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Post by melissa on May 15, 2017 3:11:28 GMT
I am only about 1/3 of the way through this book but would love to chat about it with others. Would also be interested in restarting a weight loss/clean eating thread with an emphasis on what we can learn from this book. I recently joined a group of physicians who are in various stages of losing weight and getting healthy. Every.single.one talks about this book. I finally started to read it today. We've had threads in the past on weight loss and for weight loss support. So many of us, just like me, have had some success but then plateau before we are really near our goals or, even worse, begin to gain weight again without really back tracking. We naturally begin to blame ourselves for these setbacks. It's always our own fault if we cannot keep to a diet and keep to consistent exercise. We know calories in=calories out, so if you eat less and move more, we SHOULD lose weight, right? But we also know that it doesn't always happen that way. We know it was easier when we were younger and thinner. We blame our aging metabolism. It turns out we are wrong. We are correct about the symptoms, but we are completely off about the causes. We've been wrong on so many accounts. It really all comes down to insulin, specifically insulin resistance. This book beings by exploring the obesity epidemic in a historical, scientific manner. Dr. Fung tosses out any research obtained through animal studies and only looks at the data from human studies. I think the writing is very understandable to anyone. You don't need a medical background to grasp the concepts.. though that may be hard for me to judge. LOL I am beginning to understand why I've regained the weight I lost last year. I'm understanding why I keep fighting a losing battle with my Hbg A1C levels which are still in the prediabetic range and have increased every so slightly almost every year, even when I lost weight! More important, I'm beginning to understand the changes I need to make. I remember that someone mentioned intermittent fasting here in the past. I did not understand the concept, but now that I am reading the research and understanding the biology, I realize that this is actually the secret. And, it's sustainable and do-able especially when combined with a low carb diet. What's interesting to read within my physician's group, is that even those who are not strictly low carb are losing weight with intermittent fasting techniques, it's just that those who do it with a low carb diet lose the weight faster. Anyone interested? This is the book on Amazon The Obesity Code |
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Post by annie on May 15, 2017 3:19:51 GMT
I think Dr. Fung is great, and also believe that insulin resistance is a huge deal that isn't discussed enough. I'm glad to see him getting more press lately. (Also glad that more and more people have realized the "low fat" method of eating is a massive mistake.)
If you (general you) do any reading about fasting, you'll learn there are good scientific reasons to try it. I wish I did it more. I have about 10 lbs to lose, and I know it would help me toward my goal.
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Post by SallyPA on May 15, 2017 3:20:03 GMT
Well now you've piqued my interest. I've had the book sitting here for a while just haven't opened it. I think I'll get started. I have PCOS and so it soudns like a good fit for that also.
Funny tidbit: my mom gave me the book. For my birthday. After I had lost 25 pounds on my own. I was and still am kind of annoyed by it!
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Post by Country Ham on May 15, 2017 3:24:35 GMT
I have lost 57 or so lbs following a ketogenic diet. I average 1.4 lbs loss a week. I am not where I want to be and am exploring the idea of a intermittent fasting although I find eating keto (less then 20 carbs a day with mod fat/mod protein) that I naturally fast.
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Post by ~summer~ on May 15, 2017 3:28:42 GMT
Do you think it's a useful book if you are not pre-diabetic and not obese but do want to lose some weight? The south beach diet book has been my weight loss bible for years but I would love to try something new....
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Post by melissa on May 15, 2017 3:35:32 GMT
Yes! This applies to every one!
If you've used South Beach, you'll understand why it works, but this is even simpler I think, and takes it a step further. It's not just what you eat but when you eat.
Insulin resistance is what is behind type 2 diabetes, but it is also what's behind weight gain and obesity in general.
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Post by melissa on May 15, 2017 3:42:16 GMT
although I find eating keto (less then 20 carbs a day with mod fat/mod protein) that I naturally fast. This combination is apparently the holy grail of weight loss. People insist it is not difficult to fast with a ketogenic diet during the rest of the day. |
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Post by ~summer~ on May 15, 2017 3:43:09 GMT
Ok I ordered it!
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Post by originalvanillabean on May 15, 2017 3:43:23 GMT
I'm interested. I'll order the book and get started.
