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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 19:01:16 GMT
I admire the fact that you want to stand by the company jstblondie. I too love to support the small businesses whenever I can. However, I have a problem with business owners being extremely rude and irrational with their customers. I've boycotted Studio Calico for years for that very reason. I have no respect for women who step on other women on their way to the top. And for that reason I will never buy a Misti even if it gets a patent and they are the only maker of this tool. Tonic, on the other hand, has given me exceptional customer service over the past decade and has never once questioned my honesty about their product being imperfect. And for that reason I continue to wish Tim Holtz's new tool will be a hit once it hits the market. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 19, 2017 20:46:47 GMT
I don't see how a freakin' press could get patented to the point of kicking all the stamp platforms out of the market. That doesn't make sense. It's a simple press but for modern-day stamps. I don't see how TH's design could be considered too similar either. It looks different design-wise and it has the switching plate with dedicated sides (acrylic and rubber stamps). I'm not a patent specialist but I don't see how they could possibly threaten Tonic Studios with a lawsuit with a leg to stand on. Otherwise, I'm going to need somebody to explain the history of portable printing presses to these pattern folks...   |
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Post by zinnia on Mar 19, 2017 20:53:06 GMT
My husband has a small software company. Another company came out with the same product as his company. Sure they could have sued etc. but that cost a lot of money. They view it as competition. They keep their customers on fair pricing their product and customer service.
We were at a trade show and the competition even stole one of their main products during set up time ( we had a secondd one)
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Post by JustTricia on Mar 19, 2017 21:30:17 GMT
That's the thing. She may have been the first person to put this particular product on the market, but it's not an original idea.
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Post by FurryP on Mar 19, 2017 22:34:59 GMT
Maybe you've had no problems but many have. Not just people here but I've read about issues on lots of other boards and groups. I had to jump through hoops to get my cracked misti replaced and she was rude about it. In general it's the principle of ripping off a persons idea. Those bigger companies that do that are bullies. They know they can get away with that. It's just wrong IMHO That's what bugs me. This is true. The big companies know they can get away with it because they have deeper pockets and bigger lawyers. However, ol' Sweet Petunia must have thought she could get away with her bullying and harassing of "small" crafters online because she had a "patent pending. Goose meet Gander. I don't feel bad for her at all. |
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Post by lisacharlotte on Mar 19, 2017 23:13:07 GMT
I looked at the misti webpage. If the patent was approved i would think she would have updated. I still says patent pending.
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Post by pepperwood on Mar 19, 2017 23:22:07 GMT
I belong to the FB group that was originally a MISTI group. The group had to change their name after the inventor of the MISTI made threats against the group for using MISTI in the name. There was a lot of discussion this morning similar to this thread. I am sure some of you are probably part of that group. Interestingly, the post about the recall was removed later in the day.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Mar 19, 2017 23:23:28 GMT
I bought the stamaholic several months ago and it works really well. I notice that's still available so hopefully Tim's will be as well.
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Post by gale w on Mar 19, 2017 23:56:07 GMT
I belong to the FB group that was originally a MISTI group. The group had to change their name after the inventor of the MISTI made threats against the group for using MISTI in the name. There was a lot of discussion this morning similar to this thread. I am sure some of you are probably part of that group. Interestingly, the post about the recall was removed later in the day. Back then the URL for fb groups had the name of the group in it. So even after the name was changed it still said MISTI in the address bar. The owner threatened legal action again so they had to completely close down the group and start a new one. The reason some threads about the recall were removed is because it was posted about a dozen times. |
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Post by scrapincin on Mar 19, 2017 23:57:21 GMT
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Post by streetscrapper on Mar 20, 2017 0:22:37 GMT
For what I paid for my Misti I can assure you that I have never purposely tried to break it! In fact, for what it cost I expected it to last for my entire scrapping lifetime! I'm not a fan of the creator, and I'm not really interested in spending any time "bashing" her, but when it comes to good customer service, she lacks and all I'm interested in is having someone else not waste their money on a sub-par product. Did she come up with a great idea? YES. Did she put out a high quality product? NO. I applaud and support any other company that offers a high quality product backed by strong customer service!
