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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 8, 2017 16:16:12 GMT
Trump illiterate? So your theory is someone else is writing his tweets? There's been more than a few times when he's used a teleprompter - which is probably a better example of ability to read than a deposition. I'll file this under yet another example of liberals being susceptible to fake news. I'm curious if you watched the video. Because one section showed a tweet from Trump where he came right out and said that his time is too valuable to type out his own tweets so he dictates them to someone else to type for him. I don't think that in any way means the man can't read. But it certainly does mean that man most certainly does have someone else writing out his words into tweets--at least some of the time. SaveAlmost more disturbing! Instead of hiring someone to provide constructive advice, he's got minions blindly doing his bidding. A friend's Dad (now in his 80s) has dyslexia. He says he learned very early to hire a secretary to correct his notes, and review his correspondence.
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Post by melanell on Feb 8, 2017 16:18:04 GMT
And add to that how often he makes comments about how smart he is. Almost like he is trying to convince himself, as well as the public. I've said it before...those who profess to be so smart are usually total frauds. My step-dad is genius level smart...brilliant really. I've never heard him, or his colleagues, say anything about being smart. Furthermore, I work in the science field around some pretty damn smart people, and again, I don't hear them talking about how smart they are. I've actually never heard any other adult go on and on about how smart they supposedly are besides him. It strikes me as such incredibly childish behavior. It's the kind of thing I can remember kids arguing about in elementary & middle school. Even by high school we were by and large far too old to still be going on about things like that. (Well, at least not to other adults. I've heard more than one parent ask their child if the child thought they were so dumb, stupid, etc., that they couldn't guess or see what said child was doing that they shouldn't be. ) Save
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 8, 2017 17:32:24 GMT
I wouldn't go as far as to say that he can't actually " read" but more that his comprehension of the written word is practically non existent. Which to me confirms the fact he doesn't read reports/contracts/leases and such like because he doesn't understand them. He doesn't have the vocabulary knowledge which explains his constant use of the same words every time he speaks. It wasn't just that he needed reading glasses to read that lease in the video. The lawyer asked his to read it and tell them what it meant to him.A big part of comprehension is having a sufficient vocabulary, or knowing the meanings of enough words. Readers who have strong comprehension are able to draw conclusions about what they read – what is important, what is a fact, what caused an event to happen, which characters are funny. Thus comprehension involves combining reading with thinking and reasoning.IMO he doesn't have any of the bolded part. I would go as far as to suggest that he has dyslexia. Dyslexia has a broad spectrum and one of the most severe is the inability to understand the meaning of the words you are reading. not through a lack of reading but your brain can't discipher the text onto anything meaningful. Your take on this is interesting and makes a lot of sense. I have long suspected that one of my older sisters has an undiagnosed learning disability that was never addressed when she was in school (she is 60 now, so not all that far behind Trump in age). I would guess she reads and comprehends at about a 4th-5th grade level. While she can probably sound out the words on the page enough to read them, she often has to read things multiple times (and even then ask what certain words mean) before she can even begin to comprehend what the thing actually says.
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Post by compwalla on Feb 8, 2017 18:18:51 GMT
I wouldn't go as far as to say that he can't actually " read" but more that his comprehension of the written word is practically non existent. Which to me confirms the fact he doesn't read reports/contracts/leases and such like because he doesn't understand them. He doesn't have the vocabulary knowledge which explains his constant use of the same words every time he speaks. It wasn't just that he needed reading glasses to read that lease in the video. The lawyer asked his to read it and tell them what it meant to him.A big part of comprehension is having a sufficient vocabulary, or knowing the meanings of enough words. Readers who have strong comprehension are able to draw conclusions about what they read – what is important, what is a fact, what caused an event to happen, which characters are funny. Thus comprehension involves combining reading with thinking and reasoning.IMO he doesn't have any of the bolded part. I would go as far as to suggest that he has dyslexia. Dyslexia has a broad spectrum and one of the most severe is the inability to understand the meaning of the words you are reading. not through a lack of reading but your brain can't discipher the text onto anything meaningful. Your take on this is interesting and makes a lot of sense. I have long suspected that one of my older sisters has an undiagnosed learning disability that was never addressed when she was in school (she is 60 now, so not all that far behind Trump in age). I would guess she reads and comprehends at about a 4th-5th grade level. While she can probably sound out the words on the page enough to read them, she often has to read things multiple times (and even then ask what certain words mean) before she can even begin to comprehend what the thing actually says. The inability to parse what you read is what makes a person functionally illiterate. Knowing how to read a word doesn't help you if when you read a bunch of words, you can't make sense of their meaning when taken together. I think trump can read words but I don't think he has good comprehension. And he is vested heavily in hiding this. His love of Twitter and distaste for complete sentences belies this.
