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Post by Nanner on May 15, 2017 11:48:41 GMT
I have to look into that. I lost 87 pounds last year doing a ketogenic type diet. I've put about 20 back on and have to get it off. In fact, my sister and I are both going back on tomorrow.
I think I will order that book - it sounds interesting.
Thanks
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2017 11:59:15 GMT
This isn't really new information, I don't think - there were several diet books talking about insulin resistance 20 years ago when I was first diagnosed with PCOS. Did anyone else follow the Schwarzbein Solution at that time? Written by an endocrinologist who worked with diabetics.
I've BTDT and have never found low-carb eating to be a sustainable long-term way of life for me. Low-glycemic is somewhat more sustainable.
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Post by Nanner on May 15, 2017 12:00:54 GMT
ok. I've just ordered the book.
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Post by freeatlast on May 15, 2017 12:17:41 GMT
I have gotten away from intermittent fasting but this thread has inspired me to get back to it. Why I let myself get away from it I can't explain because it works so well for me. I struggle with my weight. All. The. Time. I am overweight and the scale just seems to be going in an upward direction.
When I did intermittent fasting before, I kept to an 8 hour or less window for eating. My max time was 11:00 am to 7:00 pm. For the first few days I was starving by 11:00. But you know what? It felt good to have real, actual hunger. Made me recognize what it feels like and how many times I just think I'm hungry.
I ran a 9 week experiment on myself. For the first 3 weeks I kept to the 8 hour eating window. I lost weight. Using my food diary, I ate the same things for the next 3 weeks. The only difference? No fasting. I ate between the hours of 6:00 am to 9:00 pm. I gained weight (the weight I lost in the previous 3 weeks and more). Exercise was the same. Next 3 weeks were back to the 8 hour window. Same food, same exercise. Lost weight.
Today is day 1 and I'm off to the grocery store to pick up a few things and looking forward to 11:00.
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Post by brina on May 15, 2017 12:23:37 GMT
I will definitely give it a read. Two years ago I lost about 40 lbs and then plateaued and just recently started creeping back up and am now about 10lbs heavier than I was. During that time my dh was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. Going back through old medical records that I had not seen before his A1C was 10 five years ago (it was 12 when he was hospitalized in November) and there were some glucose numbers going back 10 years ago that should have triggered more testing - a clear trend upward in non-fasting blood glucose. Electronic records make it easy to see such things, but apparently it didn't jump out at anybody earlier.
Since November dh has lost nearly 50 lbs and his A1C is now 5.5 and he is off all diabetes medications. He wants to lose another 10-15 lbs - we are now working on this together. Any help we can find. The nutritionist at his endocrinologists office seemed to be 10 years behind the time, encouraging him to add more carbs into his daily diet and telling us that artificial sweetners are not as bad as people think.
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Post by Patter on May 15, 2017 12:24:30 GMT
I have gotten away from intermittent fasting but this thread has inspired me to get back to it. Why I let myself get away from it I can't explain because it works so well for me. I struggle with my weight. All. The. Time. I am overweight and the scale just seems to be going in an upward direction. When I did intermittent fasting before, I kept to an 8 hour or less window for eating. My max time was 11:00 am to 7:00 pm. For the first few days I was starving by 11:00. But you know what? It felt good to have real, actual hunger. Made me recognize what it feels like and how many times I just think I'm hungry. I ran a 9 week experiment on myself. For the first 3 weeks I kept to the 8 hour eating window. I lost weight. Using my food diary, I ate the same things for the next 3 weeks. The only difference? No fasting. I ate between the hours of 6:00 am to 9:00 pm. I gained weight (the weight I lost in the previous 3 weeks and more). Exercise was the same. Next 3 weeks were back to the 8 hour window. Same food, same exercise. Lost weight. Today is day 1 and I'm off to the grocery store to pick up a few things and looking forward to 11:00. Wow, that is very interesting that you gained but ate the SAME things just during a different eating "window." So interesting! Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Sorrel on May 15, 2017 12:42:21 GMT
I have followed the Fast 5 fasting plan for over a year now. You only eat during a 5 hour window each day. I have never been obese or really overweight even but the scale was starting to climb and nothing was halting it (I'm 45). I've lost 10 lbs and have kept it off. There is such freedom in fasting. Hunger has basically disappeared and I don't feel deprived at all because I eat what I want in my window of time. The insulin spiking reduction makes perfect sense. I belong to a FB for fast 5 and all kinds of people on there have halted and reversed their prediabetes. I love it and am so happy with it, but people still look at me when I'm nuts when I tell them I don't anything at all until 2 o clock in the afternoon . Interesting. Is it the same 5 hours every day? The same window is generally recommended, although mine fluctuates by an hour or two depending on what is happening that day. There are other intermittent fasting programs like The 5-2 Plan where you fast 2 days per week. SaveSave
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Post by Sorrel on May 15, 2017 12:44:41 GMT
