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Post by pjaye on Feb 8, 2017 4:17:11 GMT
This is a bit disturbing. It makes sense of some of the things we have seen from Trump.
From the David Pakman Show
Published on 2 Feb 2017
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 8, 2017 4:33:43 GMT
Well. That would certainly explain a lot!  |
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Post by pjaye on Feb 8, 2017 4:35:46 GMT
I just realised there's a second video by the same guy YouTube link |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 8, 2017 4:43:28 GMT
I've posted before about my deep curiosity, as a special education teacher, about this man's literacy skills.
I can't help but imagine the difference in nightly reading material between a President Donald Trump and a President Hillary Clinton.
I remember reading once that Bill and Hillary Clinton each had a nightstand piled high with books and journals and policy papers, and would pass things back and forth and discuss. Friends and colleagues reported that they shared both an insatiable thirst for knowledge and a need to bounce things off each other. And I also remember reading about President Obama's prodigious ability to read and synthesize information.
(I thought the deposition example in the video didn't help make the case, though. Nobody asked him to read aloud, so the claim of awkwardness is a stretch. He read silently and then verbally summarized, as he was asked. Some of the other examples, though, were disturbing.)
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Post by mimima on Feb 8, 2017 4:45:24 GMT
I said to my husband that I had to assume that Donald Trump read until I was told otherwise. This was a comment on an article about the previous president who read to relax. As a voracious reader, that resonated.
Anyway, sadly, now I've been told otherwise.
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Post by pjaye on Feb 8, 2017 4:57:36 GMT
Nobody asked him to to read aloud, so the claim of awkwardness is a stretch. He read silently and then verbally summarized, as he was asked No the point wasn't that they asked him to read out loud they asked him to read it and explain what he understands it to mean...and he can't and doesn't do that. He doesn't read it silently and then looks up and says "I think it means..." which is what you would expect someone to do, he basically doesn't read it; he makes excuses about his glasses, flips through scanning, mumbles a little but seemingly doesn't answer the questions of what his understanding of that passage is. "Everything but the kitchen sink" is a flippant answer for a disposition and shows that he either didn't read it or couldn't understand what was written. |
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Post by scorpeao on Feb 8, 2017 5:06:28 GMT
I also thought the deposition example didn't make the case either. The lack of glasses the night of the election was a stretch as well...we don't know how big the font was.
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Post by papersilly on Feb 8, 2017 5:40:03 GMT
DH sent me this yesterday and it's very disturbing. Seriously. Can you imagine?
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 8, 2017 5:50:36 GMT
Nobody asked him to to read aloud, so the claim of awkwardness is a stretch. He read silently and then verbally summarized, as he was asked No the point wasn't that they asked him to read out loud they asked him to read it and explain what he understands it to mean...and he can't and doesn't do that. He doesn't read it silently and then looks up and says "I think it means..." which is what you would expect someone to do, he basically doesn't read it; he makes excuses about his glasses, flips through scanning, mumbles a little but seemingly doesn't answer the questions of what his understanding of that passage is. "Everything but the kitchen sink" is a flippant answer for a disposition and shows that he either didn't read it or couldn't understand what was written. Well, we all know he can't TALK. LOL. There's no denying that. I just don't think we can make hard and fast conclusions about his reading comprehension from this exchange. It's not enough information. I couldn't do it when evaluating a student; I'd need more evidence. But in total? Anecdotally? Sure, he appears to be a stranger to close reading. That said, I was frankly surprised he came out with "aggregate." Heh. |
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 8, 2017 6:14:11 GMT
Meh. Too much speculation on this one. I'm not a fan of Donald Trump Well, we all know he can't TALK. LOL. There's no denying that. I just don't think we can make hard and fast conclusions about his reading comprehension from this exchange. It's not enough information. I couldn't do it when evaluating a student; I'd need more evidence. But in total? Anecdotally? Sure, he appears to be a stranger to close reading. That said, I was frankly surprised he came out with "aggregate." Heh.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 6:21:29 GMT
I mentioned before that an old boss of mine said that the only way he graduated college is his father donated tons of money.
