the Women's March, they are choosing to publicly share their political views. You would be naive to believe that would not have some positive and some negative fall out.
I feel pretty strong myself. I will use my vote, my voice and my dollars to support those who I think are share my values. If you publicly share your values and they don't align with mine, I will use my dollars elsewhere.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 15, 2017 14:52:41 GMT
People are not upset because she is supporting a Republican, they are upset because it is Donald Trump. People need to understand, for the majority this is NOT a partisan issue. This is a Donald Trump issue. This is people taking a stand against misogyny , racism, homophobia, and hatred. Plain and simple. This a 1000x
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 14:58:28 GMT
If she had a music storefront and everyday offered a standard menu of lives songs for purchase and Trump walked in, she'd have to "serve up her songs" - that is the responsibility of the seller in a public concession w/a standard offering/menu.
But as a performer, she has more latitude about booking and say about where/when she agrees to book and perform. As viewers/fans (buyers) people can decide whether they like her or not and boycott or support accordingly.
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Post by pilcas on Jan 15, 2017 15:02:35 GMT
I am not a Republican but I have never been upset when a Republican has won. I have no respect whatsoever for Trump, furthermore he disgusts me.i think he has no common sense or ethics. He is not out to do what is good for the country but for himself. I will speak up against him when I feel he is in the wrong and I do not feel the need to support him when what he does goes against, in my opinion, the interest of the nation.
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Post by janeliz on Jan 15, 2017 15:03:21 GMT
Honestly, I think this notion that conservatives in the arts are "blacklisted" is nonsense.
I suppose if there are a bunch of scared conservatives in hiding in Hollywood, fearful of sharing their Republican leanings, I wouldnt know...cause they're hiding. I can think of a few conservative entertainers who have pretty good careers, though. Clint Eastwood, Patricia Heaton, Sylvester Stallone, Jon Voight, Kelsey Grammer, Robert Duvall all come to mind. Hell, Mel Gibson still manages to pop his head out every few years.
Also, as others have pointed out in other threads, this isn't a normal inauguration of just any Republican. I doubt Trump has many fans among the conservatives in Hollywood.
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Post by jackie on Jan 15, 2017 15:09:05 GMT
People are not upset because she is supporting a Republican, they are upset because it is Donald Trump. People need to understand, for the majority this is NOT a partisan issue. This is a Donald Trump issue. This is people taking a stand against misogyny , racism, homophobia, and hatred. Plain and simple. ITA. And I'm not sure I buy the "blacklisting" thing either. Blacklisting is like when the CONSERVATIVES ran Hollywood and we had the McCarthy era where people truly WERE blacklisted--unable to work, lost their jobs, some lost their lives. Yes, the Democrats are now the overwhelming majority in Hollywood. And yes, I'm sure there are some out there who feel strongly enough about their politics that they don't want to work with people on the opposing side, which is unfortunate. But the outspoken conservatives in Hollywood that I know of (Patricia Heaton, Sylvester Stallone, Vince Vaughn, Adam Sandler, etc.) have and continue to have flourishing careers. I DO agree though that Trump is another issue altogether. People may feel differently about those who outspokenly support Trump. This is not a party issue, it's a Trump issue, and honestly I get it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 15:56:52 GMT
People are not upset because she is supporting a Republican, they are upset because it is Donald Trump. People need to understand, for the majority this is NOT a partisan issue. This is a Donald Trump issue. This is people taking a stand against misogyny , racism, homophobia, and hatred. Plain and simple. I agree, but I guess I'm wondering if people won't admit they voted for the man, is it really standing up against misogyny, racism, etc. or just keeping quiet to avoid the backlash they'll face? Is it really a sincere stance, or a false sense of sincerity? Does that make sense? I'm getting the feeling it's a "what they won't know won't hurt them" philosophy.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 15, 2017 16:01:20 GMT
Many of the celebrities who have been asked and have turned it down are the ones making it public...if they hadn't gone public with the information we'd never have known they were asked. They are making a deliberate choice to let us know their decision. Meryl Streep didn't have a make her speech about Trump, she also chose to. So they are the ones taking it to social media themselves or making very public statements and letting people know that they don't support Trump. No-one is forcing them to.
No-one is being "silenced" either...with social media it's easy for celebrities to let us know their opinions on various topics, but the beauty of that is it's a two way street, in return they get to immediately hear what their fans think. If they make an unpopular statement or decision, then 5 minutes later they will know how a few thousand people feel about what they just said.