Yes, it would be one five hour window at once, although sometimes it is even shorter for me because I am full. You can have black coffee or tea in the morning. You just can't add any sweeteners or calories because that would trigger insulin. I had to get used to black coffee because I love unhealthy sweet creamers, but now I like black just fine. So how long did it take you to learn to like black coffee? This is my downfall...I love International Delights Sweet Cream creamer. I can't imagine drinking my coffee black! Did you go cold turkey or did you cut down the creamer little by little? I know if I cut out creamer I'd cut lots of calories also but I just can't imagine... To be honest, it took awhile. I hated black coffee at first. What I did at the beginning was I used a little bit of full fat whipping cream, less sugar, so supposed to cause less of insulin spike. Eventually I phased that out too. I missed my crappy creamers for a long time. I did buy a super insulated mug which keeps my coffee steaming hot all morning, and that helped with the taste. SaveSave
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Post by hollymolly on May 15, 2017 12:46:12 GMT
Just purchased the paperback, but have the 2-4 week wait. I have to do something, my weight has been out of control ever since I slipped back into a long depression a year and a half ago. I lost 60 lbs in 2014 not eating sugar. I "allowed" myself sugar in the fall of 2015 and never recovered. I'm not entirely sure if the depression was inevitable before the sugar, or if the sugar exacerbated the depression. At any rate, this sounds like what I need to deal with it.
I've known for a long time that I need breakfast and lunch, but dinner is more of a habit. I'm hungry for dinner, but not starving or sick-hungry.
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Post by Country Ham on May 15, 2017 12:49:45 GMT
This isn't really new information, I don't think - there were several diet books talking about insulin resistance 20 years ago when I was first diagnosed with PCOS. Did anyone else follow the Schwarzbein Solution at that time? Written by an endocrinologist who worked with diabetics. I've BTDT and have never found low-carb eating to be a sustainable long-term way of life for me. Low-glycemic is somewhat more sustainable. That's the main difference I think between following a low carb diet vs a ketogenic diet. I was just explaining to someone yesterday why eating 5 carbs worth of an orange is so different then eating 5 carbs worth of almonds even though they are both 5 carbs. It can be so very difficult to change the mindset around food. I wish the key weightloss/better health, to endocrine disorders etc was that you don't have to change any approaches to life and diet. Once I accepted that I do have to change and I do have to say goodbye to some foods tackling the mountain of being 100lbs overweight is much easier. I finally bought some new clothes for the spring and summer so folks are noticing my weight loss (size 22 down to 16 so far) and are asking me for advice. What I can offer costs nothing, no gimmicks, no MLM shakes or pills etc, but as soon as you say what you have cut back on, or cut out it's met with a "I can never......" I think those cutsie memes you see low carbers do on FB where it says "I lost weight eating all the bacon I want" turns some folks off. Personally I eat about 6 slices a week. I am rambling. I just think it is so doable and sustainable because I lived on carbs and I am doing it. I was somewhere last evening and there were hamburgers and hotdogs afterwards. Not one person even batted an eye at my plate with a hamburg patty, dill pickles/mustard and a few strawberries. No beans, no slaw (they add sugar here in the south), bread or desserts. I never made one comment about my eating keto and no one raised an eyebrow. Socially it's much more acceptable now. But I do think where it's becoming more mainstream people are trying to make it more diluted, but I think the glycemic index is so very important and I am not even diabetic.
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Post by Sorrel on May 15, 2017 12:49:50 GMT
I haven't read Dr. Fung's book, but people on my FB fasting group mentioned him and you can also watch some of his videos on YouTube which are very interesting.
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Post by mallie on May 15, 2017 12:59:40 GMT
Am I the only one who would faint if they went 19 hours between meals?
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Post by tracyarts on May 15, 2017 13:01:11 GMT
I've BTDT and have never found low-carb eating to be a sustainable long-term way of life for me. Low-glycemic is somewhat more sustainable. My body can't tolerate very low carb diets. After about a week, my endocrine system starts to go haywire and my liver starts excreting extra glucose into my bloodstream. And as a type 2 diabetic, that is exactly what I *don't* want to happen. I gave Keto a good honest try after it exploded onto the scene as THE miracle diet solution for PCOS, T2 diabetes, and insulin resistance. But after 3 months my A1c shot up to 7.9 and that is well into long-term diabetic organ damage territory. My endocrinologist explained to me that some type 2 diabetic's bodies don't like very low carb diets. And if you have dawn phenomenon, you're more likely to have this problem. Dawn phenomenon is when the liver excretes a burst of glucose into the bloodstream early in the morning after your night's fast. My BG readings are always significantly higher on waking than after meals, so there it is... No Keto for me. I added small portions of whole grains, beans, and low glycemic fruit back into my diet and my A1c returned back down to around 6. Which isn't great, but isn't really dangerous. I try to take in around 15-25 grams of net carbohydrates at each meal, which is considered a moderate carbohydrate diet. And my body really seems to like that level of carbohydrate intake. My blood glucose stays steady, my triglycerides come back down where they need to be, and I don't have the random liver-fueled blood glucose spikes. If I have a small high fiber snack, my waking blood glucose reading is more normal too. Conventional wisdom says fewer carbohydrates = lower blood glucose. But not always. The endocrine system is complex and IMO, if you're insulin resistant or a T2 diabetic, you might want to monitor your blood glucose more closely if you drop your carbohydrate intake significantly. Not just to watch for lows, but for random highs too.
