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Post by busy on Sept 5, 2017 20:45:48 GMT
Typical liberal response. Immediately resort to name calling. Responses like yours are among the reasons Trump won. People got sick of your bullshit. Yes. People were so offended by name-calling they decided to elect the biggest name caller of all to be President. I mean, how can you even assert that with a straight face?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 5, 2017 20:46:56 GMT
Exactly, half the country feel one way and half feel the other. You can claim that your way is the morally correct way but that's only your opinion. As is the fact that those who think different than you believe their way is the morally correct one. I get that you hate Trump. You state it every single day. The country is now "more divided than ever" is because your "side" can't deal with the fact that they lost and are going to make sure that everyone in this country has to "pay" until the next election. To quote Obama "elections have consequences". I guess he's not so glib now that the consequences are ones he doesn't like. You're a silly little girl now aren't you. Trumps an asshole. Not even remotely qualified to do the job. Shit he cannot even run his own businesses honestly either. Trump divided the country, not "the liberal side" as you so poorly claim. And honey, your claim that liberals can't deal because they lost is so lame and so far off the mark. Your posturing here says a lot about you--your one of those types that fit the deplorable description to a "T", you are glued to spewing propaganda and you have no compassion. And, once again it's factual that Obama made the morally right decision. You need to go find yourself a dictionary and read what "to be morally right" is all about, because it is not, by any definition, what Trump/Sessions plans are with DACA.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 5, 2017 20:48:17 GMT
Oh yes, I know. I am devoid of compassion. I am racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamaphobic, gender-phobic.... Let me know if I left anything out. Alternate fact poster, No compassion, propaganda spewer...
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 5, 2017 20:49:19 GMT
I stated my opinion and I know that nothing I say will change the "Trump's a racist" mantra. So, I'm out of here. It's not a mantra. It's the factual truth.
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Post by busy on Sept 5, 2017 20:52:41 GMT
God, these damn DACA recipients. Such leeches on our society.
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Post by jayfab on Sept 5, 2017 20:55:05 GMT
Exactly, half the country feel one way and half feel the other. You can claim that your way is the morally correct way but that's only your opinion. As is the fact that those who think different than you believe their way is the morally correct one. I get that you hate Trump. You state it every single day. The country is now "more divided than ever" is because your "side" can't deal with the fact that they lost and are going to make sure that everyone in this country has to "pay" until the next election. To quote Obama "elections have consequences". I guess he's not so glib now that the consequences are ones he doesn't like. BULLSHIT we've lost times before and the country didn't explode into division. Seems like the division exploded after President Obama won. I "wonder" why??? And the reason it's remaining divided (and growing) is because a racist "won" the electoral college last election.
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Post by maryannscraps on Sept 5, 2017 20:55:41 GMT
Exactly, half the country feel one way and half feel the other. You can claim that your way is the morally correct way but that's only your opinion. As is the fact that those who think different than you believe their way is the morally correct one. I get that you hate Trump. You state it every single day. The country is now "more divided than ever" is because your "side" can't deal with the fact that they lost and are going to make sure that everyone in this country has to "pay" until the next election. To quote Obama "elections have consequences". I guess he's not so glib now that the consequences are ones he doesn't like. Wow. And I'm pretty much sure that it's less than a quarter siding with the way you feel. (rough estimate based on voting and current polls.) I'm not upset with a Democratic loss. I've always been able to feel that whoever was President, no matter what party, had the best interest of America in his heart. That's not the case with Trump. He's shown himself to be untrustworthy, a liar, not very articulate or knowledgeable, and he enjoys using cruelty and humiliation. I was hoping for better, but am not surprised due to his actions over the last 30 years. I'm pretty sure that him repeating over and over that anyone who disagrees with him is an enemy is a major part of the division in this country. It was there before, but he's actually encouraging it.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 5, 2017 20:58:31 GMT
Shrug. The responses are, as I said, typical.
And I'm ok with the them. It doesn't change my position. It only reinforces my beliefs about the the people making them.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 5, 2017 21:00:56 GMT
You read a statement like that and it reminds you that we have a spirit as a country that is worth celebrating and a sense of common mission and purpose that is worth advancing. It doesn't hurt that it is beautifully written, either.
Honestly, I just came from a meeting where we were discussing how to help our own students who are affected by what happened this morning; again, real people, incredible people, hard-working people, AMERICAN people, who are right now filled with unbelievable stress and fear at a time when what they should be doing is focusing on developing the skills and knowledge that they have so that they can be even more productive workers. Reading that reminded me how many of us -- really, the majority of us -- want to make sure that these 800,000 people are secure in their American dreams. Let's hope that the Republicans in Congress -- many of whom I have seen speak out in favor of DACA recipients in the past 24 hours -- act swiftly on their behalf.