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Post by scrapngranny on Feb 8, 2017 18:36:34 GMT
This does seem to explain a lot of things. My guess is that he is dyslexic and has ADHD. He is of the age that there wasn't any recognition or help for these conditions. He was probably teased by his classmates and he built coping mechanisms along with many insecurities. It does his constant need to be the best and never be wrong as well his phonetic spelling in tweets. He has but himself in a position to be exposed to the world.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 18:52:16 GMT
And add to that how often he makes comments about how smart he is. Almost like he is trying to convince himself, as well as the public. I've said it before...those who profess to be so smart are usually total frauds. My step-dad is genius level smart...brilliant really. I've never heard him, or his colleagues, say anything about being smart. Furthermore, I work in the science field around some pretty damn smart people, and again, I don't hear them talking about how smart they are. You are so right! My husband actually says he is dumb! Ha! He does Mensa puzzles in his head.
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Post by gardengoddess on Feb 8, 2017 19:23:02 GMT
Trump illiterate? So your theory is someone else is writing his tweets? There's been more than a few times when he's used a teleprompter - which is probably a better example of ability to read than a deposition. I'll file this under yet another example of liberals being susceptible to fake news. He has said on several occasions that he dictates his tweets. It is even shown in the linked video. He also boasts - again, shown in the video - that he doesn't follow what's on the teleprompter all the time. There is also a difference between being able to say the words you see, and comprehending what you are reading. Funny that a teleprompter was mentioned because I sure do remember the conservative outrage and mockery of then President Obama's use of a teleprompter especially by Donald's best buddy Sean Hannity. That asshole is sure singing a different tune to the use of that tool now.
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Post by annaintx on Feb 8, 2017 19:42:13 GMT
I've long thought he was functionally illiterate. I have a son with ADHD and I have often wondered if perhaps Trump has ADHD which can make it difficult for some people to learn to read. I also think some of his bluster could be explained by embarrassment over not being literate. He could turn this into a huge positive though. Can you imagine what a huge inspiration he would be if he admitted it and was getting help or it. For learning disabled kids it would be amazing for them to know they could go all the way to being President. This would mean that the man would have redeeming qualities. I don't see any at this point, nor do I hold out hope anymore that he will have any.
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Post by peano on Feb 8, 2017 21:04:31 GMT
I just read this today, and although it is a humor piece, it does offer more evidence that Trump has trouble with English.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 8, 2017 22:39:09 GMT
I just read this today, and although it is a humor piece, it does offer more evidence that Trump has trouble with English.
linkI just don't know whether to laugh or cry after reading that, but thanks for sharing. I didn't watch the video in the OP before commenting earlier, but it is worth watching just to see Pete Davidson (5:23 mark) talking about Trump avoiding having to read his lines when he hosted SNL. From now on everytime I see him and Ivanka together I know I will hear "let's go, turkey legs" in my head.
