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Post by impearia on Feb 14, 2017 0:11:01 GMT
Check this out: This is a new piece of Dear Lizzy paper from the Lovely Day collection called "Beep Beep". I saw this paper and I thought, "I have a piece of paper like this somewhere..." Wait for it... Look how much it looks like a recoloured version of THIS October Afternoon paper from Weathervane. the paper is called "Cozy Home": There is NO way the designer hadn't previously seen that OA paper. So here is my question...how do you feel about this? Good? Bad? Indifferent? Is it okay to so obviously reuse someone else's ideas? Save
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Post by myboysnme on Feb 14, 2017 0:19:28 GMT
i think designers are out of ideas. The designer would likely point out all the differences between the two. The first thing I think of is back in the heyday of 2Peas and the Pub board, people were wanting to be credited when their work inspired someone else's work. They would put up their layout and when someone else did something similar they would get upset if they weren't acknowledged.
Long ago scrapbooking pretty much exhausted most of all the possibilities of what can be done on a 12x12 piece of paper. No matter what you do at this point you can pull an 'inspiration' piece, even if the two never saw each other's work at all. Because it has all been done already.
And because supplies come and go a designer can get away with reinventing a previously seen pattern and people will embrace it anyway.
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Post by impearia on Feb 14, 2017 0:33:29 GMT
myboysnme I know what you mean about everything being done before! And to be honest, I don't know if it IS a bad thing being inspired by the past. Everyone here seems to want older lines redone a la Rocket Age...and Carta Bella comes out with Space Academy, I say "Great!" (I still need some of that!) And I do remember stuff from the Pub like you mentioned. I do think it is NICE to give people credit though, if you were obviously inspired by someone and you just post it as your own idea. I can think of a certain You Tube personality that constantly takes other people's designs and never mentions how she was inspired by someone else. And it is SO obvious. If you aren't making a profit I guess it isn't a big deal, but...I don't know it can rub me the wrong way.
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 14, 2017 0:38:36 GMT
Good question. I do wonder if Weathervane was the first to come up with that pattern though. It seems inspiration is taken from everywhere and it is hard to know where the pattern actually began.
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Post by impearia on Feb 14, 2017 0:41:25 GMT
Good question. I do wonder if Weathervane was the first to come up with that pattern though. It seems inspiration is taken from everywhere and it is hard to know where the pattern actually began. Another good point. I have seen fabrics that I think have inspired scrapbook papers too, so you never know. It is impossible )probably) to know where a design originated. I did think, however, the DL paper was SO similar to the OA one ...in scale, clouds, trees, VW bugs! Save
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 14, 2017 0:43:59 GMT
Good question. I do wonder if Weathervane was the first to come up with that pattern though. It seems inspiration is taken from everywhere and it is hard to know where the pattern actually began. Another good point. I have seen fabrics that I think have inspired scrapbook papers too, so you never know. It is impossible )probably) to know where a design originated. I did think, however, the DL paper was SO similar to the OA one ...in scale, clouds, trees, VW bugs! SaveTrue. I hope the designer changed it enough not to get into trouble though.
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Post by scrappyem on Feb 14, 2017 1:10:14 GMT
Both of those look like they were originally inspired by Scandinavian folk artists to me which goes way back before OA's time. I do think people need to give credit (the recent Paige Evans scandal comes to mind where she clearly copied another artist) but there is not a whole lot that is truly original anymore. I recently saw this tedtalk on this topic and found it pretty interesting: ed.ted.com/on/JkoLAuJQ
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Post by grammadee on Feb 14, 2017 1:19:42 GMT
I see the similarities, but the different colour palette makes the Dear Lizzy one look like an original take. I happen to prefer the OA one because, although it is a line drawing, it looks mort authentic to me because of the colours. As 950nancy pointed out, there have been other suburban neighbourhood designs out there, with different details, and with different colour options. I am a big fan of houses and trees on pp, and will often pick up at least a few sheets of them. Not a big fan of the DL page, but not a huge fan of all the pink
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Post by melanell on Feb 14, 2017 2:28:47 GMT
That's a very common & popular motif. I can recall seeing things similar to that long before scrapbooking hit its peak. Particularly the OA one. That has a very vintage feel to me. The Beep Beep definitely has a modernized feel to me. The familiarity of the OA paper definitely is tied to the neat rows for me. Whatever I have seen in the past had the neat little rows. So just in the scattered print alone, the Dear Lizzy paper loses the vintage feel to me. But yes, I certainly agree that they have a similar theme to them. But it's not something that would bother me. I recall a paper awhile back from WRMK, I believe, that was way too close to something else already out there, and that one really bothered me. But this one doesn't bother me in the least. ETA: I remembered what the OA reminds me of, but I can't show it to you because it's packed away with Christmas things. I have a little bit of a vintage wrapping paper with a winter scene very similar to the OA. It's houses & trees, but with a sleigh & horses in place of the cars, and it's in blues & whites & golds, but the feel is the same. The same style of artwork and in repeating rows. Instead of leaves in the wind, it's swirls of snow. Save
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Post by nicolep on Feb 14, 2017 2:54:22 GMT
I am probably going to say something that is not very nice but nothing Liz Kartchner does is original to me and every thing that has her name on it looks exactly the same as the previous. Her IG feed rubbed me the wrong way to the point that I quit following her a long time ago. Who lives every day in a perfect world, a perfect house, perfect clothes and who is constantly promoting herself and her family with perfect photos. I thought she was a scrapbook designer? I don't know. It's odd to me and doesn't interest me in the least lol.