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Post by pjaye on Feb 8, 2017 6:32:45 GMT
I just don't think we can make hard and fast conclusions about his reading comprehension from this exchange. It's not enough information. Oh I agree with that, you couldn't draw any conclusions from this about his actual reading ability. However I do think some of the points made in this are interesting, especially about his attitude and how he is seen to treat the written word, documents etc. I've read from a few different sources and seen interviews where he has been asked about reading and books and he's basically said his favourite book is the bible and then his own book. When asked about his heroes he says his dad and then babbles on about himself. So I do think there's enough evidence to show that he isn't a reader, and there have also been numerous sources that have come out with the short attention span thing and how he prefers TV over books and needs to be kept on task. I highly doubt he can't actually read, but I do think there is evidence there that he isn't a very good reader and that he tries hard to cover this up. When he talks, like the most recent speech about terrorists he sounds like he's doing story time at a grade school. That Black History month speech was a complete clusterf**ck of nonsense as well. I think that's a concern when it comes to being President as no doubt there are a lot of documents, contracts, files etc etc that are compulsory reading for him, and if he's not reading them, well... If he thinks it's OK to get a 200 page report on something and to flip through and think he's "got the gist of it" then that's going to be an issue when it comes to his understanding of political situations and how he deals with them. |
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Post by kernriver on Feb 8, 2017 6:42:52 GMT
My husband and I both agree Trump is mentally retarded. I dont know how to put that in PC speak, but we dont think the guy has all his marbles. That combined with the fact that he has mental issues and is a giant asshole makes him a dangerous and poor president. So the fact that people are questioning his ability to read does not come as a shock. It actually makes a lot of sense.
i have been voting for probably longer than most of you on this board and Ive never called a president an asshole. Or any other name. But it seems just about every day I read something and say to myself, "what an asshole"
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 8, 2017 6:49:23 GMT
Makes some sense. His spoken English is said to be equivalent to that of a 10 year old, and the way he signs his signature reminded me of a child who had practiced and practiced and was showing us how clever he was. The only thing missing was that he didn't have his tongue sticking out of the corner of his mouth.
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Post by gar on Feb 8, 2017 8:24:36 GMT
the way he signs his signature reminded me of a child who had practiced and practiced and was showing us how clever he was. The only thing missing was that he didn't have his tongue sticking out of the corner of his mouth. Yes, that's it! Thank you for clarifying the vague thought I'd had recently, watching him sign documents! |
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Post by sueg on Feb 8, 2017 8:29:39 GMT
Makes some sense. His spoken English is said to be equivalent to that of a 10 year old, and the way he signs his signature reminded me of a child who had practiced and practiced and was showing us how clever he was. The only thing missing was that he didn't have his tongue sticking out of the corner of his mouth. And add to that how often he makes comments about how smart he is. Almost like he is trying to convince himself, as well as the public. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 10:15:59 GMT
I don't know that there is enough evidence to support him being illiterate. What DID bother me was his obvious attempt to truthfully answer in the deposition by purposely evading what was on the document. This points directly to his character and illustrates what a cheat he is. That is far more disturbing to me than his oratory skills.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 10:31:23 GMT
I wouldn't go as far as to say that he can't actually " read" but more that his comprehension of the written word is practically non existent. Which to me confirms the fact he doesn't read reports/contracts/leases and such like because he doesn't understand them. He doesn't have the vocabulary knowledge which explains his constant use of the same words every time he speaks. It wasn't just that he needed reading glasses to read that lease in the video. The lawyer asked his to read it and tell them what it meant to him.
A big part of comprehension is having a sufficient vocabulary, or knowing the meanings of enough words. Readers who have strong comprehension are able to draw conclusions about what they read – what is important, what is a fact, what caused an event to happen, which characters are funny. Thus comprehension involves combining reading with thinking and reasoning.
IMO he doesn't have any of the bolded part. I would go as far as to suggest that he has dyslexia. Dyslexia has a broad spectrum and one of the most severe is the inability to understand the meaning of the words you are reading. not through a lack of reading but your brain can't discipher the text onto anything meaningful.
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Post by llinin on Feb 8, 2017 10:35:19 GMT
My husband and I both agree Trump is mentally retarded. I dont know how to put that in PC speak, but we dont think the guy has all his marbles. That combined with the fact that he has mental issues and is a giant asshole makes him a dangerous and poor president. So the fact that people are questioning his ability to read does not come as a shock. It actually makes a lot of sense. i have been voting for probably longer than most of you on this board and Ive never called a president an asshole. Or any other name. But it seems just about every day I read something and say to myself, "what an asshole" Your use of the term asshole is far less offensive than using the term mentally retarded as an insult. |
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Post by imkat on Feb 8, 2017 10:56:39 GMT
Maybe dyslexia?