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Post by icequeen on Feb 8, 2017 23:02:57 GMT
I've long thought he was functionally illiterate. I have a son with ADHD and I have often wondered if perhaps Trump has ADHD which can make it difficult for some people to learn to read. I also think some of his bluster could be explained by embarrassment over not being literate. He could turn this into a huge positive though. Can you imagine what a huge inspiration he would be if he admitted it and was getting help or it. For learning disabled kids it would be amazing for them to know they could go all the way to being President. This could be turned into a positive if public schools were given money to support special needs teachers and students. Sadly, that doesn't seem to be on the agenda this week. SaveSave
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 8, 2017 23:06:34 GMT
I just read this today, and although it is a humor piece, it does offer more evidence that Trump has trouble with English.
linkMy goodness. Kudos to the author for a clever piece.
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 8, 2017 23:29:38 GMT
Just watched the video. Not sure how I feel about the reading/comprehension abilities, although the guy makes a pretty good case. But how did this guy get to where he is? He has no social skills, limited communication abilities and relies on everyone else to help him function. What is it about him that makes the people around him cater to him like they do? How do you get to be a real estate mogul without even knowing what's in the deals you're making?
Unless in his younger days he was different, and has lost ability over the years?
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Post by BlueDiamond on Feb 8, 2017 23:39:25 GMT
Just watched the video. Not sure how I feel about the reading/comprehension abilities, although the guy makes a pretty good case. But how did this guy get to where he is? He has no social skills, limited communication abilities and relies on everyone else to help him function. What is it about him that makes the people around him cater to him like they do? How do you get to be a real estate mogul without even knowing what's in the deals you're making? Unless in his younger days he was different, and has lost ability over the years? Money. SaveSave
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Post by elaine on Feb 8, 2017 23:49:11 GMT
Just watched the video. Not sure how I feel about the reading/comprehension abilities, although the guy makes a pretty good case. But how did this guy get to where he is? He has no social skills, limited communication abilities and relies on everyone else to help him function. What is it about him that makes the people around him cater to him like they do? How do you get to be a real estate mogul without even knowing what's in the deals you're making? Unless in his younger days he was different, and has lost ability over the years? Money. SaveSave In a capitalist society, money can purchase anything.
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Post by BlueDiamond on Feb 8, 2017 23:50:30 GMT
In a capitalist society, money can purchase anything. We have seen this time and again. Affluenza anybody???!?!? SaveSave
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Post by imkat on Feb 8, 2017 23:59:19 GMT
I just read this today, and although it is a humor piece, it does offer more evidence that Trump has trouble with English.
linkOmg hilarious 😂
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 9, 2017 0:11:57 GMT
In a capitalist society, money can purchase anything. As much as Trump likes to portray himself as a selfmade billionaire, he went to work in the family business and surrounded himself with trusted advisors. He blustered and bluffed his way through life without reading documents and contracts he has signed.
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Post by pjaye on Feb 9, 2017 1:07:20 GMT
He blustered and bluffed his way through life without reading documents and contracts he has signed I think this is a lot of it. When I was looking at that video another one popped up that I think was made during the election from one of The Apprentice winners Randal Pinkett. )I'll see if I can find it again) but he says before he met Trump he thought he was a very successful business man and then he worked with him for a year and said basically much of it was exaggerated and he wasn't nearly as wealthy as he always portrayed and he also said he didn't think Trump was fit to be President.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 9, 2017 1:13:43 GMT
I think he certainly can read. He has the ability to read in general. For me the question is "How well?". But the ability to focus on long works or large blocks of print, to read easily, or to comprehend more difficult papers, articles, contracts, etc., is an entirely different matter. His never-ending Twitter use indicates that he can at least focus on, read, & comprehend small bites at a time. But that is far, far from the amount of literacy I would expect from the POTUS. And I could certainly believe that he may have some sort of reading or learning disability or some sort of attention deficit disorder. Maybe he just needs to read books in Twitter format. Can you imagine how long it would take to read War and Peace? lol. So they should tweet his security briefings? . Jk
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Post by imsirius on Feb 9, 2017 13:51:47 GMT
He blustered and bluffed his way through life without reading documents and contracts he has signed I think this is a lot of it. When I was looking at that video another one popped up that I think was made during the election from one of The Apprentice winners Randal Pinkett. )I'll see if I can find it again) but he says before he met Trump he thought he was a very successful business man and then he worked with him for a year and said basically much of it was exaggerated and he wasn't nearly as wealthy as he always portrayed and he also said he didn't think Trump was fit to be President. I know I keep bringing him up, but Tony Schwartz said the exact same thing. www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-frontline-interview-tony-schwartz/
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Post by pjaye on Feb 9, 2017 14:27:42 GMT
That's very interesting, but at the same time scary reading. It still defies all logic that this man could have become the President.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Feb 10, 2017 0:30:56 GMT
This does seem to explain a lot of things. My guess is that he is dyslexic and has ADHD. He is of the age that there wasn't any recognition or help for these conditions. He was probably teased by his classmates and he built coping mechanisms along with many insecurities. It does his constant need to be the best and never be wrong as well his phonetic spelling in tweets. He has but himself in a position to be exposed to the world. Yes. And for several months I have suspected autism, but his inappropriate behavior and social skills may be a cover for LD. Common ploy to distract so people don't figure out he can't read.
