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Post by Peal on Sept 4, 2017 5:44:03 GMT
My son was called racist on a regular basis at his middle school in texas by his classmates. The demographics of the school was overwhelmingly minority. He was an easy target for harassment by some students who were parroting what they were hearing elsewhere. Ds just kept his head down, didn't talk to anyone besides his friends, and came home and vented to me. He isn't racists, he pretty much disdaines all people equally, thanks to sucky middle school experiences (in two different states)
People can be awful. Especially if they are between the ages of 12 to 15.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 4, 2017 6:31:57 GMT
I keep seeing that being said. I think it's BS. I don't get it. I am and have been white my entire l o n g life. No one has ever called me racist. And I know there is a lot of people I know and around are on both the "left" and the "right". Many that I've seen/heard say this seem to be more in fear of somehow losing rights just by the thought of POC gaining equality. I've been white my entire life too. These days, just going about my day being the same person I've always been - treating everyone the same - just don't seem to be acceptable. Blood is wanted, and no amount will ever satisfy. And I do blame the left. They've gleefully fueled the fires of racist accusations and won't stop until this entire country burns to ground. I've been white all my life, too. My politics lean left and I can't think of anyone on the left that has said white = racists. Whites supremacists who parade chanting "blood & soil", etc., = racists for sure, but every white person? Who is gleefully saying that? SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by anniebygaslight on Sept 4, 2017 7:12:35 GMT
I disagree - too many people following the far left's word. If you are white, you are automatically racist. Possibly one of the stupidest things I have ever read. I agree!
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Post by wellway on Sept 4, 2017 7:33:40 GMT
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Sept 4, 2017 8:52:26 GMT
Because he passed 'too close' to a black man while pushing a shopping cart in a store parking lot. The world has gone mad on a whole new level. I agree, OP. This might have happened here in South Africa, at any shopping centre on any given day. For being too close, or as put by another poster, for appearing to avoid. Madness indeed.
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Post by pyccku on Sept 4, 2017 9:21:03 GMT
Hmmmm....my son also worked as a cart pusher. He also had issues with people who didn't like him getting too close with the carts and the mule. He's also white. He never got accused of being a racist for getting too close, but he did have people get irate when he got too close to either them or their vehicles.
It can be very difficult to control the carts and the mule, especially when you are pushing a large number of carts. It turns out that people just really don't like getting bumped by the carts, or having the carts scratch or dent their cars. It sounds like your son ran into someone with a grudge or weird sort of reasoning - the exact same kind of reasoning that also leads people to blame "the left" for the actions of one crazy black guy.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 4, 2017 11:01:56 GMT
So true but it isn't the world... It is here in the US. Too many people following our fearless leader's words.. I disagree - too many people following the far left's word. If you are white, you are automatically racist. Nah. Your son just ran into a crazy. Every race has 'em!
