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Post by sawwhet on Jan 29, 2017 15:24:12 GMT
We had a schedule of plans for the next few years- New York City this fall, Hawaii next year, San Francisco to Seatle the year after. We are near the border. Other than day visits, I haven't travelled into the US for a while, mostly Canada and Europe. I hit the button yesterday and cancelled our reservation to NYC. I'm not crossing the border until "the Donald" is finished. I just don't have faith that it's going to be stable especially in major cities.
I really want to visit some National Parks but word on twitter is that NPS staff are terrified because the park lands have tremendous resources. By silencing the scientists, it makes it easier to change regulations and exploit those resources or sell part/all of the lands.
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Post by pyccku on Jan 29, 2017 15:30:41 GMT
Personally, I would not come. It's great to think that checks and balances and the courts will keep things from getting really bad, but would you want to be the person 'detained' until they can get the stay that allows your release?
Until yesterday, nobody thought that legal residents would be denied entry. Because it was all about the illegals. It turns out it wasn't really about the illegals at all. It was about the Muslims - or at least the ones who come from countries unlucky enough to not have Trump business interests.
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Post by sawwhet on Jan 29, 2017 15:38:08 GMT
My kids usually play in one or two hockey tournaments around the Rochester/Syracuse area. That will not be happening this year or for the foreseeable. DH and I were planning to go to Vegas but are now thinking of going to the Bahamas instead. I know the U.S is more than Trump but I don't plan on spending a cent of my tourist dollars there while he is President. We were also thinking about doing a trip of several MLB parks this summer. The planning was only in the infancy stage so it has been put on the back burner for now. We were going to watch games in NYC and Detroit. Not now I'll just buy tickets to see more games in Toronto We've redirected our game plan to Canada this year. It's our 150th Birthday and we'll enjoy a weekend in Ottawa for the July 1st party. I booked our hotel last July! We have our Parks Canada free passes and will visit a few of the sites in Ottawa and Southern Ontario and we'll camp somewhere...yet to be determined but probably Algonquin. The booking hasn't opened up yet.
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Post by msliz on Jan 29, 2017 16:04:45 GMT
... I really want to visit some National Parks but word on twitter is that NPS staff are terrified because the park lands have tremendous resources. By silencing the scientists, it makes it easier to change regulations and exploit those resources or sell part/all of the lands. I'd even be hesitant to plan a vacation to see the parks. He could close them on a whim, either because he chooses to exploit them, as you suggested, or just because he decides to cut funding, which I think is actually very likely.
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Post by monklady123 on Jan 29, 2017 16:11:55 GMT
The more I think about this... I think that states like mine will have to start doing something against the administration's attitudes. We absolutely depend on tourism and if that takes the hit that I think it will, our economy will be impacted negatively in such a way that we won't be able to ignore world opinion. There will be pushback. And my guess is even our goofy Republican governor will have something to say. But again I say this, we here in Florida are pretty nice over all. We like our traveling friends...and we welcome you with open hearts and arms. I love Miami and Florida, I've been there few times. Florida would be my destination in December. So I know how nice you are there. I know that if people don't travel to US, it hurts those in tourism industry, not Trump. But I'm hoping that if tourism takes the hit, it will send a message that the rest of the world isn't ok with this kind of politics. I spoke today with some of my friends who travel as much as me (a couple of international trips every year) and everyone of us feels the same way. We love the US, but don't want to travel there for now. I guess the positive side is that now I have more time and money to see Europe. I'm going to Italy in summer and in December -maybe London? TallennaHonestly I'd sure rather visit Italy and London than here! But...I guess that's because I live here. lol. (although for whoever said upthread about going to the Bahamas instead of Vegas..good call.) As I said earlier, my state (Virginia) depends on tourist dollars a lot. It's also mostly a red state despite actually being a blue state...those rural areas that include a lot of the tourist sites, voted for Trump. So let's see them deal with it. I'm very sorry for people whose livelihoods might be affected (the "little people" who run some sort of small business that serves tourists) but if they voted for Trump then I feel like they've reaped what they have sown. ugh. That's a terrible thing to say, but if it starts to hit people and regions economically they may start changing their opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 16:13:36 GMT
The US is such a beautiful place and there are many more places in it that I want to see. And, I do want to support the majority of you who are nothing like Trump. But if I was planning travel, it would be far too unpredictable. And I wouldn't want to look as though I was supporting Trumps America in any way. I'll wait 4 years and come back later. That is how I feel too, I've been to the US three times and there is so much more I want to see but I can wait. So no, I won't be visiting at anytime during the next four years. I also have an old school friend that has a house in Florida which they visit 2 or 3 times per year. Last night she told me they're seriously now considering selling the property. Her husband in Iranian but has lived in this country for 35 years since he was a child, he holds dual nationality and is a British trained Orthopedic surgeon. His wife and his two children can use the Easter break for vacation at their property as they usually do but now he can't and he has no idea when they can get there as a family. So non of them are going and they're going to sell up and buy somewhere else. Can't say I blame them, I personally wouldn't like to take the risk and expose that level of hatefulness to my children. How do you tell your children ...you and mummy can go on vacation but daddy can't come with you because I was born in the wrong country? I also read about Mo Farah the British Olympian distance runner who was knighted by the Queen for his services to sport only last month, He's lived for some time in Oregon with his wife and four children, mainly because the conditions are more suitable for training and his coach is American. At the moment he's in Ethiopia for altitude training but he'll have to tell his children that he doesn't know when he'll be home as the ban applies to him as he is by birth, Somalian. Here's what he had to say about it.