Personally I don't have a problem with that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 16:01:32 GMT
And now there's backlash towards 3 Doors Down performing. 3 Doors Down
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Post by 5peanutsnana on Jan 15, 2017 16:03:47 GMT
I am not a Republican but I have never been upset when a Republican has won. I have no respect whatsoever for Trump, furthermore he disgusts me.i think he has no common sense or ethics. He is not out to do what is good for the country but for himself. I will speak up against him when I feel he is in the wrong and I do not feel the need to support him when what he does goes against, in my opinion, the interest of the nation.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 15, 2017 16:16:29 GMT
I agree, but I guess I'm wondering if people won't admit they voted for the man, is it really standing up against misogyny, racism, etc. or just keeping quiet to avoid the backlash they'll face? That doesn't make any sense. If they are keeping quiet - then no they aren't "standing up" for anything. If they didn't admit they voted for him...then they also aren't standing up for anything. You aren't making any logical points. There are people standing up and speaking about against Trump, they are the ones who are publically standing up and speaking out against "misogyny, racism etc" and there are people who are standing up and saying they *do* support him and they are the ones also taking different sorts of risks Those who are being quiet aren't doing anything...we don't know what they think, or what their reasons are, so we can't make any assumptions about who they voted for or what their beliefs are, therefore is no "false sense of security". Some of them may have strong beliefs and choose to keep them quiet, some of them may not have any opinions one way or the other, so ascribing any "meaning" to those who are being quiet is just illogical.
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Post by lizacreates on Jan 15, 2017 16:24:58 GMT
"Regretfully, I did not take into consideration that my performing for the concert would actually instead be taken as a political act against my own personal beliefs and be mistaken for support of Donald Trump and Mike Pence."
I thought the above was incredibly naïve of her. Even those who don’t regularly read or watch the news are acutely aware of Trump’s views and his character. Part of her initial defense for her performing was that “there’s so much hate,” a curiously disconnected justification considering that the man who will be inaugurated was and is the purveyor of said hate.
Of course her performing during the inauguration would be considered tacit support, not a “healing or unifying” act, regardless of what’s really in her heart. Any other time this would have been noncontroversial, maybe even lauded, but she couldn’t have been that shielded from current events not to know there would be backlash. Whether she was backpedaling or not, it was prudent of her to back out.
(The timing of her backing out was a godsend because if she had waited longer she would have landed right smack dab in the middle of Trump’s twitter blasting of the much-respected John Lewis. Then, she may have been forced to define what “hate” really means.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 16:27:13 GMT
I agree, but I guess I'm wondering if people won't admit they voted for the man, is it really standing up against misogyny, racism, etc. or just keeping quiet to avoid the backlash they'll face? That doesn't make any sense.
If they are keeping quiet - then no they aren't "standing up" for anything. If they didn't admit they voted for him...then they also aren't standing up for anything. You aren't making any logical points.
There are people standing up and speaking about against Trump, they are the ones who are publically standing up and speaking out against "misogyny, racism etc" and there are people who are standing up and saying they *do* support him and they are the ones also taking different sorts of risks Those who are being quiet aren't doing anything...we don't know what they think, or what their reasons are, so we can't make any assumptions about who they voted for or what their beliefs are, therefore is no "false sense of security". Some of them may have strong beliefs and choose to keep them quiet, some of them may not have any opinions one way or the other, so ascribing any "meaning" to those who are being quiet is just illogical. I agree, lol. " Those who are being quiet aren't doing anything...we don't know what they think, or what their reasons are, so we can't make any assumptions about who they voted for or what their beliefs are, therefore is no "false sense of security"." This is the point I was trying to get to (but couldn't quite get it right ). Those that remain quiet don't run the risk of backlash, boycotting, blacklisting, etc. because nobody knows.
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Post by snowsilver on Jan 15, 2017 16:35:55 GMT
I am more than a little dismayed by all this. I hesitate to even express my views on this as conservatives have pretty much stopped posting on political posts on this forum and I'm one of them. But I feel strongly enough about this that I'm going to take the chance. I wonder how Trump will ever be able to do his job with all the hate that has been thrown his way. Do I like him? Not particularly. Does he worry me? Yes. But I do not think he is the monster that he is being portrayed. Whether we like him or not he IS our president for the next four years (unless he is assassinated which I am beginning to believe is a strong possibility with all the hate that is thrown his way--and then everyone will gasp and say "We didn't mean it to go THAT far!!!).