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Post by lemondrop on Mar 20, 2017 15:07:34 GMT
I have been very happy with my HA one - no issues.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 16:03:52 GMT
You know, the more I think about Tim Holtz's Tonic one, the more I think it won't get caught up in all of this. If there is anything to the rumor. Hampton Arts' tool is an exact replica whereas Tim's design is completely different and has some really great features. I'm looking forward to purchasing it!
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 20, 2017 16:29:53 GMT
Ugh, I hope it's not true! The Misti is so overpriced. That's why I never got one in the first place. I too would appreciate some links to these rumors. I really want the Tim Holtz one. I can't believe that Tonic would invest in product development if they didn't do extensive research on the first. I'm crossing my fingers that Tim's becomes available for purchase soon. Same here. No way would I buy the original MISTI, and not just because of the price. Reportedly, her customer service is poor, too. If this keeps the Tim Holtz version from being released, I will stick to my homemade version. It's not perfect, but it works. If the Tim Holtz version is released, I will be buying it. |
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Post by gale w on Mar 20, 2017 17:17:28 GMT
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Post by ashwyness on Mar 20, 2017 17:52:23 GMT
I wonder if there are separate lawsuits pending against Stampoholic and Tonic studios, which are both not US based. Also, most likely the WRMK and HA lawsuits were filed prior to the announcement of the Tonic one.
If she did get a patent, she can still license her product to TH/Tonic - they will just need to pay her to use her idea.
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Post by loco coco on Mar 20, 2017 18:26:05 GMT
I thought I posted but now I dont see it. I never bought the Misti because of the way the owner acted on a thread I read. Im 99% sure the thread was here on 2peasrefugees. I thought she could have handled the situation and her customers much better. I love supporting local small businesses. Maybe now that she won this lawsuit and doesnt feel as threatened she could issue an apology and try and gain more customers. Not sure
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Post by gale w on Mar 20, 2017 19:00:44 GMT
I thought I posted but now I dont see it. I never bought the Misti because of the way the owner acted on a thread I read. Im 99% sure the thread was here on 2peasrefugees. I thought she could have handled the situation and her customers much better. I love supporting local small businesses. Maybe now that she won this lawsuit and doesnt feel as threatened she could issue an apology and try and gain more customers. Not sure She did post on a thread here. I think Don mentioned how he made his own and had a picture posted somewhere and she asked him to take it down. |
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Post by scrappyesq on Mar 20, 2017 19:06:17 GMT
I thought I posted but now I dont see it. I never bought the Misti because of the way the owner acted on a thread I read. Im 99% sure the thread was here on 2peasrefugees. I thought she could have handled the situation and her customers much better. I love supporting local small businesses. Maybe now that she won this lawsuit and doesnt feel as threatened she could issue an apology and try and gain more customers. Not sure I think it was this one: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/18121/misti-stamping-tool
I talked myself out of buying a misti real quick after I read this thread.
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Post by ashwyness on Mar 20, 2017 19:12:20 GMT
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Post by lisacharlotte on Mar 20, 2017 20:28:22 GMT
I'd like some confirmation from somewhere other than a link to a post on facebook.
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Post by don on Mar 20, 2017 20:49:21 GMT
I have still not heard anything from the lawyers she has threatened me with. This is what I made after just seeing an image of it on line. www.scrapbook.com/galleries/155177/view/5303943/-1/0/0.html. One could be easily made of plywood, a hinge, and a sheet of poly. I would invite anybody to make their own. It's not rocket science. I made it with 5 pieces of plastic, a plastic piano hinge, and some glue. All for a cost of $18.67 incl. tax. I just bought a Hampton Art at HL for about $12, so except for the pride of making my own, I guess there is no point. At least now we all have an idea of the true worth of the tools. I still think the best positioner out there is the Letterpress with the floating hinge. |
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Post by gale w on Mar 20, 2017 20:59:09 GMT
I'd like some confirmation from somewhere other than a link to a post on facebook. The page on fb got the information from their distributor. I haven't seen anything else about it. I trust Stamps Alive and Kat Scrappiness, both of whom got the same information from their distributors. |
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Post by caspad on Mar 20, 2017 21:19:52 GMT
I don't know how the MISTI inventor can sue. She can threaten sure, but she really doesn't have a leg to stand on because she doesn't have a patent.
