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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 7, 2017 21:45:00 GMT
Posting because of the reference to Meliania wearing sleeveless..
Are sleeveless dresses 'appropriate attire?' Congress doesn't think soCongress is cracking down on their dress code. Congressional reporter Haley Byrd had to leave the Speaker's Lobby in May for wearing a sleeveless dress. The outfit was deemed inappropriate for the room, which has an enforced dress code.In the designated area where reporters often wait to grab representatives for interviews, men are expected to wear suit jackets while women are expected to wear sleeved clothing. In June, Speaker Paul Ryan decided to reiterate ideas of "proper attire" in an announcement to lawmakers. "Members should wear appropriate business attire during all sittings of the House, however brief their appearance on the floor may be," Ryan said. However, there have been exceptions to this dress code in the past -- Michelle Obama wore sleeveless dresses to several State of the Union addresses in the House chamber. Despite all this, there is no official record of what should be worn in the Speaker's Lobby. There are no documents that specify what must be worn; It's largely up to interpretation. The dress code is slow to adapt, as well. One of the more recent -- or, not so recent -- changes occurred in 1837, when lawmakers were banned from wearing hats.www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/06/are-sleeveless-dresses-appropriate-attire-congress-doesnt-th/23020082/ |
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Post by annabella on Jul 7, 2017 21:56:08 GMT
Ivanka wore a sleeveless evening gown to a state of the union address and stuck out like a sore thumb next to all the men and women in business suits.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 7, 2017 21:59:40 GMT
FFS are we back to the god damned sleeveless dress shit??
I literally just don't care anymore, same as I didn't care if Michelle Obama wore shorts and a sleeveless shirt on VACATION!
And frankly after the brew haha over Michelle Obamas clothes on multiple occasions it had better be the right bitching about it this time too.
ETA: and incase spread sheets are lost reminder I am a former republican who did not support Obama often at all. But this clothing crap has got to stop. Don't we have actual issues to deal with?
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 7, 2017 22:01:24 GMT
Men fucking policing women once again.
IT DOES NOT MATTER.
Sleeves, no sleeves. Does not matter. Another attempt to police women's bodies, though. Good job, guys.
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Post by hollymolly on Jul 7, 2017 22:04:41 GMT
But don't the men have to wear suits? If they have to wear a suit jacket, then I don't think it's unreasonable that women should have to wear a jacket or similar. I also saw that the dress code says No open-toed shoes. I was a little outraged at that, then DS said that if women can wear open toed shoes in that setting, then men should be able to wear open-toed shoes. I had to agree with him. I don't want to see man toes in a professional setting.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 7, 2017 22:08:26 GMT
Didn't mean to make everyone angry.. I just thought it interesting that Paul Ryan is discussing it/ruling on it while DT's wife and DD wear sleeveless frequently, as did Michelle Obama.. I have no complaint with what they wear.
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Post by beanbuddymom on Jul 7, 2017 22:08:29 GMT
You know, I feel like it's changed so that it is okay based on the fact that the lawyers on Suits and the doctors on Bones wore them so I guess maybe it's okay! I personally would feel like it's one of those things that you could wear in the office, but when you go to a meeting have a blazer to wear to be appropriate, that's just me. But I'm also old school/can't imagine not wearing hose or tights with a skirt and wear trouser socks/aka knee high hose with dress slacks.
I feel like also if they are going to make it equal and fair then make it that all need to be suits - aka men AND women need to wear suit jackets. Trousers or skirts for the women. Men wear suits, make women wear suits too. That's equal. I don't feel again personally that a dress is business attire for management level, it was appropriate for administrative support, but when I worked for senior executives the staff there had to wear blazers over our dresses or with skirts.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 7, 2017 22:26:32 GMT
I feel like men get screwed with dress codes.
The only way for a man to look appropriate in a business setting is for him to wear pants, socks, shoes, belt, dress shirt, tie, and jacket. That's a lot of clothes in the summer.
