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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 3:10:33 GMT
"Sometimes the hardest thing are the memories. Remembering the joy I felt in that plump baby who looked at me so adoringly. I remember when he sat on the kitchen counter helping peel potatoes or stir ingredients into the batter. I remember our home school days at the kitchen table and reading together on the couch. I remember singing harmony together in the kitchen. I remember the pride I felt when he led singing or gave a talk at young men’s night at church. Those memories are all I have left now. There are no more to make." So sad. Such heartache. But. Kim Higginbotham's son is not dead. He is living as a gay man. So, to mom, and her beliefs, he is gone. Thankfully, another Christian has responded. "“I pray,” [Higginbotham] says to her readers, “that you never have to make such a sacrifice, but I also pray that you love the Lord enough to choose Him over your children. This is where we find ourselves. This is our life.”....Speaking of choosing your children over Jesus, what does that even mean? Does that mean we won’t hang with our kids if they take to drinking? Or will we turn our backs if they are preggers-sans-marriage? What if they embezzle? What if they speed? Of course not, you judgy thing you! Not just any sin will do. It’s just the creepy gay sins that break the ties that bind, amirite? " This is one reason why atheists often rail against religion. Without it, a person can still do good in the world, and w/o the baggage that leads you to believe your son is "dead to you" - Simply because he chooses to love another consenting adult and form a relationship of which your ancient holy book doesn't approve.
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Post by refugeepea on May 16, 2017 3:20:39 GMT
This is why I can never go back to the LDS church. Children of gay parents are not allowed to be baptized at the age of 8 which leaves them ostracized from many activities and privileges. Then when they are 18, they have to disavow their parents lifestyle and promise to never live with them again.
Gay people are not thought of as dead (usually) just less than and told to remain celebrate. It's a complex issue because so many times gay people have a straight marriage and realize they can no longer live a lie. Then the children are raised in the church with the believing spouse after the divorce. Children are being punished.
This is the only "sin" they have these rules for. Not if there's divorce, ex-communication or dis-fellowship of a parent. It is only if a parent is gay.
To make things more confusing, now it is up to the bishop of the ward if he will or will not allow an exception to baptism. Being a bishop is not a paid position, there is no training, and it is up to them and the revelation that they receive by praying.
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Post by freecharlie on May 16, 2017 4:20:32 GMT
The title is off putting and misleading. Those who have lost a child might trigger with your title. I know it is sensationalized, but perhaps think about changing it.
The rest of it? The mom has a right to believe what she wants. I think she is 100% wrong, but it is her right to believe it.
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Post by inkedup on May 16, 2017 4:23:21 GMT
Disgusting excuse of a mother.
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Post by zookeeper on May 16, 2017 5:04:43 GMT
I would never in a million years disown my son. I have always told him that there is nothing he could do to make me love him less.
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Post by flute4peace on May 16, 2017 5:06:43 GMT
The Jesus I know never turns anyone away.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 16, 2017 5:12:26 GMT
The mother in question will not change her mind. She has written an addendum to her original blog post to advise us that reading the comments from people who disagreed with her has only strengthened her resolve.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 16, 2017 5:14:16 GMT
The comments on the mother's blog post from people who agree with her are also quite disheartening. For example:
"I am sorry for your loss. May God bless you for your loyalty to Him."
Your loss?!?!
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Post by shescrafty on May 16, 2017 10:29:21 GMT
That woman deserves a throat punch for real.
She has no freakin' idea.
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Post by pelirroja on May 16, 2017 10:32:02 GMT
Has she never heard of unconditional love? Her level of intolerance is astonishing. And sad.
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Post by carhoch on May 16, 2017 10:36:12 GMT
The oldest I get the more I despise religion.
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Post by pondrunner on May 16, 2017 11:09:49 GMT
I feel very sad for her for the day to come when she discovers what she gave up unnecessarily.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 11:48:00 GMT
A classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face. I hope she comes to her senses and realises what she's given up for the sake of something written in a book.