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Post by inkedup on Sept 5, 2017 21:02:51 GMT
Exactly, half the country feel one way and half feel the other. You can claim that your way is the morally correct way but that's only your opinion. As is the fact that those who think different than you believe their way is the morally correct one. I get that you hate Trump. You state it every single day. The country is now "more divided than ever" is because your "side" can't deal with the fact that they lost and are going to make sure that everyone in this country has to "pay" until the next election. To quote Obama "elections have consequences". I guess he's not so glib now that the consequences are ones he doesn't like. It's so convenient to say that people are angry at Trump because Hillary lost. I might believe that if we heard grousing about the election and not about the actual actions that Trump has taken since he was sworn in to office. Trump talks more about the election than any Democrat I've heard. For eight years, I heard that my president was not American. That he was a sympathizer for extremists. That he was a dictator. That he hated America. I don't recall the left ever saying that the right was just bitter they lost. This is a tired and incorrect trope, and the fact that you trot it out like a tired little drum shows your lack of intellect. People on the left aren't upset that Hillary lost; we're upset about the actions of the petty little man who beat her.
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Post by busy on Sept 5, 2017 21:03:27 GMT
You haven’t yet explained why you believe your position is morally correct. I am genuinely interested in hearing it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 5, 2017 21:05:46 GMT
Shrug. The responses are, as I said, typical. And I'm ok with the them. It doesn't change my position. It only reinforces my beliefs about the the people making them. Ditto and right back at ya!
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Post by Gennifer on Sept 5, 2017 21:09:41 GMT
Typical liberal response. Immediately resort to name calling. Responses like yours are among the reasons Trump won. People got sick of your bullshit. I'm not a liberal. I'm registered as an Independent, and my voting history is pretty much split down the middle between Republican and Democrat. I have my own opinion as to why Trump "won," if you consider getting fewer votes "winning." That's beside the point. My comment here, however, has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with your automatic-asshole-response. I'm sick of YOUR bullshit.
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Post by terrip32 on Sept 5, 2017 21:16:47 GMT
Mr Obama is an exceptional human being! His statement is on point.
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 5, 2017 22:11:08 GMT
Shrug. The responses are, as I said, typical. And I'm ok with the them. It doesn't change my position. It only reinforces my beliefs about the the people making them. Back on page 1 you said you were "out of here". So why are you still here?
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 5, 2017 22:27:08 GMT
IF Congress chooses to do nothing, then they as our elected representatives get to choose. The fact that the President wants something and the congress doesn't give it to him doesn't justify unilateral action and if the President does choose to act unilaterally, then so can the next president. Funny how Obama's motives are always golden and Trumps are always suspect. Actually, no, it's not funny; it's damn sad. You're right. Trump can undo this by EO; he has that right. Congress can also take action; they have that right. And we can lambaste them for it; we, too, have rights. For now, Trump wins. We have to deal with it, but we don't have to like it, and we don't have to stay quiet about it.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 5, 2017 22:28:04 GMT
Typical liberal response. Immediately resort to name calling. Responses like yours are among the reasons Trump won. People got sick of your bullshit. I'm not a liberal. I'm registered as an Independent, and my voting history is pretty much split down the middle between Republican and Democrat. I have my own opinion as to why Trump "won," if you consider getting fewer votes "winning." That's beside the point. My comment here, however, has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with your automatic-asshole-response. I'm sick of YOUR bullshit. Then put me on ignore. Because being an asshole yourself doesn't make your point of being sick of anything I've said in my scant 30 days here.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 5, 2017 22:28:38 GMT
IF Congress chooses to do nothing, then they as our elected representatives get to choose. The fact that the President wants something and the congress doesn't give it to him doesn't justify unilateral action and if the President does choose to act unilaterally, then so can the next president. Funny how Obama's motives are always golden and Trumps are always suspect. Actually, no, it's not funny; it's damn sad. You're right. Trump can undo this by EO; he has that right. Congress can also take action; they have that right. And we can lambaste them for it; we, too, have rights. For now, Trump wins. We have to deal with it, but we don't have to like it, and we don't have to stay quiet about it. Fair enough. And I don't have to stay quiet about my opinion on your discontent.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 5, 2017 22:29:34 GMT
Shrug. The responses are, as I said, typical. And I'm ok with the them. It doesn't change my position. It only reinforces my beliefs about the the people making them. Back on page 1 you said you were "out of here". So why are you still here? Because last I saw, you weren't the post police. So I'll post when and where I want; no explanations owed to you.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 5, 2017 22:30:13 GMT
Shrug. The responses are, as I said, typical. And I'm ok with the them. It doesn't change my position. It only reinforces my beliefs about the the people making them. Ditto and right back at ya! I'm good with that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 22:31:59 GMT
President Obama used complete and thoughtful sentences. Can somebody translate it for me? There's just so many bigly words.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 5, 2017 22:53:16 GMT
You're right. Trump can undo this by EO; he has that right. Congress can also take action; they have that right. And we can lambaste them for it; we, too, have rights. For now, Trump wins. We have to deal with it, but we don't have to like it, and we don't have to stay quiet about it. Fair enough. And I don't have to stay quiet about my opinion on your discontent. Quite right. No argument there.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 5, 2017 22:56:23 GMT
And as long as we can each state our viewpoints without calling each other names, I'm cool with everyone stating what they think and feel.