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Post by katers415 on Feb 14, 2017 3:42:34 GMT
It's funny, when I read the title to this thread I immediately thought of this same DL collection and how she used hot air balloons as a motif. Remember when hot air balloons used to be everywhere in scrapbook lines? I was never a fan of them because I always had a hard time using them on my pages.
I believe Doodlebug also has papers that show a house/neighborhood scene. I'm pretty sure I have a Halloween one in my stash somewhere!
That being said, the similarities don't really bother me. The turnover time for each collection is so fast and there are really only so many things you can do...there are bound to be repeat ideas.
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Post by katers415 on Feb 14, 2017 3:54:50 GMT
Also, Amy Tangerine and Shimelle have a nearly identical sheet of paper in their new collections. I'd link except I don't know how, but they both have a sheet with a light blue background and raindrops. The raindrops are slightly different colors, and Shimelle's has more raindrops, but seriously--they are super similar. I think it just happens sometimes. If they hadn't come out at the same time, you would think one was a copy of the other.
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Post by camcas on Feb 14, 2017 5:19:10 GMT
I am probably going to say something that is not very nice but nothing Liz Kartchner does is original to me and every thing that has her name on it looks exactly the same as the previous. Her IG feed rubbed me the wrong way to the point that I quit following her a long time ago. Who lives every day in a perfect world, a perfect house, perfect clothes and who is constantly promoting herself and her family with perfect photos. I thought she was a scrapbook designer? I don't know. It's odd to me and doesn't interest me in the least lol. I so totally agree..!
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Post by camcas on Feb 14, 2017 5:21:25 GMT
And...while we are on this topic ...and because somebody mentioned the iconic OA .....rather than copy lines like weathervane and rocket age....just bring them back....especially the mini Markets!! Ha!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 5:51:32 GMT
I love the OA one but not the DL one - to me they're pretty different. The DL one feels "newer" and has more space on it - which is what I tend not to like in paper patterns. The OA one feels cozier, more homey, in keeping w/the home theme. But I've noticed a move toward the more open patterns, which is probably why I can't find as many papers as I used to that I like.
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Post by melanell on Feb 14, 2017 13:09:14 GMT
But I've noticed a move toward the more open patterns, which is probably why I can't find as many papers as I used to that I like. Same here. I have a hard time with open or sparse patterns. I tend to use patterned paper in small pieces so a tighter patterns works much better for me. Save
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 14:05:41 GMT
It's REALLY hard to find an original design. American crafts is cycling about 10 designs through their main brands-Amy tan, shimelle, dear lizzy and Maggie Holmes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 14:11:21 GMT
I am probably going to say something that is not very nice but nothing Liz Kartchner does is original to me and every thing that has her name on it looks exactly the same as the previous. Her IG feed rubbed me the wrong way to the point that I quit following her a long time ago. Who lives every day in a perfect world, a perfect house, perfect clothes and who is constantly promoting herself and her family with perfect photos. I thought she was a scrapbook designer? I don't know. It's odd to me and doesn't interest me in the least lol. I so totally agree..! Ditto. As a former mother of 3 small children (they're teenagers now), people like her are a slap in the face of how hard motherhood can be. I tried so hard to be that perfect mother with perfect looking kids and I always felt like a failure. And then when I got divorced, I was a failure. At least in my eyes because if I was no longer the perfect mom with the perfect kids what was I? It took many years, a lot of alcohol, and a placeholder marriage for me to figure it all out. And what I discovered is that perfection is fake. Someone is lying because nothing is perfect. I do like her scrapbook lines. But I don't follow Amy tab, shilmelle, dear lizzy or Maggie Holmes for that reason. They're trying to sell a pile of shit on their public feeds and I have enough manure in my life.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 14, 2017 15:05:04 GMT
It's REALLY hard to find an original design. American crafts is cycling about 10 designs through their main brands-Amy tan, shimelle, dear lizzy and Maggie Holmes. We've had the discussion before but Amy, Lizzy and others are not designers in the sense that they sit down and design their collection. They have solid fanbases, a name, a relatable persona (or, I should say, an aspirational persona they cultivate through online presence - which is obviously a narrative construction and not a reality as many are pointing out with Queen Lizzy's perfect family life) and appeal. That's it. They'll inject some personal touches like brush script or go-to design elements/overall feel. And voilà. The AC design team peddles and does all the hard work. They set the tone based on current trends, including colour schemes, and their in-house sale reviews. That's what big monopolies do: they push product in as effective a manner as possible, trying to limit cost damage of unsuccessful collections by having their finger very firmly on the (large) pulse. There will necessarily be overlap between the Amy Tangerine and Dear Lizzy brands design-wise because there's quite a bit of overlap between their target audiences. And yes, a lot gets recycled over and over again. I definitely do not see much direct copying between Dear Lizzy's and OA's papers because I've seen this type of design so many times already. As scrappyem pointed out, they're both descendants of typical Scandinavian designs from the 1960s and 1970s. We had some vintage Swedish towels with a similar design distribution picturing a town with cars and trees when I was growing up.