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Post by micpea on May 15, 2017 13:08:03 GMT
Yes!! Will join. Since Amazon is on backorder, I ordered mine from ebay, will be here this week.
No success on weight watchers...I still weigh the same as I did when I joined a year ago & I go to the gym 5 days a week.
Interested in participating!!! Thanks Melissa.
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Post by moodyblue on May 15, 2017 13:31:41 GMT
I've BTDT and have never found low-carb eating to be a sustainable long-term way of life for me. Low-glycemic is somewhat more sustainable. My body can't tolerate very low carb diets. After about a week, my endocrine system starts to go haywire and my liver starts excreting extra glucose into my bloodstream. And as a type 2 diabetic, that is exactly what I *don't* want to happen. I gave Keto a good honest try after it exploded onto the scene as THE miracle diet solution for PCOS, T2 diabetes, and insulin resistance. But after 3 months my A1c shot up to 7.9 and that is well into long-term diabetic organ damage territory. My endocrinologist explained to me that some type 2 diabetic's bodies don't like very low carb diets. And if you have dawn phenomenon, you're more likely to have this problem. Dawn phenomenon is when the liver excretes a burst of glucose into the bloodstream early in the morning after your night's fast. My BG readings are always significantly higher on waking than after meals, so there it is... No Keto for me. I added small portions of whole grains, beans, and low glycemic fruit back into my diet and my A1c returned back down to around 6. Which isn't great, but isn't really dangerous. I try to take in around 15-25 grams of net carbohydrates at each meal, which is considered a moderate carbohydrate diet. And my body really seems to like that level of carbohydrate intake. My blood glucose stays steady, my triglycerides come back down where they need to be, and I don't have the random liver-fueled blood glucose spikes. If I have a small high fiber snack, my waking blood glucose reading is more normal too. Conventional wisdom says fewer carbohydrates = lower blood glucose. But not always. The endocrine system is complex and IMO, if you're insulin resistant or a T2 diabetic, you might want to monitor your blood glucose more closely if you drop your carbohydrate intake significantly. Not just to watch for lows, but for random highs too. This is a good reminder that there is no "one size fits all" when it comes to weight loss or eating plans.
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Post by delilahtwo on May 15, 2017 13:37:34 GMT
Haven't read the whole thread yet but the phrase clean eating really bothers me. It's just eating. That's it. I'm going to ask someone I "know" about this (facebook friend who is an excellent weight/exercise resource, cuts through the BS).
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Post by casii on May 15, 2017 13:40:48 GMT
Sounds interesting! I just downloaded it on Hoopla via the library. DH is prediabetic and I'm definitely insulin resistant. And I'm staring down menopause. While we eat a no sugar, lower carb diet and are active, the spare tires keep growing. Very discouraging.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on May 15, 2017 13:56:52 GMT
I ran a 9 week experiment on myself. For the first 3 weeks I kept to the 8 hour eating window. I lost weight. Using my food diary, I ate the same things for the next 3 weeks. The only difference? No fasting. I ate between the hours of 6:00 am to 9:00 pm. I gained weight (the weight I lost in the previous 3 weeks and more). Exercise was the same. Next 3 weeks were back to the 8 hour window. Same food, same exercise. Lost weight. That is very interesting! Thanks for sharing. I'm off to look at the book and see where I can order it with no wait!
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Post by peano on May 15, 2017 14:02:21 GMT
Just purchased the paperback, but have the 2-4 week wait. I have to do something, my weight has been out of control ever since I slipped back into a long depression a year and a half ago. I lost 60 lbs in 2014 not eating sugar. I "allowed" myself sugar in the fall of 2015 and never recovered. I'm not entirely sure if the depression was inevitable before the sugar, or if the sugar exacerbated the depression. At any rate, this sounds like what I need to deal with it. I've known for a long time that I need breakfast and lunch, but dinner is more of a habit. I'm hungry for dinner, but not starving or sick-hungry. I find personally that sugar (and artificial sweeteners) exacerbate my depression.