There are many stars who would have performed (Andrea Bocelli is a good example) but received absolute death threats if they did! This is wrong in every conceivable way. So YOU don't like him! Fine. But you (general you) have NO RIGHT to try to stop others from being part of his big day. And make no mistake--that is exactly what is happening. I am disgusted by the plans to keep people from attending the Inauguration. Donald Trump won the election. Every other president in history has been allowed an Inauguration Day. It is part of our political process.
From death threats to implied threats of destruction of careers if one has anything to do with Trump--this is so un-American I can't believe it. Defend it all you want, but I am telling you that by doing so, YOU are part of what is tearing this country apart.
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 15, 2017 16:40:00 GMT
This is what I'm having a hard time understanding - why do people equate these things with their political party and take it so personally when people speak out against it? Meryl Streep's speech was about treating everyone with dignity and kindness and so many conservatives took it as a personal affront. I'm still reading posts about it on FB this morning, along with the typical comments about libtards and snowflakes.
"Disrespect invites disrespect. Violence incites violence. When the powerful use their position to bully others, we all lose."
If you read that sentence and it pisses you off, you have larger personal issues to confront.
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Post by katybee on Jan 15, 2017 16:48:36 GMT
And now there's backlash towards 3 Doors Down performing. 3 Doors DownSeriously--I didn't even know 3 Doors Down was still a band. I can only imagine this publicity will help--not hurt them--
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Post by katybee on Jan 15, 2017 16:51:08 GMT
I am more than a little dismayed by all this. I hesitate to even express my views on this as conservatives have pretty much stopped posting on political posts on this forum and I'm one of them. But I feel strongly enough about this that I'm going to take the chance. I wonder how Trump will ever be able to do his job with all the hate that has been thrown his way. Do I like him? Not particularly. Does he worry me? Yes. But I do not think he is the monster that he is being portrayed. Whether we like him or not he IS our president for the next four years (unless he is assassinated which I am beginning to believe is a strong possibility with all the hate that is thrown his way--and then everyone will gasp and say "We didn't mean it to go THAT far!!!). There are many stars who would have performed (Andrea Bocelli is a good example) but received absolute death threats if they did! This is wrong in every conceivable way. So YOU don't like him! Fine. But you (general you) have NO RIGHT to try to stop others from being part of his big day. And make no mistake--that is exactly what is happening. I am disgusted by the plans to keep people from attending the Inauguration. Donald Trump won the election. Every other president in history has been allowed an Inauguration Day. It is part of our political process. From death threats to implied threats of destruction of careers if one has anything to do with Trump--this is so un-American I can't believe it. Defend it all you want, but I am telling you that by doing so, YOU are part of what is tearing this country apart. Tell that to the Dixie Chicks...
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Post by pyccku on Jan 15, 2017 16:59:33 GMT
There are many stars who would have performed (Andrea Bocelli is a good example) but received absolute death threats if they did! This is wrong in every conceivable way. So YOU don't like him! Fine. But you (general you) have NO RIGHT to try to stop others from being part of his big day. And make no mistake--that is exactly what is happening. I am disgusted by the plans to keep people from attending the Inauguration. Donald Trump won the election. Every other president in history has been allowed an Inauguration Day. It is part of our political process. From death threats to implied threats of destruction of careers if one has anything to do with Trump--this is so un-American I can't believe it. Defend it all you want, but I am telling you that by doing so, YOU are part of what is tearing this country apart. It would be interesting to know how many people felt the same about the Dixie Chicks. While it would be great for people who want to perform to perform, if you make your living selling a product to the public you have to weigh whether or not it's worth risking your career to stand out. The Dixie Chicks took a stand and were immediately boycotted and vilified in the conservative media and by politicians who thought that it was unpatriotic to criticize the president. I heard almost NO conservative voices speaking out on their behalf that they were expressing their rights as citizens. It was almost a monolith of negative press against them - how DARE they say anything about the president that wasn't 100% pro-Bush!!!! Everyone has freedom of speech and the freedom to perform if they wish. But as we have seen again and again, there are often economic consequences. If you are willing to pay that price - or if you think that for every person that boycotts, you'll add an equal number on the opposite side that seek you out and buy your product. Chick-fil-A chooses to be known as a conservative company and people choose to eat or not eat there accordingly. Hobby Lobby is very openly Christian, and some people don't shop there because of it - while others specifically go out of their way to shop there. Green Day is very liberal and vocal about it - if you don't like hearing that sort of thing, you likely won't find their concerts enjoyable. All of these organizations have weighed their options and chosen to speak out politically. I have to add that I don't think it would be as big a deal if it were any other Republican taking office. People aren't mad because Trump is conservative. People are mad because they think that Trump is a vile human being. If you have friends or family who are LGBTQ/immigrants/disabled/female, you may well feel that attending this inauguration shows disrespect to them and to what America stands for. As the singer from the MoTab Choir said, she didn't want to be remembered as someone who "threw roses to Hitler." Save
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 15, 2017 17:02:01 GMT
I wouldn't judge the entertainers for participating in the inauguration, but I also feel that it is their right to stand by their convictions and decline if they feel that is best for them.