One question, how do you have the energy needed to workout, if you are fasting?
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Post by melissa on May 15, 2017 3:45:33 GMT
originalvanillabean, for now, I am plan to eat a bit before I work out, which I usually already do. I need to learn about this as well.
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Post by paget on May 15, 2017 3:49:10 GMT
I'm going to order it as well- sounds interesting. Something definately changed in the past couple years for me and I figured it was age.
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Post by Delta Dawn on May 15, 2017 4:23:09 GMT
I just bought the book. I have to do something. I am not sure what. I am willing to try as long as I don't have to eat a lot of eggs.
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Post by berty on May 15, 2017 4:31:30 GMT
Does anyone know if someone with diabetes could do this type of a program?
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Post by Sorrel on May 15, 2017 4:44:02 GMT
I have followed the Fast 5 fasting plan for over a year now. You only eat during a 5 hour window each day. I have never been obese or really overweight even but the scale was starting to climb and nothing was halting it (I'm 45). I've lost 10 lbs and have kept it off. There is such freedom in fasting. Hunger has basically disappeared and I don't feel deprived at all because I eat what I want in my window of time. The insulin spiking reduction makes perfect sense. I belong to a FB for fast 5 and all kinds of people on there have halted and reversed their prediabetes. I love it and am so happy with it, but people still look at me when I'm nuts when I tell them I don't anything at all until 2 o clock in the afternoon .
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Post by Sorrel on May 15, 2017 4:45:36 GMT
Also, I have no energy issues when exercising either.
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Post by stittsygirl on May 15, 2017 5:48:56 GMT
I've been doing some form of low carb/low glycemic eating since I was diagnosed with PCOS and insulin resistance in 2001. I lost fifty lbs. and kept it off through two pregnancies (my "Atkins" babies  ). I only gained it back after I stopped working to stay at home with my kids, and started battling some severe depression that made it so I didn't care what I ate. I started cutting out most of the "whites" again a few years ago, because I knew I just felt healthier overall that way, but it wasn't until I went back to my very physically demanding job last year that I began to see weight loss again. I eventually lost 55 lbs. again and am maintaining it just fine. I really don't even think much about what I eat anymore because it truly has become a way of life, but it's mainly a lot of protein and vegetables and some low-glycemic fruit. Dairy messes up my system so I eat it sparingly. Since I'm at a healthy weight now I allow myself to cheat a bit here and there, because life's short, but it hasn't gotten out of control again or affected my weight loss. Right now I'm snacking on black bean Beanitos chips and salsa, which is probably more carbs than somebody just starting low carbing needs, but is a good high-protein, high-fiber, and filling snack for me. I also believe that there are many more people out there with weight problems due to insulin issues, and the low-fat/low calorie diets pushed for so many years hurt rather than helped many of us. ETA: I haven't heard about the intermittent fasting, and it's not something I personally needed to do to lose the weight, but I'm going to read up on it. I often do go about 11-12 hours between eating at night and eating in the morning/afternoon, so maybe I'm doing a form of it. |
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 15, 2017 9:35:31 GMT
I'd definitely be interested in reading the book. You only eat during a 5 hour window each day. Is it a solid five hours through? I don't anything at all until 2 o clock in the afternoon . Are you able to drink coffee/tea in the morning? Or only water? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 15, 2017 9:38:48 GMT
I'm reading it! Not obese, work out, swim, active but prediabtic.
