tduby1
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Post by tduby1 on Sept 6, 2017 10:39:31 GMT
I may be confusing this thread with the other one on this topic. Several posters were talking about a need to overhaul the immigration system. Either way, I think you know that but if you didn't, there's the answer to your question. So, since you are now clear as to what *this* thread is actually about (although I believe this thread has been very clear as to what it's about, and until now, you've seemed very clear- posting how pleased you were that trump reversed DACA as it was an EO- but now that we *know* you are clear- do you believe it is MORALLY right to reverse DACA as you seems to imply earlier.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 11:16:14 GMT
To word vomit this out again:
I grew up in New York. The real New York not the city. Everything about trump was suspect. I can not fathom how ANY New Yorker over 40, voted for this clown. Well except for my stupid ass red neck relatives. Who all take some sort of public assistance.
Trump is about his own agenda. Always has been. Always will be.
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Post by elaine on Sept 6, 2017 11:25:43 GMT
Then put me on ignore. Because being an asshole yourself doesn't make your point of being sick of anything I've said in my scant 30 days here. Feisty for a scant 30 days, aintcha? 30 days, give or take 14 years. Her views on immigration don't appear to have changed much over the years.
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Post by pyccku on Sept 6, 2017 12:01:20 GMT
To word vomit this out again: I grew up in New York. The real New York not the city. Everything about trump was suspect. I can not fathom how ANY New Yorker over 40, voted for this clown. Well except for my stupid ass red neck relatives. Who all take some sort of public assistance. Trump is about his own agenda. Always has been. Always will be. The people who buy the snake oil always believe that the snake oil salesman has their best interest at heart. They find it exceedingly hard to ever admit that a) the snake oil doesn't work and b) they fell for the words of a fast-talking snake oil salesman in the first place.
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lindas
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Post by lindas on Sept 6, 2017 13:40:02 GMT
I'm pretty sure it was Obama that repeatedly told people that if you like your doctor you can keep your droctor. And I'm pretty sure that It was the insurance companies who changed all that. No, actually it was the ACA rules that changed that and if Obama wasn't fully aware of what was in the bill when he signed it then his advisors should have been. The WaPo gave him 4 Pinocchios for that statement. link
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 6, 2017 13:46:36 GMT
And I'm pretty sure that It was the insurance companies who changed all that. No, actually it was the ACA rules that changed that and if Obama wasn't fully aware of what was in the bill when he signed it then his advisors should have been. The WaPo gave him 4 Pinocchios for that statement. linkCan you give more jnfo? Typically, the insurance companies decide which providers they will approve and which they won't. Or the providers decide that they won't take a certain insurance due to the rates. I'm not sure how the terms of ACA itself would have affected what provider a person can use.
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Post by cade387 on Sept 6, 2017 13:55:08 GMT
And I'm pretty sure that It was the insurance companies who changed all that. No, actually it was the ACA rules that changed that and if Obama wasn't fully aware of what was in the bill when he signed it then his advisors should have been. The WaPo gave him 4 Pinocchios for that statement. linkWere you equally upset when the republicans said the exact same thing this year about the replacement bill?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 6, 2017 14:23:01 GMT
And I'm pretty sure that It was the insurance companies who changed all that. No, actually it was the ACA rules that changed that and if Obama wasn't fully aware of what was in the bill when he signed it then his advisors should have been. The WaPo gave him 4 Pinocchios for that statement. linkYep--I'm sticking with my same response--your linked article confirms it-- “And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future.” — Obama, remarks in Portland, April 1, 2010, after the health-care law was signed into law. “FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.”While it was naive/bold to make that claim--and nothing in the ACA ordered insurance companies to stay as they were, the INSURANCE COMPANIES STILL ARE THE ONES WHO CHANGED ALL THE PLANS. Why? $$$$$$$ The insurance companies screwed people over for the almighty dollar.