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Post by katybee on Jan 15, 2017 17:04:17 GMT
I saw a short interview with Ben Stein who said "he" knows for a fact there are a lot more Republicans/conservatives in Hollywood than people would know because they know to keep their mouths shut or run the risk of being blacklisted. I have to wonder then, what's really important here? Is (potential) public backlash and/or blacklisting of entertainers meant to sway them, or ruin them? Is silencing people because of fear the way to get a point across? I call BS on this. The country is pretty evenly divided liberal/conservative. So, let's say when an entertainer comes out as one or the other, they lose 50% of their fans. They still have the other 50%. Unless he is claiming that we liberals are so filled with hate that we are willing to tear down anyone who doesn't believe the same way we do. But conservatives are much more open-minded and would never do that.... Hollywood is overwhelmingly liberal. It just is. The type of personality it takes to put yourself out there and be artistic and creative just tends to lean more left. I have no scientific research to back this up, and I am not implying that you CANNOT be both an artist and conservative--I just think NATURALLY more tend to lean liberal. So I do not believe there are hoards of conservatives hiding their beliefs in fear that their career will be ended...
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Post by trollie on Jan 15, 2017 17:10:07 GMT
I am not following who will and will not perform for Trump, but I'm sure Mr. Nugent, Mr. Keith and Kid Rock would be happy to step up.
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Post by trollie on Jan 15, 2017 17:17:59 GMT
Also, if the Trump camp announced she was performing before she actually committed, that is a YUGE error on their part. Tremendous.
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Post by Judy26 on Jan 15, 2017 17:18:22 GMT
I am more than a little dismayed by all this. I hesitate to even express my views on this as conservatives have pretty much stopped posting on political posts on this forum and I'm one of them. But I feel strongly enough about this that I'm going to take the chance. I wonder how Trump will ever be able to do his job with all the hate that has been thrown his way. Do I like him? Not particularly. Does he worry me? Yes. But I do not think he is the monster that he is being portrayed. Whether we like him or not he IS our president for the next four years (unless he is assassinated which I am beginning to believe is a strong possibility with all the hate that is thrown his way--and then everyone will gasp and say "We didn't mean it to go THAT far!!!). There are many stars who would have performed (Andrea Bocelli is a good example) but received absolute death threats if they did! This is wrong in every conceivable way. So YOU don't like him! Fine. But you (general you) have NO RIGHT to try to stop others from being part of his big day. And make no mistake--that is exactly what is happening. I am disgusted by the plans to keep people from attending the Inauguration. Donald Trump won the election. Every other president in history has been allowed an Inauguration Day. It is part of our political process. From death threats to implied threats of destruction of careers if one has anything to do with Trump--this is so un-American I can't believe it. Defend it all you want, but I am telling you that by doing so, YOU are part of what is tearing this country apart. I respect your views on this topic as I respect your right to voice them. That is what our country is based on...an individual's right to voice their opinion. I do have the right to voice my opinion of entertainers who are showing their support of a man who has denigrated the highest office of our country with his vitriol and hate. If they truly support Trump then they are more than welcome to perform. I am not stopping them. I am voicing my opinion as a citizen. Trump is allowed his inauguration and he will have it. No one is saying he can't have it. But we are allowed to voice our disappointment in him and those who support him. And as much as I can respect your opinion, you too should respect the opinion of millions of Americans who believe that Trump and his actions and words are what is tearing this country apart.
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Post by Nink on Jan 15, 2017 17:20:27 GMT
I wonder how Trump will ever be able to do his job with all the hate that has been thrown his way. President Obama sure had to learn how, so it's not impossible.
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