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Post by monklady123 on May 15, 2017 9:43:39 GMT
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Post by monklady123 on May 15, 2017 9:50:39 GMT
I am only about 1/3 of the way through this book but would love to chat about it with others. Would also be interested in restarting a weight loss/clean eating thread with an emphasis on what we can learn from this book. I recently joined a group of physicians who are in various stages of losing weight and getting healthy. Every.single.one talks about this book. I finally started to read it today. We've had threads in the past on weight loss and for weight loss support. So many of us, just like me, have had some success but then plateau before we are really near our goals or, even worse, begin to gain weight again without really back tracking. We naturally begin to blame ourselves for these setbacks. It's always our own fault if we cannot keep to a diet and keep to consistent exercise. We know calories in=calories out, so if you eat less and move more, we SHOULD lose weight, right? But we also know that it doesn't always happen that way. We know it was easier when we were younger and thinner. We blame our aging metabolism. It turns out we are wrong. We are correct about the symptoms, but we are completely off about the causes. We've been wrong on so many accounts. It really all comes down to insulin, specifically insulin resistance. This book beings by exploring the obesity epidemic in a historical, scientific manner. Dr. Fung tosses out any research obtained through animal studies and only looks at the data from human studies. I think the writing is very understandable to anyone. You don't need a medical background to grasp the concepts.. though that may be hard for me to judge. LOL I am beginning to understand why I've regained the weight I lost last year. I'm understanding why I keep fighting a losing battle with my Hbg A1C levels which are still in the prediabetic range and have increased every so slightly almost every year, even when I lost weight! More important, I'm beginning to understand the changes I need to make. I remember that someone mentioned intermittent fasting here in the past. I did not understand the concept, but now that I am reading the research and understanding the biology, I realize that this is actually the secret. And, it's sustainable and do-able especially when combined with a low carb diet. What's interesting to read within my physician's group, is that even those who are not strictly low carb are losing weight with intermittent fasting techniques, it's just that those who do it with a low carb diet lose the weight faster. Anyone interested? This is the book on Amazon The Obesity CodeI am definitely interested! My a1c is stubbornly still in the pre-diabetic range, although I have weight to lose. I'm going to check out the book now. Coming from most others on this board I might have thought "probably another fad diet/quack thing" but since it's you recommending it.... (and no offense intended to "most others" on the board....it's just that most of us have zero background in anything medical, unlike Melissa and the nurses here, and probably a few others I don't know about who do something in the medical field...) Okay, just ordered the book. Delivery date of June 5? Is it backordered already because of the Peas? lol |
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Post by Sorrel on May 15, 2017 10:26:18 GMT
I'd definitely be interested in reading the book. You only eat during a 5 hour window each day. Is it a solid five hours through? I don't anything at all until 2 o clock in the afternoon . Are you able to drink coffee/tea in the morning? Or only water? Yes, it would be one five hour window at once, although sometimes it is even shorter for me because I am full. You can have black coffee or tea in the morning. You just can't add any sweeteners or calories because that would trigger insulin. I had to get used to black coffee because I love unhealthy sweet creamers, but now I like black just fine. |
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Post by jennyap on May 15, 2017 10:29:01 GMT
This is timely, maybe even serendipitous! Just this morning I was looking at some info online about a genetic disorder I have (in prep for seeing my GP to discuss a particular related issue) and I saw a new to me statistic that apparently 80-99% of people who have this disorder also have insulin resistance. I haven't had any testing that would confirm that I'm one of them, but reading the symptoms the majority seem to fit. Hadn't heard of the book before but it sounds interesting and potentially helpful for me, so I will be ordering it  |
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Post by elaine on May 15, 2017 10:30:38 GMT
I ordered the book on Kindle along with the Audible whispersync, so I can listen while I walk the dog, in addition to reading it.
Weight Watchers has been working for me, but I think that the new Smart Points plan really supports low sugar/low carb eating that avoids insulin spikes. I have been interested in the relationships between eating and insulin since exploring Atkins after having my second/last child and the weight had to come off.
I have tended towards periods of hypoglycemia, even though my blood work is fine, and I feel so much better when I am eating in ways that avoid that awful feeling when my blood sugar drops, I start sweating and shaking and my tongue goes numb. Eating becomes an emergency and I feel out of control.
So, I'm looking forward to joining you all!