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Post by Olan on Sept 4, 2017 12:00:10 GMT
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Post by scrapaddie on Sept 4, 2017 13:29:11 GMT
Possibly one of the stupidest things I have ever read. I've seen the sentiment expressed here and elsewhere. White = racist. It has devolved to that in many places and for many people. Yes, I have read long posts about how you are racist even if you don't know you are racist. I stopped reading them because there really is no point. I clearly don't 'get it' I remember my grandfather. I loved him dearly, but he was blatantly anti anyone who wasn't a WASP. My father, his son, worked hard to make certain his children grew up with the view that every person should be evaluated by who they are, not what they look like. Today, this family is very colorful. And very close
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 4, 2017 13:34:39 GMT
I disagree - too many people following the far left's word.  If you are white, you are automatically racist.I keep seeing that being said. I think it's BS.  I don't get it.  I am and have been white my entire   l  o  n  g   life.  No one has ever called me racist.  And I know there is a lot of people I know and around are on both the "left" and the "right".  Many that I've seen/heard say this seem to be more in fear of somehow losing rights just by the thought of POC gaining equality.  I think that depends upon where you live and how you come into contact with people of other races. My dd works in retail. She is not allowed to process returns. A black woman came in asking to return an item. Dd called for a manager and the woman started calling dd a racist for not helping her. A black coworker with more experience walked over to back up dd and the woman kept on. It took a while for me to convince dd that some people are just assholes and will use whatever weapon they have to get their way. White teachers are sometimes called racist by students and parents. Thankfully just a handful of kids do this though. I once asked a kid why that was his fallback when he gets caught doing something wrong and he said it was because it works. People are afraid of the label so they cave to demands. One of the teachers that gets it more often than most (certain classes have more challenging students than others) is married to a black man.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 4, 2017 13:55:16 GMT
My son was called racist on a regular basis at his middle school in texas by his classmates. The demographics of the school was overwhelmingly minority. He was an easy target for harassment by some students who were parroting what they were hearing elsewhere. Ds just kept his head down, didn't talk to anyone besides his friends, and came home and vented to me. He isn't racists, he pretty much disdaines all people equally, thanks to sucky middle school experiences (in two different states) People can be awful. Especially if they are between the ages of 12 to 15. I agree, people can be awful. I don't know your son so can't say anything about that situation. However, in some cases parents need to be more aware of what their children are projecting. For example, last week we went to school open house at the middle school. As we were walking in, we saw a boy on my son's baseball team and his family. He has two step-siblings that we saw at a few games this summer. As we were walking to the car, DS said, "He (the stepbrother) is in in my SA and he is horrible." I asked why he said that, and he said that the boy plays racist music and videos on his phone. I doubt his parents know that. Not long ago there was a pea who posted about her sons bench that he made--that had a confederate flag on it. She seemed oblivious to the fact that people would see that as racist, even after it was not allowed to stay at school (IIRC). I'm sure neither of these parents would like their child being called a racist, although their behaviors do show indications that they have racist beliefs.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 4, 2017 14:06:19 GMT
I keep seeing that being said. I think it's BS. I don't get it. I am and have been white my entire l o n g life. No one has ever called me racist. And I know there is a lot of people I know and around are on both the "left" and the "right". Many that I've seen/heard say this seem to be more in fear of somehow losing rights just by the thought of POC gaining equality. I think that depends upon where you live and how you come into contact with people of other races. My dd works in retail. She is not allowed to process returns. A black woman came in asking to return an item. Dd called for a manager and the woman started calling dd a racist for not helping her. A black coworker with more experience walked over to back up dd and the woman kept on. It took a while for me to convince dd that some people are just assholes and will use whatever weapon they have to get their way. White teachers are sometimes called racist by students and parents. Thankfully just a handful of kids do this though. I once asked a kid why that was his fallback when he gets caught doing something wrong and he said it was because it works. People are afraid of the label so they cave to demands. One of the teachers that gets it more often than most (certain classes have more challenging students than others) is married to a black man. And on the other hand, there are also black people who let instances of racism go and don't say much, if anything, about it. My DH is black. He has only told me about a few instances that I would see as discrimination, but he downplays them. One example happened several years ago. He was on his way home from work at about 8:30 in the summer. So it wasn't dark yet. He got pulled over by the police for not having his lights on. There were two officers, one on each side of his car. They asked for his license and insurance info. As he reached into the glove box for the insurance info both officers pulled their guns. He has not had any other speeding tickets or legal history. Neither have I. And I have been pulled over a few times and never had the officer pull a gun. A few weeks ago DH went to the Twins game with the kids and two other dads/their kids. They got a bunch of food before heading to their seats and had their hands full. When they got to the aisle, a man asked for their tickets. The dads in front of DH (who he was with) asked if he could go to the seats first, then give the food to the kids and come back with the ticket to show him. The guy said yes. DH asked the same thing and was told no, even after DH pointed out that the other guys were allowed to do it. DH had to put all of the food down, pick it back up and then go to the seats. With the kids watching all of this. In both of these situations, he was irritated but I felt it was more of an issue of discrimination than he did. Also, when he worked in retail, he would say that people would make comments such as, "Can I talk to the manager (he was the manager)" or things that indicate that they think he was an exception to the stereotypical black person. Meant to be a compliment, I am sure. But it doesn't quite come across that way.
