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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 27, 2017 15:34:33 GMT
snowsilverI live in the Buffalo area (hoping for a nice snow storm this weekend!) also and know Jim and his family personally. To those thinking they are "rich", yeah ok. He didn't make the millions that QBs now make. I knew all about DT helping out with housing etc. BUT I still can't stand him. Did he do some very kind things for the Kelly family?? He sure as hell did. He arranged a lot of things that Jim didn't even mention in that interview. Maybe DT needs to go find that kindness in his heart again--yeah that won't happen. I read that while working for the USFL, (Trump owned the NJ Generals) and it dying just like Atlantic City, when it came to paying those football players, trump stiffed Kelly $250,000. (That was Kelly stating he did not get his $$)
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Post by terri on Jan 27, 2017 15:40:51 GMT
I was a huge Jim Kelly fan back in the day so this is nice to hear. However, I agree that helping a celebrity that made $28 million playing football, not even counting endorsements, while threatening to get rid of the healthcare people like me depend on, doesn't mean all that much in the big picture.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 27, 2017 15:43:42 GMT
While yes, that is a nice story, what about all the people dealing with cancer who are not star quarterbacks and do not have access to lots of money? What would be nicer is helping out the millions of American's who are about to lose their insurance coverage. I'm sorry but all I read was one very rich man helping out another very rich man. Basically that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 16:11:17 GMT
While I'm sure he has done nice things for people, most of the examples I've found were old, as in 20 years or so old.
I'm going to go with "as he got older, he got meaner."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 16:16:19 GMT
Unfortunately this crowd isn't going to allow anything nice to be said about the current POTUS. I too have heard stories of good he has done privately without a lot of fanfare. But there are those that want to only see him in a negative light and question the motive on everything he does. I'd hate to have that perspective in life! And applaud the OP for trying to do so!
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Post by jenis40 on Jan 27, 2017 16:17:30 GMT
I appreciate your update and hope to hear more stories like that in the future.
On a side note, housing for families during medical treatment is an issue near and dear to my heart. I had my stem cell transplant transplant at OHSU in Portland Oregon which is a six hour drive from home. Post transplant the patient and a caregiver must stay within 30 minutes of the hospital for four months. My beautiful mother and my wonderful DH lived in a 5th wheel trailer loaned to us by generous family while I was in the hospital. Ronald McDonald house wasn't an option since I was an adult and renting an apartment wasn't financially feasible. My family wasn't the only ones staying in this particular RV park during treatment either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 16:19:59 GMT
Unfortunately this crowd isn't going to allow anything nice to be said about the current POTUS. I too have heard stories of good he has done privately without a lot of fanfare. But there are those that want to only see him in a negative light and question the motive on everything he does. I'd hate to have that perspective in life! And applaud the OP for trying to do so! Please cite something that he has done recently that makes him a nice person, and not the monster everyone portrays him to be. Something truly remarkable and charitable that benefits him not in any way.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 27, 2017 16:26:06 GMT
You know, while one would usually appreciate a feel good story about a vile and disgusting human, here's where I'm at on this-
1. IF he was such a humanitarian and good guy, why didn't he campaign with that?
2. If he was so kind and nice, why weren't people coming out of the woodwork to praise him?
In the instance of the Hill Farm, he got the bank to give them a month to get the funds together. The news doesn't say anything other than he helped them do that and gave "something" towards the debt (which was good)--but here's the thing...
THAT WAS 30 years ago.
I read an article that summed it up best,
"The gift he gave them is priceless and timeless. However, if we were to put a date on this event, we are looking at 1986. This is nearly 30 years ago. In that time, an infant has the opportunity to grow into a respectful, well-rounded adult. It appears, in that time, that Trump has done the opposite.
Just since declaring his candidacy, Trump has proved himself unfit to be any sort of role model. He opened his presidential announcement by putting down his fellow candidates, which was unpleasant and juvenile as far as opening statements go, but his comments on Mexico were beyond belief.
