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Post by freecharlie on Jun 18, 2017 21:02:07 GMT
I could not bond with my new dog and then have to give them back to the breeder to have puppies and repeat this process over three or four years! That arraignment would not work for me at all. I have a two year old dog, she is totally bonded to our family and set in her daily routines. She has her favorite toys, treats, favorite spot to sleep. I would hate for her to be taken away for weeks on end, she'd be scared and not realize she was ever coming home. I wouldn't do that to my dog. If I were you, I'd get the puppy and have no ties to the breeder. it does seem mean to the dog
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 18, 2017 21:04:49 GMT
It almost seems like a puppy mill. She has just found a way to make it look more normal and acceptable. She is a puppymill/backyard breeder! Three to four litters before the dog is four yrs old, is not a responsible breeder. Just another breeder out to make money. The average in my circle is 2-3 litters by the time the girls are 5-7. Many of the titled and/or champion dogs I know have never had a litter. I know many people that co-own their dogs for various reasons. I also know many people with intact dogs since we show. I own my boy outright, but will need my breeders consent to neuter him when ready. Yes it's in my contract because we are waiting to see how he develops and if he is breeding quality. I don't think he will be even if he gets his championship. He has a great front end but he's a little narrow in the rear. My breeder and another friend have become great mentors for me. But I still prefer owning my dog outright. I have heard people venting because co-owners don't agree on various things. Anything from food to handling, training and show path. In your situation I also would not want to send my dog away for the eight weeks. I decided not to send my boy down to California for a couple months to show because I would miss him. He is no longer a kennel dog, he is used to our house and has to have time with me every day. We would both be at least a little sad without each other I also don't like being responsible for someone else's dog. This dog would still be part the breeders dog. It makes me nervous using other's dogs when we scooter just for fear of injury while in my care.
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Post by anniefb on Jun 18, 2017 21:11:24 GMT
I would definitely go with the puppy and agree that something does seem off about the breeder, timing and number of litters planned.
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Post by elaine on Jun 18, 2017 21:17:16 GMT
I would have no interest in that arrangement whatsoever. There is no way I would choose to give my dog up for 8 weeks at a time. That would be hell for me - she is important for my mental health.
Something to keep in mind is that not being spayed before first heat increases a female dog's chances of developing mammary cancer.
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Post by Really Red on Jun 18, 2017 21:32:41 GMT
I have a Goldendoodle and a Sproodle (Springer Spaniel poodle) that I love love LOVE. Obviously dogs can be different sizes depending on their parents, and my GD is 65 lbs and my Sproodle is 55 lbs. They are pretty average and my GD is on the smaller side. I've seen GDs the size you're talking about.
I can't believe the wait for you is so long! These pups are spectacular and super friendly and loving with kids as well. FWIW, I'd choose a puppy. Puppies are exhausting. EXHAUSTING, but you make the choices with them rather than someone else. I also wouldn't want to give my puppy up so often. I'd definitely go with a puppy.
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Post by omarakbt on Jun 18, 2017 21:33:57 GMT
I might consider it for ONE litter after the age of two and sign off the dog but not 3-4 litters by the time she is 4 Too many litters, too much time lost from your home and what if something terrible happens? Bitches can be lost during the whelp It happens, happens to the bet and most knowledgeable breeders. I'd go for the puppy because of many reasons mentioned above but mostly because there is the risk when a bitch is bred that something bad can happen and you would be without your much loved dog
Diane
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Post by SabrinaP on Jun 18, 2017 21:41:26 GMT
I could not imagine giving my dog back to the groomer for 8-10 weeks each time she has a liter. I don't think that is good for the dog or good for the family. For those reasons, I would choose a puppy. Sounds like you guys would be perfect for a puppy. Before DH and I had kids we got our first puppy. We went to training and worked with her every night. She was the best dog ever!
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Post by tenacious on Jun 18, 2017 21:43:43 GMT
First of all, BEAUTIFUL pup.
Second, no. I would not be interested in this arrangement at all.
Third, I am the owner of a first gen Labradoodle and I adore her. I will probably never own another dog other than a Lab/Goldendoodle. They are exceptional dogs.
Best of luck! Go with the puppy!
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Post by lesley on Jun 18, 2017 21:49:36 GMT
My Labradoodle Turriff is the best dog I have ever had. We got him as a puppy, and even though he was hard work, I would choose a puppy again over the arrangement this breeder is suggesting. Labradoodles are very loving, affectionate pets who need to be a full member of the family. It would be very difficult for them to be removed from their family, for what is quite a long time, and during that time also go through the stress of having puppies. And to do that to them on 3 or 4 different occasions? That's awful. Don't be a party to this mistreatment. Oh, and my doodle weighs about 80 pounds.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Jun 18, 2017 22:44:45 GMT
I do not know of a single breeder that would allow their bitch to stay with another family. I bolded the part because to me the breeder is in the best position. She is giving the responsibility to another party. Who does that? Wouldn't a reputable breeder keep the female at all times so they can make sure that she is properly maintained? Cared for? Exercised? Trained? To me, it raises red flags. It seems she has too much on her plate and can not handle her breeding. To me it seems it is all about the money. And what are the consequences if something happened to the dog? Say it got out and was injured. Attacked by another dog? Do you owe her any money for that bitch and her litters based on what the breeder would make off of her and litters?Yea, no. A related question: what if, heaven forbid, this dog isn't the one who gets injured but is the one who does the injuring? Maybe he bites a toddler who got too curious, I dunno. Who's on the hook for those damages?