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Post by georgiapea on May 15, 2017 14:10:23 GMT
Stopped reading to order the book! I so need to lose weight.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on May 15, 2017 14:34:20 GMT
FYI, amazon has it in used books. I'm getting it next week.
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Post by micpea on May 15, 2017 14:48:28 GMT
Haven't read the whole thread yet but the phrase clean eating really bothers me. It's just eating. That's it. I'm going to ask someone I "know" about this (facebook friend who is an excellent weight/exercise resource, cuts through the BS). Please do & let us know!
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Post by disneypal on May 15, 2017 14:54:53 GMT
I have to look into that. I lost 87 pounds last year doing a ketogenic type diet. I've put about 20 back on and have to get it off. In fact, my sister and I are both going back on tomorrow. I think I will order that book - it sounds interesting. Thanks Wow! Congrats on your weight loss!
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Post by SweetieBugs on May 15, 2017 15:32:42 GMT
I'm trying to debate between getting the kindle edition or the regular paperback. It seems like this is a book that you would use as a reference book and want to refer back to certain pages/sections over time so a paperback seems the best choice. However, the paperback has a ridiculous backlog and may arrive while we are gone for a few weeks (I don't want too much mail building up) and costs a bit more than the kindle ebook. I've only used my Kindle for reading for the past 4-5 years now and it's hard to have to wait to read a book--you get used to that instant satisfaction with an ebook.
For those that have the paperback, do you feel it is the best choice vs an ebook?
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Post by snugglebutter on May 15, 2017 15:33:49 GMT
I'm interested and found the book on Hoopla. (Thanks for that tip, Casii!)
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Post by monklady123 on May 15, 2017 15:37:09 GMT
I just cancelled my order because of the long wait time and reserved it at the library. No waiting list so I'll get it in a day or two. Then I can decide if I want to buy it. It also comes on Kindle version for those of you who don't want to wait for the book. I'm assuming there's no wait for a Kindle book...?
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 15, 2017 16:36:36 GMT
I also have dawn syndrome where my glucose spikes in the morning and continues to rise until i get up and eat. I'm not so sure this would work for me.
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Post by oh yvonne on May 15, 2017 16:40:09 GMT
Okay I'm another sheep and first ordered my book on Amazon (back order)..cancelled and now have a copy on reserve at the library. This thread reminds me that I need to learn how to download books from them!
I've been on an upward climb for years and have recently lost quite a bit, but I have a way to go and the more I know the better, thanks for starting this thread, Melissa!
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Post by tracyarts on May 15, 2017 18:11:09 GMT
I also have dawn syndrome where my glucose spikes in the morning and continues to rise until i get up and eat. I'm not so sure this would work for me. It's not a well known problem. When I was in the hospital, they couldn't figure out why my blood glucose was so high before breakfast. They kept asking me if I was having overnight snacks. None of the nurses had ever heard of dawn phenomenon. Keto might work for you though. I'd suggest just keeping a close eye on your glucose levels to watch for spikes if you want to try. It's just weird how with some diabetics, the body will make its own glucose if you're not taking in any for a while. My endocrinologist believes that there are many "types" of diabetes, but medical science has only been able to break it down into T1 or T2.
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Post by melissa on May 15, 2017 18:42:25 GMT
Okay, just ordered the book. Delivery date of June 5? Is it backordered already because of the Peas? lol Not just the peas! I learned about this in a physician group and then joined the physician weight loss/eating healthy group. I feel like pretty much everyone in the weight loss group is either reading more about the intermittent fasting or already working on some variation of it. It's very interesting to me to hear how these ideas are changing obesity medicine in general. This isn't really new information, EXACTLY!!! The ideas are even older than 20 years. These are some of the original ideas about weight loss that pretty much got thrown out with other ideas. He discusses research from many years ago, along with newer research. Tosses out anything from animal studies for the most part and sticks to human studies. Many of the ideas about low fat, in particular, where drawn from theories, not actual human data. If you are type 2 diabetic, you definitely should read this book, if anything to deepen your understanding of insulin resistance which is the basis of type 2 diabetes. However, what's important to me is that this not just about those that are diabetic or pre-diabetic. It's important to anyone with a weight problem, especially those who have carried more weight for a longer period of time, even if it is just being overweight and not obese. When I was in the hospital, they couldn't figure out why my blood glucose was so high before breakfast. They kept asking me if I was having overnight snacks. None of the nurses had ever heard of dawn phenomenon. That is so odd to me! Where they not used to caring for people with diabetes? It's not uncommon in the least. I have not come across a specific discussion of the dawn phenomenon in the book yet, but I do think what he explains about the pathophysiology of type 2 diabetes also explains the dawn phenomenon. I have been looking online around at various low and moderate carb plans this afternoon. At this point, I'm not ready to jump right into low carb. I can see myself living with a more moderate carb diet over the long term... but one step at a time!
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