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Post by Mystie on Jan 29, 2017 16:13:52 GMT
It might actually be a good thing if foreign tourists start boycotting the U.S. in numbers big enough to affect tourism dollars. Then maybe congress and state leaders would get their heads out of their rumps and stand up to Trump. I agree. Using your tourist money somewhere other than the US is a good way to protest what is happening here, even though most of us will miss hosting you here. I just hope you're not all being optimistic when you say you'll be back in four years. Because I really do wonder what the US will be like in four years.
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Post by sawwhet on Jan 29, 2017 16:20:08 GMT
It might actually be a good thing if foreign tourists start boycotting the U.S. in numbers big enough to affect tourism dollars. Then maybe congress and state leaders would get their heads out of their rumps and stand up to Trump. I agree. Using your tourist money somewhere other than the US is a good way to protest what is happening here, even though most of us will miss hosting you here. I just hope you're not all being optimistic when you say you'll be back in four years. Because I really do wonder what the US will be like in four years. My Trader Joe's addiction will bring me back Most Canadians live near the border. I can go for the morning, buy groceries in the US and be back during the lunch hour.
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Post by winogirl on Jan 29, 2017 16:27:44 GMT
If I were you there is absolutely no way I'd be coming to America for the next 4 years. I wouldn't support Trump with my tourism dollars. And apparently, this country is no longer friendly to foreign people. With this latest executive order business I would not feel welcome to visit here from another country, even if I were "Christian" and not from one of the countries on that ridiculous list. Nope. I'd pick a different country to spend my travel money on. And things are getting bat shit crazy here, and we're only on week 1. I am so ashamed of my countries leaders right now. They are making an ass out of us on the world stage. I totally agree. I'm embarrassed to be an American right now. I don't blame anyone for crossing us off their travel list. If I wasn't financially stuck here, I'd move the hell out.
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Post by Mystie on Jan 29, 2017 16:45:15 GMT
I agree. Using your tourist money somewhere other than the US is a good way to protest what is happening here, even though most of us will miss hosting you here. I just hope you're not all being optimistic when you say you'll be back in four years. Because I really do wonder what the US will be like in four years. My Trader Joe's addiction will bring me back Most Canadians live near the border. I can go for the morning, buy groceries in the US and be back during the lunch hour. Trader Joe's is a good reason to come to the US! I love that store.
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Post by anonrefugee on Jan 29, 2017 16:47:53 GMT
I think the Magic in the US is in places like the Grand Canyon, the manatees in Florida, and it's people, not a contrived engineered mega-business. But reading your post makes me sad. I feared having Donald Trump represent us would result in opinions like this thread! Insulting me probably won't make me more inclined to visit. I'm not denying that there are many spectacular natural wonders in America and some of them also fall on my favourite places. But Disneyland has always been a refuge of childhood magic for my children and I and whilst I don't think Trump can spoil the beauty of natural attractions, Disneyland all of a sudden feels colder and uglier. I'm not saying that it's a rational thought process - just an emotional one. I'm sorry you took that as an insult. It wasn't meant that way at all. In my opinion the US has more to offer than Disney. Just because I like something else isn't a criticism of you. I've been joking since the 80s that one might never know we have more to offer. When travelling elsewhere. Mickey Mouse seems to be our most popular export, while we import fuel efficient cars and better electronics.