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Post by camcas on Jun 18, 2017 23:17:50 GMT
Nothing to add on the debate but.......I have 2 labradoodles and they really wonderful.......gentle, intelligent and very people oriented Love them!
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Post by elaine on Jun 18, 2017 23:22:41 GMT
What does your mom say/think? She's been a long-time Lab owner. Could she/would she be willing to give up her dogs for 8 weeks at a time once or twice a year? What does she think of the financial arrangement? I would trust her advice.
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Post by IAmUnoriginal on Jun 18, 2017 23:35:37 GMT
We got one of our dogs at 10 weeks and the other is a rescue that we got at 18 months. Both are great dogs. But, the one we got as a baby is better behaved because we trained her exactly how we wanted (no licking, for example). Our rescue didn't have a lot of structure as a puppy and it shows. We've worked with him and he's better. I swear I catch our schnauzer rolling her eyes at him, though . A little perspective on giving your dog up for weeks at a time -- My youngest brother is National Guard. He has a chocolate lab who is the same age as our schnauzer. Before he was married, it was just him and his dog. She's the best. And, they are each other's BFF. I adore that dog, maybe more than I love my brother. He deployed for 9 months in 2007/2008. The dog stayed with our brother and his family. (My SIL said never again after those months.) When he came home from Iraq for our mother's funeral, Ripley refused to leave his side. Every summer, my brother has to do his minimum of 2 weeks of training. Most years, his training is 5-6 weeks. I meet him 1/2 way across Wisconsin and take her if it's going to be longer than two weeks. My brother misses his dog and texts for pictures daily. The dog misses my brother terribly and won't eat the first few days he's away. She's pathetically sad. And, I'm a sucker. I sit down on the kitchen floor and hand feed her to get her over it. She adapts and loves her time with our dogs and my boys. But, she loses her mind when she sees my brother's truck pull up in front of the house. When they come to visit together, she knows this is her second home, but she sure keeps a close eye on my brother to make sure he doesn't leave without her. She hasn't been damaged by his being away, but it's sad to see a dog with a broken heart. Your dog would be away from you, the people with whom she's bonded, during a stressful experience. Knowing how sad Ripley is when my brother is away, I would feel terrible for your dog being away from you for so long while she gives birth and takes care of her pups. Ripley's stay at our house is all fun and getting spoiled.
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Post by mimima on Jun 18, 2017 23:51:12 GMT
I know a family who had that arrangement and all seemed to work out well.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 18, 2017 23:55:26 GMT
I would definitely wait to get your own puppy. I cannot see any benefit to you at all (apart from not having to wait) in looking after someone else's breeding dog. No way would I do this.
(My dad has a labradoodle, she's such a lovely dog - and BIG! I have a Cavoodle and he is just the best little dog. I love all the -oodle breeds.)
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Post by chaosisapony on Jun 19, 2017 0:04:57 GMT
I wouldn't be happy sharing ownership of a pet for a period of 3 years. That's a long time to have to deal with arrangements with the breeder and I would always be worried about something going wrong.
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Post by wezee on Jun 19, 2017 0:05:51 GMT
Both! Seriously
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Post by tincin on Jun 19, 2017 0:18:03 GMT
What is the perk for essentially raising, feeding, paying vet bills for a dog that someone else gets paid for the puppies from? Discounted price? Seems to me the breeder gets all the perks in this scenario.
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Post by gritzi on Jun 19, 2017 0:21:50 GMT
Awww, what an adorable pup. We've owned two Labradoodles and love them! Our 4yo labradoodle is a multi-gen. We considered being a guardian home, but had several reservations re liability should, God Forbid, something happen while in our care.
If you're open to considering a rescue, I highly recommend the non-profit organization I-Dog. Wonderful people who love Doodles and match the rescues with their Fur-ever homes.
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Post by pondrunner on Jun 19, 2017 0:34:18 GMT
Sounds to me like someone wants to get a bunch of puppies from a dog she doesn't want to feed and take care of. Imagine the amount of money you're making for someone else by facilitating this.
Caring for the dog offsite for a period of time in exchange for a puppy from the first litter - maybe. Not this arrangement.
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Post by spitfiregirl on Jun 19, 2017 0:42:16 GMT
I have never heard of this before and i think its INSANE. She's a puppy mill breeder and YOU ARE ENABLING HER..... She is going to lock your dog up in a cage FOR WEEKS .... and make her have babies...and then make a lot of money. You want your pregnant dog that you love to be a treated like breeding vessel? That breeder doesn't love your dog and she never will. She loves the MONEY. GO TO A LABRADOODLE RESCUE. GO TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY. Please run far away from this crazy proposition.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jun 19, 2017 0:52:34 GMT
I wouldn't do it. I'd go for the puppy.