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Post by loco coco on Feb 14, 2017 15:39:56 GMT
I think everything will always come back around, fashion, scrapping style, and now even movies are being re-done over and over. For what its worth, I really dislike both of those papers
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Post by loco coco on Feb 14, 2017 15:44:41 GMT
this is in the new Pinkfresh Dream On collection, similar pattern but the style is must different Attachments:
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Post by myboysnme on Feb 14, 2017 17:08:14 GMT
this is in the new Pinkfresh Dream On collection, similar pattern but the style is must different Ugh! I do not like that one and I usually buy those neighborhood type papers for a number of theme layouts. That one I would pass on.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 14, 2017 21:23:04 GMT
this is in the new Pinkfresh Dream On collection, similar pattern but the style is must different All I can see is the Brazilian flag-inspired house/door in that design! And there goes my brain...
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Post by kiwigirl on Feb 14, 2017 21:40:19 GMT
I definitely think AC would do well to have random guest designers do one-off lines. Just pick someone and see what they can do. I would love to do a collection but just one. I think having to come up with something twice a year would start to suck the fun & creativity out of it for sure but I think a lot of people would come up with one cool line!
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Post by camcas on Feb 14, 2017 22:00:11 GMT
I definitely think AC would do well to have random guest designers do one-off lines. Just pick someone and see what they can do. I would love to do a collection but just one. I think having to come up with something twice a year would start to suck the fun & creativity out of it for sure but I think a lot of people would come up with one cool line! Agreed......as long as it is NOT pink gold and aqua! hahahaha!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 23:09:52 GMT
I definitely think AC would do well to have random guest designers do one-off lines. Just pick someone and see what they can do. I would love to do a collection but just one. I think having to come up with something twice a year would start to suck the fun & creativity out of it for sure but I think a lot of people would come up with one cool line! Thats what I'm digging about fancy pants and pretty little studio, fresh faces and designs.
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Post by natlhol on Feb 14, 2017 23:50:41 GMT
I am probably going to say something that is not very nice but nothing Liz Kartchner does is original to me and every thing that has her name on it looks exactly the same as the previous. Her IG feed rubbed me the wrong way to the point that I quit following her a long time ago. Who lives every day in a perfect world, a perfect house, perfect clothes and who is constantly promoting herself and her family with perfect photos. I thought she was a scrapbook designer? I don't know. It's odd to me and doesn't interest me in the least lol. Becky Higgins comes to mind. SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by natlhol on Feb 14, 2017 23:55:17 GMT
Good question. I do wonder if Weathervane was the first to come up with that pattern though. It seems inspiration is taken from everywhere and it is hard to know where the pattern actually began. Another good point. I have seen fabrics that I think have inspired scrapbook papers too, so you never know. It is impossible )probably) to know where a design originated. I did think, however, the DL paper was SO similar to the OA one ...in scale, clouds, trees, VW bugs! SaveThere are a lot of times when I see a little girl's dress and think, "I have scrapbook paper like that at home!" SaveSave
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 15, 2017 1:19:30 GMT
It's funny, when I read the title to this thread I immediately thought of this same DL collection and how she used hot air balloons as a motif. Remember when hot air balloons used to be everywhere in scrapbook lines? I was never a fan of them because I always had a hard time using them on my pages. I believe Doodlebug also has papers that show a house/neighborhood scene. I'm pretty sure I have a Halloween one in my stash somewhere!That being said, the similarities don't really bother me. The turnover time for each collection is so fast and there are really only so many things you can do...there are bound to be repeat ideas. I have the haunted house neighborhood paper and I'm pretty sure they also have a springtime Easter one with houses on it. Maybe more than one.
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Post by twillerbee on Feb 15, 2017 2:36:15 GMT
I am probably going to say something that is not very nice but nothing Liz Kartchner does is original to me and every thing that has her name on it looks exactly the same as the previous. Her IG feed rubbed me the wrong way to the point that I quit following her a long time ago. Who lives every day in a perfect world, a perfect house, perfect clothes and who is constantly promoting herself and her family with perfect photos. I thought she was a scrapbook designer? I don't know. It's odd to me and doesn't interest me in the least lol. I feel that about all of the AC designers. Too bad that AC dominates this industry in such a big way.I unfollowed Amy tangerine and maggie holmes along with dear lizzy for the very same reason. SaveSave
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