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Post by seikashaven on Jan 29, 2017 17:00:35 GMT
We just cancelled our anniversary trip to Florida. We'll be back of course, just waiting to see what happens.
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Post by tduby1 on Jan 29, 2017 17:03:08 GMT
I think the Magic in the US is in places like the Grand Canyon, the manatees in Florida, and it's people, not a contrived engineered mega-business. But reading your post makes me sad. I feared having Donald Trump represent us would result in opinions like this thread! Insulting me probably won't make me more inclined to visit. I'm not denying that there are many spectacular natural wonders in America and some of them also fall on my favourite places. But Disneyland has always been a refuge of childhood magic for my children and I and whilst I don't think Trump can spoil the beauty of natural attractions, Disneyland all of a sudden feels colder and uglier. I'm not saying that it's a rational thought process - just an emotional one. How on earth did she insult you?
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Post by Anita on Jan 29, 2017 17:14:09 GMT
I don't blame anyone for crossing the U.S. off travel plan lists. As an American, I'm now planning to take my future vacation dollars outside the U.S. as well. I even wish my trip to Alaska this summer was refundable.
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Post by valincal on Jan 29, 2017 17:23:36 GMT
I'm European and I've always loved travelling to the US. Lately I been making at least one trip a year there. Travelling to the US has never been trendy in my country. I've been asked many times why do I want to travel to the US, they have so many problems there, they are so conservative there and so on. I answered that when you look past the politics, the country is wonderful. People are friendly, food is great, shopping is amazing and there's so much to see. But now. We are entered to this grazy world of Trump. And for the first time I don't want to look past the politics. I was planning a trip to Florida for December and found myself not wanting to go. Donald Trump is disgusting man who doesn't belong to the White House. I fear that he is going to destroy the US and maybe the rest of world too. I live 180 miles from St. Petersburg and honestly, Trumps ties to Russia scare me. I am not ok with him or his politics and if I travel to US, I feel like would be showing to others that I am. And then there's safety. Of course there are terrorist attacks in Europe too, but I live in pretty safe country. Who knows what happens before December in US. I'm struggling. Do I really want to stop travelling to the US for the next four years? I wanted to see California! And Vegas! And Wyoming! eHow to you feel if you live outside the US and like travelling there? Well we own a home in the Palm Springs area so we will continue to be traveling there pretty frequently...we're heading down in a couple of weeks actually. I never feel unsafe there nor have I felt that people are politically aggressive, for lack of a better word. I haven't been down since the election but it's a very laid back community in my experience. America is full of awesome people and awesome sights so I wouldn't be deterred from traveling there.
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Post by LeaP on Jan 29, 2017 17:27:35 GMT
I've been wondering how long it would take for people to start boycotting the U.S. There have to be consequences for xenophobic rhetoric and actions. Here in California, Disneyland has temporarily reinstated the local resident discount program. This means that attendance is down. International travelers have the option to vote with their $$s. If they do, the oligarchs might listen.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 29, 2017 17:29:46 GMT
The administration announced today that it is considering asking foreign travelers for social media and contacts. I wouldn't travel to the US for fun until this all gets settled. You don't know what you potentially are facing.
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Post by sawwhet on Jan 29, 2017 17:33:45 GMT
The administration announced today that it is considering asking foreign travelers for social media and contacts. I wouldn't travel to the US for fun until this all gets settled. You don't know what you potentially are facing. WTH? You're going to end up with a civil war. Who on earth thinks that this is a good idea?
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Post by anxiousmom on Jan 29, 2017 17:38:29 GMT
The administration announced today that it is considering asking foreign travelers for social media and contacts. I wouldn't travel to the US for fun until this all gets settled. You don't know what you potentially are facing. You know what? I am a fluffy, middle aged white soccer mom whose most egregious social media move is posting baby pictures of my boys on twitter (to annoy them) ((okay, up until recently anyway)) and I would be the first one to flat out say No Fucking Way if I were asked for my social media. Look it up if you must, but you aren't getting it from me to decide if I am worthy. Where's that Mockingjay Pin??