My brother had a similar situation (male dog for show and possible breeding). For a variety of reasons, it ended horribly. About as bad as you can imagine. I don't think that would likely happen for you as the dog has a great disposition, but, well, too many cooks in the kitchen.
And you will bond with the dog.
And whether you like it or not, she is a variation of a back yard breeder with some red flags. I'm not saying she is a horrible person and you shouldn't buy a dog from her. I'm not that black and white, but she can't handle what's on her plate. I HAVE seen what can happen in those situations (see above mention of brother's dog). The breeder they worked with they love, and tries really really hard and loves the breed a TON; still, mistakes---bad mistakes have been made.
I'd beware.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jun 19, 2017 1:03:42 GMT
If you decide to go for the breeding dog, make sure in the contract it says breeder will assume all costs for genetic testing and hips and eyes inspected for problems. There are other genetic problems with poodles that I don't remember any longer. I know poodles are notorious for tortion of the stomach. Maybe this has been bred out of them with the Labrador. I am not sure but I would want to know down the road if she is going to have mechanical problems and testing will show some of that. It's expensive to do, too. It's all part of the "HOBBY" that dog breeding is all about. If she isn't game for it, I would run.
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Post by FurryP on Jun 19, 2017 1:08:32 GMT
A little perspective on giving your dog up for weeks at a time -- My youngest brother is National Guard. He has a chocolate lab who is the same age as our schnauzer. Before he was married, it was just him and his dog. She's the best. And, they are each other's BFF. I adore that dog, maybe more than I love my brother. He deployed for 9 months in 2007/2008. The dog stayed with our brother and his family. (My SIL said never again after those months.) When he came home from Iraq for our mother's funeral, Ripley refused to leave his side. Every summer, my brother has to do his minimum of 2 weeks of training. Most years, his training is 5-6 weeks. I meet him 1/2 way across Wisconsin and take her if it's going to be longer than two weeks. My brother misses his dog and texts for pictures daily. The dog misses my brother terribly and won't eat the first few days he's away. She's pathetically sad. And, I'm a sucker. I sit down on the kitchen floor and hand feed her to get her over it. She adapts and loves her time with our dogs and my boys. But, she loses her mind when she sees my brother's truck pull up in front of the house. When they come to visit together, she knows this is her second home, but she sure keeps a close eye on my brother to make sure he doesn't leave without her. She hasn't been damaged by his being away, but it's sad to see a dog with a broken heart. Heartbreaking!! For both of them.
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Post by terri on Jun 19, 2017 1:27:14 GMT
I have an 11 1/2 year old goldendoodle who is my everything. I can't say enough wonderful things about doodles! I have been involved with several doodle groups over the years and have watched their popularity blow up. You are talking about a mini doodle and from what I have seen over the years, a mini bitch is more likely to have health issues during breeding than other sizes. This in itself would deter me from this arrangement. That said there are a lot of other red flags raised, mostly a really aggressive breeding schedule. I would definitely wait for a puppy. Good luck!
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Post by happymom on Jun 19, 2017 1:30:44 GMT
This is crazy and I sure hope we don't see this as a new trend. Dogs are not money making machines and more states are passing restrictions and laws.
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Post by jamielynn on Jun 19, 2017 1:56:32 GMT
I think all but one of my concerns has been mentioned above.
What if the situation doesn't work out for you? Can you back out at any time of the joint ownership?
I'm not knocking bred dogs but hope with the info above you will look for a reputable breeder who is breeding them properly - not too young, not too many times, is homing the dogs to ensure their temperaments are proper ect. Not farming them out and using them as a moneymaker.
I definitely would not consider this for pretty much all the reasons others listed.
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Post by worrywart on Jun 19, 2017 4:08:12 GMT
I would wait for the puppy. The older dog looks adorable and sweet! I feel for her, poor thing, but that is just way too much breeding and I wouldn't want to have to jump through those hoops or to let her go and live with the breeder for all of that time. Too stressful on her and on you!
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Post by CarolT on Jun 19, 2017 4:54:49 GMT
Beautiful pup!
That wouldn't work for me. I've heard of similar arrangements for male dogs, but not for females. And in those cases, it was only genetically valuable, high-quality show dogs.
We just bought a lovely little cairn terrier pup from a breeder I loved. She has 2 breeding females (a 2.5 year old and a 4 year old) and one male. Her females have one litter every 1.5 years (after the age of 2) and only 3 litters each. After the 3rd litter, they are spayed and retire to lounge on the couch and chase squirrels. She is the owner and care taker of her breeding dogs for their entire lives, and she currently has several retired breeding dogs living in her home.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 6:01:32 GMT
Legal puppy mill. My brother's wife does this, because she raiseds "show" dogs. The crap that they did to get a perfect blue Merle border collins should have had all involved arrested.
Go to a real breeder with the stud and bitch on site.
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