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Post by llinin on Feb 10, 2017 2:12:24 GMT
This does seem to explain a lot of things. My guess is that he is dyslexic and has ADHD. He is of the age that there wasn't any recognition or help for these conditions. He was probably teased by his classmates and he built coping mechanisms along with many insecurities. It does his constant need to be the best and never be wrong as well his phonetic spelling in tweets. He has but himself in a position to be exposed to the world. Yes. And for several months I have suspected autism, but his inappropriate behavior and social skills may be a cover for LD. Common ploy to distract so people don't figure out he can't read. FFS, every asshole does NOT have autism. Someone else on this thread mentioned mental retardation. Are you people even remotely familiar with these? How many real people are affected by them? How offensive it is when you throw the terms around as insults? How hard it is for people with autism and/or intellectual disabilities to be accepted in our society? But please, carry on with your tolerant selves.
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Post by icequeen on Feb 10, 2017 2:21:09 GMT
The quote, "The truth doesn’t mean much to Donald Trump." is absolutely terrifying considering his role in government.
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Post by imsirius on Feb 10, 2017 2:30:24 GMT
The quote, "The truth doesn’t mean much to Donald Trump." is absolutely terrifying considering his role in government. His interview with the New Yorker is even scarier.
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Post by elaine on Feb 10, 2017 4:06:23 GMT
This does seem to explain a lot of things. My guess is that he is dyslexic and has ADHD. He is of the age that there wasn't any recognition or help for these conditions. He was probably teased by his classmates and he built coping mechanisms along with many insecurities. It does his constant need to be the best and never be wrong as well his phonetic spelling in tweets. He has but himself in a position to be exposed to the world. Yes. And for several months I have suspected autism, but his inappropriate behavior and social skills may be a cover for LD. Common ploy to distract so people don't figure out he can't read. I have NEVER known anyone with autism to be mean and vindictive. And I know and have known at least a hundred or so people with the disorder. Please don't malign people with autism.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Feb 10, 2017 5:00:54 GMT
Yes. And for several months I have suspected autism, but his inappropriate behavior and social skills may be a cover for LD. Common ploy to distract so people don't figure out he can't read. I have NEVER known anyone with autism to be mean and vindictive. And I know and have known at least a hundred or so people with the disorder. Please don't malign people with autism. I am on the spectrum, I have Aspergers. I speak waaaay too much sometimes and my social skills suck. Usually for me, not for others. However, I do not lie. I read more than I do anything else. Generalisations suck. Please think again.
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Post by imsirius on Feb 10, 2017 12:41:08 GMT
Yes. And for several months I have suspected autism, but his inappropriate behavior and social skills may be a cover for LD. Common ploy to distract so people don't figure out he can't read. I have NEVER known anyone with autism to be mean and vindictive. And I know and have known at least a hundred or so people with the disorder. Please don't malign people with autism. Yes! My son is on the spectrum and he can't lie either. He is so "by the book." He also has never mocked or belittled anyone. He is so very calm all the time.
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