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lindas
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Post by lindas on Sept 6, 2017 15:08:02 GMT
No, actually it was the ACA rules that changed that and if Obama wasn't fully aware of what was in the bill when he signed it then his advisors should have been. The WaPo gave him 4 Pinocchios for that statement. linkYep--I'm sticking with my same response--your linked article confirms it-- “And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future.” — Obama, remarks in Portland, April 1, 2010, after the health-care law was signed into law. “FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.”While it was naive/bold to make that claim--and nothing in the ACA ordered insurance companies to stay as they were, the INSURANCE COMPANIES STILL ARE THE ONES WHO CHANGED ALL THE PLANS. Why? $$$$$$$ The insurance companies screwed people over for the almighty dollar. The insurance companies changed their plans in order to comply with the ACA rules. Not understanding that is naive.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 15:22:07 GMT
And I'm pretty sure that It was the insurance companies who changed all that. No, actually it was the ACA rules that changed that and if Obama wasn't fully aware of what was in the bill when he signed it then his advisors should have been. The WaPo gave him 4 Pinocchios for that statement. linkWhat the ACA did was set up minimum benefits that all plans must carry. But it also "grandfathered in" existing plans for a period of time but only if the insurance companies didn't make any changes to the terms of the existing plan. A term can be something as simple as changing a deductible. If the terms were changed the existing plan became invalid and the new plans would have to include the minimum benefits. And that is why you had all those cancellations of the old plans. The ACA , whether it intended to our not, gave the insurance companies a way to dump the old plans and force people on to the more expensive plans. And they took it with open arms. The Obama Administration was caught by surprised by all the cancellations and yes it became a publicity nightmare for them. And that is why they pushed back the requirement for having insurance for two years for those who's insurance was cancelled. As to keeping the same doctor again there is nothing in the ACA to require insurance companies to keep the same network grid in their plans. In fact Insurance companies had already started to narrow the network grid prior to the ACA because they found they could cut costs by doing so. If the Republicans hadn't been so hell bent on repealing the ACA with vague promises of a replacement all those years these and other problems in the ACA could have been addressed. And yes this is on the Republicans because they had the majority in the House and Mitch I never saw a filibuster I didn't like McConnell was gumming up things in the Senate.
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Post by Nink on Sept 6, 2017 15:25:21 GMT
I'll find a link in a minute. The CNN news person is reading President Obama's statement. She finished and said "wow" and her voice trailed off.... wow indeed. edited with the text. The photo is from a few years ago but the statement is today's. Obama's statement"This is too long, articulate and well thought out for the majority of American voters. Needs more exclamation points, capitalized words, and about 140 characters."
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 6, 2017 15:25:59 GMT
Yep--I'm sticking with my same response--your linked article confirms it-- “And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future.” — Obama, remarks in Portland, April 1, 2010, after the health-care law was signed into law. “FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.”While it was naive/bold to make that claim--and nothing in the ACA ordered insurance companies to stay as they were, the INSURANCE COMPANIES STILL ARE THE ONES WHO CHANGED ALL THE PLANS. Why? $$$$$$$ The insurance companies screwed people over for the almighty dollar. The insurance companies changed their plans in order to comply with the ACA rules. Not understanding that is naive. I think you are being naive about how insurance companies work. They have been changing their plans for years, which is why ACA was needed in the first place. As we speak, there have been recent changes in the reimbursement rates for mental health services (possibly other services as well but I only know first hand about the changes in mental health cereals) of many insurance companies, including BCBS. Changes that will put many providers out of business. Do you think that is due to the Greed of insurance companies? Or is it due to Trump wanting ACA to fail, and using this as a tool to "show" that a change needs to be made?