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 4, 2017 14:13:27 GMT
My son was called racist on a regular basis at his middle school in texas by his classmates. The demographics of the school was overwhelmingly minority. He was an easy target for harassment by some students who were parroting what they were hearing elsewhere. Ds just kept his head down, didn't talk to anyone besides his friends, and came home and vented to me. He isn't racists, he pretty much disdaines all people equally, thanks to sucky middle school experiences (in two different states) People can be awful. Especially if they are between the ages of 12 to 15. I agree, people can be awful. Â I don't know your son so can't say anything about that situation. Â However, in some cases parents need to be more aware of what their children are projecting. Â For example, last week we went to school open house at the middle school. As we were walking in, we saw a boy on my son's baseball team and his family. He has two step-siblings that we saw at a few games this summer. As we were walking to the car, DS said, "He (the stepbrother) is in in my SA and he is horrible." I asked why he said that, and he said that the boy plays racist music and videos on his phone. I doubt his parents know that. Â Not long ago there was a pea who posted about her sons bench that he made--that had a confederate flag on it. She seemed oblivious to the fact that people would see that as racist, even after it was not allowed to stay at school (IIRC). Â I'm sure neither of these parents would like their child being called a racist, although their behaviors do show indications that they have racist beliefs. Â Of course. It couldn't possibly be true that a white kid is simply bullied for being white. I agree, things go on at school and parents are usually clueless. But your post seems to imply that when a white child is a minority student black kids wouldn't call names without cause. But when people talk about black kids getting picked on by white kids for being in the minority no one questions the validity of those statements. FTR my kids were minority students in elementary school. The principal went out of her way to make sure diversity was celebrated and that the black children did not exclude or name-call the white children. Talk like this was shut down quickly.
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Post by scrappinmama on Sept 4, 2017 14:29:30 GMT
I'm Mexican American and very much in the minority where I live. I do not think all white people are racist. I can tell when someone is racist by their words or actions, not the color of their skin.
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Post by jenis40 on Sept 4, 2017 14:34:24 GMT
No one should be bullying, name calling etc but I think we can all agree that black people/other people of color have endure far more of this than white people. I don't think the "left" is causing racial divide in this country but I think a distinct lack of empathy from a few people on the "right" is definitely causing a large fracture.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 4, 2017 14:41:46 GMT
I keep seeing that being said. I think it's BS. I don't get it. I am and have been white my entire l o n g life. No one has ever called me racist. And I know there is a lot of people I know and around are on both the "left" and the "right". Many that I've seen/heard say this seem to be more in fear of somehow losing rights just by the thought of POC gaining equality. I've been white my entire life too. These days, just going about my day being the same person I've always been - treating everyone the same - just don't seem to be acceptable. Blood is wanted, and no amount will ever satisfy. And I do blame the left. They've gleefully fueled the fires of racist accusations and won't stop until this entire country burns to ground. Oh my goodness. Way to use that really broad brush. If you were paying attention, "the left" is about being all inclusive and trying to lessen any divide. The current administration--yeah, not so much. He & they are trying on a daily basis for a deeper divide. For them, they are putting ethnicity against one another...women against men...rich against poor. But hey, you're convinced. 😳🙄
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Post by Belia on Sept 4, 2017 14:49:31 GMT
A red flag for me in your post: Why are you so quick to ascribe a single, isolated incident involving your son to "the world has gone mad" and "if you are white you are automatically racist" and "there is a core on the left hellbent on feeding fire to racism" etc etc etc.