“They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
Despite the obvious faults and prejudices in the statement, some want to defend Trump. As if the tacked on, "And some, I assume, are good people," alleviates tensions or absolves him of his hate speech. If a prominent woman in media said, "Men are rapists, but some, I assume, are good people," no one would champion for cause. Generalizations like that are hateful and dangerous. His statement goes on to include the Middle East saying, "probably [...] But we don’t know." How can you speak in such a fashion on something you "don't know"? ....
As if doing this great kindness in saving this farm somehow exempts him from human decency. If anything, it shows decades of missed opportunities for Trump to effect positive changes." -Julia Aviles
They are right.
Instead of him growing into a kind or at least tolerable human, he's turned into a person most wouldn't ask to dinner.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 16:29:43 GMT
Unfortunately this crowd isn't going to allow anything nice to be said about the current POTUS. I too have heard stories of good he has done privately without a lot of fanfare. But there are those that want to only see him in a negative light and question the motive on everything he does. I'd hate to have that perspective in life! And applaud the OP for trying to do so! Please cite something that he has done recently that makes him a nice person, and not the monster everyone portrays him to be. Something truly remarkable and charitable that benefits him not in any way. Not that this will really make a difference in anyone's minds because, after all, the man was a volunteer on his campaign: Trump Generositybut I thought I'd share it anyway. This might be a better link.
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Post by snowsilver on Jan 27, 2017 16:32:15 GMT
Unfortunately this crowd isn't going to allow anything nice to be said about the current POTUS. I too have heard stories of good he has done privately without a lot of fanfare. But there are those that want to only see him in a negative light and question the motive on everything he does. I'd hate to have that perspective in life! And applaud the OP for trying to do so! Please cite something that he has done recently that makes him a nice person, and not the monster everyone portrays him to be. Something truly remarkable and charitable that benefits him not in any way. Well the bus driver story was from 2014. Here's one from the campaign: Lynne Patton, a black female executive for the Trump Organization, released a statement in 2016 defending her boss against accusations that he’s a racist and a bigot. She tearfully revealed how she’s struggled with substance abuse and addiction for years. Instead of kicking her to the curb, she said the Trump Organization and his entire family loyally stood by her through “immensely difficult times.” And with that, I'm out on this. I am not here to defend Donald Trump. I did not vote for him. But I have always believed that MOST people are good, and I just wanted to see what I could find about Donald. Since his children and grandchildren clearly love him to bits, I figured there must be some nice stories out there. I just think we'd all get a lot further if we gave him some breathing room and waited more than a week after his Inauguration to see how things shake out. OH, and for those of you who are not Trump supporters and still managed to say something nice on this thread--I saw your comments . And Christine, how cool that you know Jim Kelly personally. Is Jill as wonderful as I think she is?
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Post by gar on Jan 27, 2017 16:35:55 GMT
Unfortunately this crowd isn't going to allow anything nice to be said about the current POTUS. I too have heard stories of good he has done privately without a lot of fanfare. But there are those that want to only see him in a negative light and question the motive on everything he does. I'd hate to have that perspective in life! And applaud the OP for trying to do so! It has nothing to do with people's outlook on life I promise you.
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 27, 2017 16:46:52 GMT
Elise, I love your sweet, gentle, positive presence here. Such a Lady you are.