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Post by herewegoga on Jan 29, 2017 17:42:19 GMT
I'm an American. Heaven help if they look at my social media. I have nothing good to say about Trump or his cronies. It's probably just a matter f time until they look for a reason to infringe upon my personal freedoms simply because I can't stand the man.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 29, 2017 17:43:57 GMT
I know we have no intentions of going to the US as long as Trump is president, and several people I work with feel the same way. It just doesn't feel like it's as safe anymore. I live only a few hours from the border, and sometimes wish it was a little further. My boss is going to Mexico instead of Vegas in February partly because he doesn't want to feel like he's supporting Trump either. In all honesty, I've travelled to places much more dangerous than the US. I've also gone to places that have a shitty track record with minorities. My 17-year-old brought this up during our discussion last night. The reason that we have decided to avoid US travel right now is that things are currently uncertain and, as my younger son pointed out, present circumstances aside, the US isn't culturally much different from us so, other than some cool physical attractions (as someone mentioned earlier, the Grand Canyon), we can pretty much have similar experiences here at home. Risk:reward.
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Post by Enna on Jan 29, 2017 17:45:16 GMT
The administration announced today that it is considering asking foreign travelers for social media and contacts. I wouldn't travel to the US for fun until this all gets settled. You don't know what you potentially are facing. I think I made the right choice. I don't want to take part in this graziness. Canada is starting to look like a good option. Where are the best places to travel in the summer?
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 29, 2017 17:46:49 GMT
The administration announced today that it is considering asking foreign travelers for social media and contacts. I wouldn't travel to the US for fun until this all gets settled. You don't know what you potentially are facing. Pfft, I don't even give the US my fingerprints (privileges of being Canadian). I'm sure as hell not going to willingly give them access to my social interactions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 17:48:37 GMT
The administration announced today that it is considering asking foreign travelers for social media and contacts. I wouldn't travel to the US for fun until this all gets settled. You don't know what you potentially are facing. Are they frigging serious? Oh hell it's getting worse by the hour.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 29, 2017 17:48:46 GMT
The administration announced today that it is considering asking foreign travelers for social media and contacts. I wouldn't travel to the US for fun until this all gets settled. You don't know what you potentially are facing. I think I made the right choice. I don't want to take part in this graziness. Canada is starting to look like a good option. Where are the best places to travel in the summer? Newfoundland, PEI, Québec City, Montréal, Banff, Vancouver Island.
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Post by jenis40 on Jan 29, 2017 17:56:46 GMT
I was just getting ready to purchase a plane ticket for stem cell donor to come visit us this summer (she is German). While I don't think the US will be denying entry to German citizens I am a bit concerned about increased terrorism thanks to the gift Trump has just given to extremists.
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Post by icequeen on Jan 29, 2017 18:00:51 GMT
The administration announced today that it is considering asking foreign travelers for social media and contacts. I wouldn't travel to the US for fun until this all gets settled. You don't know what you potentially are facing. I think I made the right choice. I don't want to take part in this graziness. Canada is starting to look like a good option. Where are the best places to travel in the summer? Toronto, Calgary, the Rockies or Laurentians, Ottawa, Niagara Falls - lots to see and do here.
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Post by milocat on Jan 29, 2017 18:32:23 GMT
The crappy Canadian dollar has kept us away the last few vacations. Before though the US was ideal. We could get there easily within a day and when my kids only have a week off school I don't want to spend time traveling. I want to spend time in the sun in the middle of winter. I have mixed feelings on supporting Trump. By not supporting him we're also not supporting the American people and their tourism economy. I will stop going if I feel like it's threat. We've had our winter vacay this year (to Mexico) so we'll see what next year brings, probably Mexico again. Enna All of Canada is beautiful! All National Parks are free this year for our 150th!
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 29, 2017 18:40:26 GMT
The administration announced today that it is considering asking foreign travelers for social media and contacts. I wouldn't travel to the US for fun until this all gets settled. You don't know what you potentially are facing. What!?!??
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Post by pyccku on Jan 29, 2017 18:59:37 GMT
Yeah, remember that "slippery slope" that used to be a thing? This isn't a slope, it's a frickin' landslide.
How long before other countries (besides Iran) decide that Americans are just not worth the risk - or that they will treat us the same way we treat their citizens? I can't say that I blame them.
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