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Post by Merge on Sept 6, 2017 15:27:49 GMT
I'll find a link in a minute. The CNN news person is reading President Obama's statement. She finished and said "wow" and her voice trailed off.... wow indeed. edited with the text. The photo is from a few years ago but the statement is today's. Obama's statementThis is too long, articulate and well thought out for the majority of American voters. Needs more exclamation points, capitalized words, and about 140 characters. Nah, the majority are just fine with Obama's statement. Only the electoral college needs more exclamation points and a 140 character limit.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 6, 2017 15:28:01 GMT
Yep--I'm sticking with my same response--your linked article confirms it-- “And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future.” — Obama, remarks in Portland, April 1, 2010, after the health-care law was signed into law. “FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.”While it was naive/bold to make that claim--and nothing in the ACA ordered insurance companies to stay as they were, the INSURANCE COMPANIES STILL ARE THE ONES WHO CHANGED ALL THE PLANS. Why? $$$$$$$ The insurance companies screwed people over for the almighty dollar. The insurance companies changed their plans in order to comply with the ACA rules. Not understanding that is naive. And insurance companies did not have to change people's choices of doctors like they did in order to comply. They knew what was coming and what the ACA was all about, including the statement of "you can keep your doctor/plan". The law doesn’t force Americans to pick new plans or new doctors, however There is no guarantee that your employer won’t switch plans, just as companies could have done before the law. And if you switch jobs, your new work-based coverage might not have your doctor as an in-network provider, either. And insurance companies can change their plans at will.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 15:28:07 GMT
I'll find a link in a minute. The CNN news person is reading President Obama's statement. She finished and said "wow" and her voice trailed off.... wow indeed. edited with the text. The photo is from a few years ago but the statement is today's. Obama's statementThis is too long, articulate and well thought out for the majority of American voters. Needs more exclamation points, capitalized words, and about 140 characters.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 6, 2017 15:58:27 GMT
Why is a federal minimum wage acceptable, but not a higher minimum as determined by states and smaller localities? I thought we were all about states' rights? Personally, I'd prefer that minimum wage be determined by each state or county. But we all know that's not happening. The whole concept of state's rights has been flushed down the toilet, Article 10 of the Bill of Rights be damned. And so what IS wrong with an admittedly very low federal minimum wage, along with locally-adjusted minimum wages set by states and cities as needed? I just don't understand this attitude from conservatives, who traditionally champion states' rights, except when states' rights might step on the toes of big business. Not talking about your response, but @jenny2's original statement that minimum wage should only be set by the Feds, despite the fact that living costs vary so wildly across the country. And don't even get me started on Republican state governments that want to limit their own cities' rights to set higher local minimums, as voted on by the very residents who would be affected.
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Post by redhead32 on Sept 6, 2017 16:52:48 GMT
To word vomit this out again: I grew up in New York. The real New York not the city. Everything about trump was suspect. I can not fathom how ANY New Yorker over 40, voted for this clown. Well except for my stupid ass red neck relatives. Who all take some sort of public assistance. Trump is about his own agenda. Always has been. Always will be. My husband grew up on Long Island. I cannot tell you how many times, in how many ways, he has said this exact thing to anyone who will listen.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 6, 2017 16:56:06 GMT
Personally, I'd prefer that minimum wage be determined by each state or county. But we all know that's not happening. The whole concept of state's rights has been flushed down the toilet, Article 10 of the Bill of Rights be damned. And so what IS wrong with an admittedly very low federal minimum wage, along with locally-adjusted minimum wages set by states and cities as needed? I just don't understand this attitude from conservatives, who traditionally champion states' rights, except when states' rights might step on the toes of big business. Not talking about your response, but @jenny2 's original statement that minimum wage should only be set by the Feds, despite the fact that living costs vary so wildly across the country. And don't even get me started on Republican state governments that want to limit their own cities' rights to set higher local minimums, as voted on by the very residents who would be affected. I don't have any problem at all with what you suggest. If a locality votes for a higher minimum wage and the residents of that locality are unhappy, they vote the incumbents out. That's how it should be.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 6, 2017 16:58:49 GMT
I think everyone needs to accept the fact that the likelihood of the electoral college being done away with is....nil. At least during our lifetimes. There is simply no way either party will be able to get the requisite votes in Congress plus the consent of 3/4 of the states. It's just not happening.
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