Thank you for sharing something positive. Like you, I didn't vote for Trump and I have many concerns, but I'm trying to stay positive and be objective as much as I can. This helps!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 16:48:26 GMT
You know, while one would usually appreciate a feel good story about a vile and disgusting human, here's where I'm at on this- 1. IF he was such a humanitarian and good guy, why didn't he campaign with that? 2. If he was so kind and nice, why weren't people coming out of the woodwork to praise him? In the instance of the Hill Farm, he got the bank to give them a month to get the funds together. The news doesn't say anything other than he helped them do that and gave "something" towards the debt (which was good)--but here's the thing... THAT WAS 30 years ago. I read an article that summed it up best, "The gift he gave them is priceless and timeless. However, if we were to put a date on this event, we are looking at 1986. This is nearly 30 years ago. In that time, an infant has the opportunity to grow into a respectful, well-rounded adult. It appears, in that time, that Trump has done the opposite. Just since declaring his candidacy, Trump has proved himself unfit to be any sort of role model. He opened his presidential announcement by putting down his fellow candidates, which was unpleasant and juvenile as far as opening statements go, but his comments on Mexico were beyond belief. “They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” Despite the obvious faults and prejudices in the statement, some want to defend Trump. As if the tacked on, "And some, I assume, are good people," alleviates tensions or absolves him of his hate speech. If a prominent woman in media said, "Men are rapists, but some, I assume, are good people," no one would champion for cause. Generalizations like that are hateful and dangerous. His statement goes on to include the Middle East saying, "probably [...] But we don’t know." How can you speak in such a fashion on something you "don't know"? .... As if doing this great kindness in saving this farm somehow exempts him from human decency. If anything, it shows decades of missed opportunities for Trump to effect positive changes." -Julia Aviles They are right. Instead of him growing into a kind or at least tolerable human, he's turned into a person most wouldn't ask to dinner.
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Post by carhoch on Jan 27, 2017 16:54:45 GMT
You want me to say something nice about Donald Trump let me think .......... nope I got nothing sorry .
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 27, 2017 17:04:24 GMT
You want me to say something nice about Donald Trump let me think .......... nope I got nothing sorry . Actually, she didn't ask anyone to say something positive, she did it herself, so no worries, it's covered.
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Post by Anita on Jan 27, 2017 17:08:42 GMT
I'm glad you can find something positive.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 17:12:03 GMT
I saw a similar comment about how his family loves him so he can't be all bad on an article. One reply was even assholes have family that loves them. Doesn't make them less of an asshole. Very true. And even assholes have moments of decency. Unfortunately, the assholian moments outweigh the good ones.
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Post by casii on Jan 27, 2017 17:21:18 GMT
I'm not a Trump fan. In fact I would say I'm about as anti-Trump as they come to the point where my family is sure I'm worshiping Satan and have lost Jesus (well, thanks Pharisees, I could argue the opposite, but...). But he did ask after a woman who lost her family in a fire locally. There are glimpses of humanity in everyone. Trump expresses sympathy
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Post by gar on Jan 27, 2017 17:30:57 GMT
I saw a similar comment about how his family loves him so he can't be all bad on an article. One reply was even assholes have family that loves them. Doesn't make them less of an asshole. Very true. And even assholes have moments of decency. Unfortunately, the assholian moments outweigh the good ones. And most assholes (or arseholes as I prefer to say ) don't run first world countries...
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Post by Judy26 on Jan 27, 2017 17:33:32 GMT
My opinion is that DT the person and DT the politician/ business man are two separate entities. I am sure he is a loving grandfather, loves his children beyond measure and has done many wonderful things for those he cares about. I am happy to read these examples because it demonstrates that there is goodness to be found.
On the other hand, I find the man who would be king to be petty, disrespectful, and paranoid. These are not traits I wish for in a president. Many anecdotes have been published about kindnesses shown by other leaders who were quite evil in the way they ruled. I'm not surprised that the same is true of DT
I don't see the world as black and white and do not find it odd that there is incongruity in his behaviors. I wish he was more comfortable with his position and didn't feel a need to constantly lie about petty (and not so petty) situations in order to promote his self proclaimed superiority. I hope that as time goes on he matures and shows more of his kind and generous side to us. If not, then he is going to join a long list of despots who used their office to promote hate and discord all because their need for unilateral acceptance and subservience is the primary justification for seeking the office in the first place.
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Post by pyccku on Jan 27, 2017 17:46:52 GMT
I always sort of regretted not being able to use my Russian degree and Soviet/East European Studies focus after I graduated. Now I get to, and I don't have to fly 15 hours in order to do so.
Who knows what the future will hold? Maybe if Russia and the UK become our only allies, I'll finally get to teach Russian.