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Post by imsirius on Feb 8, 2017 11:43:34 GMT
You could see panic in his eyes when she asks him to read. His body language didn't change but his eyes did. He repeated "you want me to read this?" and the underlying panic set in. He covered well, but you could see he was very uncomfortable after that. I think he paused to calm down inside and figure out what to say.
Why would his lawyer try to prevent him from reading it if he CAN read and interpret it. His lawyer kept trying to keep him from reading it.
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Post by mallie on Feb 8, 2017 12:21:31 GMT
I don't know that there is enough evidence to support him being illiterate. What DID bother me was his obvious attempt to truthfully answer in the deposition by purposely evading what was on the document. This points directly to his character and illustrates what a cheat he is. That is far more disturbing to me than his oratory skills. There is a reason why so many New Yorkers did not trust him. The guy was in real estate development in NYC. He has been in bed with far shadier criminals than Putin for decades, his moral boundaries -- if he had any originally --were compromised long ago. Plus the many stories of him cheating people, including small business especially are legion. Don the Con is in the White House. What is of far more concern to me and makes me wonder even more about his judgment and acumen is the NYT article in which he is reported to have been angry at staff who he blames for not explaining the EOs he has been signing. It is your fucking responsibility to read what you are signing. Business 101, for starters. Whythe hell would you sign contracts without reading and full comprehension of the contents and consequences? Lazy, illiterate, stupid? Dangerous. His idiocy and fascism are going to be tragic for this country. |
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Post by terri on Feb 8, 2017 12:27:52 GMT
I've long thought he was functionally illiterate. I have a son with ADHD and I have often wondered if perhaps Trump has ADHD which can make it difficult for some people to learn to read. I also think some of his bluster could be explained by embarrassment over not being literate. He could turn this into a huge positive though. Can you imagine what a huge inspiration he would be if he admitted it and was getting help or it. For learning disabled kids it would be amazing for them to know they could go all the way to being President.
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Post by imsirius on Feb 8, 2017 12:37:13 GMT
Very dangerous. More proof that they know he is just a puppet for Bannon?
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Post by jennyap on Feb 8, 2017 12:38:15 GMT
I've long thought he was functionally illiterate.
I agree. Whether there is enough evidence to make a clear determination I'm not so sure, but it certainly makes more sense to me than anything else.
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Post by imsirius on Feb 8, 2017 12:40:07 GMT
I've long thought he was functionally illiterate. I have a son with ADHD and I have often wondered if perhaps Trump has ADHD which can make it difficult for some people to learn to read. I also think some of his bluster could be explained by embarrassment over not being literate. He could turn this into a huge positive though. Can you imagine what a huge inspiration he would be if he admitted it and was getting help or it. For learning disabled kids it would be amazing for them to know they could go all the way to being President. He will NEVER, in his lifetime, admit that he cannot read or has ADHD or any disability. He is far too NPD to do that. He thinks he's perfect. He wants the world to think he's perfect too. His whole façade would be blown! If someone ever got a hold of his school report cards/transcripts; I truly wonder what they would reveal. |
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Post by peppermintpatty on Feb 8, 2017 12:48:54 GMT
I have always said that he has ADD. It is completely clear that he does. I have it and while I can read well, without my meds, it has always been difficult for me to read for long periods of time and to be able to really grasp what I am reading. The first press conference he had, he couldn't stand still. Baron has more composure than he does.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 8, 2017 13:03:47 GMT
If someone ever got a hold of his school report cards/transcripts; I truly wonder what they would reveal. Well, we could hearken back to 2012 and (maybe take up a collection here to) offer five million dollars to charity in exchange for Mr. Trump's release of his grades. And we could then blame him for the negative effect of the charity contribution NOT happening...because that makes complete sense. |
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Post by pjaye on Feb 8, 2017 13:03:56 GMT
And so much for his security briefings that he doesn't attend in person and those people here who claimed he probably read them instead...it seems very doubtful in the light of this.
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Post by imsirius on Feb 8, 2017 13:15:06 GMT
If someone ever got a hold of his school report cards/transcripts; I truly wonder what they would reveal. Well, we could hearken back to 2012 and (maybe take up a collection here to) offer five million dollars to charity in exchange for Mr. Trump's release of his grades. And we could then blame him for the negative effect of the charity contribution NOT happening...because that makes complete sense. I love Obama's sense of humour. Lol |
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