If your son had been yelled at by a (white) senior citizen for coming too close with a cart, and that person went on a rant about the millenial generation and young whippersnappers not showing respect to their elders these days, I suspect your response would be very, very different. I suspect you would assume that person was a random nutjob and/or having a bad day, and that the incident itself was an anomoly as well. Not evidence of an evil conspiracy fed by the deep pockets of the AARP.
But the incident your son actually experienced is a cultural force, in your mind. Orchastrated and fed by a vast left-wing conspiracy (and probably the fakenews main stream media and maybe even George Soros?) Which makes me question your world view.
Like someone else said upthread- assholes come in all colors. Sometimes its as simple as that.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 4, 2017 15:01:20 GMT
Well, then. I guess I'm grateful to live in blue California, because I don't see white people who are just going about their lives being accused of being racist. I really don't have a polite response to the rest of your post. I get that you're angry because someone verbally attacked your son. I'd be angry, too. But your anger obviously goes much deeper than that. You seem very angry at "the left" and people of color in general. That makes me sad. I don't think anything can be said to reach you at this point. It makes me really sad and uncomfortable to know that people like you look at people like me with suspicion and anger. I'm not angry at people of color. Â There you go putting words in my mouth. Â What I am angry about is that this shit happens and it's because of this craptastic political divide. Political agendas have taken over and made people lose their senses. Â It's fucking nuts. First- I'm sorry that happened to your son. The man was wrong. However, flat out blaming 'the left' because someone on the internet misread your post will help the political divide how? Blanket statements about *them* ( the left, the right, black people, white people, etc what ever 'side' is not you ) clearly marks YOUR place in the divide and fuels the fire of divisiveness. People both left & right do this and its not really helping anyone. I could do without both parties. Neither is helping this country right now. *someone* you don't even know who, or where he stands politically, verbally attacked your son, so you make a lot of angry statements about people completely un connected with the incident because your tired of the political divide? SMDH it makes no sense at all.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 4, 2017 15:29:10 GMT
I'm guessing that to you, "fueling the racial divide" means no longer expecting minorities to just sit down and shut up? I don't remember your thread from last week complaining about the happy Trump supporters marching in Charlottesville and threatening minorities. But somehow racism is the fault of the left?
The fact that you would link one random crazy guy's rant to the entire left wing of this country supposedly fueling racism sounds ridiculous. You should be able to figure that one out on your own, once you've calmed down a bit.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2017 15:29:38 GMT
I knew that the world had gone insane when the words "hard work" and "peanut butter and jelly" were deemed "racist".
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Post by PLurker on Sept 4, 2017 15:54:57 GMT
I knew that the world had gone insane when the words "hard work" and "peanut butter and jelly" were deemed "racist". Ok... new one to me, too. Please explain. I've never heard those words being racist.
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Post by Merge on Sept 4, 2017 16:12:23 GMT
When someone brings up the term white fragility, this is what they're talking about.
Poor kid. I sure hope he gets over this terrible experience. 🙄
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 4, 2017 16:14:58 GMT
I knew that the world had gone insane when the words "hard work" and "peanut butter and jelly" were deemed "racist". Ok... new one to me, too. Please explain. I've never heard those words being racist. I don't understand it. I just remember some AAs saying that white people don't know hard work; the slaves did. Or something like that. PB&J, I don't understand why it was called racist.
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Post by busy on Sept 4, 2017 16:17:46 GMT
The situtation may be an unfortunate misunderstanding with a jerk. Or there may be more to the story that OP’s son didn’t share because he knows it would make him look bad. Or something else. We don’t have any way of knowing what really happened.