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Post by Nanner on May 16, 2017 12:07:41 GMT
The oldest I get the more I despise religion. I agree. In fact, I was answering some random questions a few days ago and one of them was "What 3 things would you change in the world". One of my answers was "get rid of religion". That person is NOT a mother. She may have given birth, but she's not a mother. She's a disgusting POS. I cannot even fathom doing that to one of my children.
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Post by used2scrap on May 16, 2017 12:20:04 GMT
I hope for her sake she has a change of heart before it is too late. How incredibly sad.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 12:42:31 GMT
Someone deleted their post but if you come back and read this thread I'd just like to say I'm so very sorry for your loss. My mum lost one of her sons and her grief is something that will stay with me forever. Please know you can share here if you need to
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 12:44:12 GMT
The comments on the mother's blog post from people who agree with her are also quite disheartening. For example: "I am sorry for your loss. May God bless you for your loyalty to Him." Your loss?!?! Yes. Hence the title of the post. To this woman and those who think like her, he is DEAD. Unnecessarily. She will lose precious years, perhaps all of the years that they are both alive, to her cultish beliefs. She is making a CHOICE to give up what some mothers would give anything to get back. Yet as the other Christian mom who challenged her vile views wrote, what if her son had been married, gotten divorced and remarried? Would he have been "dead" to her? Even though he was living in a way Jesus expressly spoke against?! (Jesus was quite mute on gay, but spoke on divorce). I will hazard a guess that she would have reconciled herself to her son living w/a new wife. But, not the gay. That is somehow the paramount sin for way too many in our world. While remarriage is somehow looked past.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 12:55:45 GMT
I hope for her sake she has a change of heart before it is too late. How incredibly sad. I would imagine it's already too late. The minute she uttered the first word of her beliefs it was too late. ( not directed at you used2scrap just a my general opinion. Is she expecting " forgiveness" from her son when she has so blatantly thrown away the love that she should have had for him. She can't pick and choose what suits her. It's not just radicalized Islamist's that interprets their holy book with their hateful actions obviously! The delivery of the punishment might be different but the hate towards the person that doesn't share the same belief as yours ( general you) is the same from people like her. She's an affront to Christianity.
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Post by mrsscrapdiva on May 16, 2017 13:05:04 GMT
Isn't it sad. The negative beliefs and thoughts that people put in their heads and then it destroys relationships, all for what? I think when people are close minded, whether it is from how they are brought up or their religious beliefs etc, they are the ones creating a hard life for themselves full of hurt and pain.
We all have our own free will to think what we want but I just see too many people, some are even family members, that are so judgmental and critical of how others live their lives. They are hurting themselves by doing so and the people around them.
Urghhh, closed minded stuff like this makes me so frustrated.
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Post by flute4peace on May 16, 2017 13:09:00 GMT
The oldest I get the more I despise religion. Please don't think this awful woman represents true Christianity. Christ was all about inclusion and Grace. It makes me so sad to hear when folks have had experiences with religion that have caused them pain.
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Post by georgiapea on May 16, 2017 13:31:41 GMT
How very sad there are religions today still taking this stance. It's the reason "the closet" was used, as gay people have been with us forever. My heart goes out to her son to have such a horrible mother.
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Post by used2scrap on May 16, 2017 13:35:50 GMT
I hope for her sake she has a change of heart before it is too late. How incredibly sad. I would imagine it's already too late. The minute she uttered the first word of her beliefs it was too late. ( not directed at you used2scrap just a my general opinion. Is she expecting " forgiveness" from her son when she has so blatantly thrown away the love that she should have had for him. She can't pick and choose what suits her. It's not just radicalized Islamist's that interprets their holy book with their hateful actions obviously! The delivery of the punishment might be different but the hate towards the person that doesn't share the same belief as yours ( general you) is the same from people like her. She's an affront to Christianity. I agree that the damage to her son and relationship is already too late most likely, I meant too late in the sense that before one of them dies and there is not even a chance for her to seek his forgiveness.