From the USPTO website "Some persons mark articles sold with the terms “Patent Applied For” or “Patent Pending.” These phrases have no legal effect, but only give information that an application for patent has been filed in the USPTO. The protection afforded by a patent does not start until the actual grant of the patent. False use of these phrases or their equivalent is prohibited."
I cant find any applications by My Sweet Petunia except for trademarks. Nothing for patents. Has anyone else been able to find proof of an application for a patent and what exactly that patent would cover?
And for what it's worth, there were several HA Stamp Positioners at my Joann's today.
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Post by southerndollie on Mar 20, 2017 21:32:26 GMT
I don't know how the MISTI inventor can sue. She can threaten sure, but she really doesn't have a leg to stand on because she doesn't have a patent. From the USPTO website "Some persons mark articles sold with the terms “Patent Applied For” or “Patent Pending.” These phrases have no legal effect, but only give information that an application for patent has been filed in the USPTO. The protection afforded by a patent does not start until the actual grant of the patent. False use of these phrases or their equivalent is prohibited." I cant find any applications by My Sweet Petunia except for trademarks. Nothing for patents. Has anyone else been able to find proof of an application for a patent and what exactly that patent would cover? And for what it's worth, there were several HA Stamp Positioners at my Joann's today. This is the only thing I have found about the patent, www.google.com/patents/WO2016115224A1?dq=sweet+petuniaOtherwise, I've just seen a few trademarks. |
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Post by ashwyness on Mar 20, 2017 21:34:20 GMT
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Mar 21, 2017 0:30:22 GMT
I have still not heard anything from the lawyers she has threatened me with. This is what I made after just seeing an image of it on line. www.scrapbook.com/galleries/155177/view/5303943/-1/0/0.html. One could be easily made of plywood, a hinge, and a sheet of poly. I would invite anybody to make their own. It's not rocket science. I made it with 5 pieces of plastic, a plastic piano hinge, and some glue. All for a cost of $18.67 incl. tax. I just bought a Hampton Art at HL for about $12, so except for the pride of making my own, I guess there is no point. At least now we all have an idea of the true worth of the tools. I still think the best positioner out there is the Letterpress with the floating hinge. You're not profiting off of it, so I doubt she can tell you what to do for your own personal use. If you were maybe deconstructing hers and teaching people how to make a carbon copy of it, then that could be a problem...but taking the general idea and figuring out a way to make one for yourself is not something she could take legal action against you for. It sounds an awful lot like the Becky Higgins incident when it started taking off telling people that they couldn't use the term Project Life anywhere and how she went after blogs, etc and even then, because many people monetize blogs and youtube, she had more legal ground to stand on than this woman does. I'm glad that BH realized that it was wise to stop with that behavior because it wasn't a positive message about her brand...much like My Sweet Petunia has a reputation for not standing behind her product and treating customers in ways that are most certainly NOT sweet. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 0:45:27 GMT
But that doesn't mean she's been granted a patent, just that she's applied. If she has been granted a patent, she would likely put it on her web site. Speaking of home-made jobbies - I made one out of a DVD case, fun foam and the Little B Stamp Positioner tacky mat. It works great!!! I got the idea here: thefrugalcrafter.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/my-friend-made-this-cool-tool/ |
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Post by ashwyness on Mar 21, 2017 1:14:55 GMT
But that doesn't mean she's been granted a patent, just that she's applied. If she has been granted a patent, she would likely put it on her web site. Yep, I know that. someone asked for this, so I looked it up. |
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