But what we do know for sure is that racism is the fault of racists - who, by the way, have recently been emboldened by 45 and his tacit approval of white supremacists. Racism is NOT the fault of people who call it out. Ignoring it doesn’t make it go away.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 4, 2017 17:37:26 GMT
I agree, people can be awful. Â I don't know your son so can't say anything about that situation. Â However, in some cases parents need to be more aware of what their children are projecting. Â For example, last week we went to school open house at the middle school. As we were walking in, we saw a boy on my son's baseball team and his family. He has two step-siblings that we saw at a few games this summer. As we were walking to the car, DS said, "He (the stepbrother) is in in my SA and he is horrible." I asked why he said that, and he said that the boy plays racist music and videos on his phone. I doubt his parents know that. Â Not long ago there was a pea who posted about her sons bench that he made--that had a confederate flag on it. She seemed oblivious to the fact that people would see that as racist, even after it was not allowed to stay at school (IIRC). Â I'm sure neither of these parents would like their child being called a racist, although their behaviors do show indications that they have racist beliefs. Â Of course. It couldn't possibly be true that a white kid is simply bullied for being white. I agree, things go on at school and parents are usually clueless. But your post seems to imply that when a white child is a minority student black kids wouldn't call names without cause. But when people talk about black kids getting picked on by white kids for being in the minority no one questions the validity of those statements. FTR my kids were minority students in elementary school. The principal went out of her way to make sure diversity was celebrated and that the black children did not exclude or name-call the white children. Talk like this was shut down quickly. I said "in some cases" and I also agreed that people can be jerks. I don't doubt that there are assholes of all colors. My point was that sometimes parents need to look more deeply about why their kids are being picked on. And that goes for someone being called a racist or any other type of situation. Not all the time, but it is not uncommon for kids who say they are getting bullied to also be engaging in the same behavior themselves. Also, based on what I have seen on posts here, there is a pretty big group of people that think that only those wearing kkk robes or that have swastikas on their arms are racists. I was pointing out that there are other indicators that someone is a racist, and people who do not want to be around racists or feel unsafe pay attention to those things, even if someone else thinks they are no big deal.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 4, 2017 18:37:11 GMT
Possibly one of the stupidest things I have ever read. I've seen the sentiment expressed here and elsewhere. Â White = racist. Â It has devolved to that in many places and for many people. I agree and I tend to lean left on many issues
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 4, 2017 18:43:58 GMT
When someone brings up the term white fragility, this is what they're talking about. Poor kid. I sure hope he gets over this terrible experience. 🙄 I disagree. Being yelled at by anybody is often unnerving, especially for a teen. Adding in being called a racist probably really threw the kid and he is upset. Why can't people have empathy for all sorts of others, not just the politically correct ones.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 4, 2017 18:57:44 GMT
I've seen the sentiment expressed here and elsewhere. Â White = racist. Â It has devolved to that in many places and for many people. I agree and I tend to lean left on many issues I haven't seen anyone say that white=racist. But I have seen that trump supporter=racist.
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Post by lurkingsince2001 on Sept 4, 2017 19:21:25 GMT
The guy who is in Taylor Swift's new video, Todric Hall I think is his name, was called a traitor for doing so. He said he got texts from people asking how he could be friends with a white person because they are incapable of love or friendship or some shit like that.
John Legend's casting call for his new vid specifically called for older, fat, white people to play Trump supporters. I thought more than just those people voted for him?
I've read plenty of people being called racist on this very board. On another thread, it sure read like Elaine called Snowsilver a Nazi over what seemed to amount to Snowsilver not responding to a particular post fast enough.
And on this thread a pea implied that racism doesn't exist elsewhere in the world and is a uniquely American problem.
World gone made indeed!
Crazy and unreasonable comes in every size, shape, color, socio-economic class, and religion from anywhere in the world. It did before Trump and it will likely continue after him as well. It's easy to blame one man for others being more bold in their actions. The problem goes far beyond him and is a problem in some form wherever humans exist. I think some of them have just figured out how to handle it or hide it better.
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Post by busy on Sept 4, 2017 19:24:54 GMT
I agree and I tend to lean left on many issues I haven't seen anyone say that white=racist. But I have seen that trump supporter=racist. I don’t see people saying white = racist but white = privilege. And that *is* true, much of the time in ways that go unnoticed by those who are white.
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