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Post by JT919 on May 16, 2017 13:46:36 GMT
Someone deleted their post but if you come back and read this thread I'd just like to say I'm so very sorry for your loss. My mum lost one of her sons and her grief is something that will stay with me forever. Please know you can share here if you need to That was me, I'm sorry. I was logged in under Facebook instead of my account & didn't want that name to show so I deleted & didn't repost. Thank you for your thoughts. My original post was to say that I was coming out of my lurkerdom to say I lost a son this year & cannot understand someone who would disown her son in the name of God. She should absolutely be ashamed of herself, I really feel for the son.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on May 16, 2017 13:48:32 GMT
Yet as the other Christian mom who challenged her vile views wrote, what if her son had been married, gotten divorced and remarried? Would he have been "dead" to her? Even though he was living in a way Jesus expressly spoke against?! (Jesus was quite mute on gay, but spoke on divorce). I will hazard a guess that she would have reconciled herself to her son living w/a new wife. But, not the gay. That is somehow the paramount sin for way too many in our world. While remarriage is somehow looked past. This! I will never understand why being gay seems to be the "worst sin" of them all but yet things like divorce are just overlooked as 'oh well they weren't happy. They deserve to be happy'. That is not how it works! That mother is conveniently overlooking her own sin in her life and ranking her son's gayness as so much worse. The plank in her eye is blinding her...
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Post by compeateropeator on May 16, 2017 14:03:03 GMT
Someone deleted their post but if you come back and read this thread I'd just like to say I'm so very sorry for your loss. My mum lost one of her sons and her grief is something that will stay with me forever. Please know you can share here if you need to That was me, I'm sorry. I was logged in under Facebook instead of my account & didn't want that name to show so I deleted & didn't repost. Thank you for your thoughts. My original post was to say that I was coming out of my lurkerdom to say I lost a son this year & cannot understand someone who would disown her son in the name of God. She should absolutely be ashamed of herself, I really feel for the son. I am so sorry for the loss of your son. I know many families, including my own extended family, where extremely religious parents have been able to some how continue to keep their commitment and faith for/to their religion and still love and have amazingly close relationships with their gay kids. Including celebrating marriages and total acceptance of their partners. They certainly do not follow the thought and espouse that family is everything...unless you are gay.
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Post by Country Ham on May 16, 2017 14:10:03 GMT
Who is Kim Higginbotham? I assume she must be some big christian personality but I have no clue whose wife she is. Where is a link to what the OP is originally quoting from?
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Post by scorpeao on May 16, 2017 14:10:34 GMT
May she never know the pain of ACTUALLY losing a child. She's disgusting....
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Post by quiltedbrain on May 16, 2017 14:15:32 GMT
I hope that her son has been able to find a mother that he deserves.
While my initial reaction to his birth mother is one of disgust over her actions, I am going to try to also hope for healing for whatever hole in her exists that she has tried to fill up with this hate. It's just so unnecessarily sad.
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Post by compeateropeator on May 16, 2017 14:18:08 GMT
Who is Kim Higginbotham? I assume she must be some big christian personality but I have no clue whose wife she is. Where is a link to what the OP is originally quoting from? The lady's blog
I don't really know if she is a personality but I search for her blog to read her post and this is what I found. ETA - I do not know what article the op quoted from that was discussing this blog post as there were quite a few when I googled it.
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Country Ham
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Post by Country Ham on May 16, 2017 14:40:02 GMT
Who is Kim Higginbotham? I assume she must be some big christian personality but I have no clue whose wife she is. Where is a link to what the OP is originally quoting from? The lady's blog
I don't really know if she is a personality but I search for her blog to read her post and this is what I found. ETA - I do not know what article the op quoted from that was discussing this blog post as there were quite a few when I googled it. Ty I googled.
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