If men have to wear all that I really don't think women should bitch about putting on a blazer.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jul 7, 2017 22:35:39 GMT
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Post by hop2 on Jul 7, 2017 22:36:09 GMT
Didn't mean to make everyone angry.. I just thought it interesting that Paul Ryan is discussing it/ruling on it while DT's wife and DD wear sleeveless frequently, as did Michelle Obama.. I have no complaint with what they wear. I'm not angry, just tired of the weird clothing diversions when we have oodles of more important things to deal with. I maybe a bit Touchy with the whole issue after hearing about it adnauseum the last 8 years. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 7, 2017 23:28:03 GMT
Didn't mean to make everyone angry.. I just thought it interesting that Paul Ryan is discussing it/ruling on it while DT's wife and DD wear sleeveless frequently, as did Michelle Obama.. I have no complaint with what they wear. Paul Ryan should worry about his party's disgusting pile of turds that is a "healthcare" bill instead of worrying about women's upper arms. MY GOD. I'm not mad at you... just the thought that these trifling ass men have time to worry about stupid shit like that while our president tweets us into conflict and people need affordable healthcare. Okay, Paul. Okay. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 7, 2017 23:29:18 GMT
It was ridiculous. A waste of time then and a waste of time now. |
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Post by chaosisapony on Jul 7, 2017 23:36:18 GMT
The only way for a man to look appropriate in a business setting is for him to wear pants, socks, shoes, belt, dress shirt, tie, and jacket. That's a lot of clothes in the summer. If men have to wear all that I really don't think women should bitch about putting on a blazer.  It says in the OP that the dress code makes men wear suit jackets so I think it's fair to say that women must have sleeves as well. Personally I think it's stupid and don't find anything inappropriate about sleeveless dresses but as long as the dress code is enforced for both sexes equally I have no real problem with it. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 7, 2017 23:41:55 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 7, 2017 23:53:08 GMT
I think that rules for any of them having to have sleeves or a jacket are silly, and wish that they would focus on their actual jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 23:59:11 GMT
I'm surprised they aren't making the women have the hem of their skirts go all the way to the floor so you can't see their legs.
Edited to add. And let's require all necklines be up to the throat with Peter Pan collars!
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Post by jamiebohbamie on Jul 8, 2017 0:01:56 GMT
Men fucking policing women once again. IT DOES NOT MATTER. Sleeves, no sleeves. Does not matter. Another attempt to police women's bodies, though. Good job, guys.  This. Every bit of this. Not a single one of these dress code issues/violations/rules are ever brought up by women- it's just men and their BS. Soon, the Handmaid's Tale gowns won't be purely for protest... |
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Post by lisae on Jul 8, 2017 1:26:13 GMT
Wouldn't it be nice if our Congressmen had something else to occupy their little minds, like maybe healthcare reform for example?
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Post by jenis40 on Jul 8, 2017 1:44:45 GMT
As long as the dress codes are enforced equally, I don't CARE. In fairness to Ryan, he didn't invent this dress code, it's pretty longstanding. And I put occasional visitors like the First Lady in a different category than Congresspeople, staff and Congressional reporters who are there every day for their jobs.
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Post by 16joy on Jul 8, 2017 1:55:45 GMT
Women want equality and we have to have equal dress codes as well. Do women really expect an exception to the rules simply because they are women? If it's suits or jackets for men, women need to be prepared for the female equivalent dress.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 8, 2017 2:19:30 GMT
Wouldn't it be nice if our Congressmen had something else to occupy their little minds, like maybe healthcare reform for example? Yes, these dress rules are silly when there are real problems to address. |
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Post by pondrunner on Jul 8, 2017 2:22:54 GMT
To me it depends on the dress. Sundresses are too casual for almost any work environment. A structured dress with a wide shoulder piece is usually appropriate for work in my opinion and while I observe that many women can't tell the difference between a sundress and a workdress it is not the arms and/or shoulders that make the difference.
The dress code for men will never be equivalent to that for women because men and women often wear different kinds of clothes. This is why the rules are usually written in a way that appears inconsistent, and therefore the dress code should be written to the standard of good judgment for both sexes as opposed to attempting to make it somehow equivalent.