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Post by lindas on Sept 5, 2017 22:56:24 GMT
"Now, let’s be clear. This is not amnesty. This is not immunity. This is not a path to citizenship. It’s not a permanent fix. This is a temporary, stopgap measure that lets us focus our resources wisely while giving a degree of relief and hope to talented, driven, patriotic young people. It is the — it is the right thing to do"
Obama's statement when he signed the EO on DACA. I have no doubt he thought it was the right thing to do at the time but he did it knowing it could end just as easily. If not Trump then most likely by the courts.
I know you all think Trump is a cold hearted SOB but I see it as him forcing the do nothing congress we've had for the last 8+ yrs to finally get off their asses, put partisan politics aside and do what is right for this country and those affected by this. We need an immigration policy that will allow people to come legally and in order to do that we need a reasonable number per yr allowed in with a system that can handle that number so that it doesn't take years to process them. Congress has been kicking this can down the road for way too long and it can't continue. We need to hold our representatives feet to the fire and demand they come up with a solution that is fair and reasonable for current and future immigrants but still protects American citizens.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 23:27:36 GMT
"Now, let’s be clear. This is not amnesty. This is not immunity. This is not a path to citizenship. It’s not a permanent fix. This is a temporary, stopgap measure that lets us focus our resources wisely while giving a degree of relief and hope to talented, driven, patriotic young people. It is the — it is the right thing to do" Obama's statement when he signed the EO on DACA. I have no doubt he thought it was the right thing to do at the time but he did it knowing it could end just as easily. If not Trump then most likely by the courts. I know you all think Trump is a cold hearted SOB but I see it as him forcing the do nothing congress we've had for the last 8+ yrs to finally get off their asses, put partisan politics aside and do what is right for this country and those affected by this. We need an immigration policy that will allow people to come legally and in order to do that we need a reasonable number per yr allowed in with a system that can handle that number so that it doesn't take years to process them. Congress has been kicking this can down the road for way too long and it can't continue. We need to hold our representatives feet to the fire and demand they come up with a solution that is fair and reasonable for current and future immigrants but still protects American citizens. I agree with the bolded part. I just wish there was some sort of compromise to protect the people who are already living here.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 5, 2017 23:29:20 GMT
But why should those who came illegally get precedence over those who are playing by the rules? Where else do we reward improper conduct at the expense of those who follow the rules?
It the repeated amnesties and attempts to allow those who came illegally to stay that encourages the never-ending influx of illegals. Because what do they have to lose? Then again, what do they have to gain by doing things the right way? We have created a situation where the law-breaker wins hand-down, over and over again, as compared to the law abider.
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Post by Merge on Sept 5, 2017 23:32:50 GMT
But why should those who came illegally get precedence over those who are playing by the rules? Where else do we reward improper conduct at the expense of those who follow the rules? It the repeated amnesties and attempts to allow those who came illegally to stay that encourages the never-ending influx of illegals. Because what do they have to lose? Then again, what do they have to gain by doing things the right way? We have created a situation where the law-breaker wins hand-down, over and over again, as compared to the law abider. When we recognize that this is a mess of our own making, and it's up to us as a country to fix it without causing further harm.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 5, 2017 23:37:22 GMT
Further harm to who? The lawbreaker? Why shouldn't the lawbreaker bear the burden of his actions?
And how are we fixing anything while we continue to give incentive for people to come here illegally in the form of future rights to stay.
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Post by Merge on Sept 5, 2017 23:44:56 GMT
Further harm to who? The lawbreaker? Why shouldn't the lawbreaker bear the burden of his actions? And how are we fixing anything while we continue to give incentive for people to come here illegally in the form of future rights to stay. Further harm to the innocent young person, as has been said to you many times already. For what other offense do we punish the children for what their parents did? None. DACA doesn't apply to anyone who arrived after 2007, so I don't know what you're talking about with the future rights thing. While we're at it, I'd like to know if you personally plan to pay back the billions the state of Texas will lose when you start the mass deportations. A lot of American citizens will be hurt by that as well.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 5, 2017 23:47:04 GMT
I'm talking about our current policies of granting amnesty or some type of deferral of action to people who come to this country in violation of our laws.
As for the children of these people, no it's not their fault. But that shouldn't necessarily translate into a right to stay.
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