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Post by mrssmith on Jan 27, 2017 17:51:32 GMT
I'm glad for the people he has helped in the stories above. However, I think he has publicly lied about contribution through his foundation (which is under investigation in NY). It was only after the reporter from the Washington Post tried to find the veterans' organizations that DJT said he raised $6M for that any vets organizations got anything. In recent years, the $ in the foundation has come from others, not him.
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Post by nightnurse on Jan 27, 2017 17:58:12 GMT
Unfortunately this crowd isn't going to allow anything nice to be said about the current POTUS. I too have heard stories of good he has done privately without a lot of fanfare. But there are those that want to only see him in a negative light and question the motive on everything he does. I'd hate to have that perspective in life! And applaud the OP for trying to do so! How many nice acts balance the scale against registering a religious group, bragging about sexual assault, denying healthcare to millions of Americans, and porking the middle class with taxes to pay for his yuge wall?
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Post by imsirius on Jan 27, 2017 18:07:54 GMT
I bet even Jack the Ripper,s and Hitler's families loved them too.
You can't compare a family love to being a good person. Most serial killers families loved them too.
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Post by scorpeao on Jan 27, 2017 18:09:05 GMT
those three things in the update are very nice things...he's still and asshole who has no business being president
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Post by scorpeao on Jan 27, 2017 18:24:02 GMT
Unfortunately this crowd isn't going to allow anything nice to be said about the current POTUS. I too have heard stories of good he has done privately without a lot of fanfare. But there are those that want to only see him in a negative light and question the motive on everything he does. I'd hate to have that perspective in life! And applaud the OP for trying to do so! How many nice acts balance the scale against registering a religious group, bragging about sexual assault, denying healthcare to millions of Americans, and porking the middle class with taxes to pay for his yuge wall? Not to mention wanting to torture people, publishing a list of illegal immigrants who commit crimes (which btw did you know Hitler also had a list published weekly (could be monthly) of Jews who committed crimes?)...I could go on
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 18:54:11 GMT
How many nice acts balance the scale against registering a religious group, bragging about sexual assault, denying healthcare to millions of Americans, and porking the middle class with taxes to pay for his yuge wall? Not to mention wanting to torture people, publishing a list of illegal immigrants who commit crimes (which btw did you know Hitler also had a list published weekly (could be monthly) of Jews who committed crimes?)...I could go on Is this any different than my community paper that has a Police Blotter and lists all of the local crimes committed, with names?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 18:55:27 GMT
I saw a similar comment about how his family loves him so he can't be all bad on an article. One reply was even assholes have family that loves them. Doesn't make them less of an asshole. Very true. And even assholes have moments of decency. Unfortunately, the assholian moments outweigh the good ones. How about that time he cut off medical support for his grand-nephew. Yeah. Good loving times! Fred Trump's grandson (Donald's grand-nephew) suffered from seizures and later developed cerebral palsy. A letter sent from a Trump lawyer to the insurer after the patriarch's death in 1999 said that "all costs" for the sick child's care should be covered, regardless of caps on the plan or medical necessity, according to Johnston. That didn't last long. A week after the lawsuit was filed in court, Freddy's son (Donald's nephew) received a letter informing him that the health insurance would be discontinued, meaning his ill son would be left without coverage. Donald openly admitted to the New York Daily News that he and his siblings took this action out of revenge.
www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/what-sort-of-man-is-donald-trump
"Why should we give him medical coverage?" Trump said, adding, "They sued my father, essentially. I'm not thrilled when someone sues my father."
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Post by scorpeao on Jan 27, 2017 18:58:09 GMT
Not to mention wanting to torture people, publishing a list of illegal immigrants who commit crimes (which btw did you know Hitler also had a list published weekly (could be monthly) of Jews who committed crimes?)...I could go on Is this any different than my community paper that has a Police Blotter and lists all of the local crimes committed, with names? It is completely different when you are targeting one group.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 27, 2017 19:14:37 GMT
Is this any different than my community paper that has a Police Blotter and lists all of the local crimes committed, with names? It is completely different when you are targeting one group. Actually he's signed an executive order to list crimes committed by illegal immigrants and if a sanctuary city neglected to honor the detainer:
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