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Post by pondrunner on Jul 8, 2017 2:23:20 GMT
I feel like men get screwed with dress codes. The only way for a man to look appropriate in a business setting is for him to wear pants, socks, shoes, belt, dress shirt, tie, and jacket. That's a lot of clothes in the summer. If men have to wear all that I really don't think women should bitch about putting on a blazer. Poor mens. So put upon in the workplace. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Jul 8, 2017 3:08:57 GMT
I'm sorry, I'm breaking with my people on this one. Sleeveless is not professional attire. It may be cute, it may be comfortable, it may be more temperate but it is not professional. I know we don't care about decorum and appropriate clothing choices in our culture anymore so it is what it is.
FWIW, I don't think it's okay that they allow male members to wear gym clothes or jeans to vote because they were short on time either. Wear a damn suit on the plane if you are cutting it that close. I think the overwrought references to the Handmaid's Tale on this one are ridiculous - professional people dress professionally. If you want to pay $1 to wear flip flops or a sundress on casual Friday go for it but when you are acting in a professional capacity in the US capitol, dress like a professional adult.
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Post by cycworker on Jul 8, 2017 3:21:34 GMT
Women want equality and we have to have equal dress codes as well. Do women really expect an exception to the rules simply because they are women? If it's suits or jackets for men, women need to be prepared for the female equivalent dress. I Agreed. Though I think they should loosen the dress code for men, too. There's no reason a man should have to wear a jacket/tie. No jeans, no t shirts with logos on it is about as much as I'd enforce. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 3:48:25 GMT
They can wear uniforms. Red polos for the Republicans, Blue for the Dems, Purple for Independents. Black pants or knee-length skirt for either party or any gender. Done.
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Post by jenis40 on Jul 8, 2017 4:05:31 GMT
They can wear uniforms. Red polos for the Republicans, Blue for the Dems, Purple for Independents. Black pants or knee-length skirt for either party or any gender. Done. Taking this one step further, Congresspeople should wear patches like NASCAR drivers so we know who they're beholden to for campaign donations. |
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Post by ~summer~ on Jul 8, 2017 4:12:52 GMT
I actually have never found sleeveless to be professional attire -- and I am always surprised when women wear them in a professional setting. I seem to be in the minority. I also don't think women look good in short skirts or super high heels. Out for cocktails, out with friends, at home or wherever --- yes, but at work, no. Similar to when I have interviewed men and they were in khakis -- totally fine but not very professional.
In terms of politicians, I agree I care more about what they do than what they wear.
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Post by Legacy Girl on Jul 8, 2017 4:45:26 GMT
If you want the honor of serving in Congress, you should adhere to the standards of the House or Senate, regardless of your gender. Period. If wearing sleeveless on the House or Senate floor is that important to you, then maybe it's time to find a job that allows you to choose less structured attire. (Says the woman whose career was at a high level of state government, with dress code standards to match).
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Post by courtney on Jul 8, 2017 6:24:11 GMT
Who cares if a woman wears sleeves? Showing maybe 2 more inches of each arm than with a capped sleeve
So what if men have to wear a suit jacket? Women are expected to have their hair and makeup perfectly done, wear a bra, pantyhose and heels. And are taken less seriously than men by 37% in wages.
It makes me sick to think of how women are expected to spend all this money on different dresses ( because someone will surely notice if they wear the same one frequently) when men can get away will wearing the same couple of suits with a few different dress shirts over and over. They are also expected to, and spend a lot of money, to maintain a certain level of beauty to impress men, when men can get away with combing their hair and brushing their teeth in the morning. Which puts the wage in-equality even deeper for women.
I was discussing this with a male coworker the other day.
He asked how much I spend on beauty a month:
~$100/month manicures/pedicures
~ $100/ month hair ( usually spend ~300 every three months between one cut/highlight and a few blowdrys)
~$200/ month waxing and eyelashes
$400/month...$4,800 a year spend on "women only" maintenance activities. Thats not even counting the money I spend on makeup or hair product, the botox I'll need soon, or my occasional spray tan. Or the frequent upgrade of wardrobe. But it is expected of women in my industry.
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This. Every bit of this. Not a single one of these dress code issues/violations/rules are ever brought up by women- it's just men and their BS. Soon, the Handmaid's Tale gowns won't be purely for protest...