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Post by Patter on May 15, 2017 10:38:54 GMT
I have had a stubborn 10 lbs. to lose for the past year or so. I also find though I am the same weight, my middle is getting bigger.  I will be 52 in a few weeks. I would love to read and join in. Thanks, melissa, for starting this. Should be very interesting. Can't wait for the discussion and see how it effects each of us! |
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Post by monklady123 on May 15, 2017 10:48:42 GMT
I ordered the book on Kindle along with the Audible whispersync, so I can listen while I walk the dog, in addition to reading it. Weight Watchers has been working for me, but I think that the new Smart Points plan really supports low sugar/low carb eating that avoids insulin spikes. I have been interested in the relationships between eating and insulin since exploring Atkins after having my second/last child and the weight had to come off. I have tended towards periods of hypoglycemia, even though my blood work is fine, and I feel so much better when I am eating in ways that avoid that awful feeling when my blood sugar drops, I start sweating and shaking and my tongue goes numb. Eating becomes an emergency and I feel out of control. So, I'm looking forward to joining you all! Yes, that's me also! ugh. I used to eat cold cereal every morning and I'd just plan for a mid-morning shaky hunger. Dumb. But if I eat just protein for breakfast, or protein and a small amount of carbs -- like maybe sprouted grain toast with peanut butter -- then I don't even get hungry until lunch time. Seems like it would be a no-brainer but nope, I still continued to eat cold cereal for breakfast for years. lol at me. For some reason that doesn't happen if I eat steel cut oats. |
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Post by monklady123 on May 15, 2017 10:51:07 GMT
I'd definitely be interested in reading the book. Is it a solid five hours through? Are you able to drink coffee/tea in the morning? Or only water? Yes, it would be one five hour window at once, although sometimes it is even shorter for me because I am full. You can have black coffee or tea in the morning. You just can't add any sweeteners or calories because that would trigger insulin. I had to get used to black coffee because I love unhealthy sweet creamers, but now I like black just fine. So how long did it take you to learn to like black coffee? This is my downfall...I love International Delights Sweet Cream creamer. I can't imagine drinking my coffee black! Did you go cold turkey or did you cut down the creamer little by little? I know if I cut out creamer I'd cut lots of calories also but I just can't imagine...  |
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Post by theshyone on May 15, 2017 10:54:14 GMT
Interesting timing on this. My daughter is getting tested for insulin resistance and I don't really understand what it is. I need to look into it more. But it may be beyond my grasp.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on May 15, 2017 11:03:58 GMT
I have followed the Fast 5 fasting plan for over a year now. You only eat during a 5 hour window each day. I have never been obese or really overweight even but the scale was starting to climb and nothing was halting it (I'm 45). I've lost 10 lbs and have kept it off. There is such freedom in fasting. Hunger has basically disappeared and I don't feel deprived at all because I eat what I want in my window of time. The insulin spiking reduction makes perfect sense. I belong to a FB for fast 5 and all kinds of people on there have halted and reversed their prediabetes. I love it and am so happy with it, but people still look at me when I'm nuts when I tell them I don't anything at all until 2 o clock in the afternoon . Interesting. Is it the same 5 hours every day? |
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Post by Delta Dawn on May 15, 2017 11:08:26 GMT
I think this is what my dad follows. He lives on 20 or less carbs a day, is full, his weight is down, he looks good for a 75 year old man. He eats no refined sugar, pasta, rice, potatoes but he may have a bite of something here and there. (He is so disciplined to *only* have a bite). He eats a LOT of vegetables and a lot of fruit i.e. all berries, and other fruit albeit minimally in summer like peaches, pears, apricots and plums. He exercises by walking a large golf course 3x week weather permitting and he is able to golf generally 320 days a year because of our climate. He doesn't have a lot of stress right now other than worrying about me (another story) and he is very healthy. He does consume a lot of alcohol. He likes his wine (red, white and rose). He likes hard liquor like scotch, rye, cognac, vodka and gin. He used to drink diet pop but doesn't now. He drinks coffee black and always has. He does eat less than 20 carbs and he has tons of energy. He tires me out with how much energy he has.
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Post by Country Ham on May 15, 2017 11:48:41 GMT
I will confess to being pretty sedentary still. BUT since I started eating this way I no longer have questionable sleep apnea (no longer even snore), no heart burn, no puffiness etc. It's the little things like the steering wheel no longer touching my belly, being able to cross my legs etc. I am a bit more active but we don't have a gym in my county, and I am nervous of the neighborhood dogs. Quite a few run free and they bark etc. I sleep better, my mood is better and I am not as tired during the day.
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). I only gained it back after I stopped working to stay at home with my kids, and started battling some severe depression that made it so I didn't care what I ate. 
I will be 52 in a few weeks. I would love to read and join in. Thanks, 
